Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

[Asaf Bartov]

Hi, Krishna.

First of all, this isn't "defamation", which is a precise legal term, that
is best not bandied about too lightly.

Secondly, Wikipedia is mentioned often in popular media these days, not
always in a very factual manner.  It is hard to imagine such casual
mentions have any significant impact on the Wikipedia brand.  It is
precisely Wikipedia's ubiquity in Internet-connected people's lives that
makes it possible to refer to it in such ways.

Thirdly, legal action is always expensive and sometimes risky.  It follows
that we need a very good reason to undertake the expense and (sometimes)
risk.  This does not look like an important thing to spend our resources on.

Cheers,

Asaf

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 7:05 PM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga <
kcvel...@wikimedia.in> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh,
> India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively
> contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons since December 2014. I also form
> the Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter (India). My mother tongue is
> Telugu (te).
>
> A Telugu movie titled Paisa Vasool
>  was released on 1
> September 2017. In the movie, male lead boasts himself by referring to
> Wikipedia. His statement in the movie is as follows: *"36 brawls, 24
> murders, 36 stabbings, This is visible record in Wikipedia" *(The same may
> be observed from the trailer of the movie, between 0:22 to 0:32 at
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVUZ-jG_i3c). As far I am concerned I feel
> this as serious defamation of the brand, the community and the work we do.
> It really degrades the reality and the efforts we put to produce
> encyclopedic content to the readers.
>
> In this context, I request the community to take interest in their to voice
> their opinions, and also discuss any legal action to be enforced.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> [image: photo]
> *Krishna Chaitanya Velaga*
> Member | Executive Committee
> 
> Wikimedia Chapter (India) 
> +91 94948 65420 <+91%2094948%2065420> | kcvelaga.blogspot.in
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women through the glass ceiling: gender asymmetries in Wikipedia

[James Salsman]

For example, whether or not a notable town in in the global south, for
instance, has an article is unlikely to affect the quality of life of
its residents as much as whether infrastructure businesses in that
town have access to credit. If global finance policy makers believe
the typical positions of English Wikipedia economics articles, instead
of the WP:MEDRS grade sources on the topic which are not well
represented in Wikipedia, such as http://talknicer.com/ehip.pdf or
http://talknicer.com/egma.pdf for example, that can do real harm to
the likelihood that the global financial system will as readily extend
inexpensive credit to the developing world.

As we get more and more information about the causation from Wikipedia
to real world decisions, I hope that there is some concerted effort to
address this specific issue.



On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Jean-Philippe Béland
 wrote:
> "As biases go, omitting notable subjects in the global south doesn't
> have the deleterious real-world consequences that reenforcing
> erroneous economic hegemony does."
>
> How so? I don't want to go into politics topics, but with what we see
> recently we clearly see the danger of thinking "less" of those cultures of
> people...
>
> JP
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 3:31 PM, James Salsman  wrote:
>
>> Jean-Philippe, yes, absolutely:
>>
>> http://blogs.oii.ox.ac.uk/policy/how-well-represented-
>> is-the-mena-region-in-wikipedia/
>>
>> As biases go, omitting notable subjects in the global south doesn't
>> have the deleterious real-world consequences that reenforcing
>> erroneous economic hegemony does.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:30 PM, Jean-Philippe Béland
>>  wrote:
>> > Good day,
>> >
>> > This is not related to gender bias, but an observation I made from
>> reading
>> > this paper. Table 1 shows the different percentage of overlap between
>> > different languistic versions of Wikipedia with the English Wikipedia. Do
>> > anybody know if there are studies or reports focussed on that?
>> >
>> > For example, I notice that the Wikipedia with the less overlap from the
>> > above-mentioned table is the Arabic Wikipedia. To me, it seems to
>> indicate
>> > another sort of bias on the English Wikipedia and other "Western"
>> language
>> > Wikipedias in not necessarily including biographies from those parts of
>> the
>> > world. Or maybe there is another "glass ceiling" not based on gender,
>> > meaning that somebody from the Middle East for instance needs to be more
>> > notable in average to be included on the English Wikipedia comparatively
>> of
>> > somebody in North America or Europe. Do we have any analysis of that? Is
>> > that a question that is brought up in reflexions about bias?
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> >
>> > JP
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 3:55 PM, James Heilman  wrote:
>> >
>> >> The article was discussing the proportion of articles about specific
>> >> gender and possible reasons why this situation exists. What I
>> >> mentioned was simply one among many potential explanation.
>> >>
>> >> James
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Eduardo Testart 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hi again,
>> >> >
>> >> > I think the article is not related to paid editing, if you wish to
>> >> discuss
>> >> > that subject, you should probably open another thread.
>> >> >
>> >> > It would be nice if the discussion and comments can be kept on topic
>> :)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > El sept. 22, 2017 3:49 PM, "James Heilman" 
>> escribió:
>> >> >
>> >> > How do we know? Those who work extensively in this topic area and are
>> >> > good at picking up paid editing make an educated guess. There are well
>> >> > known patterns that represent paid editing. We could likely build a
>> >> > tool that could look at all BLPs and give a numerical value to the
>> >> > percentage that are most likely written for pay. If you look at a
>> >> > random group of new BLPs at WP:NPP you will also get a decent idea.
>> >> >
>> >> > James
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Andy Mabbett
>> >> >  wrote:
>> >> >> On 22 September 2017 at 18:24, James Heilman 
>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> We know that a sizable proportion of articles
>> >> >>> about people are paid for by the individual themselves or their
>> >> >>> representative.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We do? How? And what size is that "sizable proportion"?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Andy Mabbett
>> >> >> @pigsonthewing
>> >> >> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>> >> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

[Shlomi Fish]

Hi,

On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 21:15:36 +0530
Krishna Chaitanya Velaga  wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh,
> India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively
> contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons since December 2014. I also form
> the Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter (India). My mother tongue is
> Telugu (te).
> 
> A Telugu movie titled Paisa Vasool
>  was released on 1
> September 2017. In the movie, male lead boasts himself by referring to
> Wikipedia. His statement in the movie is as follows: *"36 brawls, 24
> murders, 36 stabbings, This is visible record in Wikipedia" *(The same may
> be observed from the trailer of the movie, between 0:22 to 0:32 at
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVUZ-jG_i3c). As far I am concerned I feel
> this as serious defamation of the brand, the community and the work we do.
> It really degrades the reality and the efforts we put to produce
> encyclopedic content to the readers.
> 
> In this context, I request the community to take interest in their to voice
> their opinions, and also discuss any legal action to be enforced.
> 

I don't see what the big deal is. Since this is a work of fiction, it may
misrepresent facts and reality and its users are expected to know better than
to depend of it as a source.

If we try to censor this film, then it will be an act of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship which i and other free content
advocates dislike. If instead we sue for damages, then we will come out as
bullies. Also see
https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/there-is-no-such-thing-as-bad-publicity.html
and http://www.veronikanoize.com/is_all_publicity_good_ . Don't worry - be
happy.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

[Isaac Olatunde]

I must agree with Asaf here. Fwiw, this isn't a defamatory and I think
legal action should be restricted to serious issues.

Regards,

Isaac.

On Sep 26, 2017 7:09 PM, "Asaf Bartov"  wrote:

> Hi, Krishna.
>
> First of all, this isn't "defamation", which is a precise legal term, that
> is best not bandied about too lightly.
>
> Secondly, Wikipedia is mentioned often in popular media these days, not
> always in a very factual manner.  It is hard to imagine such casual
> mentions have any significant impact on the Wikipedia brand.  It is
> precisely Wikipedia's ubiquity in Internet-connected people's lives that
> makes it possible to refer to it in such ways.
>
> Thirdly, legal action is always expensive and sometimes risky.  It follows
> that we need a very good reason to undertake the expense and (sometimes)
> risk.  This does not look like an important thing to spend our resources
> on.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Asaf
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 7:05 PM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga <
> kcvel...@wikimedia.in> wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh,
> > India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively
> > contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons since December 2014. I also form
> > the Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter (India). My mother tongue is
> > Telugu (te).
> >
> > A Telugu movie titled Paisa Vasool
> >  was released
> on 1
> > September 2017. In the movie, male lead boasts himself by referring to
> > Wikipedia. His statement in the movie is as follows: *"36 brawls, 24
> > murders, 36 stabbings, This is visible record in Wikipedia" *(The same
> may
> > be observed from the trailer of the movie, between 0:22 to 0:32 at
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVUZ-jG_i3c). As far I am concerned I
> feel
> > this as serious defamation of the brand, the community and the work we
> do.
> > It really degrades the reality and the efforts we put to produce
> > encyclopedic content to the readers.
> >
> > In this context, I request the community to take interest in their to
> voice
> > their opinions, and also discuss any legal action to be enforced.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > [image: photo]
> > *Krishna Chaitanya Velaga*
> > Member | Executive Committee
> > 
> > Wikimedia Chapter (India) 
> > +91 94948 65420 <+91%2094948%2065420> | kcvelaga.blogspot.in
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

[Gergő Tisza]

It looks like the publisher created a hoax/in-universe article about the
main character of the movie, which is what the trailer is referring to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete=Theda+Singh=20170820143048

Not cool but still not a defamation.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

[Gnangarra]

I wonder why a BLP policy wont work on Wikidata, as WD is individual facts
that require a source as well, it may not be the same wording as en but the
key principles are the same... No project should be scared of policy that
stipulates accuracy and sourcing for living people

On 17 September 2017 at 16:13, Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> There is a lot to do about the current absence of a BLP policy at Wikidata.
> Many people, particularly those involved in Wikipedia, insist on one and a
> policy that is a mirror image of their policy.
>
> I am opposed to such an approach because it will be detrimental to the best
> practices in Wikidata and it will stifle the inclusion of data.
> Nevertheless there is a need for better quality particularly where it
> concerns BLP.
>
> Only being against is a bad position so I have laid out the arguments for a
> more inclusive BLP and quality approach [1]. It does bring many of the
> relevant questions together.
>
> What this approach accomplishes is:
> * better quality in both Wikipedia and Wikidata
> * an opt in change in the Wikipedia environment that links blue and red
> links to Wikidata items
> * it allows for the Wikidata best practices
> * it invites any Wikimedia collaborator to make a positive difference for
> our overall BLP.
>
> What it does not provide is an instant BLP solution for Wikidata, this is
> not realistic given the huge number of items involved, people often
> specific to one or no Wikipedia. It will not convince everyone and that too
> is to be expected. After all the proof of the pudding is in the eating and
> not so much in the endless bickering.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> [1]
> https://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2017/09/wikimedia-
> and-its-blp-approach.html
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

[Alessandro Marchetti]

Personally, I think that if person has an ID on some databases, than it can 
stay on wikidata. Once in a while some database can be removed if issues are 
pointed out about their accuracy, but if a database is sound and professional, 
we should use it to fix an item. it could be the same for a databases of sites, 
buildings or museum items too. Creating a wikipedia-style averaged policy on 
the issue is much more vague. Especially when local pages do not exist, the IDs 
is the key parameter to start, IMHO.
It is ok if a wikipedia has only a fraction of relevant "photographers" or 
"painters" or "athletes"... but a database should be complete and objective, it 
cannot rely on the funnel of what some wikipedia accepts and other don't, it 
would make it more biased and unbalanced importing a local bias. What's the 
point for example if I find an archive of Dutch photographers with IDs to 
import only those that have a page on nlwiki (or maybe enwiki, dewiki, frwiki)? 
You import all the codes, some items will have wikipedia pages, some will not, 
what's the real issue on this aspect? Being standardized and coherent is more 
important for an archive.
About the quality of the items, this comes as a second step. Some of them will 
always be less cured, we can say that for a BLP a minimum requirement of 
properties is necessary for example. I can accept that an item with just one ID 
is removed if no additional information can be found. That is, a BLP item with 
a limited number of properties and no platform and just one ID can be proposed 
for deletion, although this should not be an automatism. But if you care about 
an item, you can improve it if it risks to be deleted. This is a functional 
issue, if an item does not tell me if you're a man or a woman, your age, your 
profession... well it is basically few things more than a ugly duplicate of a 
string in the url of the original database, so what's its utility? Some more 
complete output in some basic query here and there, maybe, but it should be 
possible to ask more. The point is that this should be considered in the 
framework of a database and its use, a more "functional" than "philosophical" 
perspective.
P.S. Not sure I have understood the blue and red link request, in some minor 
wiki red link can be linked to wikidata, but why the blue one?
 

Il Martedì 26 Settembre 2017 19:07, Gerard Meijssen 
 ha scritto:
 

 Hoi,
There is a lot to do about the current absence of a BLP policy at Wikidata.
Many people, particularly those involved in Wikipedia, insist on one and a
policy that is a mirror image of their policy.

I am opposed to such an approach because it will be detrimental to the best
practices in Wikidata and it will stifle the inclusion of data.
Nevertheless there is a need for better quality particularly where it
concerns BLP.

Only being against is a bad position so I have laid out the arguments for a
more inclusive BLP and quality approach [1]. It does bring many of the
relevant questions together.

What this approach accomplishes is:
* better quality in both Wikipedia and Wikidata
* an opt in change in the Wikipedia environment that links blue and red
links to Wikidata items
* it allows for the Wikidata best practices
* it invites any Wikimedia collaborator to make a positive difference for
our overall BLP.

What it does not provide is an instant BLP solution for Wikidata, this is
not realistic given the huge number of items involved, people often
specific to one or no Wikipedia. It will not convince everyone and that too
is to be expected. After all the proof of the pudding is in the eating and
not so much in the endless bickering.
Thanks,
      GerardM

[1]
https://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2017/09/wikimedia-and-its-blp-approach.html
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[Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
There is a lot to do about the current absence of a BLP policy at Wikidata.
Many people, particularly those involved in Wikipedia, insist on one and a
policy that is a mirror image of their policy.

I am opposed to such an approach because it will be detrimental to the best
practices in Wikidata and it will stifle the inclusion of data.
Nevertheless there is a need for better quality particularly where it
concerns BLP.

Only being against is a bad position so I have laid out the arguments for a
more inclusive BLP and quality approach [1]. It does bring many of the
relevant questions together.

What this approach accomplishes is:
* better quality in both Wikipedia and Wikidata
* an opt in change in the Wikipedia environment that links blue and red
links to Wikidata items
* it allows for the Wikidata best practices
* it invites any Wikimedia collaborator to make a positive difference for
our overall BLP.

What it does not provide is an instant BLP solution for Wikidata, this is
not realistic given the huge number of items involved, people often
specific to one or no Wikipedia. It will not convince everyone and that too
is to be expected. After all the proof of the pudding is in the eating and
not so much in the endless bickering.
Thanks,
  GerardM

[1]
https://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2017/09/wikimedia-and-its-blp-approach.html
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mailing lists (was Encyclopedic Writing Guide)

[Asaf Bartov]

Now {{fixed}}.

   A.

On Sep 26, 2017 18:18, "Michael Snow"  wrote:

> On 9/26/2017 7:57 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland wrote:
>
>> Alors nous induisons les lecteurs/trices en erreur avec des pages comme
>> celle-ci :
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists#Public
>> _mailing_lists
>>
>> JP
>>
> Oui, c'est bien possible qu'on a des informations dépassé.
>
> --Michel Neige
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

[FRED BAUDER]

We should sue Billy the Kid while we are at it. And Hitler... Imagine the 
bragging he does down in Hell.

Fred

- Original Message -
From: Krishna Chaitanya Velaga 
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 11:45:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion  Picture

Greetings,

Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh,
India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively
contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons since December 2014. I also form
the Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter (India). My mother tongue is
Telugu (te).

A Telugu movie titled Paisa Vasool
 was released on 1
September 2017. In the movie, male lead boasts himself by referring to
Wikipedia. His statement in the movie is as follows: *"36 brawls, 24
murders, 36 stabbings, This is visible record in Wikipedia" *(The same may
be observed from the trailer of the movie, between 0:22 to 0:32 at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVUZ-jG_i3c). As far I am concerned I feel
this as serious defamation of the brand, the community and the work we do.
It really degrades the reality and the efforts we put to produce
encyclopedic content to the readers.

In this context, I request the community to take interest in their to voice
their opinions, and also discuss any legal action to be enforced.


Regards,

[image: photo]
*Krishna Chaitanya Velaga*
Member | Executive Committee

Wikimedia Chapter (India) 
+91 94948 65420 | kcvelaga.blogspot.in
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Research Showcase Wednesday, September 20, 2017 at 11:30 AM (PST) 18:30 UTC

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
There is a responsibility by the people doing massive uploads of data that
is full of everything under the sun. Given the scale of these imports "so
fix it" is not appropriate.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 19 September 2017 at 07:14, Peter Southwood  wrote:

> So fix it,
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
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> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Research Showcase Wednesday, September 20, 2017
> at 11:30 AM (PST) 18:30 UTC
>
> Wow, first there was solid evidence that tourism is causally influenced by
> Wikipedia, and now science. The English Wikipedia's Economics article still
> says "Tax cuts [boost] aggregate demand."
> Isn't it time that potentially harmful biases in economics articles are
> tempered as carefully as those in medical articles?
>
> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:53 AM, Sarah R  wrote:
> >
> > The next Research Showcase will be live-streamed this Wednesday,
> > September 20, 2017 at 11:30 AM (PST) 18:30 UTC.
> >
> > YouTube stream:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR5JwqyVGSk
> >
> > As usual, you can join the conversation on IRC at #wikimedia-research.
> > And, you can watch our past research showcases here
> >  Showcase#September_2017>.
> >
> >...
> >
> > Science is Shaped by Wikipedia: Evidence from a Randomized Control
> > Trial By Neil C. Thompson and Douglas Hanley
> >
> > As the largest encyclopedia in the world, it is not surprising that
> > Wikipedia reflects the state of scientific knowledge. However,
> > Wikipedia is also one of the most accessed websites in the world,
> > including by scientists, which suggests that it also has the potential
> > to shape science. This paper shows that it does. Incorporating ideas
> > into a Wikipedia article leads to those ideas being used more in the
> > scientific literature. This paper documents this in two ways:
> > correlationally across thousands of articles in Wikipedia and causally
> > through a randomized experiment where we added new scientific content
> > to Wikipedia. We find that fully a third of the correlational
> > relationship is causal, implying that Wikipedia has a strong shaping
> > effect on science. Our findings speak not only to the influence of
> > Wikipedia, but more broadly to the influence of repositories of
> > scientific knowledge. The results suggest that increased provision of
> > information in accessible repositories is a very cost-effective way to
> > advance science. We also find that such gains are equity-improving,
> > disproportionately benefitting those without
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mailing lists (was Encyclopedic Writing Guide)

[Michael Snow]

On 9/26/2017 8:22 AM, Samuel Klein wrote:

in the same way that say, Wikiversity languishing while Wikidata flourishes
should tell us something about the optimum number of projects we can
support.


Did we figure out this is zero-sum? Because there are some peach projects
I'd like to replace Wikiquote & Wookiepedia with.
Perhaps I shouldn't have simplified it to "number" with the implication 
that there's some magic figure, whether that's 42 or 150 or 65536. But 
as with the mailing lists, sometimes it is hard to be sure that each 
project has the appropriate scope when the boundaries are fluid. How and 
where the community focuses its attention can be a powerful signal about 
whether the scope corresponds to a widely felt need.


--Michael Snow

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mailing lists (was Encyclopedic Writing Guide)

[Michael Snow]

On 9/26/2017 7:57 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland wrote:

Alors nous induisons les lecteurs/trices en erreur avec des pages comme
celle-ci :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists#Public_mailing_lists

JP

Oui, c'est bien possible qu'on a des informations dépassé.

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[Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

[Krishna Chaitanya Velaga]

Greetings,

Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh,
India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively
contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons since December 2014. I also form
the Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter (India). My mother tongue is
Telugu (te).

A Telugu movie titled Paisa Vasool
 was released on 1
September 2017. In the movie, male lead boasts himself by referring to
Wikipedia. His statement in the movie is as follows: *"36 brawls, 24
murders, 36 stabbings, This is visible record in Wikipedia" *(The same may
be observed from the trailer of the movie, between 0:22 to 0:32 at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVUZ-jG_i3c). As far I am concerned I feel
this as serious defamation of the brand, the community and the work we do.
It really degrades the reality and the efforts we put to produce
encyclopedic content to the readers.

In this context, I request the community to take interest in their to voice
their opinions, and also discuss any legal action to be enforced.


Regards,

[image: photo]
*Krishna Chaitanya Velaga*
Member | Executive Committee

Wikimedia Chapter (India) 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Encyclopedic Writing Guide

[Samuel Klein]

A crosspost to wp-l would be fine.
The guide is of wide interest, not only to wikipedians, but to anyone
assessing reliable sources, writing neutrally and concisely and for a
general audience.

W, SJ

On Sep 26, 2017 9:35 AM, "Jean-Philippe Béland" 
wrote:

So what is Wikipedia-l
 for? It is
describe "for issues specific to Wikipedia (and not sister projects such as
Wiktionary) but affecting editions of Wikipedia in more than one language".
Exactly what you are talking about "content about Wikipedia,
*particularly* when not specific to any one language"...

JP


On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> On Sep 25, 2017 18:57, "Jean-Philippe Béland" 
> wrote:
>
> This should have been posted to the Wikipedia mailing list since it
doesn't
> have anything to do with the other projects or the movement in general.
>
>
> Um, no. This list is a general list, and content about Wikipedia,
> *particularly* when not specific to any one language, is welcome here.
>
> There is no active Wikipedia-only alternative to this list that would
reach
> this international audience.
>
> A.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mailing lists (was Encyclopedic Writing Guide)

[Samuel Klein]

in the same way that say, Wikiversity languishing while Wikidata flourishes
should tell us something about the optimum number of projects we can
support.


Did we figure out this is zero-sum? Because there are some peach projects
I'd like to replace Wikiquote & Wookiepedia with.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Encyclopedic Writing Guide

[Jean-Philippe Béland]

So what is Wikipedia-l
 for? It is
describe "for issues specific to Wikipedia (and not sister projects such as
Wiktionary) but affecting editions of Wikipedia in more than one language".
Exactly what you are talking about "content about Wikipedia,
*particularly* when not specific to any one language"...

JP


On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> On Sep 25, 2017 18:57, "Jean-Philippe Béland" 
> wrote:
>
> This should have been posted to the Wikipedia mailing list since it doesn't
> have anything to do with the other projects or the movement in general.
>
>
> Um, no. This list is a general list, and content about Wikipedia,
> *particularly* when not specific to any one language, is welcome here.
>
> There is no active Wikipedia-only alternative to this list that would reach
> this international audience.
>
> A.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Presentation of Wikimédia France new Board members

[Chico Venancio]

Dear members of Wikimedia France,
The Wikimedia Community User Group Brazil sends its warmest regards and
best wishes for the new moment of Wikimedia France that you have shared
with us. We have followed the situation with the French community and
believe that the General Assembly and the election of new board members are
of utmost importance.
We hope we will have the opportunity to develop projects together in the
near future.
Warm regards!

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Chères et chers membres de Wikimédia France,
Le Groupe des éditeurs de la communauté Wikimédia au Brésil vous envoie
depuis les tropiques toutes les énergies positives pour que cette nouvelle
étape dont vous nous faites part soit un vrai succès. Nous avons suivi
attentivement la situation dans la communauté française et sommes certains
que l'Assemblée générale et l'élection  de nouveaux membres du conseil ont
été un moment d'énorme importance pour aboutir à un résultat positif pour
la communauté.
Nous espérons avoir l'occasion de développer des projets ensembles dans un
futur prochain.
Amitiés!


Chico Venancio
(+55 98) 9 8800 2743

2017-09-25 5:49 GMT-03:00 Tanweer Morshed :

> Goodluck to the elected board members. It's great to see WMFR moving
> forward out of the persistent trouble. All the best :)
>
> On Monday, September 25, 2017, Pierre-Selim 
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you Nadine for the update,
> >
> > Kudos to all the newly elected board and lots of courage for the months
> to
> > come.
> > It won't be easy, but it will be interesting.
> >
> > 2017-09-25 6:49 GMT+02:00 Natacha Rault >:
> >
> > > Dear Nadine,
> > >
> > > As a member of Wikimedia France and a Wikimedian, I want to thank you
> for
> > > your two last mails on behalf of the WMFR board. While reading you, I
> > feel
> > > confident that we have wonderful people to overcome past turmoil, and I
> > > also feel very grateful that you wrote back to the chapters offering
> > > support.
> > >
> > > We are a global movement, and knowledge is not something that remains
> > > stuck at the boarders, fortunately!
> > >
> > > Good luck to all board members, past and new.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Natacha / Nattes à chat
> > >
> > > > Le 24 sept. 2017 à 17:59, Nadine Le Lirzin  > > a
> > > écrit :
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Here is a brief presentation of the six new Board members elected on
> > > > September 9, plus one appointment decided by the previous Board and
> > > > ratified during this same Exceptional General Assembly called on
> > > > request of Wikimédia
> > > > France members.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > — Pierre-Yves Beaudouin (Pyb), 37, is a communication consultant,
> > > > WikiCheese evangelist, taphophile and member of the Association for
> 10
> > > > years. His appointment runs until October 2018.
> > > >
> > > > — Kropotkine_113 is 40 years old and is a teacher. Wikimedian for
> more
> > > than
> > > > 10 years, he has already been a Board member of Wikimedia France in
> > > > 2011-2012, during the first phase of professionalization of the
> > > > association. His appointment runs until October 2018.
> > > >
> > > > — Charlotte Matoussowsky, 26, is a translator and a lecturer. She
> > joined
> > > > WMFr in 2011 and mostly edits Wikipedia. Her appointment runs until
> > > October
> > > > 2018.
> > > >
> > > > — Nadine Le Lirzin lives in Paris and translates works of philology
> and
> > > > literary criticism, as well as political, ethical and moral
> philosophy.
> > > She
> > > > has been a Wikipedian for almost ten years and joined the Association
> > in
> > > > 2009. Her appointment runs until October 2018.
> > > >
> > > > — Kvardek du, 22, has been contributing to Wikimedia projects for 7
> > years
> > > > and organizes events like Art+Feminism editathons in Paris. Their PhD
> > > > research focuses on operational management in transportation. Their
> > > > appointment runs until October 2017.
> > > >
> > > > — Lucas Lévêque, 29, a librarian and a passionate wiktionarist,
> arrived
> > > in
> > > > the association in 2014. He co-founded Lingua Libre and he registers
> > > > regional languages for the Wiktionary. His appointment runs until
> > October
> > > > 2017.
> > > >
> > > > — Florence Raymond, 37, is an assistant curator, at the initiative of
> > > > Wikimuseum Project since 2016. She works for a better place of common
> > > goods
> > > > (photos and contents) in cultural structures. Her ratified
> appointement
> > > > runs until October 2017.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The remaining members of the previous Board announced their intention
> > to
> > > > accompany the transition before leaving.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The first Board meeting took place this week-end, September 23-24,
> the
> > > new
> > > > executive bureau is composed of:
> > > >
> > > > President: Pierre-Yves Beaudouin (Pyb)
> > > > Vice-President: Charlotte Matoussowsky
> > > > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mailing lists (was Encyclopedic Writing Guide)

[Jean-Philippe Béland]

Alors nous induisons les lecteurs/trices en erreur avec des pages comme
celle-ci :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists#Public_mailing_lists

JP


On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Michael Snow 
wrote:

> On 9/26/2017 6:34 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland wrote:
>
>> So what is Wikipedia-l
>>  for? It is
>> describe "for issues specific to Wikipedia (and not sister projects such
>> as
>> Wiktionary) but affecting editions of Wikipedia in more than one
>> language".
>> Exactly what you are talking about "content about Wikipedia,
>> *particularly* when not specific to any one language"...
>>
> In terms of the original design, you are correct that wikipedia-l was
> intended for this. However, if I may attempt to restate Asaf's point, that
> list has no meaningful activity, and it is counterproductive to insist that
> people use it when this list can serve the purpose. Initiating a productive
> conversation on this list is already work enough, we should not multiply
> the effort needed by requiring that someone also revive a comatose mailing
> list.
>
> That being said, if someone else wanted to take on the second task
> (reviving wikipedia-l) and forwarded this message there, or started a
> parallel conversation, I don't think that would be particularly
> problematic. But as this situation indicates, there is a challenge involved
> in determining how to use our multiplicity of lists with adjacent and
> potentially overlapping topic areas. I suspect the activity patterns into
> which we have drifted should tell us something about the optimum
> configuration of lists and topics, in the same way that say, Wikiversity
> languishing while Wikidata flourishes should tell us something about the
> optimum number of projects we can support.
>
> --Michael Snow
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women through the glass ceiling: gender asymmetries in Wikipedia

[Jean-Philippe Béland]

"As biases go, omitting notable subjects in the global south doesn't
have the deleterious real-world consequences that reenforcing
erroneous economic hegemony does."

How so? I don't want to go into politics topics, but with what we see
recently we clearly see the danger of thinking "less" of those cultures of
people...

JP


On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 3:31 PM, James Salsman  wrote:

> Jean-Philippe, yes, absolutely:
>
> http://blogs.oii.ox.ac.uk/policy/how-well-represented-
> is-the-mena-region-in-wikipedia/
>
> As biases go, omitting notable subjects in the global south doesn't
> have the deleterious real-world consequences that reenforcing
> erroneous economic hegemony does.
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:30 PM, Jean-Philippe Béland
>  wrote:
> > Good day,
> >
> > This is not related to gender bias, but an observation I made from
> reading
> > this paper. Table 1 shows the different percentage of overlap between
> > different languistic versions of Wikipedia with the English Wikipedia. Do
> > anybody know if there are studies or reports focussed on that?
> >
> > For example, I notice that the Wikipedia with the less overlap from the
> > above-mentioned table is the Arabic Wikipedia. To me, it seems to
> indicate
> > another sort of bias on the English Wikipedia and other "Western"
> language
> > Wikipedias in not necessarily including biographies from those parts of
> the
> > world. Or maybe there is another "glass ceiling" not based on gender,
> > meaning that somebody from the Middle East for instance needs to be more
> > notable in average to be included on the English Wikipedia comparatively
> of
> > somebody in North America or Europe. Do we have any analysis of that? Is
> > that a question that is brought up in reflexions about bias?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > JP
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 3:55 PM, James Heilman  wrote:
> >
> >> The article was discussing the proportion of articles about specific
> >> gender and possible reasons why this situation exists. What I
> >> mentioned was simply one among many potential explanation.
> >>
> >> James
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Eduardo Testart 
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hi again,
> >> >
> >> > I think the article is not related to paid editing, if you wish to
> >> discuss
> >> > that subject, you should probably open another thread.
> >> >
> >> > It would be nice if the discussion and comments can be kept on topic
> :)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > El sept. 22, 2017 3:49 PM, "James Heilman" 
> escribió:
> >> >
> >> > How do we know? Those who work extensively in this topic area and are
> >> > good at picking up paid editing make an educated guess. There are well
> >> > known patterns that represent paid editing. We could likely build a
> >> > tool that could look at all BLPs and give a numerical value to the
> >> > percentage that are most likely written for pay. If you look at a
> >> > random group of new BLPs at WP:NPP you will also get a decent idea.
> >> >
> >> > James
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Andy Mabbett
> >> >  wrote:
> >> >> On 22 September 2017 at 18:24, James Heilman 
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> We know that a sizable proportion of articles
> >> >>> about people are paid for by the individual themselves or their
> >> >>> representative.
> >> >>
> >> >> We do? How? And what size is that "sizable proportion"?
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Andy Mabbett
> >> >> @pigsonthewing
> >> >> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
> >> >>
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[Wikimedia-l] Mailing lists (was Encyclopedic Writing Guide)

[Michael Snow]

On 9/26/2017 6:34 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland wrote:

So what is Wikipedia-l
 for? It is
describe "for issues specific to Wikipedia (and not sister projects such as
Wiktionary) but affecting editions of Wikipedia in more than one language".
Exactly what you are talking about "content about Wikipedia,
*particularly* when not specific to any one language"...
In terms of the original design, you are correct that wikipedia-l was 
intended for this. However, if I may attempt to restate Asaf's point, 
that list has no meaningful activity, and it is counterproductive to 
insist that people use it when this list can serve the purpose. 
Initiating a productive conversation on this list is already work 
enough, we should not multiply the effort needed by requiring that 
someone also revive a comatose mailing list.


That being said, if someone else wanted to take on the second task 
(reviving wikipedia-l) and forwarded this message there, or started a 
parallel conversation, I don't think that would be particularly 
problematic. But as this situation indicates, there is a challenge 
involved in determining how to use our multiplicity of lists with 
adjacent and potentially overlapping topic areas. I suspect the activity 
patterns into which we have drifted should tell us something about the 
optimum configuration of lists and topics, in the same way that say, 
Wikiversity languishing while Wikidata flourishes should tell us 
something about the optimum number of projects we can support.


--Michael Snow

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Encyclopedic Writing Guide

[Itzik - Wikimedia Israel]

Hi Tanweer,

At this stage, there is no English version for this guide, but for personal
use in order to understand more about it and its structure, you can try
using Google Translate:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=iw=en=y=_t=en=UTF-8=https%3A%2F%2Fguide.wikimedia.org.il%2F=




*Regards,Itzik Edri*
Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
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On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:01 AM, Tanweer Morshed 
wrote:

> Hi Michal,
>
> Thanks for the resource. Such a guide is indeed essential for producing
> quality content in Wikipedia. But the website seems to be in Hebrew only,
> is there an English version of the guide?
>
>
> On Monday, September 25, 2017, FULBERT 
> wrote:
>
> > This looks great; I can only wish it were in English!!
> >
> > Perhaps it is and I missed a link for it? Sounds like a useful resource!!
> >
> > -
> >
> > With Incredulity toward Metanarratives,
> >
> > Jeffrey
> > User:FULBERT
> > fulb...@fulbert-avebury.com 
> >
> > > On Sep 25, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Michal Lester  > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I’m excited to share with you our new interactive tool *teaching
> > > encyclopedic writing*[1]. Encyclopedic writing differs from other kinds
> > of
> > > writing, such as academic, journalistic, or creative writing. In order
> to
> > > learn how to contribute substantial content to Wikipedia, it is not
> > enough
> > > to learn the technicalities of using Wikipedia's interface, as taught
> by
> > > the interactive educational software[2]. The Encyclopedic Writing Guide
> > was
> > > born of a need to instruct participants in our Educational projects, as
> > > well as the general public, on the principles of encyclopedic writing,
> > and
> > > specifically those of Wikipedia. The guide is aimed at teaching the
> rules
> > > and "best practices" that apply at various stages of contributing
> content
> > > to Wikipedia: from choosing a topic for an article, to finding sources,
> > to
> > > structuring the article, and finally, the required writing style. The
> > guide
> > > thus teaches how to asses the encyclopedic importance of a topic, how
> to
> > > find independent and reliable sources on that topic, how to structure
> the
> > > information according to Wikipedia's article format, and how to produce
> > > neutral and succinct writing.
> > >
> > > The guide is built as a website. Users are invited to choose between
> two
> > > tracks: a track for expanding existing articles and a track for writing
> > new
> > > ones. In both tracks, each of the four stages is presented on a
> different
> > > page, where the related information, tips, examples and practical tools
> > are
> > > concentrated. The information is presented in a basic concise form, and
> > the
> > > users are invited to open links and pop-ups to obtain more information
> > and
> > > practical examples.
> > >
> > > Editing Wikipedia is not just a technical skill. While learning how to
> > use
> > > Wikipedia's interface is necessary, it is not sufficient in order to
> > learn
> > > how to contribute substantial content to the platform. The Encyclopedic
> > > Writing Guide is the first tool of its kind teaching how to create
> > > encyclopedic content.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > *Michal Lester,*
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Executive DirectorWikimedia Israel*
> > > [1] https://guide.wikimedia.org.il/
> > > [2] http://www.wikimedia.org.il/%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%93%D7%94/
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[Wikimedia-l] CentralNotice help for Wikimedia Conference Russia / Oct.14-15

[Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin]

Hello all, 

Where can I request experienced user's help with CentralNotice banner for 
Wikimedia Conference Russia in Moscow, Oct.14-15? 

At Montreal meeting with WMF staff (James Baldwin, Jaime Villagomez, Winifred 
Olliff, Stephen LaPorte & Charles M. Roslof), it was said Mr. Joseph Seddon 
would be the person to ask for help, but I got no reply to my Sept.19 email. 

I understand there might be more than just placing a request for the banner & 
adding it into the calendar, but I need help with it. I limited the scope to WP 
only, cut down the number of languages & shortened to one week only.

Thank you in advance.
Regards,
farhad

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Request/2017_Wiki_Conference_Russia
 

https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%84%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_2017/en

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] CentralNotice help for Wikimedia Conference Russia / Oct.14-15

[Joseph Seddon]

All sorted via the Wikipedia Weekly facebook group.

Currently on leave and CentralNotice is severely under-resourced with
community members (like many community processes in the movement).

If there are any members of this list who have skills with building
templates and familiar with html and css  who would like to contribute to
supporting affiliates and community members in building banners for their
events, competitions and outreach activities get in touch with a friendly
community central notice or meta admin [1] for guidance on what is involved.

Regards
Seddon

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers?username==sysop==mw-listusers-form=50


On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin <
f...@yandex.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Where can I request experienced user's help with CentralNotice banner for
> Wikimedia Conference Russia in Moscow, Oct.14-15?
>
> At Montreal meeting with WMF staff (James Baldwin, Jaime Villagomez,
> Winifred Olliff, Stephen LaPorte & Charles M. Roslof), it was said Mr.
> Joseph Seddon would be the person to ask for help, but I got no reply to my
> Sept.19 email.
>
> I understand there might be more than just placing a request for the
> banner & adding it into the calendar, but I need help with it. I limited
> the scope to WP only, cut down the number of languages & shortened to one
> week only.
>
> Thank you in advance.
> Regards,
> farhad
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Request/
> 2017_Wiki_Conference_Russia
>
> https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D0%
> BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%84%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_2017/en
>
> --
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> skype:frhdkazan / Wikipedia:frhdkazan
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women through the glass ceiling: gender asymmetries in Wikipedia

[Jane Darnell]

I don't think so, but this has interested me. The problem is how to look at
the data in such a way that it is meaningful. I tried to break it down a
bit and I have presented about the differences in women's occupations
across language wikis and gender here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gendergap_-_female_percentage_per_occupation_en_nl_ja.png

Because of receiving timeouts I couldn't get all the data on the largest
wikis to do more work on the dataset, but this year I started tracking the
occupations linked to women in Wikidata per sitelinked language wiki using
Magnus's Listeria tool here:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Jane023/Number_of_women_per_occupation

Since I noticed lots of women on Wikidata were either linked to extremely
obscure occupations or mostly just still missing any occupation at all, I
decided to replicate the listeria list in userspace on some Wikipedias in
order to see if that helped, and it did. You can run the same query for any
language (I recommend trying it for Japanese or as you suggest, Arabic)

After looking at the Asian languages individually I noticed there are just
huge differences in the popular womens' occupations.

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 8:30 PM, Jean-Philippe Béland  wrote:

> Good day,
>
> This is not related to gender bias, but an observation I made from reading
> this paper. Table 1 shows the different percentage of overlap between
> different languistic versions of Wikipedia with the English Wikipedia. Do
> anybody know if there are studies or reports focussed on that?
>
> For example, I notice that the Wikipedia with the less overlap from the
> above-mentioned table is the Arabic Wikipedia. To me, it seems to indicate
> another sort of bias on the English Wikipedia and other "Western" language
> Wikipedias in not necessarily including biographies from those parts of the
> world. Or maybe there is another "glass ceiling" not based on gender,
> meaning that somebody from the Middle East for instance needs to be more
> notable in average to be included on the English Wikipedia comparatively of
> somebody in North America or Europe. Do we have any analysis of that? Is
> that a question that is brought up in reflexions about bias?
>
> Thank you,
>
> JP
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 3:55 PM, James Heilman  wrote:
>
> > The article was discussing the proportion of articles about specific
> > gender and possible reasons why this situation exists. What I
> > mentioned was simply one among many potential explanation.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Eduardo Testart 
> > wrote:
> > > Hi again,
> > >
> > > I think the article is not related to paid editing, if you wish to
> > discuss
> > > that subject, you should probably open another thread.
> > >
> > > It would be nice if the discussion and comments can be kept on topic :)
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > >
> > > El sept. 22, 2017 3:49 PM, "James Heilman" 
> escribió:
> > >
> > > How do we know? Those who work extensively in this topic area and are
> > > good at picking up paid editing make an educated guess. There are well
> > > known patterns that represent paid editing. We could likely build a
> > > tool that could look at all BLPs and give a numerical value to the
> > > percentage that are most likely written for pay. If you look at a
> > > random group of new BLPs at WP:NPP you will also get a decent idea.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Andy Mabbett
> > >  wrote:
> > >> On 22 September 2017 at 18:24, James Heilman 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> We know that a sizable proportion of articles
> > >>> about people are paid for by the individual themselves or their
> > >>> representative.
> > >>
> > >> We do? How? And what size is that "sizable proportion"?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Andy Mabbett
> > >> @pigsonthewing
> > >> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
> > >>
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