First of all I don’t know the context of this conversation. I know that I
personnally find that the actions of Trust& Safety very valuable and wise. I
totally support and trust their judgement.
I am tired of seing their work criticized, and do not appreciate official
> No, I'm saying that it's ridiculous to judge wikipedia on its policy that
> citing itself is disallowed.
Perhaps, then, rather than telling us what it is that you don't agree with,
you would like to propound your own position, and in your own words. Do
you believe that Wikipedia is
May we not know the real names of the committee members, as opposed to
their pseudonyms? Surely that is necessary, both as a matter of
general principle, and specifically in case it were ever to turn out
that a member of the committee might be involved in a complaint.
The initial message was a private message from Romaine (WMBE Board member)
on his own initiative; not verified, nor approved by (the Board of)
Wikimedia Belgium. Please read this reply carefully in order to try to bring
I have immediately notified Romaine that he abused his function
I am new to the mailing list and more generaly on wikipedia as contributor
and as student in wikiversity.
I did not know about WikiJournals as part of Wikiversity. My only remark
will be that the wikiveristy
PhD program is in poor shape. I was lost in the various tools I had to use
You do not get it. For me this is about saying goodbye. Saying goodbye to
someone I/we truly value. Saying goodbye to someone who we owe gratitude.
This was not allowed to be, we say goodbye and we are told that we are
wrong because a situation where the POV expressed is that we cannot say
Well, no, this is the team that banned an en.wp admin for reasons they are
not able to disclose. It is only community speculation based on a portion
of an email sent to the banned user that has led people to draw the same
conclusion as you, and I suspect that is not the full story. That, however,
Gerard, I think your comment is highly inappropriate. I don't generally
like to pile on, but this needs calling out. When discussing these
sensitive topics, the very least we can expect, is a careful approach to
I don't know the underlying situation well enough to establish who's
I think it's OK to mourn the loss of someone's future contributions and
participation, without purporting to make a decision on the substance of
any accusations. I read Romaine's e-mail and thought it sad that he felt it
necessary to withdraw. I also am not blindly trusting of T This is the
> It is extremely disappointing, and *extremely typical* of the Wikimedia
> movement, to see an entire thread like this dedicated to supporting someone
> who Trust & Safety has found to have acted in such a way that they had to
> intervene. It is even more disappointing to see a person who was
Thanks Molly for your thoughtful words, I really hope your words make some
people think about their own replies in this thread.
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 23:42, GorillaWarfare <
> I do not know Romaine, I do not know Caroline, and I do not know much about
I do not know Romaine, I do not know Caroline, and I do not know much about
the events that have led up to all of this other than what has been said on
this mailing list. It is easy to take sides in cases like these, based on
who you know best, your past experiences with that person, and a
Her POV ?
Well I can confirm what Caroline said.
What more do you want ? To verify all other reports ?
It's sad that things have escalated this far, but may be it's time to
wonder why it escalated like that. There was multiple incidents reported.
Things that should have stayed private were told
I am very sad and depressed with this outcome, especially with someone as
Romaine, which I am quite lucky to know personally.
And it is very true that now one has to have eyes in their back and be
extra careful when going to WMF run events, as the risk of abuse of T is
For me this is not your story. Your insistence of making it so has quite
the opposite effect. I have known Romaine, the tireless efforts for us all
he has given us over the years, I grieve for our collective loss. I do not
know you and you are intruding on what is a feeling shared by
We have some spots still available for presentations at next week's
Wikimedia monthly activities meeting on 27 June 2019 starting at 18:00 UTC.
If you have anything you are working on which you would like to share with
the wider movement, here is your chance! :)
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This is an announcement about a new installment of the Language Showcase, a
series of presentations about various aspects of language diversity and its
connection to Wikimedia Projects.
This new installment will deal with Machine Translation and how we are
seeing their use in Wikimedia
you know that you are always welcome.
And if you have to categorize yourself to be accepted, we should say that
the community is becoming insane.
We accept Romaine because is Romane non because he is man/woman,
black/white, LGBT/Etero, etc.
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 1:15
This is such a lost. Not only did you waisted an opportunity to learn and
grow from your mistakes the first time, you reiterate here, showing no
willingness to grow and learn.
But why would you take the difficult path, when by just claiming your right
to "weirdness" (which I guess only apply to
I am ashamed that the movement has a climate that allows this unfortunate
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 7:15 AM Romaine Wiki wrote:
> Dear community,
> About a month ago I have decided that I will indefinitely no longer attend
> any WMF funded events as result of bullying, attempts to
I completely agree with Camelia, and would like to echo the same.
Most of us are weird in some way, so don't feel bad. Even after meeting
hundreds of people from all over the world, I still have a very hard time
socialising "normally". I've been this way pretty much as far as I can
Good luck in your next challenges Kiril, and thank you for all these
El 2019-05-30 02:05, Kiril Simeonovski escribió:
I would like to inform you about my resignation from the Executive
Shared Knowledge, effective from 1 July 2019.
After spending almost ten years
It is very sad to read this e-mail. I had the luck of meeting you
several times. I wish you the best in your life.
Thank you for all these time working for free knowledge.
El 2019-06-20 17:59, Gerard Meijssen escribió:
I am sad. It has been a pleasure to work with you. Your
I am sad. It has been a pleasure to work with you. Your energy has been
I hope that we will find each other whenever, wherever.
Thank you Romaine :)
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 13:15, Romaine Wiki wrote:
> Dear community,
> First I need to mention that the
One way or another, as nerds, we are all weird. I felt in love with this
movement when I realized that anyone inside would not have felt a stranger.
I live in Rome, where there is the habit of hugging and / or kissing each
other on one cheek and another when we meet. In the Arab world I saw that
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 13:16 Mister Thrapostibongles <
> You really think that it is ridiculous that encyclopaedias in general and
> Wikipedia in particular should be judged, among other criteria, on their
> reliability? If so, I disagree.
You really think that it is ridiculous that encyclopaedias in general and
Wikipedia in particular should be judged, among other criteria, on their
reliability? If so, I disagree.
However, if you really believe that an encyclopadia does not ned to be
reliable, then it seems that on this
First I need to mention that the message I sent a few days ago had too
limited information regarding the context of the message. The e-mail was
written by me personally alone, written from my perspective. The email
contained an overview what has happened, written based on e-mails
Welcome and thank you for serving/having served in such an important role !
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 11:39 AM Amir Sarabadani
> Hello everyone,
> The deadline for the public feedback was yesterday. Some objections have
> raised but committee decided not to change the structure of
The deadline for the public feedback was yesterday. Some objections have
raised but committee decided not to change the structure of committee and
its candidates. It means the new committee with the given members starts
serving as of today until 19 June 2020.
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