Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[James Alexander]

Thanks so much for the help with this Fæ!

James Alexander
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On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Fæ  wrote:

> On 10 May 2014 19:02, Fæ  wrote:
> > ... I'll take a look at Faebot keeping
> > a table regularly synchronized on meta using the Google spreadsheets
> > API.
>
> For anyone that may be interested in seeing which WMF employees have
> what advanced permissions, there is now a wikitable on meta
> automatically generated from the Google spreadsheet that the WMF
> maintains.
>
> The table is at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Advanced_Permissions
>
> I don't want to encourage folks to start relying on Google
> spreadsheets(!), however keeping spreadsheets like this in-sync with
> on-wiki tables is not a new issue. Anyone interested in how I did it
> can find a copy of the Python script at
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Faebot/code/advanced_permissions
>
> I have also asked for a meta bot flag, as I'm planning for Faebot to
> check/update the table once a week:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_bot_status#Faebot
>
> Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Fæ]

On 10 May 2014 19:02, Fæ  wrote:
> ... I'll take a look at Faebot keeping
> a table regularly synchronized on meta using the Google spreadsheets
> API.

For anyone that may be interested in seeing which WMF employees have
what advanced permissions, there is now a wikitable on meta
automatically generated from the Google spreadsheet that the WMF
maintains.

The table is at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Advanced_Permissions

I don't want to encourage folks to start relying on Google
spreadsheets(!), however keeping spreadsheets like this in-sync with
on-wiki tables is not a new issue. Anyone interested in how I did it
can find a copy of the Python script at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Faebot/code/advanced_permissions

I have also asked for a meta bot flag, as I'm planning for Faebot to
check/update the table once a week:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_bot_status#Faebot

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[James Alexander]

I'm heading to bed but will follow up with you tomorrow from the office.
Publishing is on for that sheet at the moment (that's what I'm using to
show it through the link I gave) so not exactly sure what else you need but
I'd love if faebot was able to help keep it synced up on wiki.

Actually, others may have figured it out (I know the one on wiki works),
but I just noticed that particular link was broken somehow in my email
(sysadmin got added to the end). The correct, working, link is
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHc&single=true&gid=5&output=html



James Alexander
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On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 2:58 AM, Fæ  wrote:

> On 10 May 2014 19:02, Fæ  wrote:
> > On 21/04/2014, James Alexander  wrote:
> > ...
> >> we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them
> >> here
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHc&single=true&gid=5&output=htmlsysadmin
> >
> > James, if you open this spreadsheet and switch on publishing (go to
> > File / Publish to the web...) then I'll take a look at Faebot keeping
> > a table regularly synchronized on meta using the Google spreadsheets
> > API.
>
> Ping.
>
> I would like to repeat my offer to add this extra level of openness to
> this information, my email might have been lost in the long thread. Is
> there a reason for not switching on publishing to the public
> spreadsheet so that the community can refer to a maintained wiki-table
> of the same data on meta rather than relying entirely on Google's
> excellent but closed-source collaboration tools?
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Fæ]

On 10 May 2014 19:02, Fæ  wrote:
> On 21/04/2014, James Alexander  wrote:
> ...
>> we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them
>> here
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHc&single=true&gid=5&output=htmlsysadmin
>
> James, if you open this spreadsheet and switch on publishing (go to
> File / Publish to the web...) then I'll take a look at Faebot keeping
> a table regularly synchronized on meta using the Google spreadsheets
> API.

Ping.

I would like to repeat my offer to add this extra level of openness to
this information, my email might have been lost in the long thread. Is
there a reason for not switching on publishing to the public
spreadsheet so that the community can refer to a maintained wiki-table
of the same data on meta rather than relying entirely on Google's
excellent but closed-source collaboration tools?

Thanks,
Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Fæ]

On 21/04/2014, James Alexander  wrote:
...
> we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them
> here
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHc&single=true&gid=5&output=htmlsysadmin

James, if you open this spreadsheet and switch on publishing (go to
File / Publish to the web...) then I'll take a look at Faebot keeping
a table regularly synchronized on meta using the Google spreadsheets
API.

Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Gryllida]

On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, at 0:58, Isarra Yos wrote:
> On 20/04/14 11:50, Liangent wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Amir E. Aharoni, 20/04/2014 08:39:
> >>
> >>   Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with
> >>> parentheses.
> >>> It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and
> >>> doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention.
> >>>
> >> Your suggestion works against the built-in assumptions of MediaWiki for
> >> disambiguations.
> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Pipe_trick
> >>
> > Then "Gary, WMF"?
> >
> >
> >> Nemo
> 
> Removing the affiliation from the name itself and adding it as a group 
> would allow the mediawiki to format the name and group in a way that 
> makes sense for the given language. Keep to the parentheses for english 
> and such, do other things for ones where that doesn't work or wouldn't 
> be the norm.
> 
> -I

Removing the affiliation from the name itself could also help to keep a history 
of past affiliations and address issues raised by Risker earlier.

Gryllida.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Michael Peel]

On 21 Apr 2014, at 19:35, James Alexander  wrote:

> Right now it's on a google doc because it is a public view of the tracking
> spreadsheet Philippe and I use (which includes staff whose rights requests
> were denied or removed as well as some contact info and additional tracking
> (for example for the formal "staff rights" themselves we give training on
> what kind of approvals are needed for certain actions and record when that
> was done) and so gets automatically updated as I update that. I originally
> did it on a private wiki (I have a strong preference for wiki of some sort
> vs google docs personally)  but the spreadsheet has just tended to be a
> significantly easier tool for tracking and updating. I wouldn't want to
> duplicate it on wiki unless we put my whole process there (otherwise it is
> significantly more likely to get out of date) and to do that would require
> some additional discussion and thinking.

OK, fair enough. It would be nice to see the entire process take place 
transparently on meta, if possible.

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[James Alexander]

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Michael Peel  wrote:

> Hi James,
>
> On 21 Apr 2014, at 19:16, James Alexander 
> wrote:
>
> > Philippe and I have worked hard to try and make the 'staff' user group as
> > it traditionally stands a very 'as needed' right and so the default is
> now
> > to give out no rights or "smaller", more focused, rights (meta admin,
> > central notice admin, global interface editor etc) that fit their need. (
> > we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them
> > here
> >
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHc&single=true&gid=5&output=htmlsysadmin
> > rights aren't on there because they are generally handled by
> > engineering).
>
> Thanks for sharing that link. It didn't work for me the first time, but
> removing the output= parameter fixes that, so the working URL is:
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHc&single=true&gid=5
> Please can this be turned onto an on-wiki document, rather than being a
> google doc, as it's quite an important one that should be transparent to
> the community as a whole! I'd be happy to help with the wikification if
> that would be useful.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
>
Nemo was nice enough to add it to the the user groups page on meta so that
it's linked from there as well.

Right now it's on a google doc because it is a public view of the tracking
spreadsheet Philippe and I use (which includes staff whose rights requests
were denied or removed as well as some contact info and additional tracking
(for example for the formal "staff rights" themselves we give training on
what kind of approvals are needed for certain actions and record when that
was done) and so gets automatically updated as I update that. I originally
did it on a private wiki (I have a strong preference for wiki of some sort
vs google docs personally)  but the spreadsheet has just tended to be a
significantly easier tool for tracking and updating. I wouldn't want to
duplicate it on wiki unless we put my whole process there (otherwise it is
significantly more likely to get out of date) and to do that would require
some additional discussion and thinking.

James
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Nathan]

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 2:16 PM, James Alexander
wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Nathan  wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Marc A. Pelletier 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 04/21/2014 12:07 PM, Nathan wrote:
> > > > Of the 120 staffers that don't have a "staff account", how many have
> > > > accounts with (WMF) in the username - or accounts at all?
> > >
> > > I honestly do not know the numbers, though I'd wager "most" is close to
> > > reality - certainly any recent addition to the teams.
> > >
> > >
> > Ah, interesting. I wonder why its necessary for most or all WMF staffers
> to
> > have accounts with an explicit WMF affiliation.
>
>
>
> Aye, given the nature of our work the vast majority of staff have a staff
> account of some sort (not everyone uses separate accounts though we
> strongly encourage them to). In the end almost everyone on staff has a
> reason, at some point, to edit on a public wiki whether they are HR/Finance
> ( discussions or postings about FDC proposals/budget publications etc) or
> technical/community/grant focused. For many that need actually tends to
> lean towards meta and/or mediawiki only though a fair bit stretch elsewhere
> on the projects ( engineering and community people especially ).
>
> Philippe and I have worked hard to try and make the 'staff' user group as
> it traditionally stands a very 'as needed' right and so the default is now
> to give out no rights or "smaller", more focused, rights (meta admin,
> central notice admin, global interface editor etc) that fit their need. (
> we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them
> here
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHc&single=true&gid=5&output=htmlsysadmin
> rights aren't on there because they are generally handled by
> engineering).
>
> Overall we don't actually require separate accounts at the moment but I
> strongly encourage them, I think it behooves everyone to have a clear
> distinction between 'personal' and 'work' actions and the separate accounts
> help that significantly. I also think it helps in locking down access if
> they depart the foundation at some point.
>
> James


Thanks, that makes sense. After I asked I thought about project specific
wikis, meta, wikimediafoundation.org, etc. I do see that any staffer may
need access to one or more of these wikis, and with SUL that accounts get
propagated across all projects anyway.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Michael Peel]

Hi James,

On 21 Apr 2014, at 19:16, James Alexander  wrote:

> Philippe and I have worked hard to try and make the 'staff' user group as
> it traditionally stands a very 'as needed' right and so the default is now
> to give out no rights or "smaller", more focused, rights (meta admin,
> central notice admin, global interface editor etc) that fit their need. (
> we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them
> here
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHc&single=true&gid=5&output=htmlsysadmin
> rights aren't on there because they are generally handled by
> engineering).

Thanks for sharing that link. It didn't work for me the first time, but 
removing the output= parameter fixes that, so the working URL is:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHc&single=true&gid=5
Please can this be turned onto an on-wiki document, rather than being a google 
doc, as it's quite an important one that should be transparent to the community 
as a whole! I'd be happy to help with the wikification if that would be useful.

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[James Alexander]

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Nathan  wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Marc A. Pelletier 
> wrote:
>
> > On 04/21/2014 12:07 PM, Nathan wrote:
> > > Of the 120 staffers that don't have a "staff account", how many have
> > > accounts with (WMF) in the username - or accounts at all?
> >
> > I honestly do not know the numbers, though I'd wager "most" is close to
> > reality - certainly any recent addition to the teams.
> >
> >
> Ah, interesting. I wonder why its necessary for most or all WMF staffers to
> have accounts with an explicit WMF affiliation.



Aye, given the nature of our work the vast majority of staff have a staff
account of some sort (not everyone uses separate accounts though we
strongly encourage them to). In the end almost everyone on staff has a
reason, at some point, to edit on a public wiki whether they are HR/Finance
( discussions or postings about FDC proposals/budget publications etc) or
technical/community/grant focused. For many that need actually tends to
lean towards meta and/or mediawiki only though a fair bit stretch elsewhere
on the projects ( engineering and community people especially ).

Philippe and I have worked hard to try and make the 'staff' user group as
it traditionally stands a very 'as needed' right and so the default is now
to give out no rights or "smaller", more focused, rights (meta admin,
central notice admin, global interface editor etc) that fit their need. (
we ask for a use case for every rights request, you can see most of them
here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvhjkTJIpW2zdDl1bVBuOU1jQUJwOHd5YmhmSzFaZHc&single=true&gid=5&output=htmlsysadmin
rights aren't on there because they are generally handled by
engineering).

Overall we don't actually require separate accounts at the moment but I
strongly encourage them, I think it behooves everyone to have a clear
distinction between 'personal' and 'work' actions and the separate accounts
help that significantly. I also think it helps in locking down access if
they depart the foundation at some point.

James

James Alexander
Legal and Community Advocacy
Wikimedia Foundation
(415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Brandon Harris]

It is so that there is (theoretically) no question when we are 
operating as a staff versus operating as volunteers.


On Apr 21, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Nathan  wrote:

> Ah, interesting. I wonder why its necessary for most or all WMF staffers to
> have accounts with an explicit WMF affiliation.

---
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Nathan]

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Marc A. Pelletier  wrote:

> On 04/21/2014 12:07 PM, Nathan wrote:
> > Of the 120 staffers that don't have a "staff account", how many have
> > accounts with (WMF) in the username - or accounts at all?
>
> I honestly do not know the numbers, though I'd wager "most" is close to
> reality - certainly any recent addition to the teams.
>
>
Ah, interesting. I wonder why its necessary for most or all WMF staffers to
have accounts with an explicit WMF affiliation.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 04/21/2014 12:07 PM, Nathan wrote:
> Of the 120 staffers that don't have a "staff account", how many have
> accounts with (WMF) in the username - or accounts at all?

I honestly do not know the numbers, though I'd wager "most" is close to
reality - certainly any recent addition to the teams.

I think the confusion stems from the user right being /named/ "staff":
accounts aren't staff acounts by virtue of having the bit or not but
simply by having been created for the purpose of communicating with the
community in an 'official' function (all staffers are encouraged to
create such an account to discriminate their role from volunteer
involvement unrelated to the job).  My understanding is that you do not
keep the staff account when you leave the Foundation.

The staff userright, on the other hand, is granted and removed as needed
by the requirements of one's job at the time.

-- Marc


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Nathan]

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote:

> On 04/21/2014 09:16 AM, Nathan wrote:
> > Do WMF accounts still get the staff usergroup?
>
> Most accounts of staff and contractors do not get that usergroup: it is
> a very highly privileged group that includes pretty much every
> permission on every wiki, and access to it is on a strictly-needed basis.
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:GlobalUsers/Staff lists some 40
> accounts with the right - out of >160 staff - mostly of accounts held by
> people in LCA.
>
> So the presence of the group is not a usable discriminant.
>
> -- Marc
>
>
Of the 120 staffers that don't have a "staff account", how many have
accounts with (WMF) in the username - or accounts at all? I'd think that
unless employees had a predictable reason for editing qua staff, they
wouldn't need the (WMF) indicator or a staff flag, right? In any case, a
little off track with the initial proposal, which sounds like it doesn't
have a ton of support.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 04/21/2014 09:16 AM, Nathan wrote:
> Do WMF accounts still get the staff usergroup?

Most accounts of staff and contractors do not get that usergroup: it is
a very highly privileged group that includes pretty much every
permission on every wiki, and access to it is on a strictly-needed basis.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:GlobalUsers/Staff lists some 40
accounts with the right - out of >160 staff - mostly of accounts held by
people in LCA.

So the presence of the group is not a usable discriminant.

-- Marc


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Peter Southwood]

Hence the suggestion that the user has to request removal.
Cheers,
Peter
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On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

Preferable for the affiliation to be a variable linked to the username. 
It

can then be changed if/when applicable. Is should be possible to link a
string of affiliations to a username. User should be able to add
affiliations at will but probably should have to request to have them
removed
Peter
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Do WMF accounts still get the staff usergroup? If so, then the 
"affiliation

variable" already exists. Building the (WMF) into the username makes the
affiliation close to indelible; if it is confined to a usergroup, then the
removal of the usergroup hides the previously obvious connection between
edit and affiliation.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Nathan]

On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> Preferable for the affiliation to be a variable linked to the username. It
> can then be changed if/when applicable. Is should be possible to link a
> string of affiliations to a username. User should be able to add
> affiliations at will but probably should have to request to have them
> removed
> Peter
> - Original Message - From: "Chris McKenna" 
> To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" 
> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username
>
>
>
>
Do WMF accounts still get the staff usergroup? If so, then the "affiliation
variable" already exists. Building the (WMF) into the username makes the
affiliation close to indelible; if it is confined to a usergroup, then the
removal of the usergroup hides the previously obvious connection between
edit and affiliation.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Peter Southwood]

Preferable for the affiliation to be a variable linked to the username. It 
can then be changed if/when applicable. Is should be possible to link a 
string of affiliations to a username. User should be able to add 
affiliations at will but probably should have to request to have them 
removed

Peter
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username



On Sun, 20 Apr 2014, Isarra Yos wrote:


Removing the affiliation from the name itself and adding it as a group 
would allow the mediawiki to format the name and group in a way that 
makes sense for the given language. Keep to the parentheses for english 
and such, do other things for ones where that doesn't work or wouldn't be 
the norm.




That sounds like a good plan, although would need to be a plan to cope 
with duplicates, e.g. user:Whatamidoing and user:Whatamidoing (WMF) both 
exist.


Chris


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Chris McKenna]

On Sun, 20 Apr 2014, Isarra Yos wrote:


Removing the affiliation from the name itself and adding it as a group 
would allow the mediawiki to format the name and group in a way that 
makes sense for the given language. Keep to the parentheses for english 
and such, do other things for ones where that doesn't work or wouldn't 
be the norm.




That sounds like a good plan, although would need to be a plan to cope 
with duplicates, e.g. user:Whatamidoing and user:Whatamidoing (WMF) both 
exist.


Chris


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www.sucs.org/~cmckenna


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Isarra Yos]

On 20/04/14 11:50, Liangent wrote:

On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:


Amir E. Aharoni, 20/04/2014 08:39:

  Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with

parentheses.
It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and
doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention.


Your suggestion works against the built-in assumptions of MediaWiki for
disambiguations.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Pipe_trick


Then "Gary, WMF"?



Nemo


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Removing the affiliation from the name itself and adding it as a group 
would allow the mediawiki to format the name and group in a way that 
makes sense for the given language. Keep to the parentheses for english 
and such, do other things for ones where that doesn't work or wouldn't 
be the norm.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Liangent]

On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

> Amir E. Aharoni, 20/04/2014 08:39:
>
>  Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with
>> parentheses.
>> It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and
>> doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention.
>>
>
> Your suggestion works against the built-in assumptions of MediaWiki for
> disambiguations.
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Pipe_trick
>

Then "Gary, WMF"?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Amir E. Aharoni, 20/04/2014 08:39:

Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with parentheses.
It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and
doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention.


Your suggestion works against the built-in assumptions of MediaWiki for 
disambiguations.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Pipe_trick

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Philippe Beaudette]

Amir, this is the first time that one's been brought up.  I'll chat with
OIT about potentially changing moving forward.

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On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Amir E. Aharoni <
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

> Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with parentheses.
> It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and
> doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention.
> בתאריך 20 באפר 2014 02:17, מאת "Gryllida" :
>
> > On a second thought, do we want to add an optional "affiliation" field to
> > the signup form, so the affiliation goes at the end of username in
> braces?
> >
> > - DGarry (WMF)
> > - Fred (DesignSolutionsInc)
> > - David (MIT)
> > - ...
> >
> > So the signup form would look like this:
> >
> >  -
> > | |
> > | [ Username preview in large green font ]|
> > | |
> > | Username:   |
> > |  ___|
> > | Password:   |
> > |  ___|
> > | Password 2: |
> > |  ___|
> > | Email (optional):   |
> > |  ___|
> > | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): |
> > |  ___|
> > | |
> >  -
> >
> > I.e.
> >
> >  -
> > | |
> > | [ "Gryllida (FOO)" in large green font ]|
> > | |
> > | Username:   |
> > |  _Gryllida__|
> > | Password:   |
> > |  ___|
> > | Password 2: |
> > |  ___|
> > | Email (optional):   |
> > |  ___|
> > | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): |
> > |  _FOO___|
> > | |
> >  -
> >
> > Gryllida.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 1:25, rupert THURNER wrote:
> > > hi,
> > >
> > > could wmf please extend the mediawiki software in the following way:
> > > 1. it should knows "groups"
> > > 2. allow users to store an arbitrary number of groups with their
> profile
> > > 3. allow to select one of the "group"s joined to an edit when saving
> > > 4. add a checkbox "COI" to an edit, meaning "potential conflict of
> > interest"
> > > 5. display and filter edits marked with COI in a different color in
> > history
> > > views
> > > 6. display and filter edits done for a group in a different color in
> > > history views
> > > 7. allow members of a group to receive notifications done on the group
> > page,
> > >or when a group is mentioned in an edit/comment/talk page.
> > >
> > > reason:
> > > currently it is quite cumbersome to participate as an organisation. it
> is
> > > quite cumbersome for people as well to detect COI edits. the most
> > prominent
> > > examples are employees of the wikimedia foundation, and GLAMs. users
> tend
> > > to create multiple accounts, and try to create "company accounts". the
> > main
> > > reason for this behaviour are (examples, but of course valid general):
> > > * have a feedback page / notification page for the swiss federal
> archive
> > > for other users
> > > * make clear that an edit is done private or as wmf employee
> > >
> > > this then would allow the community to create new policies, e.g. the
> > german
> > > community might cease using company accounts, and switch over to this
> > > system. this proposal is purely technical. current policies can still
> be
> > > applied if people do not need something else, e.g. wmf employees may
> > > continue to use "sue gardner (wmf)" accounts.
> > >
> > > what you think?
> > >
> > > best regards,
> > > rupert
> > > --

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Amir E. Aharoni]

Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with parentheses.
It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and
doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention.
בתאריך 20 באפר 2014 02:17, מאת "Gryllida" :

> On a second thought, do we want to add an optional "affiliation" field to
> the signup form, so the affiliation goes at the end of username in braces?
>
> - DGarry (WMF)
> - Fred (DesignSolutionsInc)
> - David (MIT)
> - ...
>
> So the signup form would look like this:
>
>  -
> | |
> | [ Username preview in large green font ]|
> | |
> | Username:   |
> |  ___|
> | Password:   |
> |  ___|
> | Password 2: |
> |  ___|
> | Email (optional):   |
> |  ___|
> | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): |
> |  ___|
> | |
>  -
>
> I.e.
>
>  -
> | |
> | [ "Gryllida (FOO)" in large green font ]|
> | |
> | Username:   |
> |  _Gryllida__|
> | Password:   |
> |  ___|
> | Password 2: |
> |  ___|
> | Email (optional):   |
> |  ___|
> | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): |
> |  _FOO___|
> | |
>  -
>
> Gryllida.
>
>
> On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 1:25, rupert THURNER wrote:
> > hi,
> >
> > could wmf please extend the mediawiki software in the following way:
> > 1. it should knows "groups"
> > 2. allow users to store an arbitrary number of groups with their profile
> > 3. allow to select one of the "group"s joined to an edit when saving
> > 4. add a checkbox "COI" to an edit, meaning "potential conflict of
> interest"
> > 5. display and filter edits marked with COI in a different color in
> history
> > views
> > 6. display and filter edits done for a group in a different color in
> > history views
> > 7. allow members of a group to receive notifications done on the group
> page,
> >or when a group is mentioned in an edit/comment/talk page.
> >
> > reason:
> > currently it is quite cumbersome to participate as an organisation. it is
> > quite cumbersome for people as well to detect COI edits. the most
> prominent
> > examples are employees of the wikimedia foundation, and GLAMs. users tend
> > to create multiple accounts, and try to create "company accounts". the
> main
> > reason for this behaviour are (examples, but of course valid general):
> > * have a feedback page / notification page for the swiss federal archive
> > for other users
> > * make clear that an edit is done private or as wmf employee
> >
> > this then would allow the community to create new policies, e.g. the
> german
> > community might cease using company accounts, and switch over to this
> > system. this proposal is purely technical. current policies can still be
> > applied if people do not need something else, e.g. wmf employees may
> > continue to use "sue gardner (wmf)" accounts.
> >
> > what you think?
> >
> > best regards,
> > rupert
> > ---
> > swissGLAMour, http://wikimedia.ch
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

[Risker]

I hear where you're coming from, Gryllida.  This only works if there is
some mechanism by which the affiliation can be confirmed.  The (WMF)
affiliation is easily confirmed, and in fact anyone adding that affiliation
to their account name who isn't a WMF staffer gets blocked pretty quickly.

However, there's no easy mechanism to verify an affiliation external to the
WMF family.  I understand our colleagues at the German Wikipedia have a
process for verifying authorized accounts for specific entities, but their
community considers them role accounts and restricts them in particular
ways.  Other projects, including English Wikipedia, have essentially
"banned" role accounts.  What would happen if David (MIT) accepts a
position at Stanford? Does he have to change his username to David
(Stanford) - oh, that won't work since the original edits would be related
to MIT...so he'd have to start a new account David (Stanford), and somehow
link them.  What issues would arise if the user doesn't want to change
usernames once he's no longer affiliated with an organization?

I admit I'm partial to what German Wikipedia is doing with role accounts
for organizations, but given the harshness toward "commerce" accounts on
some other projects, I'm not sure it would work universally.

Best,

Risker/Anne


On 19 April 2014 19:17, Gryllida  wrote:

> On a second thought, do we want to add an optional "affiliation" field to
> the signup form, so the affiliation goes at the end of username in braces?
>
> - DGarry (WMF)
> - Fred (DesignSolutionsInc)
> - David (MIT)
> - ...
>
> So the signup form would look like this:
>
>  -
> | |
> | [ Username preview in large green font ]|
> | |
> | Username:   |
> |  ___|
> | Password:   |
> |  ___|
> | Password 2: |
> |  ___|
> | Email (optional):   |
> |  ___|
> | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): |
> |  ___|
> | |
>  -
>
> I.e.
>
>  -
> | |
> | [ "Gryllida (FOO)" in large green font ]|
> | |
> | Username:   |
> |  _Gryllida__|
> | Password:   |
> |  ___|
> | Password 2: |
> |  ___|
> | Email (optional):   |
> |  ___|
> | Affiliation (optional; if your editing is related to work): |
> |  _FOO___|
> | |
>  -
>
> Gryllida.
>
>
> On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 1:25, rupert THURNER wrote:
> > hi,
> >
> > could wmf please extend the mediawiki software in the following way:
> > 1. it should knows "groups"
> > 2. allow users to store an arbitrary number of groups with their profile
> > 3. allow to select one of the "group"s joined to an edit when saving
> > 4. add a checkbox "COI" to an edit, meaning "potential conflict of
> interest"
> > 5. display and filter edits marked with COI in a different color in
> history
> > views
> > 6. display and filter edits done for a group in a different color in
> > history views
> > 7. allow members of a group to receive notifications done on the group
> page,
> >or when a group is mentioned in an edit/comment/talk page.
> >
> > reason:
> > currently it is quite cumbersome to participate as an organisation. it is
> > quite cumbersome for people as well to detect COI edits. the most
> prominent
> > examples are employees of the wikimedia foundation, and GLAMs. users tend
> > to create multiple accounts, and try to create "company accounts". the
> main
> > reason for this behaviour are (examples, but of course valid general):
> > * have a feedback page / notification page for the swiss federal archive
> > for other use