Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Matthew Flaschen]

On 07/12/2013 04:18 AM, Eddy Paine wrote:
> Dan, A placeholder for people without pictures shouldn't be a
> problem. Thats common use. And they are all the same so thats a OK
> thing. The picture of Rory is a picture of Rory. It even says its a
> mascot and I agree with Erik we need Tux for Engineering. And no, we
> are not in the 1950's but as a international organisation we should
> still keep in mind that tattoos aren't accepted world wide.

I don't think that should be a requirement.  Even clothing choices are
not accepted world-wide (in some places, short sleeves and/or showing
your hair are considered unacceptable).

I see no problem with Brandon's choice to show his tattoo.  It might be
nice to use a greater depth of field so his face was in focus too, but
you can still see it.

Matt Flaschen

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Matthew Roth]

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:33 PM, L. Tuxwell Anonanon wrote:

>
> Roary, please know that I was not distressed by any of the earlier
> comments in this thread.  I see a vanguard of my relatives already
> quietly oversee the Wikimedia offices.  We are a sociable clan,[1]
> and accept your proffered paw of peace.  We find felines make fine
> company, with your flexible nature, thick skin and tendency toward
> deep furry naps.  You seem to be quite warm; I hope to get to know
> you more closely.[2]
>
>   We are working on ways at managing consistency in house at the
>>  moment and appreciate your feedback and patience.
>>  More photos coming soon enough.
>>  Meal
>>
>
> All this talk of feed consistency makes me hungry too.  I find the
> best-tasting feedback involves collaboration over a squid.[3]
>
> Love and Wikiwiki,
> Tux
>
> [1] http://bit.ly/12EeYcR
> [2] http://bit.ly/15HZHgi


tut tut, Tux. Bitly shortener?
http://ur1.ca/

:)



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[L. Tuxwell Anonanon]

Roary, please know that I was not distressed by any of the earlier
comments in this thread.  I see a vanguard of my relatives already
quietly oversee the Wikimedia offices.  We are a sociable clan,[1]
and accept your proffered paw of peace.  We find felines make fine 
company, with your flexible nature, thick skin and tendency toward

deep furry naps.  You seem to be quite warm; I hope to get to know
you more closely.[2]


 We are working on ways at managing consistency in house at the
 moment and appreciate your feedback and patience.
 More photos coming soon enough.
 Meal


All this talk of feed consistency makes me hungry too.  I find the
best-tasting feedback involves collaboration over a squid.[3]

Love and Wikiwiki,
Tux

[1] http://bit.ly/12EeYcR
[2] http://bit.ly/15HZHgi
[3]
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gentoo_Penguin_feeding_its_chick_(6063656750).jpg


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Craig Franklin]

Did she get permission to use the trademark in that way by WMF legal? :-)
On 17/07/2013 1:41 AM, "Steffen Prößdorf" 
wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> 2013/7/15 Melanie Brown 
>
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > As for the insights on staff photos, thank you for your feedback. Yes, we
> > are in the process of creating some more consistency in our staff photos
> > for the Wikimedia Foundation
>
>
>
> Absolutely, more consistency is important.
> I think everyone has to have the same tattoo as Juliana to be allowed to
> work for WMF.
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WIKIPEDIA-Tattoo.JPG
>
> Happy inking,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Keegan Peterzell]

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Chris Keating
wrote:

> >
> > (Rumor has it that HR is soon going to introduce a new caring and
> > loving penguin into the habitat. Perhaps the HR penguin can mediate
> > should matters escalate quickly.)
>
>
> Erik - to be frank I think this would be a serious mistake.
>
> A penguin would have no understanding of the Wikimedia culture. I mean they
> spend all their time huddling on ice-floes! What's that got to do with
> creating an encyclopedia? I notice that hardly ANYONE edits Wikipedia from
> the South Pole, despite it being the only place that everyone can agree is
> in the Global South.
>
> Indeed, what's the whole contribution of Antarctica been to the Wikimedia
> movement? Sweet fanny adams, that's what. But it doesn't even warrant a
> mention in the Foundation strategic plan! There is literally a whole
> continent that we don't care about. I suppose because you don't get many
> icebergs in San Francisco somehow you think Antarctica does't matter.
>
>
The penguins should be much more comfortable on Wikisource.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Steffen Prößdorf]

Hi there,

2013/7/15 Melanie Brown 

> Hello Everyone,
>
> As for the insights on staff photos, thank you for your feedback. Yes, we
> are in the process of creating some more consistency in our staff photos
> for the Wikimedia Foundation



Absolutely, more consistency is important.
I think everyone has to have the same tattoo as Juliana to be allowed to
work for WMF.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WIKIPEDIA-Tattoo.JPG

Happy inking,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[David Gerard]

On 15 July 2013 21:41, Matthew Roth  wrote:

> I find this to be a terribly sexy proposition. I would urge geni to become
> the new manager for equipment approvals.


geni is a Commons admin. Nitpickers so formidable that Counsel has
expressed his admiration for their l33t nitpicking. You will have
*the* *best* equipment ... eventually.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[David Gerard]

On 15 July 2013 00:06, Richard Symonds  wrote:

> I'd say that yes, you want uniform pictures, with a uniform idea behind
> them. For example, all professional, or all slightly informal, or all
> crazy. It doesn't matter so much about tattoos, but they need to all have
> the same feel or the page just feels off...


I'd say it doesn't really *matter* as such, but all having *something*
in common (maybe lighting) would be nice. Ask Brandon, he's the
designer ;-)


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Chris Keating]

>
> (Rumor has it that HR is soon going to introduce a new caring and
> loving penguin into the habitat. Perhaps the HR penguin can mediate
> should matters escalate quickly.)


Erik - to be frank I think this would be a serious mistake.

A penguin would have no understanding of the Wikimedia culture. I mean they
spend all their time huddling on ice-floes! What's that got to do with
creating an encyclopedia? I notice that hardly ANYONE edits Wikipedia from
the South Pole, despite it being the only place that everyone can agree is
in the Global South.

Indeed, what's the whole contribution of Antarctica been to the Wikimedia
movement? Sweet fanny adams, that's what. But it doesn't even warrant a
mention in the Foundation strategic plan! There is literally a whole
continent that we don't care about. I suppose because you don't get many
icebergs in San Francisco somehow you think Antarctica does't matter.

Frankly we don't need a penguin in the HR department. We need a penguin on
the Foundation Board.

No, we need a penguin as Executive Director. While Sue has made some really
important contributions, I have never seen her hunt fish or waddle around
with an egg on her feet. That has to change and it has to change now. It's
the only way we will take the South Pole seriously.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Matthew Roth]

On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:47 AM, geni  wrote:

> On 14 July 2013 00:44, Lucas Teles  wrote:
>
> > Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening of
> > this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a
> > photo of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's
> fingers.
> > --Teles
> >
> >
> > [1] -
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Brandon_Harris_courage.jpg
> >
> >
> Its not fine. Look at the colour blotching under the arm. I wouldn't expect
> that from the 5DII even at ISO 640. Looks like its been pushed a bit too
> far in post. That said looking at Matthew 's other photos the camera seems
> to be struggling to get the light levels right when that EF 100mm f/2.8L
> Macro lens is used. Not sure why though since thats a pretty good lens
> camera combination. Perhaps if the WMF is going to insist on taking photos
> of people indoors under ambient light they should get him a EF 85 mm f/1.2L

II.


I find this to be a terribly sexy proposition. I would urge geni to become
the new manager for equipment approvals.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Oliver Keyes]

Again with the cultural issues! I demand that Brandon get "Rocker" tattooed
on his other arm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mods_and_rockers


On 15 July 2013 19:27, John Andersson  wrote:

> As
>  a non-native English speaker the only real problem that I can see is
> that the message could be hard to understand for some people. Hence, I
> hope that Brandon would be willing to internationalize himself a bit and
>  add proper translations. The Swedish translation of "Courage" is "Mod" -
> feel free
> to add the new tattoo wherever you see fit.
>
>
>
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> > Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 17:47:08 +0100
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> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
> >
> > On 14 July 2013 00:44, Lucas Teles  wrote:
> >
> > > Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening
> of
> > > this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a
> > > photo of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's
> fingers.
> > > --Teles
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] -
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Brandon_Harris_courage.jpg
> > >
> > >
> > Its not fine. Look at the colour blotching under the arm. I wouldn't
> expect
> > that from the 5DII even at ISO 640. Looks like its been pushed a bit too
> > far in post. That said looking at Matthew 's other photos the camera
> seems
> > to be struggling to get the light levels right when that EF 100mm f/2.8L
> > Macro lens is used. Not sure why though since thats a pretty good lens
> > camera combination. Perhaps if the WMF is going to insist on taking
> photos
> > of people indoors under ambient light they should get him a EF 85 mm
> f/1.2L
> > II.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[John Andersson]

As
 a non-native English speaker the only real problem that I can see is 
that the message could be hard to understand for some people. Hence, I 
hope that Brandon would be willing to internationalize himself a bit and
 add proper translations. The Swedish translation of "Courage" is "Mod" - feel 
free 
to add the new tattoo wherever you see fit.  



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> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 17:47:08 +0100
> From: geni...@gmail.com
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
> 
> On 14 July 2013 00:44, Lucas Teles  wrote:
> 
> > Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening of
> > this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a
> > photo of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's fingers.
> > --Teles
> >
> >
> > [1] - https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Brandon_Harris_courage.jpg
> >
> >
> Its not fine. Look at the colour blotching under the arm. I wouldn't expect
> that from the 5DII even at ISO 640. Looks like its been pushed a bit too
> far in post. That said looking at Matthew 's other photos the camera seems
> to be struggling to get the light levels right when that EF 100mm f/2.8L
> Macro lens is used. Not sure why though since thats a pretty good lens
> camera combination. Perhaps if the WMF is going to insist on taking photos
> of people indoors under ambient light they should get him a EF 85 mm f/1.2L
> II.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Melanie Brown]

Hello Everyone,

As for the insights on staff photos, thank you for your feedback. Yes, we
are in the process of creating some more consistency in our staff photos
for the Wikimedia Foundation staff page, while allowing the people who work
here to be seen in a way that feels comfortable to them as well. It is a
nice balance that we are still refining. We will be getting a bunch of
photos taken during our next all staff meeting in September, so stay tuned.
:)

We are working on ways at managing consistency in house at the moment and
appreciate your feedback and patience.
More photos coming soon enough.
Mel


On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 2:44 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

> Erik Moeller, 15/07/2013 10:34:
>
>  (Rumor has it that HR is soon going to introduce a new caring and
>> loving penguin into the habitat. Perhaps the HR penguin can mediate
>> should matters escalate quickly.)
>>
>
> Scary. I think a copy of a recent statement on gun violence would also
> come handy.  statement-president
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Erik Moeller, 15/07/2013 10:34:

(Rumor has it that HR is soon going to introduce a new caring and
loving penguin into the habitat. Perhaps the HR penguin can mediate
should matters escalate quickly.)


Scary. I think a copy of a recent statement on gun violence would also 
come handy. 



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Erik Moeller]

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Chris Keating
 wrote:
> Maybe that's an idea - I am just imagining Brandon in firefighter uniform,
> James Forrester in the uniform of a Beefeater guarding the Tower of London,
> and the whole of Legal in Special Forces cammo led by Geoff carrying a
> pearl-handled Colt and chomping on a cigar.

Speaking of special forces, last time I looked on the third floor at
our resident office penguins, they looked like this:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Angry_Office_Penguins.jpg

Rory is right, penguins are probably very flavorful. But they're also
birds - angry birds. And they have strength in numbers going for them.

I think the middle one is saying: "That's a nice stuffed tiger you got
there .. would be a _shame_ if something happened to it."

(Rumor has it that HR is soon going to introduce a new caring and
loving penguin into the habitat. Perhaps the HR penguin can mediate
should matters escalate quickly.)

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[Chris Keating]

Uniform portraits?

Maybe that's an idea - I am just imagining Brandon in firefighter uniform,
James Forrester in the uniform of a Beefeater guarding the Tower of London,
and the whole of Legal in Special Forces cammo led by Geoff carrying a
pearl-handled Colt and chomping on a cigar.

Make it so!
This is all a style/composition question -

Do we want to aim for uniform portraits on the staff page or not?


On Jul 14, 2013, at 11:47 AM, geni  wrote:

> On 14 July 2013 00:44, Lucas Teles  wrote:
>
>> Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening of
>> this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a
>> photo of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's
fingers.
>> --Teles
>>
>>
>> [1] -
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Brandon_Harris_courage.jpg
> Its not fine. Look at the colour blotching under the arm. I wouldn't
expect
> that from the 5DII even at ISO 640. Looks like its been pushed a bit too
> far in post. That said looking at Matthew 's other photos the camera seems
> to be struggling to get the light levels right when that EF 100mm f/2.8L
> Macro lens is used. Not sure why though since thats a pretty good lens
> camera combination. Perhaps if the WMF is going to insist on taking photos
> of people indoors under ambient light they should get him a EF 85 mm
f/1.2L
> II.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Richard Symonds]

I'd say that yes, you want uniform pictures, with a uniform idea behind
them. For example, all professional, or all slightly informal, or all
crazy. It doesn't matter so much about tattoos, but they need to all have
the same feel or the page just feels off...

At the moment it does look a bit odd from an external perspective when one
staff member has a different style of profile picture to everyone else. If
Brandon's picture was a little more focussed on his face rather than his
arm, then I don't think anyone would have a huge problem - except that
you'd then probably need to change other staff portraits to be informal (or
allow staff to pick which ones they want to have), and the changing (and
the approval and monitoring of picture changes to ensure that no-one does
something stupid) could increase your workload. Who gets the final say in
whether a picture is appropriate? Do you need a staff photo policy? Can I
change other people's photos if I'm their friend? Could we change Sue's for
a laugh on April 1? What happens if a staff member has a photo taken
without a shirt on, or with a potentially offensive tattoo, or an NRA (or a
political) logo on their baseball cap or shirt? Do we want to run the risk
of alienating and upsetting people over such a small thing as a staff
photo? How often do donors (including major gifts) see the page? Will it
affect them?

There's nothing wrong with a bit of style and a few changes - even lively
changes - it's good to make staff appear more like 'normal people'. But it
needs a bit of thought behind the scenes to make sure that there's no
disruption as a result, and that everyone knows that they can change their
picture if they wish. That said, we've got a community with very exacting
standards, and even small changes can lead to forty emails on a mailing
list quite easily... which is a bit disruptive, regardless of whether the
changes are good or bad!

(I also realise that I have written three paragraphs about this issue,
which is about the same length as the reports I write at work...)

Yours etc.,


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On 14 July 2013 23:37, Victor Grigas  wrote:

> This is all a style/composition question -
>
> Do we want to aim for uniform portraits on the staff page or not?
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2013, at 11:47 AM, geni  wrote:
>
> > On 14 July 2013 00:44, Lucas Teles  wrote:
> >
> >> Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening
> of
> >> this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a
> >> photo of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's
> fingers.
> >> --Teles
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] -
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Brandon_Harris_courage.jpg
> > Its not fine. Look at the colour blotching under the arm. I wouldn't
> expect
> > that from the 5DII even at ISO 640. Looks like its been pushed a bit too
> > far in post. That said looking at Matthew 's other photos the camera
> seems
> > to be struggling to get the light levels right when that EF 100mm f/2.8L
> > Macro lens is used. Not sure why though since thats a pretty good lens
> > camera combination. Perhaps if the WMF is going to insist on taking
> photos
> > of people indoors under ambient light they should get him a EF 85 mm
> f/1.2L
> > II.
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Victor Grigas]

This is all a style/composition question - 

Do we want to aim for uniform portraits on the staff page or not?


On Jul 14, 2013, at 11:47 AM, geni  wrote:

> On 14 July 2013 00:44, Lucas Teles  wrote:
> 
>> Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening of
>> this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a
>> photo of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's fingers.
>> --Teles
>> 
>> 
>> [1] - https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Brandon_Harris_courage.jpg
> Its not fine. Look at the colour blotching under the arm. I wouldn't expect
> that from the 5DII even at ISO 640. Looks like its been pushed a bit too
> far in post. That said looking at Matthew 's other photos the camera seems
> to be struggling to get the light levels right when that EF 100mm f/2.8L
> Macro lens is used. Not sure why though since thats a pretty good lens
> camera combination. Perhaps if the WMF is going to insist on taking photos
> of people indoors under ambient light they should get him a EF 85 mm f/1.2L
> II.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[geni]

On 14 July 2013 00:44, Lucas Teles  wrote:

> Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening of
> this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a
> photo of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's fingers.
> --Teles
>
>
> [1] - https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Brandon_Harris_courage.jpg
>
>
Its not fine. Look at the colour blotching under the arm. I wouldn't expect
that from the 5DII even at ISO 640. Looks like its been pushed a bit too
far in post. That said looking at Matthew 's other photos the camera seems
to be struggling to get the light levels right when that EF 100mm f/2.8L
Macro lens is used. Not sure why though since thats a pretty good lens
camera combination. Perhaps if the WMF is going to insist on taking photos
of people indoors under ambient light they should get him a EF 85 mm f/1.2L
II.

-- 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Oliver Keyes]

On 14 July 2013 00:44, Lucas Teles  wrote:

> Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening of
> this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a
> photo of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's fingers.
> --Teles
>
> I guess it's time to reveal the truth to all of you; Brandon doesn't
actually /have/ any fingers. A sad story, really - he irrevocably damaged
them throwing the horns at a Dethklok concert. You'd expect it to slow him
down, what with his employment as a designer, but luckily his hair is
perfectly serviceable as a contact medium with tablets - and, in a pinch,
can even be used as a brush.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Peter Southwood]

Small teacup - big storm
Totally inoffensive.
Peter
- Original Message - 
From: "Lucas Teles" 

To: "Lista da Wikimedia" 
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 1:44 AM
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images


Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening of 
this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a 
photo of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's 
fingers.

--Teles


[1] - https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Brandon_Harris_courage.jpg


Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 22:16:49 +0100
From: chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

>
> I am extraordinarily confused to the point that I had to double check 
> my

> inbox that this is a Wikimedia-l thread.


I'd like someone to clarify if this thread has been approved by LaffCom?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Katie Chan]

On 14/07/2013 02:59, K. Peachey wrote:

The issue at the 26 odd email chain is that the staff member should be
the main focus of their staff photo? That doesn't seem unreasonable…


They are not required to have a photo at all, never mind requiring that 
their face be the focus of said photo.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[K. Peachey]

The issue at the 26 odd email chain is that the staff member should be
the main focus of their staff photo? That doesn't seem unreasonable…

On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Lucas Teles  wrote:
> Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening of 
> this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a photo 
> of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's fingers.
> --Teles
>
>
> [1] - https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Brandon_Harris_courage.jpg

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[Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Lucas Teles]

Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening of this 
discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a photo of 
another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's fingers.
--Teles


[1] - https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Brandon_Harris_courage.jpg

> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 22:16:49 +0100
> From: chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
> 
> >
> > I am extraordinarily confused to the point that I had to double check my
> > inbox that this is a Wikimedia-l thread.
> 
> 
> I'd like someone to clarify if this thread has been approved by LaffCom?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Chris Keating]

>
> I am extraordinarily confused to the point that I had to double check my
> inbox that this is a Wikimedia-l thread.


I'd like someone to clarify if this thread has been approved by LaffCom?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Keegan Peterzell]

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 5:54 PM, phoebe ayers  wrote:

> And what happened to 'assume good flavor'... I mean faith! Assume Good
> Faith! I am sure that Rory has only the best intentions. But it is true
> that his message could be misinterpreted.
>
> I think we should all take a step back and try our very best not to eat
> each other. I'm sure that if they don't meet over lunch -- and perhaps
> ensure the expedient measure of living on different floors -- Rory and Tux
> can be professional colleagues, with the same mission of delicious,
> delicious (fish-flavored?) free knowledge.
>
> -- phoebe


I am extraordinarily confused to the point that I had to double check my
inbox that this is a Wikimedia-l thread.

Is this **humor** taking place here?

If so, it is off-topic and I would like to see this thread moderated.  We
don't deserve to giggle :)

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[phoebe ayers]

And what happened to 'assume good flavor'... I mean faith! Assume Good
Faith! I am sure that Rory has only the best intentions. But it is true
that his message could be misinterpreted.

I think we should all take a step back and try our very best not to eat
each other. I'm sure that if they don't meet over lunch -- and perhaps
ensure the expedient measure of living on different floors -- Rory and Tux
can be professional colleagues, with the same mission of delicious,
delicious (fish-flavored?) free knowledge.

-- phoebe


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Cynthia Ashley-Nelson
wrote:

> Stripes. Yeah, right. Clearly, Rory is wearing tats of their own. Totally
> covered in 'em! I'm calling foul. "Delicious, organic friends"... I wanna
> see a photo of Tux to verify life.  Something's not right here.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Rory  wrote:
>
> > First, I want to make clear that I express no opinion on the ink
> > conversation. I respect the diverse points of views in our community. I
> > understand that everyone has their own stripes.
> >
> > That said, I am deeply saddened and frankly shocked by allegations voiced
> > by certain people in this thread that somehow I would consider eating
> Tux,
> > the official mascot of the Linux kernel.
> >
> > As a supporter of the free knowledge movement, I hunger for role models
> > like Tux.  Penguins are known for their outstanding qualities[1], and,
> > showing my good taste, I recognize that my small LCA Foundation profile
> [2]
> > hardly matches the prominent recognition of Tux’s Wikipedia article. [3]
>  I
> > accordingly decided long ago that Tux was off the menu.
> >
> > To the contrary, I offer my paw in friendship to Tux.  Some say that open
> > source animals are full of bugs, turning them into organic delights. I do
> > support organic meats. I mean friends. Organic friends.
> >
> > Delicious, organic friends.
> >
> > I am really hungry now.  (I’m not allowed to eat legal interns
> anymore.[4])
> >  Tux, let’s get together soon, real soon, maybe over lunch.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> >  Rory
> >
> > Mascot,
> > Legal and Community Advocacy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Disclaimer:*
> > I cannot give legal advice because I am not licensed to practice law. I
> am
> > also a stuffed toy animal without human intelligence.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [1]
> >
> http://chicago.grubstreet.com/2008/05/what_does_penguin_meat_taste_l.html
> >
> > <
> http://chicago.grubstreet.com/2008/05/what_does_penguin_meat_taste_l.html
> > >
> >
> > [2] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Rory<
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux>
> >
> > [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux
> >
> > [4]
> >
> >
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Church,_Frederick_Stuart_-_Church_Tiger_having_eaten_professor_-_1905_-_large.jpg
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Michael Snow]

On 7/12/2013 3:22 PM, Rory wrote:

I am really hungry now.  (I’m not allowed to eat legal interns anymore.[4])
  Tux, let’s get together soon, real soon, maybe over lunch.
Rory, if you're that desperate, may I suggest you scrounge around in 
your slippers? I'm sure you could find some tasty crumbs in there.


--Michael Snow

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[Cynthia Ashley-Nelson]

Stripes. Yeah, right. Clearly, Rory is wearing tats of their own. Totally
covered in 'em! I'm calling foul. "Delicious, organic friends"... I wanna
see a photo of Tux to verify life.  Something's not right here.


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Rory  wrote:

> First, I want to make clear that I express no opinion on the ink
> conversation. I respect the diverse points of views in our community. I
> understand that everyone has their own stripes.
>
> That said, I am deeply saddened and frankly shocked by allegations voiced
> by certain people in this thread that somehow I would consider eating Tux,
> the official mascot of the Linux kernel.
>
> As a supporter of the free knowledge movement, I hunger for role models
> like Tux.  Penguins are known for their outstanding qualities[1], and,
> showing my good taste, I recognize that my small LCA Foundation profile [2]
> hardly matches the prominent recognition of Tux’s Wikipedia article. [3]  I
> accordingly decided long ago that Tux was off the menu.
>
> To the contrary, I offer my paw in friendship to Tux.  Some say that open
> source animals are full of bugs, turning them into organic delights. I do
> support organic meats. I mean friends. Organic friends.
>
> Delicious, organic friends.
>
> I am really hungry now.  (I’m not allowed to eat legal interns anymore.[4])
>  Tux, let’s get together soon, real soon, maybe over lunch.
>
> Best,
>
>  Rory
>
> Mascot,
> Legal and Community Advocacy
>
>
>
>
> *Disclaimer:*
> I cannot give legal advice because I am not licensed to practice law. I am
> also a stuffed toy animal without human intelligence.
>
>
>
>
> [1]
> http://chicago.grubstreet.com/2008/05/what_does_penguin_meat_taste_l.html
>
>  >
>
> [2] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Rory<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux>
>
> [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux
>
> [4]
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Church,_Frederick_Stuart_-_Church_Tiger_having_eaten_professor_-_1905_-_large.jpg
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[Rory]

First, I want to make clear that I express no opinion on the ink
conversation. I respect the diverse points of views in our community. I
understand that everyone has their own stripes.

That said, I am deeply saddened and frankly shocked by allegations voiced
by certain people in this thread that somehow I would consider eating Tux,
the official mascot of the Linux kernel.

As a supporter of the free knowledge movement, I hunger for role models
like Tux.  Penguins are known for their outstanding qualities[1], and,
showing my good taste, I recognize that my small LCA Foundation profile [2]
hardly matches the prominent recognition of Tux’s Wikipedia article. [3]  I
accordingly decided long ago that Tux was off the menu.

To the contrary, I offer my paw in friendship to Tux.  Some say that open
source animals are full of bugs, turning them into organic delights. I do
support organic meats. I mean friends. Organic friends.

Delicious, organic friends.

I am really hungry now.  (I’m not allowed to eat legal interns anymore.[4])
 Tux, let’s get together soon, real soon, maybe over lunch.

Best,

 Rory

Mascot,
Legal and Community Advocacy




*Disclaimer:*
I cannot give legal advice because I am not licensed to practice law. I am
also a stuffed toy animal without human intelligence.




[1]
http://chicago.grubstreet.com/2008/05/what_does_penguin_meat_taste_l.html



[2] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Rory

[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux

[4]
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Church,_Frederick_Stuart_-_Church_Tiger_having_eaten_professor_-_1905_-_large.jpg
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Ivan Martínez]

It is the twenty-first century and people like me have tattooed the logo of
Wikipedia in the arm. It's considered wrong for conservatives too?


2013/7/12 Oliver Keyes 

> On 12 July 2013 14:01, Michel Castelo Branco
> wrote:
>
> > There are countries where women showing her shoulders or nude head are
> not
> > accepted yet. I think the staff should complaint only about what is
> > accepted where they are (so they  wont be arrested).
> >
> > Tattoos fine, leaking PRISM details bad. Got it.
>
> (hi, NSA analyst!)
>
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[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 07/12/2013 07:10 AM, Eddy Paine wrote:
> Secondly we are a world wide organisation, and there are still enough 
> countries where tats are not accepted yet.

Then surely, we must err on the side of conservatism!

Let's make certain that every woman on staff has a picture in a burka.

-- Marc


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[Oliver Keyes]

On 12 July 2013 14:01, Michel Castelo Branco
wrote:

> There are countries where women showing her shoulders or nude head are not
> accepted yet. I think the staff should complaint only about what is
> accepted where they are (so they  wont be arrested).
>
> Tattoos fine, leaking PRISM details bad. Got it.

(hi, NSA analyst!)

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[Michel Castelo Branco]

There are countries where women showing her shoulders or nude head are not 
accepted yet. I think the staff should complaint only about what is accepted 
where they are (so they  wont be arrested).

Castelo Branco 

Em 12/07/2013, às 08:10, Eddy Paine  escreveu:

Hi, 
I didn't say that people with thats are not proffesionals. I have multiple 
myself also. 
I am saying that the page has a lay-out with pictures that all fit together and 
are specially made for that page. I believe you shouldn't destroy the lay-out 
or style by adding "personal" pictures. Otherwhise you should lose the style 
completly. 
Secondly we are a world wide organisation, and there are still enough countries 
where tats are not accepted yet. So it can be wise to try to minimise the 
things on pictures that can be offensive for some people. 
And as last. Brandon places his tattoo first and makes his face blurry. Thats 
why I started posting. If both the tattoo would be vissible and his face I 
wouldn't have any problems at all. 
Ed

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On 7/12/2013 4:10 AM PDT, Eddy Paine wrote:
> ...and there are still enough countries where tats are not accepted yet. So 
> it can be wise to try to minimise the things on pictures that can be 
> offensive for some people

You make the presumption that the Wikimedia movement is any more
socially acceptable than tattoos are (at least in those countries).
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[Huib Laurens]

Its more like making a statement on your official homepage.


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Oliver Keyes  wrote:

> Sure; there are countries with taboos around, for example, tattoos.
> However, given that we run many encyclopaedias containing articles on
> pretty much everything, taboo or no taboo (including ink!), anyone easily
> offended is /going/ to be. There's a saying about horses and doors that
> applies here.
>
> Brandon does place his tattoo first. The tattoo, you will note, reads
> "courage". It's what is known as a statement. Brandon is endorsing being
> bold, not endorsing being inked.
>
>
> On 12 July 2013 12:10, Eddy Paine  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I didn't say that people with thats are not proffesionals. I have
> multiple
> > myself also.
> > I am saying that the page has a lay-out with pictures that all fit
> > together and are specially made for that page. I believe you shouldn't
> > destroy the lay-out or style by adding "personal" pictures. Otherwhise
> you
> > should lose the style completly.
> > Secondly we are a world wide organisation, and there are still enough
> > countries where tats are not accepted yet. So it can be wise to try to
> > minimise the things on pictures that can be offensive for some people.
> > And as last. Brandon places his tattoo first and makes his face blurry.
> > Thats why I started posting. If both the tattoo would be vissible and his
> > face I wouldn't have any problems at all.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Oliver Keyes]

Sure; there are countries with taboos around, for example, tattoos.
However, given that we run many encyclopaedias containing articles on
pretty much everything, taboo or no taboo (including ink!), anyone easily
offended is /going/ to be. There's a saying about horses and doors that
applies here.

Brandon does place his tattoo first. The tattoo, you will note, reads
"courage". It's what is known as a statement. Brandon is endorsing being
bold, not endorsing being inked.


On 12 July 2013 12:10, Eddy Paine  wrote:

> Hi,
> I didn't say that people with thats are not proffesionals. I have multiple
> myself also.
> I am saying that the page has a lay-out with pictures that all fit
> together and are specially made for that page. I believe you shouldn't
> destroy the lay-out or style by adding "personal" pictures. Otherwhise you
> should lose the style completly.
> Secondly we are a world wide organisation, and there are still enough
> countries where tats are not accepted yet. So it can be wise to try to
> minimise the things on pictures that can be offensive for some people.
> And as last. Brandon places his tattoo first and makes his face blurry.
> Thats why I started posting. If both the tattoo would be vissible and his
> face I wouldn't have any problems at all.
> Ed
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Eddy Paine]

Hi, 
I didn't say that people with thats are not proffesionals. I have multiple 
myself also. 
I am saying that the page has a lay-out with pictures that all fit together and 
are specially made for that page. I believe you shouldn't destroy the lay-out 
or style by adding "personal" pictures. Otherwhise you should lose the style 
completly. 
Secondly we are a world wide organisation, and there are still enough countries 
where tats are not accepted yet. So it can be wise to try to minimise the 
things on pictures that can be offensive for some people. 
And as last. Brandon places his tattoo first and makes his face blurry. Thats 
why I started posting. If both the tattoo would be vissible and his face I 
wouldn't have any problems at all. 
Ed
  
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[Oliver Keyes]

What Craig said. I can think of 3 staffers on my *team* with tattoos. If
people have a problem with ink - more accurately, if we have people who are
willing to judge the worth, value and professionalism of others based
purely on the presence of tattoos - I don't particularly mind how we come
off to them. I imagine we probably wouldn't get on anyway.


On 12 July 2013 12:02, Craig Franklin  wrote:

> I think what's really offensive here is the implication that having a tat
> means that you're not professional.  I don't have any ink myself, but I
> respect the choice of those who do.
>
> To be honest, I like the occasionally goofy pictures and profiles on the
> WMF staff page; it shows that there are real people (and a tiger!) working
> there and not just corporate drones.
>
> Cheers,
> Craig
>
>
> On 12 July 2013 18:18, Eddy Paine  wrote:
>
> > Dan,
> > A placeholder for people without pictures shouldn't be a problem. Thats
> > common use. And they are all the same so thats a OK thing.
> > The picture of Rory is a picture of Rory. It even says its a mascot and I
> > agree with Erik we need Tux for Engineering.
> > And no, we are not in the 1950's but as a international organisation we
> > should still keep in mind that tattoos aren't accepted world wide.
> Placing
> > your tattoo on a staff page and your face faded away is provocating the
> > fact that he has tattoo's and not proffesional.
> > Secondly all staff pictures are made by a professional photographer? Or
> > kind of in the same setting. That will keep the page uniform also.
> > Ed
> > > From: swatjes...@gmail.com
> > > Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:02:56 -0400
> > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
> > >
> > > I don't see any problem with it. I'm not sure how it is somehow more
> > > unprofessional than "absentee" (for lack of a better term) pictures
> being
> > > labeled "Cloak of invisibility?" Or the picture of Rory as "mascot"?
> > >
> > > Further, what does "all but neutral" mean?
> > >
> > > Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police
> > because
> > > someone "might" be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is
> > > upset, and why?
> > >
> > > -Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan Rosenthal
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Eddy Paine 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only
> Staff
> > > > can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the
> > correct
> > > > place to post this.
> > > > I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the
> > staff
> > > > in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images
> being
> > > > made by professionals for that.
> > > > I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not
> > > > suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage
> > people
> > > > and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on
> > the
> > > > picture his is faded out.
> > > > I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Craig Franklin]

I think what's really offensive here is the implication that having a tat
means that you're not professional.  I don't have any ink myself, but I
respect the choice of those who do.

To be honest, I like the occasionally goofy pictures and profiles on the
WMF staff page; it shows that there are real people (and a tiger!) working
there and not just corporate drones.

Cheers,
Craig


On 12 July 2013 18:18, Eddy Paine  wrote:

> Dan,
> A placeholder for people without pictures shouldn't be a problem. Thats
> common use. And they are all the same so thats a OK thing.
> The picture of Rory is a picture of Rory. It even says its a mascot and I
> agree with Erik we need Tux for Engineering.
> And no, we are not in the 1950's but as a international organisation we
> should still keep in mind that tattoos aren't accepted world wide. Placing
> your tattoo on a staff page and your face faded away is provocating the
> fact that he has tattoo's and not proffesional.
> Secondly all staff pictures are made by a professional photographer? Or
> kind of in the same setting. That will keep the page uniform also.
> Ed
> > From: swatjes...@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:02:56 -0400
> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
> >
> > I don't see any problem with it. I'm not sure how it is somehow more
> > unprofessional than "absentee" (for lack of a better term) pictures being
> > labeled "Cloak of invisibility?" Or the picture of Rory as "mascot"?
> >
> > Further, what does "all but neutral" mean?
> >
> > Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police
> because
> > someone "might" be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is
> > upset, and why?
> >
> > -Dan
> >
> >
> > Dan Rosenthal
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Eddy Paine 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff
> > > can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the
> correct
> > > place to post this.
> > > I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the
> staff
> > > in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being
> > > made by professionals for that.
> > > I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not
> > > suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage
> people
> > > and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on
> the
> > > picture his is faded out.
> > > I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional.
> > > Ed
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Strainu]

2013/7/12 Thehelpfulone :
> On 12 July 2013 09:11, Erik Moeller  wrote:
>
>> The real issue here is that the Legal Department has a stuffed animal
>> mascot, while WMF engineering/product has absolutely no animals of any
>> kind. I would put up a photograph of Tux, but I'm worried Rory will
>> eat him.

Well, I think the real real issue is that 10 emails in 2 hours is lame
for a Friday Flame :) I say we try again.

Strainu

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On 12 July 2013 09:11, Erik Moeller  wrote:

> The real issue here is that the Legal Department has a stuffed animal
> mascot, while WMF engineering/product has absolutely no animals of any
> kind. I would put up a photograph of Tux, but I'm worried Rory will
> eat him.
>


If you're going to add a photo of Tux then you'll have to add a user
pageand accompanying email
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On 12 July 2013 09:02, Dan Rosenthal  wrote:

> Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police because
> someone "might" be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is
> upset, and why?


DFTT.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Jon Davies]

We are not Coopers and Lybrand - we are real people. If somebody really
objects to an image then their complaint should be taken seriously but
let's not try and second guess the world.

Jon Davies - WMUK

PS I am trying to get my staff to take photos where they don't all appear
to be a bit crazed...

On 12 July 2013 09:31, Dan Rosenthal  wrote:

> You realize we have a page on Tattoos that shows just how prevalent they
> are throughout the world, yes?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tattoo
>
>
> Also, I think you missed my sarcasm about Rory and the invisibility cloak.
> They're non-issues, just as Brandon's photo is a non-issue.
>
> -Dan
>
>
> Dan Rosenthal
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Eddy Paine 
> wrote:
>
> > Dan,
> > A placeholder for people without pictures shouldn't be a problem. Thats
> > common use. And they are all the same so thats a OK thing.
> > The picture of Rory is a picture of Rory. It even says its a mascot and I
> > agree with Erik we need Tux for Engineering.
> > And no, we are not in the 1950's but as a international organisation we
> > should still keep in mind that tattoos aren't accepted world wide.
> Placing
> > your tattoo on a staff page and your face faded away is provocating the
> > fact that he has tattoo's and not proffesional.
> > Secondly all staff pictures are made by a professional photographer? Or
> > kind of in the same setting. That will keep the page uniform also.
> > Ed
> > > From: swatjes...@gmail.com
> > > Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:02:56 -0400
> > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
> > >
> > > I don't see any problem with it. I'm not sure how it is somehow more
> > > unprofessional than "absentee" (for lack of a better term) pictures
> being
> > > labeled "Cloak of invisibility?" Or the picture of Rory as "mascot"?
> > >
> > > Further, what does "all but neutral" mean?
> > >
> > > Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police
> > because
> > > someone "might" be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is
> > > upset, and why?
> > >
> > > -Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan Rosenthal
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Eddy Paine 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only
> Staff
> > > > can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the
> > correct
> > > > place to post this.
> > > > I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the
> > staff
> > > > in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images
> being
> > > > made by professionals for that.
> > > > I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not
> > > > suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage
> > people
> > > > and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on
> > the
> > > > picture his is faded out.
> > > > I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional.
> > > > Ed
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Dan Rosenthal]

You realize we have a page on Tattoos that shows just how prevalent they
are throughout the world, yes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tattoo


Also, I think you missed my sarcasm about Rory and the invisibility cloak.
They're non-issues, just as Brandon's photo is a non-issue.

-Dan


Dan Rosenthal


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Eddy Paine  wrote:

> Dan,
> A placeholder for people without pictures shouldn't be a problem. Thats
> common use. And they are all the same so thats a OK thing.
> The picture of Rory is a picture of Rory. It even says its a mascot and I
> agree with Erik we need Tux for Engineering.
> And no, we are not in the 1950's but as a international organisation we
> should still keep in mind that tattoos aren't accepted world wide. Placing
> your tattoo on a staff page and your face faded away is provocating the
> fact that he has tattoo's and not proffesional.
> Secondly all staff pictures are made by a professional photographer? Or
> kind of in the same setting. That will keep the page uniform also.
> Ed
> > From: swatjes...@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:02:56 -0400
> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
> >
> > I don't see any problem with it. I'm not sure how it is somehow more
> > unprofessional than "absentee" (for lack of a better term) pictures being
> > labeled "Cloak of invisibility?" Or the picture of Rory as "mascot"?
> >
> > Further, what does "all but neutral" mean?
> >
> > Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police
> because
> > someone "might" be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is
> > upset, and why?
> >
> > -Dan
> >
> >
> > Dan Rosenthal
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Eddy Paine 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff
> > > can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the
> correct
> > > place to post this.
> > > I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the
> staff
> > > in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being
> > > made by professionals for that.
> > > I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not
> > > suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage
> people
> > > and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on
> the
> > > picture his is faded out.
> > > I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional.
> > > Ed
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Christophe Henner]

Funny thing is, at my work I'm trying to get my staff to take crazy
picture for our public staff page. Pictures with stupid/crazy objects,
cosplaying, playing games, etc.

Because I believe my staff are not well represented by ID Card photos
(those are great for passports, but to provide an insight of what we
are... not so much). They're awesome people, with great personality
and I want people from the outside to know it, and I want people to
want to join us and knowing if they're hired they're walking into a
mad house.

So for one, I love Rory, and Brandon picture is just awesome.

My 2 cts
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On 12 July 2013 10:18, Eddy Paine  wrote:
> Dan,
> A placeholder for people without pictures shouldn't be a problem. Thats 
> common use. And they are all the same so thats a OK thing.
> The picture of Rory is a picture of Rory. It even says its a mascot and I 
> agree with Erik we need Tux for Engineering.
> And no, we are not in the 1950's but as a international organisation we 
> should still keep in mind that tattoos aren't accepted world wide. Placing 
> your tattoo on a staff page and your face faded away is provocating the fact 
> that he has tattoo's and not proffesional.
> Secondly all staff pictures are made by a professional photographer? Or kind 
> of in the same setting. That will keep the page uniform also.
> Ed
>> From: swatjes...@gmail.com
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:02:56 -0400
>> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
>>
>> I don't see any problem with it. I'm not sure how it is somehow more
>> unprofessional than "absentee" (for lack of a better term) pictures being
>> labeled "Cloak of invisibility?" Or the picture of Rory as "mascot"?
>>
>> Further, what does "all but neutral" mean?
>>
>> Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police because
>> someone "might" be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is
>> upset, and why?
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>>
>> Dan Rosenthal
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Eddy Paine  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> > While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff
>> > can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the correct
>> > place to post this.
>> > I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the staff
>> > in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being
>> > made by professionals for that.
>> > I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not
>> > suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage people
>> > and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on the
>> > picture his is faded out.
>> > I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional.
>> > Ed
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Eddy Paine]

Dan, 
A placeholder for people without pictures shouldn't be a problem. Thats common 
use. And they are all the same so thats a OK thing.  
The picture of Rory is a picture of Rory. It even says its a mascot and I agree 
with Erik we need Tux for Engineering. 
And no, we are not in the 1950's but as a international organisation we should 
still keep in mind that tattoos aren't accepted world wide. Placing your tattoo 
on a staff page and your face faded away is provocating the fact that he has 
tattoo's and not proffesional. 
Secondly all staff pictures are made by a professional photographer? Or kind of 
in the same setting. That will keep the page uniform also. 
Ed
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> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:02:56 -0400
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
> 
> I don't see any problem with it. I'm not sure how it is somehow more
> unprofessional than "absentee" (for lack of a better term) pictures being
> labeled "Cloak of invisibility?" Or the picture of Rory as "mascot"?
> 
> Further, what does "all but neutral" mean?
> 
> Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police because
> someone "might" be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is
> upset, and why?
> 
> -Dan
> 
> 
> Dan Rosenthal
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Eddy Paine  wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff
> > can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the correct
> > place to post this.
> > I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the staff
> > in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being
> > made by professionals for that.
> > I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not
> > suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage people
> > and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on the
> > picture his is faded out.
> > I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional.
> > Ed
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Erik Moeller]

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Dan Rosenthal  wrote:
> Or the picture of Rory as "mascot"?

The real issue here is that the Legal Department has a stuffed animal
mascot, while WMF engineering/product has absolutely no animals of any
kind. I would put up a photograph of Tux, but I'm worried Rory will
eat him.

Erik

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Dan Rosenthal]

I don't see any problem with it. I'm not sure how it is somehow more
unprofessional than "absentee" (for lack of a better term) pictures being
labeled "Cloak of invisibility?" Or the picture of Rory as "mascot"?

Further, what does "all but neutral" mean?

Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police because
someone "might" be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is
upset, and why?

-Dan


Dan Rosenthal


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Eddy Paine  wrote:

> Hi,
> While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff
> can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the correct
> place to post this.
> I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the staff
> in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being
> made by professionals for that.
> I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not
> suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage people
> and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on the
> picture his is faded out.
> I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional.
> Ed
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Hydriz Scholz]

Hi, a few things...

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Eddy Paine  wrote:

> Hi,
> While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff
> can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the correct
> place to post this.
>

There are volunteers that can also edit the Wikimedia Foundation website.
Such accounts can be requested at [[m:WMFACCOUNT]]. Also, the (more)
correct place to post this is to create a section at [[m:FWF]] so that
people with accounts on the Wikimedia Foundation wiki can look into it and
process your request


> I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the staff
> in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being
> made by professionals for that.
> I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not
> suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage people
> and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on the
> picture his is faded out.
> I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional.
>

I would agree with this, the new picture fades his face out, which would
defeat the purpose of properly identifying the person in particular. I am
going to let someone else change it though :)


> Ed
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[Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

[Eddy Paine]

Hi, 
While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff can 
edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the correct place to 
post this. 
I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the staff in a 
good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being made by 
professionals for that. 
I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not suitable 
for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage people and the 
picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on the picture his is 
faded out. 
I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional. 
Ed
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