Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-14 Thread Aditya Sengupta
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:10, Subhashish Panigrahi psubhash...@gmail.comwrote: This is indeed a great success, First India chapter registration, then first office outside US in Delhi, 1st India WikiConference and then this. Hopng for the best success. Just curious- How do the activities

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Nitika
On 13-Nov-2011, at 4:07 PM, Bishakha Datta wrote: I'm hoping we'll hear more about the successes of the project, and eventually come to a balanced understanding of what worked and what didn't. At this stage, we're hearing much more about what didn't work, so it's hard to assess the

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-14 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 15:55, Aditya Sengupta apsengu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:10, Subhashish Panigrahi psubhash...@gmail.com wrote: This is indeed a great success, First India chapter registration, then first office outside US in Delhi, 1st India WikiConference and

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-14 Thread Gautam John
On 14 November 2011 15:55, Aditya Sengupta apsengu...@gmail.com wrote: Just curious- How do the activities and operations of the trust, the office and the chapter relate to each other and are different from each other? http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Press_kit Thank you. Best, Gautam

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 09:13, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: *On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote:* *I would also request people not to fork any more new threads on this with same thoughts, * CAMPUS AMBASSADOR SETBACK - The Local

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Theo10011
Hi Nitika All the consideration aside for the Brilliant army. I clicked on a couple of articles on your list, and then found an interesting pattern. Did you check any of these yourself? In case you didn't, I updated the list for you. Most of the articles that don't have a comment in the list

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Ashwin Baindur
I respect Srikanth's thinking but agree to disagree. In times of crisis, when things are pulling every which way, formal planning methodologies can get you going. I actually sat on a hillside at 13,500 feet in Kargil in 1999 with paper and pencil to make sense of construction schedules when the

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 20:15, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Nitika ntan...@wikimedia.org wrote: I would also like to share with you all some of the good articles that students have written. Nitika, please use right terms from next time, Good articles

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Gautam John
For reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Theo10011
With all due respect Bishakha, I beg to differ. On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: As for the highs and lows, ups and downs, failures and successes, allow us to decide on the

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Bishakha Datta
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: As for starting Wiki editing you might want to start yourself. I suggest your userpage on Meta, which if I recall I told you to create a month ago. Ooooh! Can we please cut out these sort of unconstructive, personal

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: As for starting Wiki editing you might want to start yourself. I suggest your userpage on Meta, which if I recall I told you to create a month

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Ram Shankar Yadav
+1 Srikanth! Hey Folks! I'm Ram and I'm one of the CA's worked closely with CoEP and SSE. I would like to share my views on this most discussed topic, coz the term FAIL is quite thought provoking, and now everyone has an opinion and I respect that. As a Campus Ambassador(CA) we faced the heat

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Bala Jeyaraman
*we never got the support which was required from an OA. Honestly speaking there was no interaction between OAs and CAs and without that coordination chances of success are quite low. * *My only point here is to all the OAs in this discussion is that if Hisham/Nitika has not set the expectations

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Wasim Mogal
Hey Guys, I am Wasim, Campus Ambassador at the India Education Program. I have been reading the mails from the wiki lovers about the so called DEATH and POST MORTEM of the India Education Program. It feels terrible to hear such words but on the other hand we are going to accept this and learn

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Arnav Sonara
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.comwrote: *we never got the support which was required from an OA. Honestly speaking there was no interaction between OAs and CAs and without that coordination chances of success are quite low. * *My only point here is to all

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 23:27, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.com wrote: *we never got the support which was required from an OA. Honestly speaking there was no interaction between OAs and CAs and without that coordination chances of success are quite low. * *My only point here is to all

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Abhishek Suryawanshi
Regarding so called death and post-marten I wont be right person to talk about CoEP or SSE, I am assigned to SNDT Women's University,So I will stick to the work and responsibilities assigned to me... it is challenging to engage female editors as we have less women editors. (IEP is still running

[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Mobile Photo Uploads: Android uploader and more

2011-11-14 Thread Erik Moeller
Thought some of you might be interested in these developments :-) We'll be doing lots of additional mobile hacking at the India Hackathon this week: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/India_Hackathon_2011 -- Forwarded message -- From: Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org Date: Mon, Nov

[Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 7, Issue 46 -- 14 November 2011

2011-11-14 Thread Bishakha Datta
has two articles on India: -- Forwarded message -- From: Wikipedia Signpost wikipediasignp...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:18 AM Subject: [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 7, Issue 46 -- 14 November 2011 To: wikimediaannounce-l

[Wikimediaindia-l] Let's *Talk*

2011-11-14 Thread Hisham
Hi Folks I'm deliberately opening a new mail chain on this. This is at the risk of me being told off for doing so - but I believe that email protocol is one thing - but communication philosophy is (arguably) even more critical. I (and personally upsetting to me, others at India Programs -

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Let's *Talk*

2011-11-14 Thread Gautam John
+1 Thank you. Best, Gautam (handheld) On Nov 15, 2011 9:53 AM, Hisham hmun...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Folks I'm deliberately opening a new mail chain on this. This is at the risk of me being told off for doing so - but I believe that email protocol is one thing - but communication

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Let's *Talk*

2011-11-14 Thread Srikeit
I guess I'm one of the apprehensive/apathetic quiet ones Hisham's mail refers to, so here goes: +1 I have maintained my silence so far in the numerous discussions as I intended to express my views cohesively at the opportunity given to me at the WikiConference. However, I feel obliged to speak

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Ram Shankar Yadav
Hi Bala, *Oh yeah. Do everything wrong and then blame the OA. Hisham, Nitika and apparently you are clueless what an OAs role is. I had no clue the OA role involved going through every edit and do the student's work. IEPs mails did not specify that the expectation about OA role was doing the

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Let's *Talk*

2011-11-14 Thread Ram Shankar Yadav
+1 for Hisham and Srikeit. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Srikeit srik...@gmail.com wrote: I guess I'm one of the apprehensive/apathetic quiet ones Hisham's mail refers to, so here goes: +1 I have maintained my silence so far in the numerous discussions as I intended to express my

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Bala Jeyaraman
-* If Hisham and Nitika were clueless why didn't to step-up and asked them about the expectations. One more thing when you are starting something new don't expect people will start reaching you from the Day1, we need to build a relationship and get their faith that we are here to help you, and

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Bala Jeyaraman
sorry to disagree Ashwin, This has to be dragged out. These guys are just not getting it. They just dont have the knowledge nor they willingnes to listen to criticism. They are just deflecting criticism by calling [[WP:CIVIL]] and crying personal attack. I am not going to spend time posting in

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.com wrote: This sums up the problem of the IEP -  designed by people clueless about how en wiki works and run by campus ambassadors who view wikipedia as a giant sandbox to play with students. Speaking of playing in sandboxes,

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Let's *Talk*

2011-11-14 Thread Erik Moeller
Well said, Hisham, Srikeit at al. Nobody's asking for rah-rah excitement. Being dispassionate and critical is the goal. Being hostile and dickish is unhelpful -- there's no possible useful end that could serve. So: If you're adding more heat than light to a conversation, please don't join the

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-14 Thread Ram Shankar Yadav
*This is exactly the kind of cluelessness i am referring to. The [[WP:COMPETENCE]] exists exactly for this purpose - we dont want kids, who will mess up by drawing mangoes and bananas here. We want atleast semi competent, interested people who can act responsibly.* * * *- *First of all stop