Tony and everybody else. I have had enough. I do not want to remain a member of a volunteer organisation where this kind of drama goes on. I will not renew. I am an officer of two other incorporated associations and in the past have been an officer or committee member of several more. There is always a recognition that we do the best we can in often difficult circumstances and "bend" rules occassionally in the interests of the members and the association. We are volunteers. We can not be totally rigid. When I became a founding member of WMAU and Public Officer, I expected that is how it would work, and it did for a while. However this drama is just one of many and one too many for me.
Brian. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:26:07AM +0800, [email protected] wrote: > Warning, Russavia: you are coming perilously close to being sued. Keep > repeating your behaviour and I'll have no choice to be file a case. If > the list administrators are prepared to accuse me without basis of > making personal attacks while letting other members personally attack > me, they will probably be involved in the litigation too. > Tony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wikimedia Australia Chapter" > To:"Wikimedia Australia Chapter" > Cc: > Sent:Mon, 17 Mar 2014 00:17:01 +0800 > Subject:Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this > list > > Tony, > I have a very low tolerance for bullshit, and I will call people out > on it whenever I see it. > Seriously, if you feel belittled and hurt by me calling you an > a-grade twit, then might I suggest you stop acting like, well, an > a-grade twit. If you can't do that, then I have nothing more to say to > you but toughen up princess! > Oh Tony, by the way, the case you mentioned involved a student who > posted comments on facebook about a music teacher at Orange High > School, accusing her of being responsible for her father leaving the > school -- his father used to be the music teacher. > There is a vast difference between me expressing my personal opinion > of you being a twit, and the student essentially accusing the high > school teacher of....would corruption fit the accusations? Isn't > corruption exactly the same thing that you have accused others of on > numerous occasions, including in the subject of your initial email. > Wouldn't this open you up to legal action? > So Tony, take your threats of legal action and shove em where the sun > don't shine. > You really are your worst enemy! > Scotty > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 11:34 PM, wrote: > Dear subscribers > I reply to comments in this thread: > To Scott Bibby (Russavia): Thank you for your in-principle support; > your argument was compelling and well expressed. However, I find the > personal attack in public belittling and hurtful. Please note the > recent Australian court judgement in which a schoolboy was ordered to > pay his former school teacher $110,000 in damages for what he said > about her on the internet. Calling me an "a-grade twit" on a public > list exposes you to the risk of legal action. > It's interesting that Steven Zhang, as an administrator of the > mailing list, chose to let this attack pass without mention, while at > the same time accusing me of having "engaged in repeated personal > attacks on a number of individuals". No evidence of personal attacks > by me has been provided. I am careful not to insult or belittle anyone > in public. Accusing the committee of neglect or wrongdoing in their > official capacity is quite a different matter—if we try to censor > criticism of legal propriety and governance, we're better off in > Putin's Russia, and we certainly don't deserve to use the WMF > trademark. > So where exactly are the are the "personal attacks" I've made on this > mailing list, aside from raising uncomfortable questions about > governance and transparency? > I, too, would like to know who the WMF staff member was. Did Zhang > explain the actual situation to them properly? Was I maligned in > communications with them? For the Foundation to support what amounts > to the maladministration of one of its mailing lists needs to be > investigated. > Transparency is required in the way the WMAU committee does business. > I raised several issues concerning governance and transparency in the > post that seems to have prompted Steven Zhang to ban my email address > from the list. Rather than responding to the issues I raised, there > was a blunt refusal to do discuss them. This should be of concern to > all members of the WMF movement. There is an implicit expectation that > the ways in which $80,000 in donors' money is spent should be open and > accountable. What recent spending decisions have been made? Are all > members of the committee consulted about financial decision-making? > Was Andrew Owen legally a member of the chapter when he stood for > election last November? Did he pay his renewal fee "in advance on or > before 1 July" as required by chapter by-law 4(12)? If not, was his > cessation of membership recorded on the members' register by 14 July, > as required by section 56(3) of the Associations Incorporation Reform > Act 2012? Did the committee "approve" his application for membership > that was made just before the November election in which he stood for > the position of secretary? (Formal approval is required under chapter > by-laws 4(5) and 4(6).) If not, I believe that neither his membership > nor his position on the committee is legal. > Tony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wikimedia Australia Chapter" > To:"Wikimedia Australia Chapter" > Cc: > Sent:Sun, 16 Mar 2014 17:23:18 +0800 > Subject:Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this > list > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists [4] > > "Please respect Wikiquette [5] and avoid personal attacks [6] on the > mailing lists, especially in the subject header as this is likely to > be repeated by those replying." > > It's in black and white. > > kindest regards > Andrew > > On 16 March 2014 17:18, K. Peachey wrote: > On 16 March 2014 17:50, Steven Zhang wrote: > > 2. … but actively disrupting the list is against both the rules > and spirit of the list, and always has been. … > [Citation Needed], I see no > rules http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Mailing_list [9] > or https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l [10]. > > And what and which foundation staff members where involved in this? > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > [email protected] [11] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l [12] > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > [email protected] [13] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l [14] > > > > Links: > ------ > [1] mailto:[email protected] > [2] mailto:[email protected] > [3] mailto:[email protected] > [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists > [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette > [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks > [7] mailto:[email protected] > [8] mailto:[email protected] > [9] http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Mailing_list > [10] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l > [11] mailto:[email protected] > [12] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l > [13] mailto:[email protected] > [14] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaau-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- Brian Salter-Duke [email protected] Active on English Wikipedia, Meta-Wiki, Wikiversity, and others. 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