Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-07-11 Thread Leinonen Teemu
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen > wrote: > >> We just won a major victory in our battle to keep the internet free [...] Our >> established positions are >> against corporate interests. > > When the Guardian reported[1] on the recent European copyright campaign, as > supported

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-07-11 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 6:37 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > We just won a major victory in our battle to keep the internet free [...] Our > established positions are > against corporate interests. When the Guardian reported[1] on the recent European copyright campaign, as supported by Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-07-07 Thread Mario Gómez
Please, don't: On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 10:11 PM, James Salsman wrote: > I propose that the Executive Director ask donors to > support other organizations which are working for free college,[1-4] > single payer universal health care,[5] shorter work weeks,[6-7] > payroll subsidies,[8] and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-07-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hell NO! We are not neutral and it will be a particular sad situation when we forget what we are there for, what our objectives are only to "avoid compromising the appearance of the projects and the movement as neutral providers of information; to avoid bad publicity; to avoid antagonizing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-07-06 Thread Benjamin Lees
On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 3:33 PM, James Salsman wrote: > Are there any specific reasons that the Foundation should remain > neutral on any topic, economic, political, or otherwise, which clearly > impacts the readership or community? Well, off the top of my head: to avoid compromising the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-07-06 Thread Dennis During
On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 3:33 PM, James Salsman wrote: > Lodewijk, > > I want to ask about something you wrote: > > >... Not taking a position is definitely not the same as > > taking a 'neutral' position or holding the middle ground. > > Suppose for the sake of argument that there are two

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-07-06 Thread James Salsman
Lodewijk, I want to ask about something you wrote: >... Not taking a position is definitely not the same as > taking a 'neutral' position or holding the middle ground. Suppose for the sake of argument that there are two competing popular opinions, one of which is more true than another. If the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-06-18 Thread James Salsman
> I think the general attitude is clear: not interested. I've spoken with perhaps fifty wikimedians over the past couple years, and I simply do not believe that more than 20% could wish such ill will on their peers. I am hardly the only one to speak up for community attraction and retention

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-06-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Are you seriously asking what African, Indian or Chinese Wikipedian ... does not want Americans or British to have what they do not have either? What makes them so special that they deserve this! English Wikipedia is only 50% of our traffic. The attention it is given is excessive. Thanks,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-06-18 Thread Lodewijk
Dear James, this is a returning topic, it seems (Wikimedia should take political stands on XYZ economic policies). And somehow it's always initiated by you. I think the general attitude is clear: not interested. I join the chorus: Wikimedia should remain nonpartisan, and not take any position

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-06-18 Thread James Salsman
On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Dennis During wrote: > Yes. I think I am. I wouldn't have thought that WMF would be so driven by > economics. Have you looked at the ED's CV? > I would bail from this project and find another that was less partisan If the ED told donors to take steps that might

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-06-16 Thread Dennis During
Yes. I think I am. I wouldn't have thought that WMF would be so driven by economics. I would bail from this project and find another that was less partisan, though fewer and fewer institutions seem nonpartisan to me. I expect that the WMF projects would be more to your liking without people of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-06-16 Thread James Salsman
Dennis, Are you suggesting that public policy to support wikimedians outside of copyright and internet law would be outside of the basic remit as specified by the Mission? We should measure how much donors are likely to donate more or less for each of the issues. I would also like to know the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-06-15 Thread Peter Southwood
Would this be for US only or worldwide? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of James Salsman Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 10:11 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-06-15 Thread Dennis During
I'd reconsider contributing content to WMF projects if WMF became a partisan on issues outside its basic remit. On Jun 15, 2018 16:11, "James Salsman" wrote: Regarding https://twitter.com/SuePGardner/status/998302792946102273 I propose that the Executive Director resume regular periodic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-06-15 Thread James Salsman
Thanks. I'd also like to temporarily relinquish work on https://goo.gl/forms/BZVgFgFs8P5pCNUW2 to the Foundation. -Best regards, Jim On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Joseph Seddon wrote: > Hi James. > > Your suggestion is noted but there are lot's of things that we want to do > with email but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-06-15 Thread Chris Keating
Very diplomatic, Seddon! But... no. Seriously. Let's not pretend that having the WMF ED send a bunch of emails to Wikimedia donors about general US public policy issues is a remotely good idea. Chris On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:46 PM, Joseph Seddon wrote: > Hi James. > > Your suggestion is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-06-15 Thread Joseph Seddon
Hi James. Your suggestion is noted but there are lot's of things that we want to do with email but only a finite amount of resources in this area with which to achieve it so it'll be something for to thinking about in the future. Many Thanks Seddon On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:11 PM James

[Wikimedia-l] Executive Director's Letter to Donors

2018-06-15 Thread James Salsman
Regarding https://twitter.com/SuePGardner/status/998302792946102273 I propose that the Executive Director resume regular periodic correspondence with donors on other ways they can support the movement, beyond copyright and internet law advocacy that the Foundation traditionally supports directly