Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

Maggie Dennis, 16/05/2012 18:17: Clarification on this process was actually most recently requested by an en Wiki admin on the principle that people who create their own accounts are more likely to care about them. :) To care or to be able to do something with them? Anyway, they can create the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

K. Peachey, 17/05/2012 05:38: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM, MZMcBride wrote: Before this guide gets distributed too widely, I'd think about its scalability. Shell requests can take weeks, months, or even years to get resolved, even when filed properly. Anyone in the world of tomorrow! can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

Tobias, 21/05/2012 01:32: On 05/17/2012 07:22 PM, Tom Morris wrote: You forgot one biggie: he has run the London Wikipedia meetup which first started in June 2004 has now met 57 times. Hong Kong has met more often, but London is, I believe, the "Original and Best" (in all 57 varieties).* Acco

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked "principle of least surprise" for the image filter?

David Gerard, 13/06/2012 23:02: On-wiki, I see it being used in naming convention arguments for years, as early as April 2005. Yeah, that's arguably a user interface issue (with arguments being somewhat alleviated by a forest of redirects). I see it's been commonly used around user interface i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked "principle of least surprise" for the image filter?

Anthony, 17/06/2012 05:05: I still would have been confused. Still am, actually. Did this paragraph have a serious point at all? I hope so, because Wikipedia's porn problem is a serious issue. The point was, I think, that no "software" is perfect (not even parents' brain) and that parents c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked "principle of least surprise" for the image filter?

Andrew Gray, 17/06/2012 15:50: In short: the almost complete absence of anyone doing *anything* clever in terms of reusing and repurposing our content strongly suggests that there are practical barriers to doing so in general, rather than the flaws with any specific model of what it is they want

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

Nathan, 13/06/2012 20:37: In my view, no. I think we need to balance the "risk" argument for anonymity (dissidents, whistleblowers, people editing topics they wouldn't want to be publicly associated with, etc.) with the benefits of partial anonymity. Among these benefits I'd cite the many news it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Still wikipediocentric

Amir E. Aharoni, 19/06/2012 07:00: A belated reply... Some new recent developments: How will the "Setup a guideline for the community about what they can expect on future deploys and how they can stay up to date" be addressed? With "Plan a Bugzilla triage session after we have the wikisource

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Endangered languages, a new project by Google

Samuel Klein, 21/06/2012 16:07: Brilliant. The WM language committee and/or lenguasoriginarias might want to apply to join the Alliance for Linguistic Diversity. http://www.endangeredlanguages.com/about/#about_alliance Are they actually doing something or is this only a showcase-site/forum?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright information not digitised?

Kim Bruning, 23/06/2012 21:55: According to: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120330/12402418305/why-missing-20th-century-books-is-even-worse-than-it-seems.shtml a lot of books have an uncertain copyright status, because the Copyright Office records have not been digitized yet. Thi

[Wikimedia-l] "Wikipedia founder's petition: Stop extradition of O'Dwyer"

Evolution of political battles (this one on "piracy"). http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/24/richard-o-dwyer-my-petition This is currently first on http://www.guardian.co.uk/ (UK news but I've seen it on TV while they were showing headlines on Euro 2012...). Nemo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours "The future of e-mail usage in Wikimedia projects" 2012-07-18 16:30 UTC

Risker, 26/06/2012 03:55: There are sometimes good reasons for holding office hours consistently at a specific time, most particularly if there is a desire to draw in editors from a certain geographic area, or if that is the time that a specific language group finds most convenient. [...] Don't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

Andreas Kolbe, 27/06/2012 19:05: Yes, you can argue it's his right to act as an individual, it's not his fault that the press describe him as the Wikipedia founder, etc. Really? The article attributed to him is signed "Wikipedia founder", are you saying that the newspaper added it? Nemo ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet Defense League RFC

Thomas Dalton, 29/06/2012 00:32: On 28 June 2012 23:26, Nathan wrote: I think we should debate what is and isn't thread hijacking, and when it may or may not be appropriate. The weather today in London was wonderful. Also, this thread is a valuable example of what the Internet Defense woul

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New, lower traffic, announcements only email list for Wikimedia developers

Michael Peel, 01/07/2012 23:39: Could I ask a related common question - why not just send these out on WikimediaAnnounce-l? The list is meant to be low traffic compared to wikitech-l, which is currently (by far) the highest traffic list we have; so, still quite high traffic. Moreover, it's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Help decide about more than $10 million of movement funds in the coming year

Only ten millions? This sounds wrong. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

Nathan, 03/07/2012 20:40: Except as I then described, in fact the specifics are known - it was done at Sue's request, in mid-March, after she consulted with the GC and after Jimbo weighed in. This is exactly why nobody is deemed responsible except an anonymous OTRS queue, le...@wikimedia.org (

Re: [Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

Philippe Beaudette, 03/07/2012 21:05: And that's precisely why we would like a global ban policy implemented. We would prefer an established, community-monitored process that we can turn to when at all possible (and make no mistake, in this case it was needed; I wish we could give all the specifi

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] WMIT bulletin no. 33: June 20, 2012

The new editorial team has produced a new issue of Wikimedia Italia's bulletin, shortened for the sake of clarity to the public at large. English version follows and is available on the wiki http://wiki.wikimedia.it/wiki/Wikimedia_news/numero_33/en Please let us know if you find this format usef

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [OT] ACTA rejected by EU parliament

Tobias Oelgarte, 05/07/2012 00:28: Not really. The first big protests started at the end of the year 2011, while the blackout was from 18th to 19th January 2012. But in some way it might have helped to strengthen the protests and to prolong the duration. This says something about it.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] New, lower traffic, announcements only email list for Wikimedia developers

Amir E. Aharoni, 11/07/2012 15:40: And the possible change would be for wikitech-ambassadors to become a medium-to-high-traffic, plain English, list for discussion between developers and Wikimedia users, to report issues, share ideas and provide feedback in unapologetically layman terms. The "Amb

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] New, lower traffic, announcements only email list for Wikimedia developers

Amir E. Aharoni, 12/07/2012 12:42: What's needed is a medium to announce important impending technical changes, which require local changes. [...] We could just blame the projects for not caring enough, or we could come up with a more effective solution. You're right that this is an important

[Wikimedia-l] Feedback page

I don't know if there will be an official survey, but beceause nobody had created it yet, and until everyone has things fresh in their memory, I've started a feedback page listing the main topics from previous years'. Please list all your thoughts! https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Feedb

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FAQ - Board Resolution on Personal Image Hiding Feature

Bishakha Datta, 16/07/2012 18:53: At our in-person board meeting of 11 July 2012, the vote on this was provisionally recorded at 9-1, with Jimmy voting against. Jimmy has since changed his vote to a yes, on reviewing an FAQ accompanying this resolution which notes that the board is willing to app

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FAQ - Board Resolution on Personal Image Hiding Feature

Dan Rosenthal, 16/07/2012 20:01: It's like you read the first 14 words, ignored everything else, and twisted it around until it doesn't even resemble what he actually said Oh really? What does it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans

ENWP Pine, 07/07/2012 11:32: 2. May I ask what the rationale is for proposing that global bans be decided via global community consensus on Meta, instead what appears to be the status quo of stewards making decisions about global bans based on requests at SRG? This is very simple. Global bloc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Further resolutions from board meeting of 11 July 2012

Bishakha Datta, 20/07/2012 18:43: The minutes from four board meetings held on 21 March (IRC), 30-31 March (in-person), May 7 (IRC), June 6 (IRC) were also approved. These are available at:http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes Please let us know if you have any questions. Thank you. I've

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Further resolutions from board meeting of 11 July 2012

Cristian Consonni, 21/07/2012 20:28: The link to Mr. Weber's bio[*] is broken. Cristian [*]http://www.sloan.org/bio/item/13 It worked till a couple hours ago I think. :/ Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Geolocalization improvement proposal

birgitte...@yahoo.com, 23/07/2012 14:28: I am unaware of what the shortcomings of the current system are and where any improvements would be felt. This makes it a bit hard to have a firm opinion of the trade-offs involved with changing the system. So what exactly are the problems people are ha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Geolocalization improvement proposal

birgitte...@yahoo.com, 23/07/2012 19:27: On Jul 23, 2012, at 7:42 AM, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" wrote: birgitte...@yahoo.com, 23/07/2012 14:28: I am unaware of what the shortcomings of the current system are and where any improvements would be felt. This makes it a bit hard to h

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Grant Advisory Committee Expanded

As the GAC doesn't actually take any decision, nor handles any private data (it seems), I don't see why it should require identification. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailma

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Apparently, Wikipedia is ugly

Svip, 14/07/2012 16:04: I love it when people who have no idea what they are talking about, [...] I love it when someone starts a thread like this, because we always talk about how horrible our wikis are and we end up with yet another shiny Magnus tool which proves how amazing and open they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Apparently, Wikipedia is ugly

Thomas Morton, 25/07/2012 22:04: We also need to be understanding of the "99%" - the ones who just want to read. Our interface should suit the reader - with a prominent prompt to edit. Which once clicked opens things up into the world of editing Wikipedia. But if you don't click that prompt the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania Scholarships process

Jessie Wild, 26/07/2012 00:54: Hello everyone! We are in need of revamping the Wikimania Scholarships Process, and your help is needed! Please participate in the discussion on meta[1]: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/Scholarships There's plenty of feedback also on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

Keegan Peterzell, 29/07/2012 08:29: For editing, that is. I have what I presume to be my obituary on the wiki: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Kpeterzell The situation of WMFwiki is indeed frustrating, but could we avoid OT in this thread? Unless it's a subtle strategy to make the t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

Florence Devouard, 29/07/2012 13:37: But seriously... I would feel fine with us trying to claim that the GEP is the largest system effort to INCREASE the number of articles. It is probably true. But we all know that the result is... so and so. Possibly good content, but also lot's of crap being

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

Amir E. Aharoni, 29/07/2012 20:27: In the 2012-13 WMF plan document I saw an interesting thing: "We’ve hosted key community stakeholders such as English Wikipedia’s ArbCom and Portuguese Wikipedia’s top contributors, in an effort to better understand and respond to issues they're facing." (page 4

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

Amir E. Aharoni, 29/07/2012 21:35: I'm not sure I like the idea of "key community stakeholders" Well, this sends us back to Tom Morris' classic post: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-February/118759.html But that's a different topic. Is it really only a problem of langua

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

Thomas Dalton, 29/07/2012 23:01: On 29 July 2012 21:52, Steven Walling wrote: Our blog post reporting back on the trip to Brazil is here, in English and Portuguese: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/03/22/brazil-meetups-march/ That reads like it was a meeting with a selection of Brazilian Wikip

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

Tilman Bayer, 29/07/2012 18:28: Regarding the "normal levels", I suppose you haven't yet had a chance to look at http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors ? Yes and it shows that there's still an increase over the pre-WLM situation. Actually I was reading

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

phoebe ayers, 30/07/2012 18:52: I'm not sure if in the long term focusing on specific language communities and recruiting fellows is the sustainable answer for the WMF -- actually I'm pretty sure it isn't -- but I also don't think it can hurt to try and build a deep (and as Amir notes cross-proje

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project

Amir E. Aharoni, 31/07/2012 08:35: Hello, There are many projects in small languages. People want to develop them, but are often not sure what should they do. Even something basic like "improve existing pages and write new ones" may not be obvious. Is there something like a "task list for new p

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project

Deryck Chan, 31/07/2012 12:23: In addition, village pump, admin noticeboard and help desks are overrated; they're much better dealt with being one centralised discussion board to begin with, then split if there's adequate participation. Overrated? Most wikis don't have any of those [allegedly]!

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project

Milos Rancic, 31/07/2012 12:53: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: * Create useful templates, like {{welcome}, {{citation needed}}, {{infobox}}, {{delete}} etc. Wikidata should fix the issue with templates. Thus, soon the manual should be fixed with "translate templates <

Re: [Wikimedia-l] COI+ certification proposal

Yann Forget, 01/08/2012 13:13: I have suggested some basic rules about this on the French WP, but not only they were blankly rejected, but I was barred from mentioning the whole subject. The first step against CoI is making the editors conscious that, because of their profession, background, cult

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project

MZMcBride, 01/08/2012 03:10: [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/BOTOVERUSE#History has most of the history, though I could swear a project or two has been "restarted" due to bots over-running the site. Does anyone have a citation for that? A citation for what? Anyway, the section seems correct

[Wikimedia-l] Board pages on WMF wiki

A few days ago, along with the new trustee's biographies, a lengthy text has been added (three times) to , under the mysterious title "Tenure Accomplishments", mentioning an unheard-of "new format" for bios. As thi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

Tilman Bayer, 08/04/2012 12:02 AM: On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Tilman Bayer, 29/07/2012 18:28: Regarding the "normal levels", I suppose you haven't yet had a chance to look at http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors ? Yes an

[Wikimedia-l] Dozens of Wikipedias still not using the "new" logo

It's been more than two years since the new Wikipedia logo has been produced, but dozens of wikis are still using the old one (sometimes not even a localised version at all), see for the missing pieces. Without Cary and Casey, moreover, nobody i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX and such

Richard Farmbrough, 08/16/2012 11:56 AM: The key improvement needed (and WAP has made this evident to more people) is to stop wasting real estate on more and more nested top bars and side bars. Even with a modern 15.2 inch laptop many pages have threir contents squeezed enough by the OS, browser

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikiEN-l] "Stocking personal details"

charles andrès, 08/20/2012 12:27 PM: WTF? What the link between WMF finances and the topic? And by the way are you talking about the movement finances or the foundation finances, because it's not the same thing. Besides, we're supposed to have higher privacy standards than, say, Google and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide RFC closing in 3,2,...

Alice Wiegand, 23/08/2012 23:55: And here's a very short note about the next steps: The board is reviewing the RfC and its talk page over the next week. We are going to share our thoughts with you soon on the RfC's talk page. Please feel free to leave comments there, that's still possible and wil

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia engineering August 2012 report

Tilman Bayer, 05/09/2012 02:52: Rupert raises an interesting point. How many people prefer such mailing list announcements of new reports to include a plaintext version of the report itself? Usually I'm very more likely to read something if it's directly in the email, however long; a link mean

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

Once concluded, the RFC process revealed the community’s desire to see a new travel project created. The Wikimedia Foundation Board supports the community’s decision and is moving forward with the creation of this new project. Is this a valid announcement from the WMF board before the official

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

FT2, 12/09/2012 11:13: 1) Does IB believe there is a legal basis that members of the public (in the absence of contractual obligation) cannot consider where they and their fellow hobbyists want to engage in a hobbyisyt activity, be it drinking beer, discussing philosophy, playing cards, or writin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

FT2, 12/09/2012 13:09: 2. A clerk is an employee with a contractual obligation of loyalty. Nobody is suggesting that is the case here, or an IB staffer was involved. Nobody except IB of course. Deryck Chan, 12/09/2012 12:42: > I'm glad that WMF has decided to file a counter-suit and he

Re: [Wikimedia-l] the hidden toolbox

Well, this was discussed at length in 2010 (one of the threads was started by yourself): e.g. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/45758 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/46089 The big question is still valid: just hiding what's found to be used less makes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] commons promotion

Andrew Gray, 19/09/2012 10:35: Yes, this is definitely an issue. My recollection was that the "unwanted content" issue was seen as secondary to the debates about placement, but it's many years ago ;-) Agree entirely on testing and having a sense of the cost-benefit ratio. One feature of the old

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing language wide

it.wiki is extremely strict as regards usernames which contain or equal the names of entities or internet domains (blocked on sight); editing articles about yourself is strongly discouraged but not forbidden; COI is a tough matter and there are no clear rules. Discussions on similar transparen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transparency about Wikimania costs

Itzik Edri, 21/09/2012 21:33: I published here Wikimania 2011 costs & income: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/2011/Budget Thank you very much for starting this discussion and publishing this. In the past I've had a really hard time finding some data, e.g. for 2009 all I found is this:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access "catastrophic" for Elsevier

Tim Starling, 24/09/2012 04:24: According to the PDF, each published article costs them 1954 GBP, and brings in a revenue of 3256 GBP. A very nice business to be in. They already charge the authors a processing fee of 2000 GBP per article, so they could break even with open access, without increa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access "catastrophic" for Elsevier

Cristian Consonni, 27/09/2012 00:40: 2012/9/26 Andrea Zanni : On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:08 AM, emijrp wrote: Coordinating people to write encyclopedias was expensive. Well, until 2001. I'll have a tshirt with this. Mee too, mee too. ->

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia engineering August 2012 report

Guillaume Paumier, 03/10/2012 17:36: I'm happy to do that, but do Wikimedia mailing lists support HTML e-mails? We receive them all the time, I suppose so (although sometimes pipermail will move the HTML to an attachment). Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mai

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF core and non core expenses

In short, don't worry about what's "core" or "non core", those are just words (like calling horses "fishes" and vice versa). The WMF runs the FDC process and of course decides also what are its boundaries. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFT5: what practical benefits has it had?

Dario Taraborelli, 06/09/2012 23:47: The complete reports on WMF research on AFT5 can be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Article_feedback The tool is currently deployed on a random 10% sample of English Wikipedia articles so it's not surprising most readers/editors don't see

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFT5: what practical benefits has it had?

Dario Taraborelli, 12/10/2012 15:41: On Oct 12, 2012, at 2:11, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" wrote: we have some preliminary usage data coming from the FeedbackPage: http://toolserver.org/~dartar/fp/ Graphs are empty for me there, is it just me? We have a temporary hardware issue aff

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFT5: what practical benefits has it had?

phoebe ayers, 14/10/2012 21:19: Also, not to state the obvious, but 'helpful' feedback in and of itself doesn't mean the article changed for the better; I've marked plenty of feedback 'helpful' without doing anything further about it. Is there any data about rate of change of the articles since A

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed Wikimedia Medicine Thematic Organisation

Thanks for the notice. Bence Damokos, 14/10/2012 19:07: A bit of background: Wikimedia thematic organisations are a new type of movement organisation, that are similar to chapters in supporting the Wikimedia mission through their activities in the real world, but instead of focusing on a given c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed Wikimedia Medicine Thematic Organisation

Bence Damokos, 14/10/2012 22:05: See also the specific discussions on this question at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Medicine#Other http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Medicine#Liability http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iridescent#arbitrary_break_2 (and above) T

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed Wikimedia Medicine Thematic Organisation

James Heilman, 14/10/2012 22:18: Thematic organizations have the same amount of authority over content on Wikipedia as chapters. To spell this out clearly that means NONE. One does not put these sorts of details in a NGOs by laws [...] Actually, chapters do and very clearly, as a general rule.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed Wikimedia Medicine Thematic Organisation

Tomasz Ganicz, 14/10/2012 22:36: 2012/10/14 James Heilman: Thematic organizations have the same amount of authority over content on Wikipedia as chapters. To spell this out clearly that means NONE. One does not put these sorts of details in a NGOs by laws however this will be clearly described i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Throttling (was: Re: Please can someone put 50p in the meter)

WereSpielChequers, 15/10/2012 09:56: 60 edits a minute sounds high, and probably faster than most of these sessions run at, but not if it is as I suspect, calculated every few seconds. It's not, as far as I can see. This is how it works: (s

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copy and paste

How hard would it be to set up a tool like the software that as far as I know the MIT uses to automatically check plagiarism among thesis etc. submitted to their digital library, checking the text of all Wikimedia projects against e.g. newspaper websites and Google Books, and then publishing th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Upcoming: WMF metrics/activities meeting - November 1

Nice. Erik Moeller, 19/10/2012 01:28: [1] I'm open to just using #wikimedia or another channel if folks would prefer that, but didn't want to assume that it's OK to hog the channel :) #wikimedia is surely perfect, especially if you want to attract attention of idlers without disturbing anyone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Improving dialogue between editors and "tech people"

David Gerard, 26/10/2012 11:06: Note the suggestion: set aside $1m of tech resources for community-chosen work. Heck, projects other than Wikipedia might get the slightest attention. WMDE has done this since 2010 with WissenWert and they budgeted 250.000 € for 2013, they'd surely have the com

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Improving dialogue between editors and "tech people"

Nicole Ebber, 26/10/2012 13:11: Thanks, Nemo, but WissensWert is not the same as the Community Project Budget. WissensWert is a contest for projects also from out of the Wikimedia scope and with a budget of less than 5.000 Euros per project. http://wikimedia.de/wiki/Wissenswert Community Projec

[Wikimedia-l] Romney and copyright

If the question is indiscreet/offtopic forgive me and ignore it/more it another list, but: what are Romney's views on copyright? I read on today's Financial Times Europe (p. 4) that he has a couple millions dollars invested on Hollywood funds, so is it pessimistic to say that he must hold horrib

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Romney and copyright

MZMcBride, 29/10/2012 16:12: Regarding Mr. Romney in particular, he seems to be very pro-corporation/pro-business, so I don't expect any major changes to copyright law should he be elected President. You mean except extension of copyright protection over Mickey Mouse to 120 years? :p Nemo _

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF

ENWP Pine, 01/11/2012 10:14: Since we're veering anyway, I would like to make a distinction between providing openness and providing notice. To the best of my ability to see, Sue's deliberations weren't announced here on Wikimedia-l by anyone from WMF. There's nothing strange in this, it's only

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

Just reiterating for the n-th time on this list that people would appreciate if you publicly shared draft bylaws amendments before approving them. The consistent lack of transparency in such fundamental decisions within the WMF is always astonishing. After the fact, I'd appreciate a readable r

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikivoyage EDP draft

In the meanwhile there are other drafts to review. ;-) Nemo Messaggio originale Oggetto: Re: [Wikivoyage-l] Migration update Data: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:23:16 -0400 Mittente: Powers Rispondi-a: Wikivoyage Mailing List A: 'Wikivoyage Mailing List' Formal WMF approval is not re

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board vote on narrowing focus

Samuel Klein, 02/11/2012 16:01: * Institutional support for the GLAM related activities in the US (until the US Federation is fully functional, if ever) I agree there is room for a global GLAM support for regions that don't have local [chapter] organization. Why do you feel this is a special

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

Bishakha Datta, 02/11/2012 17:08: On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Benjamin Lees wrote: This doesn't seem too unreasonable in itself, but it is somewhat surprising that you didn't readjust the board's composition accordingly. The justification for having unelected seats is to ensure that the bo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Democratizing the Wikimedia Foundation

Thomas Dalton, 03/11/2012 13:51: Transparency is necessary for democracy, but it is only one part of it. I think Lodewijk wants to discuss ways of involving the community in the Foundation's governance, not just ways to keep it informed. On the other hand, transparency's true aim is to involve

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Democratizing the Wikimedia Foundation

Ilario Valdelli, 03/11/2012 14:11: For this reason I would not speak about democracy because there are people in the WMF board elected by the communities and by the chapters. I would speak about transparency in order to give to these representatives the opportunity to be clearer. As Nathan note

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Democratizing the Wikimedia Foundation

Anders Wennersten, 03/11/2012 14:43: [...] undramatize the role of the Board Frankly, I think it's certainly not needed to "dramatize" it even less than it currently is (i.e. to increase its rubberstamping hall appearance). Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Democratizing the Wikimedia Foundation

Anders Wennersten, 03/11/2012 15:32: I do no understand. If they have a "rubberstamping hall appearance" who is then perceived as having the power to decide. And do you mean the preparation process is so excellent so no direct action is needed by the Board (which I would take to be the ultimat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

Risker, 06/11/2012 03:26: On 5 November 2012 20:01, John Vandenberg wrote: Bylaw changes are never housekeeping. [snp] Somewhere in 500,000 bytes, do you really think there was any likelihood that there would have been anything posted that would have improved this housekeeping chang

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

Risker, 06/11/2012 09:40: On 6 November 2012 03:07, Florence Devouard wrote: Errr. No. At least historically, this is incorrect. Michael Davis was the first treasurer of the board (appointed by Jimbo at the beginning of the WMF). After some time, Michael announced his desire to quit the board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

Crossposting is tricky – Sue's answer didn't reach wikimedia-l as far as I can see. From http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-November/064281.html : Hi K. Peachey, Generally speaking, the WMF posts and boards for every vacancy. (I think there's a policy document somewhere t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

Thank you, Erik. Before (or rather than) commenting, I have a single question below; the rest of the email is just a premise+addendum to it. ;-) Terry Chay, 07/11/2012 21:04: You aren't the only one. It turns out we use a lot of industry terminology, without realizing that we are poorl

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

Sue Gardner, 08/11/2012 07:03: > I kind of have the sense that people are considering this a done deal. [...] > > So to be super-clear: None of this is a done deal at this moment. Lots > of conversations are happening in various places, and it's all good. > That's why Erik made the pre-announcem

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

Roland Unger, 17/10/2012 11:11: It's correct that the dumps of all languages from August 2012 are available at Wikivoyage saved as XML files. But these files could not be used to publish them immediately because they contain a lot of spam which must be removed by the community before. But the co

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

Roland Unger, 12/11/2012 07:46: Hi folks, the Wikivoyage e.V. got the xml files of more language versions, I think also for es, fi, hu, ja, pl, pt, ro and zh from user Wrh2. Where are they? Again, please publish them. I saw pt running. The initStats maintenance scripts for pt shows: Countin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: FDC recommendations on funds allocation, Round 1, 2012-13

Lodewijk, 15/11/2012 23:28: Some people told me that the other reasons were obvious if I would have read the plans. I strongly disagree that reading the proposals should be necessary to understand the decision of the FDC. [...] Don't worry, reading the entities' proposals and associated talks

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A place for project wide discussions

etto: Wikivoyage pages on Meta-Wiki Data: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:25:05 +0100 Mittente: Federico Leva (Nemo) A: Wikivoyage Mailing List I've moved [[Travel Guide]] to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage per talk request. Now https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikivoyage should be the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A place for project wide discussions

Stefan Fussan, 16/11/2012 14:23: @Nemo: Of course. Just one page called lounge or whatever is too small. You can take all the pages you want, if you're talking of available space to write. (Usually, the less pages you use the better it is, because then more people will have them watchlisted.)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A place for project wide discussions

Andrew Gray, 16/11/2012 16:43: On 16 November 2012 15:30, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: But I think the point (at leat originally) was not so much to have the global discussion forum or the global village pump, but to have a common place for Wikivoyage discussions, which so far were held on the o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC recommendations on funds allocation, Round 1, 2012-13

Thomas Dalton, 16/11/2012 13:25: I was also expecting a much more detailed report. I remember having a discussion with Anasuya about the timetable and I pointed out that she hadn't scheduled enough time for writing up the report. If she was thinking of a report like this one, then I can see why w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia España patrocina el VII Concurso Universitario de Software Libre

Itzik Edri, 18/11/2012 22:10: Short translation in English will be recommended. However, it's also pretty like this: English only is monotonous. ;-) And imperfect information (even to romance languages speakers only) is better than nothing. Nemo _

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