On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Philippe Beaudette
pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Aug 11, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote:
like suppression, it should be
used only by stewards and community approved functionaries.
I'm confused. Are you suggesting that
FWIW, Lila's comments were made before the start of this email thread about
superprotect.
Pine
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
Forwarding comments from Lila from
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALilaTretikovdiff=9454366oldid=9339030
Hi all,
this is just a reminder that the next VE office hour is on Thursday 14
August at 900 UTC,
in case you want to add it to your calendar.
Hope to see you there,
Elitre (WMF)
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On 12 August 2014 02:39, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote:
There needs to be a central place, like the Wikimedia blog, but dedicated
to tech things - actively announcing everything WM ENGINEERING are doing,
both in products and in core.
There is. It's called the monthly report. See
Erik,
I'll be writing a longer post on the Meta RFC later, but can you confirm
whether the idea is to superprotect key interface pages like
[[Mediawiki:common.js]] on a permanent basis, or will this feature only be
used to lock pages temporarily in the case of wheel warring or other
circumstances
Straniu, Jimbo's comments in his keynote about forking concerned
encouraging competent editors who can't work cooperatively with other
people to fork in a way that would be better for everyone in the long run.
I don't believe this disappointing confrontation between the WMF and
volunteers were
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 12 August 2014 02:39, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote:
There needs to be a central place, like the Wikimedia blog, but dedicated
to tech things - actively announcing everything WM ENGINEERING are doing,
Hi,
Has Odder / Tomasz Kozłowski been put on moderation?
I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to the
list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having been
put on any moderation, and the moderators havent responded to queries
sent directly, and havent
On 12/08/14 11:23, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
Hi,
Has Odder / Tomasz Kozłowski been put on moderation?
I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to the
list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having been
put on any moderation, and the moderators havent
Yes, I temporarily placed Tomasz on moderation after his personal
attacks on the list. I apologize for apparently not making this clear
enough with my on-list warning.
I spent most of yesterday afternoon traveling home from Wikimania, and
have not seen any messages from him since. As the admin
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
Current working practices on lists include never being informed that
it happened and never getting a reply to a polite request of why the
moderation is in place, along with there being no possibility of
appeal or timely review. More
Does either of you or anyone else see a valid reason to deny this
seemingly reasonable and considered request? It's quite obvious that hacks
to achieve the same ends are far from ideal. Why not simply disable
MediaViewer by default on the German Wikipedia, as requested?
In my view, the
I'm an administrator for a few lists and personally I feel you are being
far far too generic in saying lists are not managed correctly. A process is
not broken here just a users understanding. Document don't argue regarding
processes.
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On 12.08.2014 02:26, svetlana wrote:
If we accept the policy in principle, I don't care who enforces such
policy, that be community or WMF. Such policy does not go against
community entirely, unless WMF shows a will to reject community
patches related to issues which community finds important.
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On 12/08/14 20:23, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
Hi,
Has Odder / Tomasz Kozłowski been put on moderation?
Yes.
I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to
the list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having
As one has been there, done that, I would like to point out that there is an
order of magnitude difference between Internet Brands and WMF.
Cheers,
Peter
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Also, 118 people (190 vs. 72 votes in the poll [1] on German Wikipedia)
are not the community. They are a small part of the community.
The people who would profit [2] from the Media Viewer as a default feature
were not consulted.
Cheers,
Magnus
[1]
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Craig Franklin
cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote:
I'll be writing a longer post on the Meta RFC later, but can you confirm
whether the idea is to superprotect key interface pages like
[[Mediawiki:common.js]] on a permanent basis, or will this feature only be
Thank you so much to the London Wikimania organizers for putting a
wonderful Wikimania 2014. I want to recognize everyone who helped out: the
core team who proposed the bid and worked for over a year organizing a
vision and a team to carry it out; the staff at Wikimedia UK and WMF who
worked on
Has it ever come to the mind that something is going wrong on how the
community is approached?
Has it ever come to the mind that some software implementations have gone
to hastily with negative effects?
That the community reacts the way it does now, is because they care very
much about the site
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 12 August 2014 02:39, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote:
There needs to be a central place, like the Wikimedia blog, but dedicated
to tech things - actively announcing everything WM ENGINEERING are doing,
magnus, a vote always has 3 options.
* i am for it
* i am against it
* i can live with the outcome of the vote
so i did not vote. because i can live with both. but i do respect the vote.
i do respect admin decisions, i even voted for some admins.
at the end it is very simple. the one who
On 12/08/2014 15:19, rupert THURNER wrote:
magnus, a vote always has 3 options.
* i am for it
* i am against it
* i can live with the outcome of the vote
No, there are other options.
* I didn't know the poll was happening
* I just want to get on with editing / reading Wikipedia (or sister
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com
wrote:
magnus, a vote always has 3 options.
* i am for it
* i am against it
* i can live with the outcome of the vote
nitpick
You mean do not particularly care about it, surely? That you can live
with the outcome of a
2014-08-12 16:57 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com
wrote:
so i did not vote. because i can live with both. but i do respect the
vote.
i do respect admin decisions, i even voted for some admins.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com
wrote:
2014-08-12 16:57 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM, rupert THURNER
rupert.thur...@gmail.com
wrote:
so i did not vote. because i can live with both. but i do
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 6:54 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:49 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 2:01 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com
wrote:
Before this, there was no expectation that a
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Magnus Manske
magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote:
It's probably fine for modern viewing, although it's hard to guess that
you get to the file page via the little Commons icon for people who (in all
likelihood) have never seen that icon, or visited Commons.
Dear
On 12.08.2014 16:57, Magnus Manske wrote:
German Wikipedia had 1.1 billion page views in June [1]. ~300 votes (~2/3
against MediaViewer) do not represent the readers, IMHO.
Claiming to speak for a perceived silent majority will not help you much
in this discussion.
There is a common pattern in
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
These changes will need to be carefully tested/validated. If you want
to take a look at an early early (!) prototype (!!), see
http://multimedia-alpha.wmflabs.org/wiki/Lightbox_demo , but please
note that anything but
Whoever believes that an administration of a crowdsourcing website can do
whatever they want just because they are running the website should recollect
what recently happened to Internet Brands and Wikitravel.
Popcorn, anyone?
Wikipedia is not an organization, and the WMF does not administer
It seems that poor (and insufficient) communication is a pretty widespread
problem at WMF.
Balazs
2014-08-12 13:25 GMT+02:00 Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com:
Does either of you or anyone else see a valid reason to deny this
seemingly reasonable and considered request? It's quite
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
These changes will need to be carefully tested/validated. If you want
to take a look at an early early (!) prototype (!!), see
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Henning Schlottmann h.schlottm...@gmx.net
wrote:
On 12.08.2014 16:57, Magnus Manske wrote:
German Wikipedia had 1.1 billion page views in June [1]. ~300 votes (~2/3
against MediaViewer) do not represent the readers, IMHO.
Claiming to speak for a perceived
Given this news about BGP hijacking used to mine hundreds of thousands
(if not millions) of dollars worth of bitcoins per year, as a
practical matter concerning donations, is there any way to accept
bitcoin payments without risking accepting stolen property?
No, that doesn't seem possible. But that's not really different for
any other payment method either. And even if we could get payments
without risking accepting stolen property, I don't think we should.
When choosing between unwittingly accepting tainted money and forcing
people to give up their
You do, of course, realize that any currency anyone accepts could at some
point have been stolen?
On Aug 12, 2014 3:49 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote:
Given this news about BGP hijacking used to mine hundreds of thousands
(if not millions) of dollars worth of bitcoins per year, as a
All,
I just want to call your attention to Lila's statement at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:LilaTretikov#On_a_Scale_of_Billions
.
pb
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On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Henning Schlottmann
h.schlottm...@gmx.net
wrote:
This is serious. WMF really needs to appreciate the expertise of the
author community and accept their experience a
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, at 23:42, Romaine Wiki wrote:
That the community reacts the way it does now, is because they care very
much about the site and they notice something is terrible going wrong on
WMF side and too less is done to fix those problems/issues!
if the community was not so willing
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014, at 10:46, svetlana wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, at 23:42, Romaine Wiki wrote:
That the community reacts the way it does now, is because they care very
much about the site and they notice something is terrible going wrong on
WMF side and too less is done to fix those
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:46 PM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, at 23:42, Romaine Wiki wrote:
That the community reacts the way it does now, is because they care very
much about the site and they notice something is terrible going wrong on
WMF side and too
If the WF wasn't so willing to use force (i.e. pushing unwanted changes)
against the other party
instead of talking properly
then the superprotect wouldn't exist at all
you seeing the problem there? whose problem is it?
desire to act out of the blue instead of collaborating
they didn't
2014-08-12 21:41 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Henning Schlottmann
h.schlottm...@gmx.net
wrote:
There is a common pattern in the conflicts between WMF and several
communities over software developments during the last few years.
2014-08-13 2:46 GMT+02:00 svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, at 23:42, Romaine Wiki wrote:
That the community reacts the way it does now, is because they care very
much about the site and they notice something is terrible going wrong on
WMF side and too less is done to
Dear all,
Since many have asked why I'm stepping off the board when my term ends Dec
2014: there's no dramatic reason - it's the compulsions of time. Being on
the WMF board is immensely satisfying but also a big time commitment that I
find increasingly hard to sustain.
I intend to be around in
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Magnus Manske
magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote:
Like many other old hands, it seems to get in the way of my workflow. Not
an issue for me, as long as I can turn it off.
hehe, i suppose
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