Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-20 Thread Ravishankar

 This is a really useful discussion and there's a powerful idea.  I agree
 with Ravi that there is an opportunity to build awareness and traffic to
 Indic language sites.  While we are already seeing considerable readership
 of Indic languages, there's clearly a lot more that can be done to support
 this and also to help build Indic language communities.  I also hear Theo's
 point that it didn't work last time, or maybe wasn't adequately measured.

 I'd like to suggest that - even as the technical challenges are resolved -
 to explore this.  The first step would be finalise what the objectives are
 (e.g., is it basic awareness building of the existence of Indic language
 projects or to is it to drive readership of these projects or is it
 encourage more active participation in these proejcts?)  The next stage
 would be to test different banner/notice/page design options and figure out
 the most appropriate solution (in the same systematic way that the WMF
 fundraising team tests banners and optimises the ones that work best.)  If
 you see value and you think we need resources for this, I'm happy to see
 what we can do about it.  (Maybe see if any of the fundraising team's
 people are free after the fundraiser to help with the analytics for
 determining what might work best?)

 What say?

 hisham


+1.

Instead of saying it won't work, we have to think how to make it work as
the ultimate goal of increasing awareness about Indic projects should not
be neglected !

Ravi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-20 Thread Anirudh Bhati
Most of the visitors on Wikipedia end up there through search engines.  But
there is another group which attempts to access Wikipedia directly by
typing in www.wikipedia.com or www.wikipedia.org in the address bar of
their browsers.

Currently, the landing page for www.wikipedia.org (wikipedia.com redirects
to wikipedia.org) lists the ten largest Wikipedia projects.  Apart from the
English Wikipedia, the rest of the projects are practically useless for
most of us in this country.  Replacing the foreign language projects (for
Indian IPs) with Indic language projects will help drive more traffic.

Yours sincerely,

Anirudh Bhati

+855 975 529 803
Skype: anirudhsbh


On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree with Ravi.

 On 12/20/11, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  This is a really useful discussion and there's a powerful idea.  I agree
  with Ravi that there is an opportunity to build awareness and traffic to
  Indic language sites.  While we are already seeing considerable
 readership
  of Indic languages, there's clearly a lot more that can be done to
 support
  this and also to help build Indic language communities.  I also hear
  Theo's
  point that it didn't work last time, or maybe wasn't adequately
 measured.
 
  I'd like to suggest that - even as the technical challenges are
 resolved -
  to explore this.  The first step would be finalise what the objectives
 are
  (e.g., is it basic awareness building of the existence of Indic language
  projects or to is it to drive readership of these projects or is it
  encourage more active participation in these proejcts?)  The next stage
  would be to test different banner/notice/page design options and figure
  out
  the most appropriate solution (in the same systematic way that the WMF
  fundraising team tests banners and optimises the ones that work best.)
  If
  you see value and you think we need resources for this, I'm happy to see
  what we can do about it.  (Maybe see if any of the fundraising team's
  people are free after the fundraiser to help with the analytics for
  determining what might work best?)
 
  What say?
 
  hisham
 
 
  +1.
 
  Instead of saying it won't work, we have to think how to make it work as
  the ultimate goal of increasing awareness about Indic projects should not
  be neglected !
 
  Ravi
 


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-20 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
hi,

Perhaps somebody here has already brought this up, but you can now switch
languages on Commons using a drop down menu. You can spot the drop down
just below the Village Pump link. There is also a helpful site notice, that
suggested I read Commons in British English :).

It seems to do this change by detecting the change in the script in the url
- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page. Neat.

warm regards,
Pradeep

On 20 December 2011 22:01, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Most of the visitors on Wikipedia end up there through search engines.
  But there is another group which attempts to access Wikipedia directly by
 typing in www.wikipedia.com or www.wikipedia.org in the address bar of
 their browsers.

 Currently, the landing page for www.wikipedia.org (wikipedia.comredirects to
 wikipedia.org) lists the ten largest Wikipedia projects.  Apart from the
 English Wikipedia, the rest of the projects are practically useless for
 most of us in this country.  Replacing the foreign language projects (for
 Indian IPs) with Indic language projects will help drive more traffic.

 Yours sincerely,

 Anirudh Bhati

 +855 975 529 803
 Skype: anirudhsbh



 On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree with Ravi.

 On 12/20/11, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  This is a really useful discussion and there's a powerful idea.  I
 agree
  with Ravi that there is an opportunity to build awareness and traffic
 to
  Indic language sites.  While we are already seeing considerable
 readership
  of Indic languages, there's clearly a lot more that can be done to
 support
  this and also to help build Indic language communities.  I also hear
  Theo's
  point that it didn't work last time, or maybe wasn't adequately
 measured.
 
  I'd like to suggest that - even as the technical challenges are
 resolved -
  to explore this.  The first step would be finalise what the objectives
 are
  (e.g., is it basic awareness building of the existence of Indic
 language
  projects or to is it to drive readership of these projects or is it
  encourage more active participation in these proejcts?)  The next stage
  would be to test different banner/notice/page design options and figure
  out
  the most appropriate solution (in the same systematic way that the WMF
  fundraising team tests banners and optimises the ones that work best.)
  If
  you see value and you think we need resources for this, I'm happy to
 see
  what we can do about it.  (Maybe see if any of the fundraising team's
  people are free after the fundraiser to help with the analytics for
  determining what might work best?)
 
  What say?
 
  hisham
 
 
  +1.
 
  Instead of saying it won't work, we have to think how to make it work as
  the ultimate goal of increasing awareness about Indic projects should
 not
  be neglected !
 
  Ravi
 


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 Regards,
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-20 Thread Shiju Alex

 Currently, the landing page for www.wikipedia.org (wikipedia.comredirects to
 wikipedia.org) lists the ten largest Wikipedia projects.  Apart from the
 English Wikipedia, the rest of the projects are practically useless for
 most of us in this country.  Replacing the foreign language projects (for
 Indian IPs) with Indic language projects will help drive more traffic.



I think this is a very good suggestion. I remember  seeing many of friends
using wikipedia.org to reach English wikipedia. Replacing the current
non-english wikipedias with Indic wikipedias (for Indian IPs) can also be
one of the solution. It will definitely catch the attention of a few
percentage of Indian readers.

Shiju





On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.comwrote:

 Most of the visitors on Wikipedia end up there through search engines.
  But there is another group which attempts to access Wikipedia directly by
 typing in www.wikipedia.com or www.wikipedia.org in the address bar of
 their browsers.

 Currently, the landing page for www.wikipedia.org (wikipedia.comredirects to
 wikipedia.org) lists the ten largest Wikipedia projects.  Apart from the
 English Wikipedia, the rest of the projects are practically useless for
 most of us in this country.  Replacing the foreign language projects (for
 Indian IPs) with Indic language projects will help drive more traffic.

 Yours sincerely,

 Anirudh Bhati

 +855 975 529 803
 Skype: anirudhsbh



 On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree with Ravi.

 On 12/20/11, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  This is a really useful discussion and there's a powerful idea.  I
 agree
  with Ravi that there is an opportunity to build awareness and traffic
 to
  Indic language sites.  While we are already seeing considerable
 readership
  of Indic languages, there's clearly a lot more that can be done to
 support
  this and also to help build Indic language communities.  I also hear
  Theo's
  point that it didn't work last time, or maybe wasn't adequately
 measured.
 
  I'd like to suggest that - even as the technical challenges are
 resolved -
  to explore this.  The first step would be finalise what the objectives
 are
  (e.g., is it basic awareness building of the existence of Indic
 language
  projects or to is it to drive readership of these projects or is it
  encourage more active participation in these proejcts?)  The next stage
  would be to test different banner/notice/page design options and figure
  out
  the most appropriate solution (in the same systematic way that the WMF
  fundraising team tests banners and optimises the ones that work best.)
  If
  you see value and you think we need resources for this, I'm happy to
 see
  what we can do about it.  (Maybe see if any of the fundraising team's
  people are free after the fundraiser to help with the analytics for
  determining what might work best?)
 
  What say?
 
  hisham
 
 
  +1.
 
  Instead of saying it won't work, we have to think how to make it work as
  the ultimate goal of increasing awareness about Indic projects should
 not
  be neglected !
 
  Ravi
 


 --
 Regards,
 Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-20 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Rather than replacing, I suggest reorganising the order. Indic ones on
top and others below. Who knows, an Indian may try and access European
or African languages too.

On 12/20/11, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Currently, the landing page for www.wikipedia.org (wikipedia.comredirects
 to
 wikipedia.org) lists the ten largest Wikipedia projects.  Apart from the
 English Wikipedia, the rest of the projects are practically useless for
 most of us in this country.  Replacing the foreign language projects (for
 Indian IPs) with Indic language projects will help drive more traffic.



 I think this is a very good suggestion. I remember  seeing many of friends
 using wikipedia.org to reach English wikipedia. Replacing the current
 non-english wikipedias with Indic wikipedias (for Indian IPs) can also be
 one of the solution. It will definitely catch the attention of a few
 percentage of Indian readers.

 Shiju





 On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.comwrote:

 Most of the visitors on Wikipedia end up there through search engines.
  But there is another group which attempts to access Wikipedia directly by
 typing in www.wikipedia.com or www.wikipedia.org in the address bar of
 their browsers.

 Currently, the landing page for www.wikipedia.org (wikipedia.comredirects
 to
 wikipedia.org) lists the ten largest Wikipedia projects.  Apart from the
 English Wikipedia, the rest of the projects are practically useless for
 most of us in this country.  Replacing the foreign language projects (for
 Indian IPs) with Indic language projects will help drive more traffic.

 Yours sincerely,

 Anirudh Bhati

 +855 975 529 803
 Skype: anirudhsbh



 On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree with Ravi.

 On 12/20/11, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  This is a really useful discussion and there's a powerful idea.  I
 agree
  with Ravi that there is an opportunity to build awareness and traffic
 to
  Indic language sites.  While we are already seeing considerable
 readership
  of Indic languages, there's clearly a lot more that can be done to
 support
  this and also to help build Indic language communities.  I also hear
  Theo's
  point that it didn't work last time, or maybe wasn't adequately
 measured.
 
  I'd like to suggest that - even as the technical challenges are
 resolved -
  to explore this.  The first step would be finalise what the objectives
 are
  (e.g., is it basic awareness building of the existence of Indic
 language
  projects or to is it to drive readership of these projects or is it
  encourage more active participation in these proejcts?)  The next
  stage
  would be to test different banner/notice/page design options and
  figure
  out
  the most appropriate solution (in the same systematic way that the WMF
  fundraising team tests banners and optimises the ones that work best.)
  If
  you see value and you think we need resources for this, I'm happy to
 see
  what we can do about it.  (Maybe see if any of the fundraising team's
  people are free after the fundraiser to help with the analytics for
  determining what might work best?)
 
  What say?
 
  hisham
 
 
  +1.
 
  Instead of saying it won't work, we have to think how to make it work
  as
  the ultimate goal of increasing awareness about Indic projects should
 not
  be neglected !
 
  Ravi
 


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-19 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 17:24, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Today, I went to download WordPress and it told me it is also available in
 Tamil. Very neatly done as it somehow detected that I am from Tamilnadu.


Geolocation within India is impossible. My guess is it used your browser's
accepted language and did it. Extension:Translate already has a similar
code like that.


 See the screenshot at: http://ravidreams.com/ta-wordpress.png

 A similar announcement in English Wiki projects is sure to double or
 triple traffic to Indic Wiki projects.

 We have been requesting this feature for years.  Curious when it will be
 implemented.


It was briefly(week or two) done in 2011 Jan (infact some nice graphic
banners) post fundraising along with Thank you banners. We have 10 months
(non-fundraiser ones) and we can display this banner all along, but
question would it help and is it non-controversial?, who are the ones who
could decide on such a high impact sitenotice based on geolocation, this
list?, meta admins?, English wikipedians of India? Though there is nothing
wrong with intent, keeping banners for long needs some consensus.

-- 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-19 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
A good idea no doubt, but I think the detecting which state the user
comes from part is a small road block. While Google Mail has been
showing which state the IP is from in the logins section, I think the
browser or system language should also be taken into consideration,
though it may seem obvious at first that a person who is using his or
her computer in their own language would know Wikipedia exists in that
language.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-19 Thread CherianTinu Abraham
On a slightly related note
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector

-TC

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Today, I went to download WordPress and it told me it is also available in
 Tamil. Very neatly done as it somehow detected that I am from Tamilnadu.

 See the screenshot at: http://ravidreams.com/ta-wordpress.png

 A similar announcement in English Wiki projects is sure to double or
 triple traffic to Indic Wiki projects.

 We have been requesting this feature for years.

 Curious when it will be implemented.

 Ravi

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-19 Thread Ravishankar
Subha,

If you check WordPress.com it shows all available Indic languages.

If you check WordPress.org, I think it is showing only Tamil (may be
because as you said it is the only translation available and that too for
Srilankan Tamil : )

But the point is: Even if you show all available Indic languages without
resolving to the level of state and language, it is still good.

//non-controversial?, who are the ones who could decide on such a high
impact sitenotice based on geolocation, this list?, meta admins?, English
wikipedians of India? Though there is nothing wrong with intent, keeping
banners for long needs some consensus.//

Sites like http://www.google.co.in/ highlight the available languages and
it makes perfect sense for usability. If keeping a site notice for ever in
all pages is a problem, do it only for the pages where there is an Indian
language version is available and show only the links for the languages
where a corresponding page exists.

Ravi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-19 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
A small extension of my previous post.
Logic, geolocation within India is very much possible. Atleast I know
Google can do it. The only hitch is that it doesn't work well with
Wireless connections.
For instance, I frequently use a Reliance Wireless modem, which is
registered in K'taka but even in Bangalore, Coimbatore, Pune, Hubli it
says it's a TN based IP. Ditto for Tata Docomo.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-19 Thread Ravishankar
A single line like Wikipedia is also available in Bengali, Hind,
Malayalam, Telugu, Tamil  at the top and to the left of Login/create
account link will be fine. The line can be as what you see in
http://www.google.co.in/ . If we feel showing too many languages is
clutter, show random and limited number of links for Indic languages.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-19 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Ravi, I agree. The rotation system, if implemented works best. However
do note, this is best suited for the desktop version only, not
Mobiles. I'd like to point out that - People who use Opera Mini on
their mobiles, get routed thru a European server while all BlackBerry
users get routed thru a server in London, Hungary or Canada.

On 12/19/11, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote:
 A single line like Wikipedia is also available in Bengali, Hind,
 Malayalam, Telugu, Tamil  at the top and to the left of Login/create
 account link will be fine. The line can be as what you see in
 http://www.google.co.in/ . If we feel showing too many languages is
 clutter, show random and limited number of links for Indic languages.



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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-19 Thread Surya Prakash
I think Sundar has suggested something like this before in this list. :)


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On 19 December 2011 18:04, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
parakara.gh...@gmail.comwrote:

 Ravi, I agree. The rotation system, if implemented works best. However
 do note, this is best suited for the desktop version only, not
 Mobiles. I'd like to point out that - People who use Opera Mini on
 their mobiles, get routed thru a European server while all BlackBerry
 users get routed thru a server in London, Hungary or Canada.

 On 12/19/11, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote:
  A single line like Wikipedia is also available in Bengali, Hind,
  Malayalam, Telugu, Tamil  at the top and to the left of Login/create
  account link will be fine. The line can be as what you see in
  http://www.google.co.in/ . If we feel showing too many languages is
  clutter, show random and limited number of links for Indic languages.
 


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-19 Thread Ravishankar
Srikanth,

Even if only x% (or say people who wear white shirt on Monday evenings) are
going to see this notice, it is still useful and not going to hurt the
project in anyway.

Unless the community stands united and requests this feature, it will not
happen any sooner.

So, let us not loose steam on discussing the technical hurdles up front.

ravi



On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ravi, I agree. The rotation system, if implemented works best. However
 do note, this is best suited for the desktop version only, not
 Mobiles. I'd like to point out that - People who use Opera Mini on
 their mobiles, get routed thru a European server while all BlackBerry
 users get routed thru a server in London, Hungary or Canada.


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-19 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 18:12, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Srikanth,


{{Disambiguation needed}},Not just here, in many threads going forward,
especially atleast 2 Srikanth's are active on the list :D


 So, let us not loose steam on discussing the technical hurdles up front.


I guess Universal Language Selector is surely on the cards and will solve
the problem in totality, no harm in having one liner you mentioned till
then.

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Srikanth.L
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-19 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Today, I went to download WordPress and it told me it is also available in
 Tamil. Very neatly done as it somehow detected that I am from Tamilnadu.

 See the screenshot at: http://ravidreams.com/ta-wordpress.png

 A similar announcement in English Wiki projects is sure to double or
 triple traffic to Indic Wiki projects.

 We have been requesting this feature for years.

 Curious when it will be implemented.

 Ravi

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I tried that. twice.

Back in 2010, we had banners pointing to Indic wikis, with messages like,
there is a wiki in your language you can edit. Then it lead to landing
pages with lists of indic language wikis.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010/IN/Welcome

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_language_projects

This banner ran for close to 2 months in late 2010 and early 2011. I think
WMF staff might have tried it again during the year.

Conclusion, it did not make a dent. Most people dismissed the banners, and
never clicked, those that did, never followed to edit. It made little to no
difference in the visitor or editor stats for the period.

Regards
Theo
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-19 Thread Theo10011
Also, we already have that in the left side of every page, the sidebar on
every article lists the version of that article available in different
languages.

Regards
Theo

On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Today, I went to download WordPress and it told me it is also available
 in Tamil. Very neatly done as it somehow detected that I am from Tamilnadu.

 See the screenshot at: http://ravidreams.com/ta-wordpress.png

 A similar announcement in English Wiki projects is sure to double or
 triple traffic to Indic Wiki projects.

 We have been requesting this feature for years.

 Curious when it will be implemented.

 Ravi

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 I tried that. twice.

 Back in 2010, we had banners pointing to Indic wikis, with messages like,
 there is a wiki in your language you can edit. Then it lead to landing
 pages with lists of indic language wikis.

 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010/IN/Welcome

 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_language_projects

 This banner ran for close to 2 months in late 2010 and early 2011. I think
 WMF staff might have tried it again during the year.

 Conclusion, it did not make a dent. Most people dismissed the banners, and
 never clicked, those that did, never followed to edit. It made little to no
 difference in the visitor or editor stats for the period.

 Regards
 Theo


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-19 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Theo, last time I checked, Indic languages are no longer listed in the
side of the English Main Page. A limited number of languages is there
with a link to More Languages.

On 12/19/11, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
 Also, we already have that in the left side of every page, the sidebar on
 every article lists the version of that article available in different
 languages.

 Regards
 Theo

 On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Today, I went to download WordPress and it told me it is also available
 in Tamil. Very neatly done as it somehow detected that I am from
 Tamilnadu.

 See the screenshot at: http://ravidreams.com/ta-wordpress.png

 A similar announcement in English Wiki projects is sure to double or
 triple traffic to Indic Wiki projects.

 We have been requesting this feature for years.

 Curious when it will be implemented.

 Ravi

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 I tried that. twice.

 Back in 2010, we had banners pointing to Indic wikis, with messages like,
 there is a wiki in your language you can edit. Then it lead to landing
 pages with lists of indic language wikis.

 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010/IN/Welcome

 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_language_projects

 This banner ran for close to 2 months in late 2010 and early 2011. I think
 WMF staff might have tried it again during the year.

 Conclusion, it did not make a dent. Most people dismissed the banners, and
 never clicked, those that did, never followed to edit. It made little to
 no
 difference in the visitor or editor stats for the period.

 Regards
 Theo





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Regards,
Srikanth Ramakrishnan.
Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-19 Thread Ravishankar

 Conclusion, it did not make a dent. Most people dismissed the banners, and
 never clicked, those that did, never followed to edit. It made little to no
 difference in the visitor or editor stats for the period.


Theo,

Clearly, links in sidebars are not getting enough eyeballs. It is also hard
to look for one's own language when there are too many interwiki links.
Unless you are intentionally looking for it, it is hard to notice.

What I am suggesting is a country specific clear navigational aid which is
a best practice that all major websites follow (WordPress, Google, Facebook
all show Indic language version links if I access from India.

It will be interesting to analyze why the banners did not work. If we are
inviting people to contribute, only people who would like to contribute may
check. The behavior may be different when we try different messages. Also,
I am not looking to convert people to editors. Merely getting more readers
and increasing awareness about the existence of local language versions is
a great win.

Ravi
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-19 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Theo,

 Clearly, links in sidebars are not getting enough eyeballs. It is also
 hard to look for one's own language when there are too many interwiki
 links. Unless you are intentionally looking for it, it is hard to notice.


The placement of the inter-wiki language links was more of a usability
decision. WMF undertook the usability initiative a couple of years ago, and
decided to place it there in the current skins.



 What I am suggesting is a country specific clear navigational aid which is
 a best practice that all major websites follow (WordPress, Google, Facebook
 all show Indic language version links if I access from India.


And I'm saying, that is similar to what we tried. We had a banner informing
only Indian editors, both logged-in and anon, that there is a version of
Wikipedia in their own language.



 It will be interesting to analyze why the banners did not work. If we are
 inviting people to contribute, only people who would like to contribute may
 check. The behavior may be different when we try different messages. Also,
 I am not looking to convert people to editors. Merely getting more readers
 and increasing awareness about the existence of local language versions is
 a great win.


At the time, my intention wasn't as much as getting editors but raising
awareness of the Indic Wikis. We didn't have analytics on during the last
tests, but I suppose click-through rates and other information could be
utilized for an analysis.

My point was, we tried it for months, it did not make any measurable
impact. The approach was very similar to what you are proposing, I believe
someone even suggested that exact proposal during that time. I asked around
and maybe there was some technical solution to making an en.wp sitenotice
geolocated to india that would pull the same info as the language side-bar
but place it on top. It doesn't seem technically hard to pull off.

Anyway, I suppose I can throw something together for a banner or test but I
am not inclined towards trying it now, we just concluded the
Wikiconference, and banners for India ran non-stop for over 3 months, which
lead into the fundraiser banners lasting the last couple of months followed
by the research study and editor trends. It is time to give central notices
for India some rest, it needs some gap unless we start loosing visibility
for banners in India, all together.

Regards
Theo
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] ONE simple step to double or triple visits to Indic Wikipedias

2011-12-19 Thread Hisham

On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:16 PM, Theo10011 wrote:

 On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote:

This is a really useful discussion and there's a powerful idea.  I agree with 
Ravi that there is an opportunity to build awareness and traffic to Indic 
language sites.  While we are already seeing considerable readership of Indic 
languages, there's clearly a lot more that can be done to support this and also 
to help build Indic language communities.  I also hear Theo's point that it 
didn't work last time, or maybe wasn't adequately measured.  

I'd like to suggest that - even as the technical challenges are resolved - to 
explore this.  The first step would be finalise what the objectives are (e.g., 
is it basic awareness building of the existence of Indic language projects or 
to is it to drive readership of these projects or is it encourage more active 
participation in these proejcts?)  The next stage would be to test different 
banner/notice/page design options and figure out the most appropriate solution 
(in the same systematic way that the WMF fundraising team tests banners and 
optimises the ones that work best.)  If you see value and you think we need 
resources for this, I'm happy to see what we can do about it.  (Maybe see if 
any of the fundraising team's people are free after the fundraiser to help with 
the analytics for determining what might work best?)  

What say?

hisham

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