Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation management of volunteers

Honestly I cannot imagine a functional Wikipedia citing itself. Such Wikipedia would be so easy to trick. Vito Il giorno dom 16 giu 2019 alle ore 16:54 Martijn Hoekstra < martijnhoeks...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > I disagree that Wikipedia not considering Wikipedia as an admissible source > is ind

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation management of volunteers

I've never seen a self-citing encyclopedia. Given its open editing structure it would be so easy to game the system by creating a series of cross-references. In short forbidding citing Wikipedia on Wikipedia avoids such short-circuits. No text is 100% accurate, Wikipedia relies upon the bet that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banning real identities

Putting it simple WMF/functionaries/the community itself should take the less invasive actions needed to protect themselves. A public list of "persona non grata" for events is needed for sure, but I don't see any practical need to have it publicly shared. Vito Il giorno ven 5 lug 2019 alle ore 1

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Huhall] Viola wikipedia

That's the reason why the idea of "reciprocating" via Wikipedia is always wrong. Vito Il giorno gio 3 ott 2019 alle ore 11:27 Antoine Musso ha scritto: > On 01/10/2019 17:46, Samuel Klein wrote: > > From a Harvard biology list, via my friend Chris: a newly named species > of > > Viola

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [LGBT] Best practices for awarding scholarships

Making their data publicly available? Yiiikes! Vito Il giorno lun 7 ott 2019 alle ore 22:39 Lane Rasberry ha scritto: > Hello, > > I have wished that eventually when people apply for scholarships or even > when they attend wiki events they create profiles for themselves in > Wikidata so tha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

Hard to tell anything without the relevant link(s). Vito Il giorno mer 19 feb 2020 alle ore 22:35 Andy Mabbett < a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> ha scritto: > I have just come across a case on en.Wikipedia where the daughter of > an article subject added details of his funeral (his death in 1984,w >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

k> ha scritto: > On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 20:36, Vi to wrote: > > > > Hard to tell anything without the relevant link(s). > > For you, maybe. Others have already given helpful replies. > > My question was generic, and not about the specific case I gave as an > exam

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Surveys using third party tools on Wikimedia projects

People living in these countries already know which services they can use and which one they shouldn't. We don't actually expose them to threats by, instead, we prevent them from using the feature relying upon these services. Several users probably won't trust these services even if our legal agree

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

Same with consensus from logged-out users to implement MV. I have no strong feelings about the issue (anons shouldn't be affected by MV side effects but also MV is almost useless on Commons) but well, consensus cannot be ignored. Vito 2016-03-14 15:28 GMT+01:00 Marc A. Pelletier : > On 16-03-14

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

Oh I missed dates, this is a good point then. Ignoring a wide community consensus is *always* a mistake. Final decisions might even diverge from consensus but *ignoring* is the worst way. Vito 2016-03-14 21:31 GMT+01:00 Michael Peel : > That's a good point. I've started a discussion on Commons'

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

Anytime a new linguistic group joins Wiki* we should expect a looong September which will sooner or later end. Meanwhile what might become *so* problematic (and then must be stopped asap) is the usage of Commons as a file sharing platform. There

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who runs the Wikimedia Shop ?

Above all hosting a shop means: *production on demand: no "risks" but products become more expensive and slow to deliver *warehousing: means immobilizing a certain amount of money at the risk to accumulate unsold items. IMHO an internal shop would be justified by turnover at least 10 times greater

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

Personally I'd say "it's 100% wrong" but "not 100% to blame". I've just made https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130761 IMHO we need to address the problem form a technical point of view, implicitly discarding "block'em all" options. Vito 2016-03-23 19:42 GMT+01:00 Keegan Peterzell : > On Wed, M

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

It's ordinary countervandalism, honestly I cannot find anything questionable but maybe a missed something. Vito 2016-03-24 9:04 GMT+01:00 David Emrany : > Dear Gerard > > Correspondingly, what I find unconscionable for us is that a small > group of Commons editors /admins congregated on the talk

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What New Thing is WMF Doing w. Cookies, & Why is Legal Involved?

Edits didn't affect the content of the policy actually. Also a cookie policy is essentially a legal stuff, I'd be surprised to *don't *see the legal team editing it. As a "sockpuppet investigator" I never rely upon cookies, I prefer fingerprints and social security numbers. Vito 2016-05-01 23:40

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The end

I'm not a regular at the English Wikipedia so I don't have any background about what did happen to you. I spend a fair amount of my spare time editing wikis but fuck off the wiki, it's just a virtual world. All this happened to your virtual identity not to you! Vito 2016-05-17 14:44 GMT+02:00 Chr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are articles being deleted?

As a deletion I'd say we totally lost at en.wiki, we can maybe tie on other wikis. Life is never B/W, grey is everywhere. Vito 2016-06-25 12:18 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen : > Hoi, > The English deletionists may be winning. Thank (include your deity) for > Wikidata. We can include much more and,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are articles being deleted?

My activity at en.wiki only deals with crosswiki abuse and lta "management". So don't be afraid of me but frainkly I don't find your startup incubator to be notable. In other words I don't find it to be something I expect to find on an encyclopedia. Vito 2016-06-26 9:57 GMT+02:00 Mitar : > Hi! >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF C level hiring and retention

+1 on train & promote. Vito 2016-08-14 4:38 GMT+02:00 James Heilman : > Only the CTO position is empty. All of the rest are filled with very > competent interims who may simply be transitioned into permanent. I like it > that people who prove themselves to be excellent can move up within the WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] LGBT+ safety considerations for conference venues

IMHO we should divide criteria into two categories, reflecting two different kind of issue: *someone *cannot* partecipate because of a certain issue -> the proposal is rejected *someone may not feel comfortable in partecipating -> the proposal is somehow penalized In other words, if LGBT people i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] LGBT+ safety considerations for conference venues

We can share knowledge without meetings, we cannot share knowledge without our community. If some of our community cannot be safe well...who cares of meetings then? Vito 2016-10-18 15:26 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen : > Hoi, > For me safety is to a large extend secondary to what we aim to achieve.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How should security of Wikimedia accounts be better?

My phone number is something I consider highly sensitive. Linking this kind of data to my online identity would be an unacceptable risk for me. Vito 2016-11-12 13:37 GMT+01:00 Amir Ladsgroup : > As far as I know 2FA is already implemented and mandatory for WMF staff > accounts and wikitech accou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How should security of Wikimedia accounts be better?

WMF implemented > software. It could even be an area that requires legally meaningful > assurance, or local processing to avoid, say, Europeans sending any > personal data to the USA. ;-) > > Fae > > On 12 November 2016 at 13:53, Vi to wrote: > > My phone number is something

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor safety and anonymity: ending IP address exposure?

rds to fighting vandalism and sockpuppetry. > And answering that question would start with describing how we actually do > make use of this data. Sounds like a good process to go through, but this > puts more emphasis on 2). > > Lodewijk > > 2016-11-12 21:36 GMT+01:00 Vi to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Discussion about proposed Technical Code of Conduct (TCC)

Same here, ofc. I still cannot understand how there could be online communities refusing these very basic principles. Vito 2016-11-21 0:57 GMT+01:00 Alex Monk : > On 20 November 2016 at 13:35, Jonathan Cardy > wrote: > > > > The nastiest trolling, personal attacks and certainly the rape and mur

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Discussion about proposed Technical Code of Conduct (TCC)

rote: > > > Similar to Vito, the safe space/code of conduct crowd has never > > demonstrated that any of these principles are not already held and > enforced > > across our projects. > > > > Adrian Raddatz > > > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Vi t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] investments still poor; return improved +0.3% to 1.5%

10% would imply a pretty high risk or a strategy which is not compatible WMF's values. 3-4% would balance risks with profits, there are pretty safe senior bonds with a 2-3% yield which could balance some less-than-best rated bond giving up to 6%. Anyway WMF's mission imply low risks in investments

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

I wouldn't call DMCA safe harbor(s) "how Wikipedia is allowed to exist". At a glance I'd say it would (at worst) impact on some (most) wikis way to handle copyvios/the thin red line around fair-use, but most of our ecosystem shouldn't be affected. So, what am I missing? Vito 2016-12-19 17:45 GMT+

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

I see, thank you for your explanation, coming from a civil law system it sounds pretty weird. Anyway I concur, it's pure madness and some action must be taken. Vito 2016-12-19 19:46 GMT+01:00 geni : > On 19 December 2016 at 18:38, Vi to wrote: > > I wouldn't call DMCA

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

I've just crossed https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Paulinapaulina3030 but I must confess I won't do anything out of the wiki (it.wiki) where I am a local sysop. Catching crosswiki paid editing is the most frustrating activity ever, a couple of years ago I wasted two months in def

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

Actually some parties might bring EU to low standards of freedom of expression. For what concerns Wikimedia, I fear more lobbying about copyright related legislation or about net neutrality than USA turning into a dictatorship. I'm not afraid of a complete service disruption but instead of things g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you for your service, Wikimedia Hong Kong

Just a question: can a former chapter reapply for recognition? Vito 2017-02-08 16:13 GMT+01:00 Lodewijk : > As the chapter status of Wikimedia Hong Kong has come to an end, I would > like to thank the volunteers at Wikimedia Hong Kong for their incredible > work over the past years. It is easy t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Niels Christian Nielsen appointed to Wikimedia Endowment Advisory Board

I find all of these to be deeply non relevant. Though they might be relevant according to standard en.wiki practice, I wonder whatever someone would had written a line about a to-be-created relatively small endowment of a website(s) or people managing it, unless it was "our" website(s). Also I dis

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-16 5:57 GMT+01:00 Pine W : > Hi Fae, > > A few points: > > * Thank you for trying to get and maintain a public list of WMF accounts > with special permissions. I think that this is helpful for the community to > know. I also think that WMF should actively maintain the list of WMF > account

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Shared list

AFAIR Billinghurst's(*) email address is different. Vito (*)Billinghurst is one of the best, wisest and most committed Wikimedians I got in touch with. 2016-02-23 6:13 GMT+01:00 Anthony Cole : > I've just received this from someone called billinghurst: > > "Please stop this rebuttal of people's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook as a discussion mediam

A channel can be easily logged if anyone joining it is made aware of. Dealing with facebook: I have no accounts but there's nothing wrong in discussing anywhere. What cannot be done outside of talkpage is building consensus. No consensus can be reached on facebook, irc or elsewhere. Vito 2016-02

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you for our time together.

Maybe I'm too far from the relevant stuffs but I feel like it was your (implicit) mandate to be proven wrong. There's a series of far deeper flaws within our ecosystem arising anytime it is under pressure. The biggest one is having a Board which is sometimes supposed to direct, sometimes to dictat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The right time is now!

2016-02-25 23:34 GMT+01:00 Milos Rancic : > I stopped responding to other emails because the significance of this > moment is so large, that we have now we didn't have since the > beginnings of Wikipedia. > > We've got the chance to rebuild the movement. > I was about to write something like this

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Long Reddit post laying out inner workings of English Wikipedia

I don't know whether crossing the line "musk [...] fixing [...] Wikipedia" gives me more disgust or fear. Vito Il giorno lun 12 dic 2022 alle ore 05:12 reybueno1--- via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> ha scritto: > This just up in /r/trueunpopularopinion and YCombinator: > > > htt

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Long Reddit post laying out inner workings of English Wikipedia

a grand total of 5 days reading > Wikipedia policies, ventured into some politically fraught articles with a > right-wing agenda, got taken to AN/I for it, and subsequently blocked or > banned. > > Dan > > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 6:41 AM Vi to wrote: > >> I d

[Wikimedia-l] Re: How does the selection of WMF expert board members happen?

It's commendable your attempt to broaden the discussion into something more general, aimed at preserving board prestige. I concur that as a first step there should be a clear stance about "what the board seeks into its appointed member(s)?". Vito Il giorno lun 12 dic 2022 alle ore 17:43 effe iet

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Use of this email list for anti-LGBTQ myths

While I think you're plainly right and her behaviour can't be tolerated, I think you probably confused Wikimedia-l with Wikimania-l Vito Il giorno gio 29 giu 2023 alle ore 13:57 L C ha scritto: > In the light of the posts by Mina Theofilatou, could the list admins > take action to either ban th

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia

Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda. Vito Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < galder...@hotmail.com> ha scritto: > The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation = > Facts. It might be that they don't know

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