I think that is a very dismissive misreading of the discussion.
Some people have it in their heads that appears in reliable sources
equates to article-worthiness, but the problem here is that the doings
of celebrities is covered in excruciating detial by the media, including
what tey eat,
Try
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/10/russian-wikipedia-shut-down-protest?INTCMP=SRCH
It is quite possible, as in China, political censorship is the actual
purpose, and pornography, and whatever, is just the excuse.
Fred
On 11/07/12 09:40, Milos Rancic wrote:
Yep, I forgot it. BTW,
Folks, if this has already been brought to the List, please excuse the
repetition. If not, enjoy;
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/09/romneys-running-mate-some-say-
wikipedia-holds-the-answer/?nl=usemc=edit_cn_20120810
Marc Riddell
They probably got that out of Wikipedia, see
Spotted this in my news feed,
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57514677-93/corruption-in-wikiland-paid-pr-scandal-erupts-at-wikipedia/
sincerely,
Kim Bruning
http://untrikiwiki.com/ Max Klein's wiki editing business
His blog response:
Well, the new law is now being considered for application to block
YouTube in Russia. Make of that, what you will.
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19648808
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]
I have never understood anyone who thinks that showing contempt for the
Prophet
On 4 January 2013 13:03, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
With respect to welcoming and assisting new users on the English
Wikipedia where there is a bewildering volume of varied activity by new
and experienced users it might be helpful if we had a recent changes
options that showed
,
compliment, or otherwise assist the new user. Obviously access to such a
recent changes option by those looking for trouble could also be used in
ways that would discourage the new user. Perhaps access could be limited
to only flagged newbie helpers.
Fred Bauder
It's the worst kept secret in the world that you can hire people to
decode your captchas -- http://decaptcha.biz/ for example. Better
captchas don't work because you are competing against people and if
people can't solve the captcha ...
Middle name of Jimmy Wales has worked well for me.
On 09/01/13 10:03, Kim Bruning wrote:
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 07:45:41AM +, David Gerard wrote:
Right. So anyone in this thread going into detail about en:wp policies
is actually not addressing this, and the problem is on a higher level?
:-/ Back to the drawing board. That actually
Socialization is usually best achieved through rewards rather than
through punishments. The principle reward is a sense of achievement when
good editing is done or good administrative work done. In the case of
editing the reward, absent trouble, is instantaneous as your work is
published.
Fred
: edits containing personal identifying information may be
deleted or suppressed under our policies and can be retrieved later only
under the terms of a court order, so, obviously, get them before they are
hidden.
Fred Bauder
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The primary goal of the Church of Reason, Phaedrus said, is always
Socrates's old goal of truth, in its ever-changing forms, as it is
revealed by the process of rationality.
I'm sorry, but that ship sailed long ago. Wikipedia is compendium of
information published in reliable sources. You
Le 2013-03-11 11:45, Andrea Zanni a écrit :
I feel obliged to remind you of this splendid talk from Lessig on
Aaaron's
Laws.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=9HAw1i4gOU4
Here you can find the transcript (with slides and everything)
for closing both the internal wiki and the
internal mailing list: IMO there's nothing on either that needs to be
confidential.
Thanks,
Sue
Yes, our work needs to be pubic and accessible.
Fred Bauder USA
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Hard to know what was involved from the information you provide. The
problem is there is classified information that amounts to nothing and
then there is classified information release of which can cause serious
damage. Defiance will eventually result in serious trouble. Not that we
should knuckle
, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net
wrote:
Hard to know what was involved from the information you provide. The
problem is there is classified information that amounts to nothing and
then there is classified information release of which can cause
serious damage. Defiance
for a
distance. It's got a civilian radio/TV tower colocated with it.
I can't see what would be sensitive in the article..
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net
wrote:
Typical. They were not willing to tell our legal counsel why or what
was
classified; she
The value would be obvious if Wikipedia were a for profit company listed
on the stock markets. Not that it would have a real value identical to a
computation based on imagined advertising revenue. It is in the billions
though.
Fred
Hi all,
Last weekend we had a discussion about how to 'sell'
Don't worry. Any one who has thought about this sort of thing much has
come away more puzzled than when they began. What for example is the
value of a cigarette? The price is rather easy.
Fred
(sorry, this came off a bit too sharp :) Thanks for all the input,
anything
is better than nothing
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wrote:
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine_w...@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:31:29, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net
wrote:
I can't see what would be sensitive in the article..
I think that the existence of the article is considered too sensitive
Weapons design is obvious; however much intelligence is about rather
ordinary military capability and deployment. We seem to be doing poorly,
from the intelligence standpoint responsibly, regarding laser weapons,
the next big thing I don't think much has been published in public
reliable sources,
This is closely tied to software which is being developed, some of it
secretly, to enable machines to understand and use language. As of now
this will be government and corporate owned and controlled. I say closely
tied because that is how translation works; only someone or something
that
All European languages, with the exception of Basque, are essentially one
language with different vocabulary. MT should generally work, but needs
help as the example shows. The big, and perhaps insurmountable, problem
comes with trying to use it with say, Hopi, which assigns meanings in a
wholly
On 9 May 2013 12:19, Anthony Cole ahcole...@gmail.com wrote:
In your hypothetical case of Russian only being spoken in one country
that
censors how to smoke marijuana information:
If you insist on leaving a paragraph on how to make a bong in the
Russian-language Marijuana smoking article,
On 05/09/2013 07:19 AM, Anthony Cole wrote:
We would be failing in our mission to disseminate educational
information
effectively and globally if, due to an ideological attachment to
NOTCENSORED, we took the former option.
You're saying this as though those things were orthogonal to each
I've also done a great deal of editing of Tibetan articles. I wish there
was a way to transport you back in time to old Tibet.
Fred
Highlighting the fact that such an old hand was making a rookie-like
mistake was actually, y'know, the point.
From: dger...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013
Florence,
I agree with you almost completely, but I would also note that it is also
partially about the user's thought processes and business norms that
determine how fast it is. My employer, for instance, has a wiki that's
meant to be a collaborative resource where disparate elements from
We could create a Facebook page, Wikipedia Chill, where only positive
interactions are permitted...
Only half joking here. We can consciously design interactions in terms of
their emotional tenor should we chose to. In an example taken from life,
we can keep vicious dogs for the effect they have
I agree that patience is a very important virtue in some situations, such
as when we coach newbies or seek consensus among many people. But it's
sometimes not a virtue, such as in many crisis situations. As a metrics
and performance enthusiast, I feel that it's possible to have an
appropriate
I think that is a pretty good analysis of the entire project. It is
directly related to lack of editorial control and the impossibility of
being able to assign writers to problem areas.
Fred
I ran across this paragraph in the preface to O'Reilly's new book
Encyclopedia of Electronic
Also, classic Marxism. Draw your own conclusions and parallels as you see
fit.
Oh, didn't know if anyone else would see that:
http://en.communpedia.org/Lyrics:Somebody_Will
Fred
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copyright?
Copyright Sassafrass As it is a song there are special rules for
commercial performances, like if you cover it. Cover means sing a song
you did no write yourself like on a recording.
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On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at
All edits and other actions are archived, but I would think there would
be zero interest or utility to NSA. I would simply ignore the matter.
Fred
This is a simple question with a potentially very complicated answer.
What, if any, are the implications of the PRISM scandal for Wikimedia?
help put at ease people worries :)
--
Christophe
On 10 June 2013 03:34, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
All edits and other actions are archived, but I would think there would
be zero interest or utility to NSA. I would simply ignore the matter.
Fred
This is a simple question
There is plenty of reason to think the government would be interested in
Wikipedia access logs.
On the other hand, there's very little reason to believe an organization
when they say they haven't been turning over information under a top
secret
order which they're not allowed to tell anyone
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net
wrote:
Everything passing over the internet is archived. Nearly everything done
at Wikipedia passes over the internet.
Encrypted, if you're using https everywhere (and Wikipedia hasn't
intentionally or unintentionally
They tap directly into the internet backbone. Only if there is some
particular matter which interests them which they would need our help to
decipher would they contact the Foundation. There are a few things out
there that I can imagine them being interested in, but very few. For
example, there
You are right, Anthony, never assume you're not dealing with idiots. If
NSA is doing doing detailed surveillance of Tea Party activists or
defense lawyers we are truly well along the road to hell.
Fred
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net
wrote:
Correct
National Security Letters have been served on Libraries. However, as we
keep no track whatever off who is reading the site; it is hard to see how
serving one on us would accomplish anything; we can't produce records we
don't keep. I suppose a secret court order could be applied for which
would
It would be good *if* the WMF can provide assurances to editors that
they havent received any national security letters or other 'trawling'
requests from any U.S. agency.
If the WMF has received zero such requests, can the WMF say that?
There wouldn't be any gag order.
Forwarded to legal at wikimedia.org
Fred
I think the key here is not to keep more information about users than
necessary.
Of course, there is the question of if the NSA asks for our checkuser
data.
I am relatively confident of WMF's honesty here. They have been pretty
concerned about
They tap directly into the internet backbone. Only if there is some
particular matter which interests them which they would need our help to
decipher would they contact the Foundation. There are a few things out
there that I can imagine them being interested in, but very few. For
example, there
David Gerard wrote:
On 10 June 2013 18:01, Rand McRanderson therands...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the key here is not to keep more information about users than
necessary.
In particular - at present. as I understand it, we don't keep full
access logs, just 1/1000 samples.
We need to not keep
Le 2013-06-10 14:29, Craig Franklin a écrit :
If the NSA, CIA, or some other spook agency is getting information
off of
Wikimedia servers, they don't have a CU account or anything like
that.
They'd have a program running at the operating system level that
extracts
the data in a
We can guess, of course, and some of us are very good guessers, but here:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=5-basic-unknowns-nsa-black-hole-prism
Fred
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Le 2013-06-11 14:09, Fred Bauder a écrit :
There will always be humans maintaining the system who must, in order to
do their work, have potential access to everything.
A potential access to everything is a so vast and vague assertion
that it practicaly denote nothing.
Also, one could come
Fred Bauder, 12/06/2013 22:47:
We hack network backbones  like huge internet routers, basically Â
that
give us access to the communications of hundreds of thousands of
computers without having to hack every single one,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/12/edward-snowden-us
I would like to raise the option of a more Wikipedia-like protest. How
about, on the English Wikipedia, picking one day to make the Main Page
topic-specific, similar to the traditional April 1 selection?
Candidates, off the top of my hat:
[[NSA]] / [[Black Chamber]]
[[PRISM (surveillance
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Andy Mabbett
a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote:
PRISM
From @ShammaBoyarin on Twitter: Its not as if the NSA were mass
downloading articles from JSTOR.
Certainly if the evidence showed that the NSA were breaking into wiring
closets and hacking into computer
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Fred Bauder
fredb...@fairpoint.netwrote:
(Yes, you can speculate that they're probably doing this too, but
this
particular scandal is the NSA getting information from computer
networks
with the permission of the computer owners, not despite the owners
The reporting in the UK is that it is aimed at 'foreigners'. I think that
is us! Of course that may be for domestic US consumption.
Yes, the thing is, we are an international organization, and, frankly, we
don't vet people politically before they can create an account or edit.
Our trust system
or ever used
or how is another matter.
Fred
Op zaterdag 22 juni 2013 schreef Fred Bauder (fredb...@fairpoint.net) het
volgende:
The GCHQ mass tapping operation has been built up over five years by
attaching intercept probes to transatlantic fibre-optic cables where
they
land on British shores
would be of interest to an intelligence agencies focused on
actual threats.
Fred
Where is that question in this topic?
Huib
Op zaterdag 22 juni 2013 schreef Fred Bauder (fredb...@fairpoint.net) het
volgende:
Can you please stop spamming Us With topics like this? Its not
Wikimedia
related
Rick Falkvinge has been writing a book, Swarmwise, on how the Pirate
Party organised. He's been posting it a chapter at a time to his blog.
You know how Wikipedia/Wikimedia has (or had) the meme that voting is
evil? This sets out why.
I don't get it. I was able to use a Wikipedia link to find a place to
download The Searchers, a John Ford film starring John Wayne in about 30
seconds. How is that not theft that we are facilitating?
Fred
Hi there,
two months after the smoking cannabis controversy, the Russian
Wikipedia is
On 07/09/2013 08:37 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:
How is that not theft that we are facilitating?
Because theft, is to deprive, temporarily or absolutely, the owner of
it, or a person who has a special property or interest in it, of the
thing or of his property or interest in it.
In some
On 9 July 2013 23:46, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
Well, not wanting to wade into that pirates' little helpers
snarkiness,
but it takes 30 seconds from anywhere on the web to find a copyright
violation. Maybe a bit longer if you have a slow connection.
Risker
True
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On 07/09/2013 08:37 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:
How
If you post a creative work on a website the purpose which is to share
files you have assumed the rights of the owner, one of which is to
determine the conditions which must be met to view or listen to the
work.
The owner can give his work away to the world but not third parties.
Fred
I just checked the archives. The original message was not received by the
mailing list, for whatever reason, probably misaddressed. This message of
inquiry is the first message in the tread. I think you should resend the
original message if your mail program permits that. Sounds interesting...
I just checked the archives. The original message was not received by the
mailing list, for whatever reason, probably misaddressed. This message of
inquiry is the first message in the tread. I think you should resend the
original message if your mail program permits that. Sounds interesting...
Resent so I have an original copy to reply to.
Dear All
It is certainly not news that a lot of deliberately biased editing goes on
on the Wikipedia. It is equally known that there are mechanims to address
these issues.
But that is where the problem lies - those intent on skewing information
I use Flickr as an example, but is it not the firwst time that I have
come
across this type of behaviour.
And so, tiny cliques and coteries flourish like fiefdoms in the blind
spots
of the mechanisms created to ensure that we all strive for the same
principes. What is worse, there are big
A case in point, the other day I was looking for images of mosquitos
sucking blood and and came across blatant pornography on Flickr. I added
a
few lines about pornography on Flickr and because it was reverted
Rui Correia.
The Flickr images you linked to, if it was you, were the sort one
It is this that is tarnishing the name of the Wikipedia and
driving away good editors.
Rui Correia.
When the going gets tough the tough get going. They don't throw their
hands up, vainly protest, then give up.
Possible conflict of interest is a legitimate concern; however, it is not
a
On 07/23/2013 02:03 PM, Todd Allen wrote:
I
don't think such a proposal would be hopeless on en.
How did dewiki circumvent the difficulties regarding attribution and
role accounts? Last I checked, our terms of use prohibit password
sharing, and IIRC Mike Godwin (legal counsel at the time)
Thanks Andreas
Iit didn't cross my mind that you would actually go and check - at the
time
the search terms were in Portuguese, so you will probably find different
results - If I find the original pic I will send it to you.
But more importantly, the porn on Flickr is a secondary issue -
As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much
lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to
Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people
experimenting with the new tools, rather than defending themselves from
them.
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net
wrote:
As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much
lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to
Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people
experimenting
on a machine loom
compares remotely with Navajo weaving.
Fred
On 26 July 2013 13:48, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much
lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to
Wikipedia, what happens now
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:13 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
de:wp convinced you. What would it take to convince you on en:wp? (I'm
asking for a clear objective criterion here. If you can only offer a
subjective one, please explain how de:wp convinced you when en:wp
hasn't.)
See attachment.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data
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See attachment.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data
the NSA has created a multi-tiered system that allows analysts to store
interesting content in other databases, such as one named Pinwale which
can store material for up to five years.
Fred
is this related to the foundation?
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net
wrote:
See attachment.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data
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I think it's more reasonable to assume that
Wikipedia (which shares many features with Google, Yahoo, Twitter,
Facebook and other social networks) has been the subject of this kind
of demand than that it hasn't. No one with direct knowledge would be
able to do anything other than deny it, but
I think it's more reasonable to assume that
Wikipedia (which shares many features with Google, Yahoo, Twitter,
Facebook and other social networks) has been the subject of this kind
of demand than that it hasn't. No one with direct knowledge would be
able to do anything other than deny it, but we
Dear Colleagues at the Foundation
I just came across an artecle called White Africans of European
ancestry.
What is that even supposed to mean? Who would be any other white
people
if not of Europen ancestry?
The Ainu people, not that it matters.
Fred
http://feedly.com/k/14WeLcY
I wish I was grossly misrepresenting the situation here. If I am, please
do
set me straight.
You're not wrong, but getting the attention of a federal prosecutor would
be easier for jaywalking in a National Park. It applies only to extreme
situations.
Fred
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Martijn Hoekstra
martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 21, 2013 8:56 AM, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote:
The account and/or underlying IP is
blocked. That is the technical
If you write or add to articles based on journal articles you might
complete this survey:
https://lsucommunications.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_0PTVlA7OUCLqkyV
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to observe the effect of focusing on past
outrages on public morale, but that is their burden to bear not ours to
share.
Fred
Hoi,
Fred, what is different in your scenario from what happens in the USA ?
Thanks,
GerardM
On 3 September 2013 00:23, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote
that it is
based
in the US is incidental.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 3 September 2013 14:36, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
Any censor from the United States or European governments that works
directly with us (I have no personal knowledge of this, I just know it
has to be) is concerned
I guess emergencies should not go to legal as there may be a considerable
delay.
Fred
Are there more successful attempts?
It would be difficult to enumerate successful attempts since, by
definition, they would have been successful at not being known. :-)
-- Marc
I once suppressed
Are there more successful attempts?
It would be difficult to enumerate successful attempts since, by
definition, they would have been successful at not being known. :-)
-- Marc
I once suppressed information about a troop movement underway in Iraq
after a request. Troop movements are
That was the purpose of the original arbitration committee. Finding a
mentor is kind of hard nowdays as there are so many users who might help
but probably will not. On the other hand, many requests I have received
and looked into are from people who are making trouble themselves;
sometimes very
That's Sweden all right, it's like a small town. Thousands of
administrators from scores of countries is another matter. Even requests
for administration is very difficult as, unless you do big time research,
or spend your life monitoring others edits and activity, you just don't
know much. Voting
For a serious discussion to happen you will need to disclose some
examples. The next step is to move beyond anecdote to see if there is a
general problem.
The particular incident Rui brought up has been pretty much explained,
but the question remains about have a new or casual editor who commits
folks
alike, and that everybody shall be able to contribute on equal
conditions, a more realistic organization to protect the users must be
put in place.
Regards
Lars Gardenius
Von: Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net
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Yes, that is pretty much the situation. The howls of outraged anguish
from those who were not able to dictate (really bad) content or practices
form the core of our organized opposition. That does not mean systemic
deficiencies don't exist; just that we must look and think in a noisy
environment.
OP = original poster, Rui
Sorry but I don't what/who OP is.
And you still misunderstand. This is not a question about consensus over
some article, it is about normal human behaviour, and that it sometimes
is not there. If you haven't seen that happening I don't know where you
have been
that
responsibility nor that power.
regards,
Lars Gardenius
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No thank you, I do not have a dispute; you do; please follow the dispute
resolution procedure.
Fred
Hi Tom
Thanks for your contribution. However, you seem to have missed the point.
So Lisa violates the 3RR principle and you lecture me. And I lodge a
complaint over the 3RR and that gets
Hi all,
I realize Resolution:Biographies of living people[1] implies this but I
fail to see any resolution that establishes neutral point of view as one
of
our non-negotiable values. I think there is merit in having an
over-arching
resolution on a Neutral Point of View policy.
I also
I am not disputing how settled it is but I don't think meta sufficiently
achieves expressing how settled this core value really is. As you stated
it
would be more of a restatement and re-emphasis of what already is a core
value.
-- ã¨ããç½ãç« (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
Yes, good idea,
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org
wrote:
...
I, for one, share your perception that NPOV is a problem on some
(perhaps
most) Wikipedias,
asaf, could you please elaborate a little bit what you mean by this?
do you not share the experience that the editors
I've been thinking about this. Wikipedia is a compilation of information
from sources that are generally considered reliable. The trouble is that
the information in those sources varies. Rather than deciding ourselves,
after all most of us are amateurs, what the truth is, we present all the
views
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, at 18:47, Fred Bauder wrote:
I've been thinking about this. Wikipedia is a compilation of
information
from sources that are generally considered reliable. The trouble is
that
the information in those sources varies. Rather than deciding
ourselves,
after all most of us
I have posted 4 sentences, kind of a draft of a draft of a draft.
It is very overwhelming for me to draft text with near-legal precision on
my own.
-- ã¨ããç½ãç« (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
I've added a bit. I'll do some copyediting later.
Fred
A nationalist point of view is not neutral point of view. I can imagine
what the dictator of Kazakstan considers a suitable article.
Fred
Yesterday Yuri, ED of WMUA (and my college in FDC) was interviewed in
the main morning program on Swedish Radio re the ua.wp contra ru:wp in
Ukraine and of
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