Warning, Russavia: you are coming perilously close to being sued. Keep
repeating your behaviour and I'll have no choice to be file a case. If
the list administrators are prepared to accuse me without basis of
making personal attacks while letting other members personally attack
me, they will probably be involved in the litigation too.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wikimedia Australia Chapter" 
To:"Wikimedia Australia Chapter" 
Sent:Mon, 17 Mar 2014 00:17:01 +0800
Subject:Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this

 I have a very low tolerance for bullshit, and I will call people out
on it whenever I see it. 
 Seriously, if you feel belittled and hurt by me calling you an
a-grade twit, then might I suggest you stop acting like, well, an
a-grade twit. If you can't do that, then I have nothing more to say to
you but toughen up princess! 
 Oh Tony, by the way, the case you mentioned involved a student who
posted comments on facebook about a music teacher at Orange High
School, accusing her of being responsible for her father leaving the
school -- his father used to be the music teacher.  
 There is a vast difference between me expressing my personal opinion
of you being a twit, and the student essentially accusing the high
school teacher of....would corruption fit the accusations? Isn't
corruption exactly the same thing that you have accused others of on
numerous occasions, including in the subject of your initial email.
Wouldn't this open you up to legal action? 
 So Tony, take your threats of legal action and shove em where the sun
don't shine.  
 You really are your worst enemy! 

On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 11:34 PM,  wrote:
 Dear subscribers
 I reply to comments in this thread: 
 To Scott Bibby (Russavia): Thank you for your in-principle support;
your argument was compelling and well expressed. However, I find the
personal attack in public belittling and hurtful. Please note the
recent Australian court judgement in which a schoolboy was ordered to
pay his former school teacher $110,000 in damages for what he said
about her on the internet. Calling me an "a-grade twit" on a public
list exposes you to the risk of legal action.   
 It's interesting that Steven Zhang, as an administrator of the
mailing list, chose to let this attack pass without mention, while at
the same time accusing me of having "engaged in repeated personal
attacks on a number of individuals". No evidence of personal attacks
by me has been provided. I am careful not to insult or belittle anyone
in public. Accusing the committee of neglect or wrongdoing in their
official capacity is quite a different matter—if we try to censor
criticism of legal propriety and governance, we're better off in
Putin's Russia, and we certainly don't deserve to use the WMF
 So where exactly are the are the "personal attacks" I've made on this
mailing list, aside from raising uncomfortable questions about
governance and transparency? 
 I, too, would like to know who the WMF staff member was. Did Zhang
explain the actual situation to them properly? Was I maligned in
communications with them? For the Foundation to support what amounts
to the maladministration of one of its mailing lists needs to be
 Transparency is required in the way the WMAU committee does business.
I raised several issues concerning governance and transparency in the
post that seems to have prompted Steven Zhang to ban my email address
from the list. Rather than responding to the issues I raised, there
was a blunt refusal to do discuss them. This should be of concern to
all members of the WMF movement. There is an implicit expectation that
the ways in which $80,000 in donors' money is spent should be open and
accountable. What recent spending decisions have been made? Are all
members of the committee consulted about financial decision-making? 
  Was Andrew Owen legally a member of the chapter when he stood for
election last November? Did he pay his renewal fee "in advance on or
before 1 July" as required by chapter by-law 4(12)? If not, was his
cessation of membership recorded on the members' register by 14 July,
as required by section 56(3) of the Associations Incorporation Reform
Act 2012? Did the committee "approve" his application for membership
that was made just before the November election in which he stood for
the position of secretary? (Formal approval is required under chapter
by-laws 4(5) and 4(6).) If not, I believe that neither his membership
nor his position on the committee is legal.  

----- Original Message -----
 From: "Wikimedia Australia Chapter"  
To:"Wikimedia Australia Chapter" 
Sent:Sun, 16 Mar 2014 17:23:18 +0800
Subject:Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists [4]

"Please respect Wikiquette [5] and avoid personal attacks [6] on the
mailing lists, especially in the subject header as this is likely to
be repeated by those replying."

It's in black and white.

kindest regards

On 16 March 2014 17:18, K. Peachey  wrote:
 On 16 March 2014 17:50, Steven Zhang  wrote:  

         2. … but actively disrupting the list is against both the rules
and spirit of the list, and always has been. …   
 [Citation Needed], I see no
rules http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Mailing_list [9]
or https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l [10].

 And what and which foundation staff members where involved in this?  
 Wikimediaau-l mailing list
Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org [11]
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l [12]

 Wikimediaau-l mailing list
Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org [13]
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l [14]


[1] mailto:to...@iinet.net.au
[2] mailto:wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
[3] mailto:wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette
[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks
[7] mailto:p858sn...@gmail.com
[8] mailto:steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au
[9] http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Mailing_list
[10] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[11] mailto:Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
[12] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
[13] mailto:Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
[14] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l

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