Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-23 Thread Andrew Lih
The Wikimedia Strategy 2030 recommendations were published on January 20, 2020, but the language, size, and complexity can be a intimidating, even for native English speakers. I've attempted to summarize the recommendations into ONE PAGE, highlighting key concepts, structures and processes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-22 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Yes, thank you Andrew, that was actually what I was looking for. It is simply very difficult e.g. to search for a sentence that somebody quoted when the text is shattered over several pages and then with parts hidden as "collapsable". (I do not blame or criticise somebody for that, it is just that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-22 Thread Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
Thank you, Andrew. These PDF files weren't there when I looked, but thanks for pointing that out. *Itzik Edri* Chairperson (volunteer) it...@wikimedia.org.il +972-54-5878078 On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 7:47 PM Andrew Lih wrote: > There are PDF versions, which may not be easily spottable. They

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-21 Thread
Best practices for a good consensus are not political games. However dismissing the concerns of long term members of the community that the strategy references in every recommendation, by extremely obvious tone policing, is playing politics and marginalization. Thanks for referencing my Commons

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-21 Thread Aron Manning
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 11:50, Fæ wrote: > The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their interest to take on any > firm community consensus rather than playing > political games to get around it. > Political games, like requesting supermajority

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-21 Thread Aron Manning
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 12:57, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Could you please explain which of the mails in this thread are problematic > in your opinion? I think that I made a factual statement in the most > neutral way. > The strong focus on voting is in itself, not neutral. Voting at this scale

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-21 Thread Andrew Lih
There are PDF versions, which may not be easily spottable. They are the bottom of the introduction page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations Core:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-21 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi all I agree on that point. I suggest to the community to organize themselves to give a feedback and to contribute to have better and widely supported reccomandations but this process must progress. Everything can be improved and can be better but what is important is to keep this goal of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-21 Thread Philip Kopetzky
I'm not sure why you want to vote on something that you will have to adapt to your community needs and implement accordingly, Ziko. What exactly is contentious about them that needs a vote, especially when the implementation will hopefully lead to more decentralised structures? Or do you think it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-21 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Anders, Could you please explain which of the mails in this thread are problematic in your opinion? I think that I made a factual statement in the most neutral way. Anders, your opinion is that the recommendations are „wonderful“. I want to tolerate your opinion. But do you also tolerate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-21 Thread Anders Wennersten
Sometimes I wonder if we really belong to the same movement or even live on the same planet. A wonderful work has been done with the recomendations, and the end result looks very fine, with only a few minor comments needed as far as I can see.  And I believe whatever we think of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-21 Thread
Ziko, we can vote on whatever we want, whenever we want. Us having a RFC on meta does not need the WMF to approve it or like it. An openly run RFC could itself recommend a board resolution asking the community appointed board members (you know, the legitimate ones that are accountable to us) to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-21 Thread Gergő Tisza
Hi Todd, On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 8:06 PM Todd Allen wrote: > These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the feedback > on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect > anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be > talking to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-21 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is not going to let the communities vote on the recommendations. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations#Community_consensus Kind regards Ziko Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-21 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to react this time). Best Yaroslav On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen wrote: > Katherine, > > These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the feedback > on earlier versions was taken into consideration at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-21 Thread Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
A huge thank you to all the volunteers, staff and the core team who invested in this process unimaginable hours of work. Is there maybe a one document/pdf/printable version of the recommendations? It is a long document which I personally want to read carefully and I find it slightly complicated

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-20 Thread Todd Allen
Katherine, These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the feedback on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be talking to the wall? Todd On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine

[Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-20 Thread Katherine Maher
Dear all, I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the movement strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On behalf of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I am honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment