Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
First of all I don’t know the context of this conversation. I know that I personnally find that the actions of Trust& Safety very valuable and wise. I totally support and trust their judgement. I am tired of seing their work criticized, and do not appreciate official chapter representants

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation management of volunteers

2019-06-20 Thread Mister Thrapostibongles
Martin > No, I'm saying that it's ridiculous to judge wikipedia on its policy that > citing itself is disallowed. > Perhaps, then, rather than telling us what it is that you don't agree with, you would like to propound your own position, and in your own words. Do you believe that Wikipedia is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Code of Conduct committee candidates

2019-06-20 Thread Thomas Townsend
Amir May we not know the real names of the committee members, as opposed to their pseudonyms? Surely that is necessary, both as a matter of general principle, and specifically in case it were ever to turn out that a member of the committee might be involved in a complaint. The Turnip On Thu,

[Wikimedia-l] New board for Wikimedia Belgium + evaluation behaviour WMF

2019-06-20 Thread Geert Van Pamel
The initial message was a private message from Romaine (WMBE Board member) on his own initiative; not verified, nor approved by (the Board of) Wikimedia Belgium. Please read this reply carefully in order to try to bring more clarity. I have immediately notified Romaine that he abused his function

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-20 Thread Amirouche Boubekki
Hello, I am new to the mailing list and more generaly on wikipedia as contributor and as student in wikiversity. I did not know about WikiJournals as part of Wikiversity. My only remark will be that the wikiveristy PhD program is in poor shape. I was lost in the various tools I had to use and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You do not get it. For me this is about saying goodbye. Saying goodbye to someone I/we truly value. Saying goodbye to someone who we owe gratitude. This was not allowed to be, we say goodbye and we are told that we are wrong because a situation where the POV expressed is that we cannot say

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread GorillaWarfare
Well, no, this is the team that banned an en.wp admin for reasons they are not able to disclose. It is only community speculation based on a portion of an email sent to the banned user that has led people to draw the same conclusion as you, and I suspect that is not the full story. That, however,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread effe iets anders
Gerard, I think your comment is highly inappropriate. I don't generally like to pile on, but this needs calling out. When discussing these sensitive topics, the very least we can expect, is a careful approach to the matter. I don't know the underlying situation well enough to establish who's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Nathan
I think it's OK to mourn the loss of someone's future contributions and participation, without purporting to make a decision on the substance of any accusations. I read Romaine's e-mail and thought it sad that he felt it necessary to withdraw. I also am not blindly trusting of T This is the same

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Chris Keating
> > It is extremely disappointing, and *extremely typical* of the Wikimedia > movement, to see an entire thread like this dedicated to supporting someone > who Trust & Safety has found to have acted in such a way that they had to > intervene. It is even more disappointing to see a person who was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Thanks Molly for your thoughtful words, I really hope your words make some people think about their own replies in this thread. On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 23:42, GorillaWarfare < gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> wrote: > I do not know Romaine, I do not know Caroline, and I do not know much about >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread GorillaWarfare
I do not know Romaine, I do not know Caroline, and I do not know much about the events that have led up to all of this other than what has been said on this mailing list. It is easy to take sides in cases like these, based on who you know best, your past experiences with that person, and a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Pierre-Selim
Her POV ? Well I can confirm what Caroline said. What more do you want ? To verify all other reports ? It's sad that things have escalated this far, but may be it's time to wonder why it escalated like that. There was multiple incidents reported. Things that should have stayed private were told

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I am very sad and depressed with this outcome, especially with someone as Romaine, which I am quite lucky to know personally. And it is very true that now one has to have eyes in their back and be extra careful when going to WMF run events, as the risk of abuse of T is quite real. Dangerous

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Caroline, For me this is not your story. Your insistence of making it so has quite the opposite effect. I have known Romaine, the tireless efforts for us all he has given us over the years, I grieve for our collective loss. I do not know you and you are intruding on what is a feeling shared by

[Wikimedia-l] Spots available in next week's monthly activities meeting

2019-06-20 Thread Gregory Varnum
Greetings, We have some spots still available for presentations at next week's Wikimedia monthly activities meeting on 27 June 2019 starting at 18:00 UTC. If you have anything you are working on which you would like to share with the wider movement, here is your chance! :) Signup on Meta-Wiki (

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Language showcase June 2019

2019-06-20 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hello, This is an announcement about a new installment of the Language Showcase, a series of presentations about various aspects of language diversity and its connection to Wikimedia Projects. This new installment will deal with Machine Translation and how we are seeing their use in Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi Romaine you know that you are always welcome. And if you have to categorize yourself to be accepted, we should say that the community is becoming insane. We accept Romaine because is Romane non because he is man/woman, black/white, LGBT/Etero, etc. Kind regards On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 1:15

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Caroline Becker
This is such a lost. Not only did you waisted an opportunity to learn and grow from your mistakes the first time, you reiterate here, showing no willingness to grow and learn. But why would you take the difficult path, when by just claiming your right to "weirdness" (which I guess only apply to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Dennis During
I am ashamed that the movement has a climate that allows this unfortunate outcome On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 7:15 AM Romaine Wiki wrote: > Dear community, > > > About a month ago I have decided that I will indefinitely no longer attend > any WMF funded events as result of bullying, attempts to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Rehman Abubakr
Hi Romaine, I completely agree with Camelia, and would like to echo the same. Most of us are weird in some way, so don't feel bad. Even after meeting hundreds of people from all over the world, I still have a very hard time socialising "normally". I've been this way pretty much as far as I can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation from Shared Knowledge's Executive Board

2019-06-20 Thread Santiago Navarro
Good luck in your next challenges Kiril, and thank you for all these years. El 2019-05-30 02:05, Kiril Simeonovski escribió: Dear all, I would like to inform you about my resignation from the Executive Board of Shared Knowledge, effective from 1 July 2019. After spending almost ten years

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Santiago Navarro
It is very sad to read this e-mail. I had the luck of meeting you several times. I wish you the best in your life. Thank you for all these time working for free knowledge. El 2019-06-20 17:59, Gerard Meijssen escribió: Hoi Romaine, I am sad. It has been a pleasure to work with you. Your

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi Romaine, I am sad. It has been a pleasure to work with you. Your energy has been inspiring. I hope that we will find each other whenever, wherever. Thank you Romaine :) Gerard On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 13:15, Romaine Wiki wrote: > Dear community, > > First I need to mention that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread camelia boban
One way or another, as nerds, we are all weird. I felt in love with this movement when I realized that anyone inside would not have felt a stranger. I live in Rome, where there is the habit of hugging and / or kissing each other on one cheek and another when we meet. In the Arab world I saw that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation management of volunteers

2019-06-20 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 13:16 Mister Thrapostibongles < thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote: > Martin > > You really think that it is ridiculous that encyclopaedias in general and > Wikipedia in particular should be judged, among other criteria, on their > reliability? If so, I disagree. > No, I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation management of volunteers

2019-06-20 Thread Mister Thrapostibongles
Martin You really think that it is ridiculous that encyclopaedias in general and Wikipedia in particular should be judged, among other criteria, on their reliability? If so, I disagree. However, if you really believe that an encyclopadia does not ned to be reliable, then it seems that on this

[Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Romaine Wiki
Dear community, First I need to mention that the message I sent a few days ago had too limited information regarding the context of the message. The e-mail was written by me personally alone, written from my perspective. The email contained an overview what has happened, written based on e-mails

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] New Code of Conduct committee candidates

2019-06-20 Thread Derk-Jan Hartman
Welcome and thank you for serving/having served in such an important role ! DJ On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 11:39 AM Amir Sarabadani wrote: > Hello everyone, > The deadline for the public feedback was yesterday. Some objections have > raised but committee decided not to change the structure of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Code of Conduct committee candidates

2019-06-20 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hello everyone, The deadline for the public feedback was yesterday. Some objections have raised but committee decided not to change the structure of committee and its candidates. It means the new committee with the given members starts serving as of today until 19 June 2020. Please join me on