Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-08-01 Thread Yann Forget
2012/7/28 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/07/12 09:46, Nikola Smolenski wrote: An excellent list :) I'd like to add: you sneak in the stadium without paying the ticket. IOC can do nothing. Seriously, if IOC decides to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-08-01 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: On 28/07/12 19:44, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: 2.2 By applying for, purchasing, holding or using a Ticket, a Ticket Holder agrees that he or she shall comply with these Terms and Conditions.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-28 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 07/27/12 7:15 AM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net wrote: I don't see that joint authorship enters into this at all. I think it's safe to assume that the one holding the camera is the one making

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-28 Thread Platonides
On 27/07/12 09:46, Nikola Smolenski wrote: An excellent list :) I'd like to add: you sneak in the stadium without paying the ticket. IOC can do nothing. Seriously, if IOC decides to go after someone, don't they first have to prove that he bought the ticket? And how can they prove that? What

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-28 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/07/12 09:46, Nikola Smolenski wrote: An excellent list :) I'd like to add: you sneak in the stadium without paying the ticket. IOC can do nothing. Seriously, if IOC decides to go after someone, don't they first have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-28 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 1:44 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: 2.2 By applying for, purchasing, holding or using a Ticket, a Ticket Holder agrees that he or she shall comply with these Terms and Conditions. http://www.tickets.london2012.com/purchaseterms.html Well, yeah, but legally that's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-28 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: I suppose that, like any good Wikimedian, we like to balance ourselves on the edge cases. We can imagine many. The underlying case would be IOC vs. Uploader. These other points about joint authorship and photo editing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-27 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 07/26/12 3:51 PM, Anthony wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net wrote: Copyrights wouldn't apply because you own the copyrights in the pictures you take. Maybe. You own the copyright fully if you are the sole contributor of the creative input which went

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-27 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 27/07/12 03:47, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:23 AM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: There is a contractual arrangement between the IOC and the photographer as specified in terms and conditions on the ticket. If some one makes photos available commercially then they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-27 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 07/26/12 6:47 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:23 AM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Sources for the restrictions: * http://www.tickets.london2012.com/purchaseterms.html * PDF: http://j.mp/london2012prohibited I really can't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-27 Thread wiki-list
wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: I don't see that joint authorship enters into this at all. I think it's safe to assume that the one holding the camera is the one making the creative decisions about the photos. Then

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-27 Thread Richard Symonds
I'm about to video the flypast, outside on the road in my dressing gown. Does that count as freedom of panorama? ;-) Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK On Jul 27, 2012 3:48 PM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Ray Saintonge

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-27 Thread Stevie Benton
Sounds like you're prepared for some flash photography. Ahem. On Jul 27, 2012 8:08 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I'm about to video the flypast, outside on the road in my dressing gown. Does that count as freedom of panorama? ;-) Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-27 Thread Richard Symonds
Even for the east end of London, I got some odd looks. Video was a but rubbish, but I tried! Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK On Jul 27, 2012 8:12 PM, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Sounds like you're prepared for some flash photography. Ahem. On Jul 27, 2012 8:08 PM, Richard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-27 Thread Birgitte_sb
On Jul 27, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: I don't see that joint authorship enters into this at all. I think it's safe to assume that the one holding the camera is the one making the creative

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-27 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:47 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jul 27, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: My advice is that the law isn't that simple, and that blanket statements of that type are quite often incorrect. To the degree that we can advise people at all on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-26 Thread Cristian Consonni
2012/7/24 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com: 2012/7/24 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com: 2012/7/24 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il: Hi, The Olympic games are beginning soon. Apparently, ticket holders cannot use photo equipment longer than 30cm and cannot use the photos

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-26 Thread Anthony
It's time to black out coverage of the olympics. This would be a blackout that could actually make a difference. On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Would it make sense to start a more thorough long term lobby on this issue? Considering that this will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-26 Thread Peter Coombe
Unfortunately people will still be bombarded with coverage of it from everywhere else, so probably a futile gesture. We may not be able to get photos of the glamorous sporting events to illustrate our articles, but there are plenty of associated events that ought to be documented which the IOC

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-26 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hi, On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.com wrote: We may not be able to get photos of the glamorous sporting events to illustrate our articles, but there are plenty of associated events that ought to be documented which the IOC can't prevent you from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-26 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 07/26/12 2:23 AM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Sources for the restrictions: * http://www.tickets.london2012.com/purchaseterms.html * PDF: http://j.mp/london2012prohibited I really can't figure out the difference between your example about personality

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-26 Thread FT2
Naive and over reactive. Do that all the time and it's pointless (loses value). That was the consensus at the time of SOPA and I don't see anything that's changed since. Blackouts are the rarest of rare protests, certainly not for matters that don't threaten us. At worst inability to freely photo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-26 Thread FT2
Two quick notes - Photography from public land is permissible, though security/police may try to objecthttp://blogs.metro.co.uk/olympics/photographers-right-to-be-angry-about-competing-in-olympics-security-hurdles/. Cannot be stopped, equipment seized, or photos deleted unless

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-26 Thread Birgitte_sb
On Jul 26, 2012, at 4:23 AM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Sources for the restrictions: * http://www.tickets.london2012.com/purchaseterms.html * PDF: http://j.mp/london2012prohibited I really can't figure out the difference between your example

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-26 Thread Birgitte_sb
On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: Copyrights wouldn't apply because you own the copyrights in the pictures you take. Maybe. You own the copyright fully if you are the sole contributor

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-26 Thread Birgitte_sb
The first version sent too soon and was almost unreadable, sorry if you struggled through it. Here it is again with copy-editing. On Jul 26, 2012, at 9:06 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:23

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-26 Thread Birgitte_sb
And here is the correct second link: http://williampatry.blogspot.com/2008/03/photographs-are-not-derivative-works.html On Jul 26, 2012, at 9:13 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: The first version sent too soon and was almost unreadable, sorry if you struggled through it. Here it is again

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-26 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:06 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: Copyrights wouldn't apply because you own the copyrights in the pictures you take. Maybe.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-26 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 07/26/12 9:31 AM, Peter Coombe wrote: Unfortunately people will still be bombarded with coverage of it from everywhere else, so probably a futile gesture. We may not be able to get photos of the glamorous sporting events to illustrate our articles, but there are plenty of associated events

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-25 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2012/7/25 Thomas Souza-Buckup thomassouzabuc...@gmail.com: Lodewijk I agree with you. It makes a lot of sense to start now a negotiation with the IOC in order to prepare for the next Olympic Games taking place in Brazil in 2016. The winter games in Sochi 2014 are supposed to be quite

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-24 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Wikimedia Ch gives usually accreditations and we did it in the past also for sport's events. Naturally we gives accreditation only to people who send as formal request and are identified (no unknown people). In general we contact the press office of the event and inform them that a defined

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-24 Thread വിശ്വപ്രഭ
May be we should take such anomalies to public forums! Slash dot? Free knowledge forums? Press? Media? Olympics is not just a money spinning sponsored affair. Information about the happenings there is the right of every universal citizen! The 'long' camera may have something to do with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-24 Thread Liam Wyatt
This issue is not merely theoretical. Many will recall the controversy surrounding the free-licensed photo of Usain Bolt, on Commons, taken during the Beijing Olympics: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-10-12/In_the_news -

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-24 Thread Petr Kadlec
On 24 July 2012 10:35, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2012/7/24 ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) vp2...@gmail.com: May be we should take such anomalies to public forums! I'm not actually sure that it's an anomaly. As I said, I don't follow sports and I only noticed such a thing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-24 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
2012/7/24 Frederic Schutz sch...@mathgen.ch: Has anyone from the Wikimedia community contacted the IOC on this matter? If not, WM CH could give it a try (their headquarters are in Switzerland, actually less than 2km away from my place). I'm not overly optimistic, but it may be worth a try.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-24 Thread Frederic Schutz
On 24/07/12 11:43, Tomasz Ganicz wrote: Has anyone from the Wikimedia community contacted the IOC on this matter? If not, WM CH could give it a try (their headquarters are in Switzerland, actually less than 2km away from my place). I'm not overly optimistic, but it may be worth a try.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-24 Thread Andrew Gray
On 24 July 2012 10:21, Frederic Schutz sch...@mathgen.ch wrote: Has anyone from the Wikimedia community contacted the IOC on this matter? If not, WM CH could give it a try (their headquarters are in Switzerland, actually less than 2km away from my place). I'm not overly optimistic, but it may

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-24 Thread Richard Symonds
WMUK have asked, and we live in London; some of us next door to the stadium. The answer is a resounding 'no' from all corners, even when we speak to the government. We've got a volunteer with very good access to the games, but even behind the scenes it's difficult to get photographs. The IOC are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-24 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2012/7/24 Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk: WMUK have asked, and we live in London; some of us next door to the stadium. The answer is a resounding 'no' from all corners, even when we speak to the government. We've got a volunteer with very good access to the games, but even

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-24 Thread Ilario Valdelli
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.ukwrote: On 24 July 2012 10:21, Frederic Schutz sch...@mathgen.ch wrote: Has anyone from the Wikimedia community contacted the IOC on this matter? If not, WM CH could give it a try (their headquarters are in Switzerland,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-24 Thread Cristian Consonni
2012/7/24 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il: Hi, The Olympic games are beginning soon. Apparently, ticket holders cannot use photo equipment longer than 30cm and cannot use the photos and videos for commercial purposes without accreditation. Practically everything that happens at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-24 Thread Matthew Roth
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Frederic Schutz sch...@mathgen.ch wrote: Has anyone from the Wikimedia community contacted the IOC on this matter? This conversation came up about a month ago on the Communications Committee list and Jimmy mentioned that he had made requests through his

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-24 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
2012/7/24 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com: 2012/7/24 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il: Hi, The Olympic games are beginning soon. Apparently, ticket holders cannot use photo equipment longer than 30cm and cannot use the photos and videos for commercial purposes without

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-24 Thread Lodewijk
Would it make sense to start a more thorough long term lobby on this issue? Considering that this will be a returning issue every two years, I guess that would be worth the trouble... Lodewijk 2012/7/24 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com 2012/7/24 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-24 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2012/7/24 Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org: Would it make sense to start a more thorough long term lobby on this issue? Considering that this will be a returning issue every two years, I guess that would be worth the trouble... Generally, I think that it would be a good idea. I'm just not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] photography restrictions at the Olympics

2012-07-24 Thread Keegan Peterzell
~ Keegan Sent mobile On Jul 24, 2012 2:50 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Most of all, I'm still curious about the reasons that the IOC (or whoever is in charge) provided for the refusals. In the immortal words of Steve Martin in The Jerk, It's a profit deal! That