Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: > On 28/07/12 19:44, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: >> 2.2 By applying for, purchasing, holding or using a Ticket, a Ticket >> Holder agrees that he or she shall comply with these Terms and Conditions. >> >> http://www.tickets.london2012.com/pu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

On 28/07/12 19:44, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Platonides wrote: On 27/07/12 09:46, Nikola Smolenski wrote: An excellent list :) I'd like to add: you sneak in the stadium without paying the ticket. IOC can do nothing. Seriously, if IOC decides to go after someon

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2012/7/28 Anthony : > On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Platonides wrote: >> On 27/07/12 09:46, Nikola Smolenski wrote: >>> An excellent list :) I'd like to add: you sneak in the stadium without >>> paying the ticket. IOC can do nothing. >>> >>> Seriously, if IOC decides to go after someone, don't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > I suppose that, like any good Wikimedian, we like to balance ourselves on > the edge cases. We can imagine many. The underlying case would be IOC vs. > Uploader. These other points about joint authorship and photo editing really > have more b

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 1:44 PM, wrote: > 2.2 By applying for, purchasing, holding or using a Ticket, a Ticket Holder > agrees that he or she shall comply with these Terms and Conditions. > > http://www.tickets.london2012.com/purchaseterms.html Well, yeah, but legally that's nonsense. I can wr

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On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Platonides wrote: > On 27/07/12 09:46, Nikola Smolenski wrote: >> An excellent list :) I'd like to add: you sneak in the stadium without >> paying the ticket. IOC can do nothing. >> >> Seriously, if IOC decides to go after someone, don't they first have to >> prove

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On 24/07/12 12:15, Richard Symonds wrote: > WMUK have asked, and we live in London; some of us next door to the > stadium. The answer is a resounding 'no' from all corners, even when we > speak to the government. We've got a volunteer with very good access to the > games, but even behind the scenes

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On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Platonides wrote: > On 27/07/12 09:46, Nikola Smolenski wrote: >> An excellent list :) I'd like to add: you sneak in the stadium without >> paying the ticket. IOC can do nothing. >> >> Seriously, if IOC decides to go after someone, don't they first have to >> prove

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On 27/07/12 09:46, Nikola Smolenski wrote: > An excellent list :) I'd like to add: you sneak in the stadium without > paying the ticket. IOC can do nothing. > > Seriously, if IOC decides to go after someone, don't they first have to > prove that he bought the ticket? And how can they prove that?

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On 07/27/12 7:15 AM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: I don't see that joint authorship enters into this at all. I think it's safe to assume that the one holding the camera is the one making the creative decision

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On Jul 27, 2012, at 9:12 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: > *Assuming the recording was produced with consent of the performers. I should have noted this only applies to live musical performances! Birgitte SB ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia

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On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:29 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:47 PM, wrote: >> On Jul 27, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Anthony wrote: >>> My advice is that the law isn't that simple, and that blanket >>> statements of that type are quite often incorrect. >> >> To the degree that we can advi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:47 PM, wrote: > On Jul 27, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Anthony wrote: >> My advice is that the law isn't that simple, and that blanket >> statements of that type are quite often incorrect. > > To the degree that we can advise people at all on copyright, it is safe to > say that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

On Jul 27, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: >> I don't see that joint authorship enters into this at all. I think it's safe >> to assume that the one holding the camera is the one making the creative >> decisions about the photos. > >

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Even for the east end of London, I got some odd looks. Video was a but rubbish, but I tried! Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK On Jul 27, 2012 8:12 PM, "Stevie Benton" wrote: > Sounds like you're prepared for some flash photography. Ahem. > On Jul 27, 2012 8:08 PM, "Richard Symonds" < > richard.symo

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Sounds like you're prepared for some flash photography. Ahem. On Jul 27, 2012 8:08 PM, "Richard Symonds" wrote: > I'm about to video the flypast, outside on the road in my dressing gown. > Does that count as freedom of panorama? ;-) > > Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK > On Jul 27, 2012 3:48 PM, wr

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I'm about to video the flypast, outside on the road in my dressing gown. Does that count as freedom of panorama? ;-) Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK On Jul 27, 2012 3:48 PM, wrote: > wikim...@inbox.org wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Ray Saintonge > wrote: > > > I don't see that joint

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wikim...@inbox.org wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > > I don't see that joint authorship enters into this at all. I think it's safe > > to assume that the one holding the camera is the one making the creative > > decisions about the photos. > > Then continue to advi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > I don't see that joint authorship enters into this at all. I think it's safe > to assume that the one holding the camera is the one making the creative > decisions about the photos. Then continue to advise people that they are the sole owner

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

On 07/26/12 6:47 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:23 AM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Sources for the restrictions: * http://www.tickets.london2012.com/purchaseterms.html * PDF: http://j.mp/london2012prohibited I really can't figur

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On 07/26/12 5:01 PM, FT2 wrote: but ticket T&C prohibitions include "unauthorised transmissions and/or recording through mobile telephones or other instruments (video cameras, tape recorders, etc)" I saw that in 19.3.2. It seems i

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On 27/07/12 03:47, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:23 AM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: There is a contractual arrangement between the IOC and the photographer as specified in terms and conditions on the ticket. If some one makes photos available commercially then they

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On 07/26/12 3:51 PM, Anthony wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: Copyrights wouldn't apply because you own the copyrights in the pictures you take. Maybe. You own the copyright fully if you are the sole contributor of the creative input which went into the picture. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

On 07/26/12 9:31 AM, Peter Coombe wrote: Unfortunately people will still be bombarded with coverage of it from everywhere else, so probably a futile gesture. We may not be able to get photos of the glamorous sporting events to illustrate our articles, but there are plenty of associated events th

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On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:06 PM, wrote: > On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Anthony wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: >>> Copyrights wouldn't apply because you own the copyrights in the pictures you >>> take. >> >> Maybe. You own the copyright fully if you are the s

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And here is the correct second link: http://williampatry.blogspot.com/2008/03/photographs-are-not-derivative-works.html On Jul 26, 2012, at 9:13 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: > The first version sent too soon and was almost unreadable, sorry if you > struggled through it. Here it is again

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The first version sent too soon and was almost unreadable, sorry if you struggled through it. Here it is again with copy-editing. On Jul 26, 2012, at 9:06 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Anthony wrote: > >> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Ray Sain

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: >> Copyrights wouldn't apply because you own the copyrights in the pictures you >> take. > > Maybe. You own the copyright fully if you are the sole contributor of > the creative input which

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:23 AM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: > kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: > Sources for the restrictions: > * http://www.tickets.london2012.com/purchaseterms.html > * PDF: http://j.mp/london2012prohibited >> >> I really can't figure out the difference betwee

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

Two quick notes - Photography from public land is permissible, though security/police may try to object. Cannot be stopped, equipment seized, or photos deleted unless "reasona

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Naive and over reactive. Do that all the time and it's pointless (loses value). That was the consensus at the time of SOPA and I don't see anything that's changed since. Blackouts are the rarest of rare protests, certainly not for matters that don't threaten us. At worst inability to freely photo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > Copyrights wouldn't apply because you own the copyrights in the pictures you > take. Maybe. You own the copyright fully if you are the sole contributor of the creative input which went into the picture. If someone else also contributed, th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

On 07/26/12 2:23 AM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Sources for the restrictions: * http://www.tickets.london2012.com/purchaseterms.html * PDF: http://j.mp/london2012prohibited I really can't figure out the difference between your example about personality rig

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Hi, On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Peter Coombe wrote: > > We may not be able to get photos of the glamorous sporting events to > illustrate our articles, but there are plenty of associated events > that ought to be documented which the IOC can't prevent you from > photographing and freely lice

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Unfortunately people will still be bombarded with coverage of it from everywhere else, so probably a futile gesture. We may not be able to get photos of the glamorous sporting events to illustrate our articles, but there are plenty of associated events that ought to be documented which the IOC can

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It's time to black out coverage of the olympics. This would be a blackout that could actually make a difference. On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > Would it make sense to start a more thorough long term lobby on this issue? > Considering that this will be a returning issue every

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kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: > >>> Sources for the restrictions: > >>> * http://www.tickets.london2012.com/purchaseterms.html > >>> * PDF: http://j.mp/london2012prohibited > > I really can't figure out the difference between your example about > personality rights and my previous, so I don't se

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012/7/24 Tomasz Ganicz : > 2012/7/24 Cristian Consonni : >> 2012/7/24 Amir E. Aharoni : >>> Hi, >>> >>> The Olympic games are beginning soon. Apparently, ticket holders >>> cannot use photo equipment longer than 30cm and cannot use the photos >>> and videos for commercial purposes without accredit

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2012/7/25 Thomas Souza-Buckup : > Lodewijk > > I agree with you. It makes a lot of sense to start now a negotiation with > the IOC in order to prepare for the next Olympic Games taking place in > Brazil in 2016. The winter games in Sochi 2014 are supposed to be quite interesting, too. > It may ta

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Lodewijk I agree with you. It makes a lot of sense to start now a negotiation with the IOC in order to prepare for the next Olympic Games taking place in Brazil in 2016. It may take a long time for us to see the first results and thereafter we should start asap a "more thorough long term lobby on

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~ Keegan Sent mobile On Jul 24, 2012 2:50 PM, "Amir E. Aharoni" wrote: > > Most of all, I'm still curious about the reasons that the IOC (or > whoever is in charge) provided for the refusals. > > In the immortal words of Steve Martin in The Jerk, "It's a profit deal! That really takes the pressur

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2012/7/24 Lodewijk : > Would it make sense to start a more thorough long term lobby on this issue? > Considering that this will be a returning issue every two years, I guess > that would be worth the trouble... Generally, I think that it would be a good idea. I'm just not very comfortable with the

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Would it make sense to start a more thorough long term lobby on this issue? Considering that this will be a returning issue every two years, I guess that would be worth the trouble... Lodewijk 2012/7/24 Tomasz Ganicz > 2012/7/24 Cristian Consonni : > > 2012/7/24 Amir E. Aharoni : > >> Hi, > >>

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2012/7/24 Cristian Consonni : > 2012/7/24 Amir E. Aharoni : >> Hi, >> >> The Olympic games are beginning soon. Apparently, ticket holders >> cannot use photo equipment longer than 30cm and cannot use the photos >> and videos for commercial purposes without accreditation. >> >> Practically everythin

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On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Frederic Schutz wrote: > Has anyone from the Wikimedia community contacted the IOC on this matter? > This conversation came up about a month ago on the Communications Committee list and Jimmy mentioned that he had made requests through his channels and had also b

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2012/7/24 Amir E. Aharoni : > Hi, > > The Olympic games are beginning soon. Apparently, ticket holders > cannot use photo equipment longer than 30cm and cannot use the photos > and videos for commercial purposes without accreditation. > > Practically everything that happens at the Olympics is notab

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On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Andrew Gray wrote: > On 24 July 2012 10:21, Frederic Schutz wrote: > > Has anyone from the Wikimedia community contacted the IOC on this matter? > > > > If not, WM CH could give it a try (their headquarters are in Switzerland, > > actually less than 2km away from

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2012/7/24 Richard Symonds : > WMUK have asked, and we live in London; some of us next door to the > stadium. The answer is a resounding 'no' from all corners, even when we > speak to the government. We've got a volunteer with very good access to the > games, but even behind the scenes it's difficul

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WMUK have asked, and we live in London; some of us next door to the stadium. The answer is a resounding 'no' from all corners, even when we speak to the government. We've got a volunteer with very good access to the games, but even behind the scenes it's difficult to get photographs. The IOC are n

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2012/7/24 Andrew Gray : > On 24 July 2012 10:21, Frederic Schutz wrote: >> Has anyone from the Wikimedia community contacted the IOC on this matter? >> >> If not, WM CH could give it a try (their headquarters are in Switzerland, >> actually less than 2km away from my place). I'm not overly optimis

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On 24 July 2012 10:21, Frederic Schutz wrote: > Has anyone from the Wikimedia community contacted the IOC on this matter? > > If not, WM CH could give it a try (their headquarters are in Switzerland, > actually less than 2km away from my place). I'm not overly optimistic, but > it may be worth a t

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On 24/07/12 11:43, Tomasz Ganicz wrote: Has anyone from the Wikimedia community contacted the IOC on this matter? If not, WM CH could give it a try (their headquarters are in Switzerland, actually less than 2km away from my place). I'm not overly optimistic, but it may be worth a try. Accord

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2012/7/24 Frederic Schutz : > Has anyone from the Wikimedia community contacted the IOC on this matter? > > If not, WM CH could give it a try (their headquarters are in Switzerland, > actually less than 2km away from my place). I'm not overly optimistic, but > it may be worth a try. > According to

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I assume that a photographer with an accreditation may take photos also for commercial use. I suppose that the IOC connects the right to take this kind of photos with the accreditation and to pay a contingent grant as soon this accreditation is assigned. The use of limited photo equipments for th

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Has anyone from the Wikimedia community contacted the IOC on this matter? If not, WM CH could give it a try (their headquarters are in Switzerland, actually less than 2km away from my place). I'm not overly optimistic, but it may be worth a try. Frédéric On 24/07/12 11:05, Liam Wyatt wrote:

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On 24 July 2012 10:35, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > 2012/7/24 ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) : >> May be we should take such anomalies to public forums! > > I'm not actually sure that it's an anomaly. As I said, I don't follow > sports and I only noticed such a thing now for the first time, but I > don't fin

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This issue is not merely theoretical. Many will recall the controversy surrounding the free-licensed photo of Usain Bolt, on Commons, taken during the Beijing Olympics: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-10-12/In_the_news - http://ragesoss.com/blog/2009/10/09/wikipedi

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2012/7/24 ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) : > May be we should take such anomalies to public forums! I'm not actually sure that it's an anomaly. As I said, I don't follow sports and I only noticed such a thing now for the first time, but I don't find it extremely surprising. I can even understand the res

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May be we should take such anomalies to public forums! Slash dot? Free knowledge forums? Press? Media? Olympics is not just a money spinning sponsored affair. Information about the happenings there is the right of every universal citizen! The 'long' camera may have something to do with security.

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Wikimedia Ch gives usually accreditations and we did it in the past also for sport's events. Naturally we gives accreditation only to people who send as formal request and are identified (no unknown people). In general we contact the press office of the event and inform them that a defined number