Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using this list to tear people down

On 3 March 2016 at 11:53, Gerard Meijssen wrote: ... > The ED has been sacrificed. It is obvious that the baying for blood has not > stopped. Last time I checked, Lila was still alive and supporting the WMF for the rest of the month. Fortunately the age of martyrs is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using this list to tear people down

Pine , One of the things iḿ missing is the wiki movement is an independant judiciary The Wiki community does not apply the following principles : - Presumtion of innocence : Innocent until proven guilty - Favor of the doubt for the accused - Clear procedure - No independant judges : often

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using this list to tear people down

Hoi, To be brutally honest. The way several people on this list have behaved has been really distressing. The format they used has been a disguise for hostility. The problem is that these "pillars of society" bring the house down. At issue was trust. Trust between staff and the ED. There were

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Keegan, regarding "...actively or passive-aggressively seeking to hurt others in the guise of all of our shared concerns." Given the nature of the recent crises, some of the things that needed saying were, simply, going to hurt people. You can't accuse someone of incompetence or

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On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 12:51 AM, Jane Darnell wrote: > I just thought Mr. Kolbe's mother didn't hug him enough as a baby. > > I did not bring this up in response to any one particular person, thread, or individual post. ​The issues are much broader and run far deeper, namely,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using this list to tear people down

I just thought Mr. Kolbe's mother didn't hug him enough as a baby. On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 5:33 AM, Sam Klein wrote: > +1 > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 11:11 PM, Anna Stillwell > wrote: > > > I agree to do so. I'll help you constructively remind.

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> On 3 Mar 2016, at 3:35 PM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: >> >> ​Write words with measured logic and sound emotions. >> >> > ​"Strike that, reverse it." ~ Willy Wonka[0] > > Sound logic and measured emotions. > > 0. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWJo2EZW8yU​ Thank

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using this list to tear people down

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:31 PM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Pine W wrote: > >> Hi Keegan, >> >> I'm fond of the principle of civility. I'm wondering how you suggest that >> we balance civility with the need to hold

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+1 On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 11:11 PM, Anna Stillwell wrote: > I agree to do so. I'll help you constructively remind. > Thank you. > /a > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Keegan Peterzell > wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Chris

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On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Pine W wrote: > Hi Keegan, > > I'm fond of the principle of civility. I'm wondering how you suggest that > we balance civility with the need to hold people accountable. For example, > if someone makes a series of highly problematic decisions,

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I agree to do so. I'll help you constructively remind. Thank you. /a On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Chris Sherlock > > wrote: > > > > > > > I agree with this, though I wonder about

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Hi Keegan, I'm fond of the principle of civility. I'm wondering how you suggest that we balance civility with the need to hold people accountable. For example, if someone makes a series of highly problematic decisions, or commits a wikifelony in their particular role (for example, blatant misuse

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On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Chris Sherlock wrote: > > > I agree with this, though I wonder about what to do when people cause > events that damage the central ideas and tenants of an organization. > > Just a thought. > ​It is not hard to keep discussions

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using this list to tear people down

> On 3 Mar 2016, at 10:49 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > > There's a quote popularly attributed to Eleanor Roosevelt: > > "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds > discuss people."[0] > > Now, I'm not calling any particular people small

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Thank you. I wholeheartedly agree with your point, and hope that we can find the courage to remind each other of this more often. Small, early reminders can go a long way towards avoiding a gradual erosion of boundaries. Gabriel On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Denny Vrandecic

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Thanks. I also got reminded about that a few times, recently. I would love this to be more reflected upon. On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > There's a quote popularly attributed to Eleanor Roosevelt: > > "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds