Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this list

2014-03-16 Thread Adam Jenkins
Although I don't know the cause of Tony's problems, when I tried to get an automated email sent from the listserver just now, Gmail automatically transferred them into the social category so that they weren't visible, which initially led me to assume that they weren't making it through. Some email

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this list

2014-03-16 Thread Sam Wilson
Yeah, Hanlon's razor perhaps should be remembered here! :-) Not that I mean to imply any incompetence on the part of the list administrators, but I do imagine that it's more likely that someone's made a mistake here and is not being actively mean. And Toby, I do recall reading an email from

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this list

2014-03-16 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Sam Wilson s...@samwilson.id.au wrote: Yeah, Hanlon's razor perhaps should be remembered here! :-) Not that I mean to imply any incompetence on the part of the list administrators, but I do imagine that it's more likely that someone's made a mistake here and is

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this list

2014-03-16 Thread Steven Zhang
Hi all, Just to confirm, this was a deliberate removal and not a technical error. Two brief points here: 1. This was not a unilateral action that I took - it was a discussion that the committee had in its January meeting, and decided on as a whole, in addition to being a decision that was

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this list

2014-03-16 Thread K. Peachey
On 16 March 2014 17:50, Steven Zhang steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au wrote: 2. … but actively disrupting the list is against both the rules and spirit of the list, and always has been. … [Citation Needed], I see no rules http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Mailing_list or

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this list

2014-03-16 Thread Andrew Owens
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists Please respect Wikiquettehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquetteand avoid personal attackshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attackson the mailing lists, especially in the subject header as this is likely to be

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Drama

2014-03-16 Thread Craig Franklin
On 16 March 2014 19:18, wikimediaau-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: John, given that you were not involved in this and you have integrity, would you care to undo what Steven and Charles done to Tony. Cheers Scotty I trust that John has the good sense not to do the mailing list

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this list

2014-03-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 March 2014 15:45, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: So I would suggest for the future (1) when kicking someone, say so and why (unless there's a really good reason not to) (2) have a mix of list admins. I'll note also we have occasionally put people on moderation when they're

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this list

2014-03-16 Thread tony2
Warning, Russavia: you are coming perilously close to being sued. Keep repeating your behaviour and I'll have no choice to be file a case. If the list administrators are prepared to accuse me without basis of making personal attacks while letting other members personally attack me, they will

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Drama

2014-03-16 Thread Russavia
Craig, Can you possibly explain how John doing the RIGHT thing would be a wheel war. If we were to apply on-wiki rules here, John undoing Steven's action would be normal practice. If Zhang were to come along and undo John's action, then this would be wheel warring. The exception to this is if

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Drama

2014-03-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 March 2014 16:25, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Can you possibly explain how John doing the RIGHT thing would be a wheel war. Personally I'd kick you both off and say so, but that's just speaking as a third-party observer. It's not a *right* to post to a Wikimedia list.

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this list

2014-03-16 Thread Brian Salter-Duke
Tony and everybody else. I have had enough. I do not want to remain a member of a volunteer organisation where this kind of drama goes on. I will not renew. I am an officer of two other incorporated associations and in the past have been an officer or committee member of several more. There is

[Wikimediaau-l] Scotty, Tony and Steven

2014-03-16 Thread billinghurst
What a total load of self-serving bullshit. * Tony - if you bleat and whine and attack, these things happen. What is the surprise? Such is life. Grow up. * Scotty - really, find a bitch fight and join in. Grow up. * Steven - poor list administration. Make a decision and tell them. Grow up. *

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this list

2014-03-16 Thread Chris Watkins
Has anyone in Australia ever been sued for calling someone else something hurtful? If this is possible, imagine how much money politicians celebs could make. Terms like twit are really best avoided, but that's not for legal reasons, AFAIK. I found this thread by accident - I filter this list

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Scotty, Tony and Steven

2014-03-16 Thread Lyle Allan
I think banning someone is ridiculous. John Vandenberg is a very competent administrator and former President, and has done an extremely good job. I think we should take notice of what he says. Tony has something to say on the list, and is entitled to be heard. I believe him to have the

[Wikimediaau-l] Jetstar relicences photos under CC-BY-SA

2014-03-16 Thread Russavia
Hey all, I have been quite active in recent months in getting photos on Flickr relicenced, and have been quite successful in this. Aside from individual photographers, some of the organisations which have relicenced their photos after my request include Maersk Line, Austrian Airlines, Bahrain

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Jetstar relicences photos under CC-BY-SA

2014-03-16 Thread Liam Wyatt
Now that's a pretty damn cool release! Just looking through the flickr stream I can see some pics that we will have no use for (staff Halloween party, anyone?) but a *whole bunch* that we can - individual airframes, maintenance work underway, plane interiors (inc. the cockpit) and fittings, ground

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Jetstar relicences photos under CC-BY-SA

2014-03-16 Thread Steven Zhang
Indeed, this is a great achievement :) I look forward to seeing how it improves our aviation articles on Wikipedia. Steve On 17/03/2014 2:03 pm, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: Now that's a pretty damn cool release! Just looking through the flickr stream I can see some pics that we will