[Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
MZMcBride, I agree with you, but let me split out one thing: On 20 August 2014 04:09, MZMcBride wrote: the one complaint I _never_ hear is that Wikipedia has a readership problem. Then you'll hear it from me. First, let's make one thing clear: the reader doesn't exist; it's just a rhetorical

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread Strainu
2014-08-21 9:30 GMT+03:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com: It would *seem* that every user converted to the mobile site is a step towards extinction of the wiki. That is an excellent point Frederico. In addition to the inherent difficulties of editing on small screen, especially large

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 21 August 2014 10:31, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: the mobile website arbitrarily skips some elements visible on desktop, such as navboxes I've noticed this; and other deficiencies (such as no did you know on main page, not even as a link to a subpage). and significantly alter some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread Risker
On 21 August 2014 05:31, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-08-21 9:30 GMT+03:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com: It would *seem* that every user converted to the mobile site is a step towards extinction of the wiki. That is an excellent point Frederico. In addition to the

[Wikimedia-l] Specifying office action in edit summary?

2014-08-21 Thread svetlana
Hi all. I understand the Engineering folks used superprotect instead of /undoing/ the edit and adding 'This is a WMF action.' in edit summary. Could I please be enlightened on the reasoning behind that? I suppose people could go and try editing other JS pages and cause havoc, but that's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread Neil Babbage
Editing via the mobile view is made more painful by the use of navboxes, tables and complex templates of any kind. Even the {{cite}} template can occupy several lines of the display on a mobile device making it hard to discern the text. Maybe Wikidata will solve some of this by shifting the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 21.08.2014 14:26, Risker wrote: On 21 August 2014 05:31, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: ... I went to look at some of those same articles using my smartphone with the desktop option turned on. Many of them timed out without fully loading; others took several minutes. There was a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread Risker
On 21 August 2014 09:18, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 21.08.2014 14:26, Risker wrote: On 21 August 2014 05:31, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: ... I went to look at some of those same articles using my smartphone with the desktop option turned on. Many of them

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 August 2014 05:31, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-08-21 9:30 GMT+03:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com: It would *seem* that every user converted to the mobile site is a step towards extinction of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 21.08.2014 15:24, Risker wrote: On 21 August 2014 09:18, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 21.08.2014 14:26, Risker wrote: On 21 August 2014 05:31, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: ... Many of these templates have over 100 links in them; a surprisingly large number

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Compare person data

2014-08-21 Thread WereSpielChequers
re the birth anomalies, we have been running a process for several years now that looks for people alive according to certain wikipedias and dead according to up to 80 others. The format works well and has been broadened to various other anomalies such as being dead but not born.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread Peter Southwood
I find navboxes useful as an editor, and frequently use them to keep track of the related articles I edit. I would prefer to keep the functionality, but would not have a problem with it being opt-in. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] New movement org?

2014-08-21 Thread Richard Symonds
Hi all, I note that a new Wikimedia organisation has been setup in Michigan, called the Wikipedia Editors Foundation Inc, as of about a week or two ago. It seems (by the filings) to be a nice nonprofit org set up by sensible people who care about the movement. That said - is this a new chapter,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread Isarra Yos
On 21/08/14 13:24, Risker wrote: On 21 August 2014 09:18, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: For me the conclusion would be not that we should drop them altogether in the mobile version (most of them are useful navigation means after all) but that the mobile version should be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New movement org?

2014-08-21 Thread Nathan
Hi Richard, any links to where you found this information? On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Hi all, I note that a new Wikimedia organisation has been setup in Michigan, called the Wikipedia Editors Foundation Inc, as of about a week

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New movement org?

2014-08-21 Thread Gregory Varnum
I would also like that information. I can confirm that the Affiliations Committee does not have an active (or past) application from them for affiliation. I am checking if anyone on the AffCom heard about it from other channels. -greg aka varnent Vice Chair, Wikimedia Affiliations Committee On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New movement org?

2014-08-21 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 12:21 PM, James Forrester jdforres...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 August 2014 09:13, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Richard, any links to where you found this information? ​The ever-excellent OpenCorporates has its entry:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New movement org?

2014-08-21 Thread Risker
On 21 August 2014 12:21, James Forrester jdforres...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 August 2014 09:13, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Richard, any links to where you found this information? ​The ever-excellent OpenCorporates has its entry: https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_mi/71656Y

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New movement org?

2014-08-21 Thread Richard Symonds
Thanks all! I have passed this over to WMF legal to deal with as it's a trademark issue. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New movement org?

2014-08-21 Thread Gregory Varnum
Thank you Richard for bringing this to everyone's attention. So folks know, WMF Legal and the Affiliations Committee are investigating and will be reaching out to the group soon. Thanks! -greg aka varnent Wikimedia Affiliations Committee Vice Chair On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Richard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 21 August 2014 17:08, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: Man, I forgot how over the top some projects get with their navigation templates. Perhaps the answer is to refactor them as separate pages to which mobile (and even desktop) pages can use a single link? -- Andy Mabbett

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread Steven Walling
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Or, have them filled from Wikidata. Then, {{Infobox}} would be all the wikitext you need. This could also help to abstract infoboxes to load a placeholder/hint on mobile, then loading the box on request

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 21.08.2014 21:17, Steven Walling wrote: On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Or, have them filled from Wikidata. Then, {{Infobox}} would be all the wikitext you need. This could also help to abstract infoboxes to load a placeholder/hint on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread Michael Peel
On 21 Aug 2014, at 13:03, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 21 August 2014 10:31, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: the mobile website arbitrarily skips some elements visible on desktop, such as navboxes I've noticed this; and other deficiencies (such as no did you know

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
I was talking about navboxes, not infoboxes. On 21 August 2014 19:04, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Or, have them filled from Wikidata. Then, {{Infobox}} would be all the wikitext you need. This could also help to abstract infoboxes to load a placeholder/hint on mobile, then

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread Strainu
2014-08-21 15:03 GMT+03:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: On 21 August 2014 10:31, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: and significantly alter some infoboxes because it doesn't look good. I'd not noticed this; can you give examples, please? It seems this is not the case at en.wp, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread Maryana Pinchuk
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:29 AM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: *But*, that only works on the normal website. On the mobile website, I cant figure out how to disable the Media Viewer. To check I wasnt missing something, I asked someone at the Wikimedia Indonesia office

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-21 Thread svetlana
On Mon, 11 Aug 2014, at 12:12, MZMcBride wrote: Hi. The German Wikipedia has evaluated and decided against the default use of MediaViewer on its project (preferring opt-in, rather than opt-out). Erik has made it his mission to impose MediaViewer on the German Wikipedia using Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-21 Thread svetlana
BTW you should all love this idea: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Engagement_%28Product%29/Process_ideas#Get_local_consencus_for_your_changes svetlana ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-21 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:32 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I am curious to hear your thoughts about the proposed Technology Committee. That idea has some community support and had been discussed at some length on the WMF Board Noticeboard. I think it has merits if it's mostly used as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-21 Thread rupert THURNER
Am 22.08.2014 04:18 schrieb Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org: On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:32 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I am curious to hear your thoughts about the proposed Technology Committee. That idea has some community support and had been discussed at some length on the WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-21 Thread
The page is already overly long and in places impenetrable, and I speak as a systems analyst with Agile development experience. A shift to plain English might be useful and more care to avoid dropping in fringe jargon like Wiki markup is not Turing complete. On 22 Aug 2014 01:39, svetlana