Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee
Tobacco wouldn't be possible due to uk advertising laws anyway. We would need to seek advice from the foundation on things which could be considered touchy in terms of pr. -Original Message- From: Virgin Steve Sent: 16 February 2009 22:46 To: josephsed...@googlemail.com Subject: RE: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee Where would you guys take money from? I ask as a lot of the 'sin stocks' have cash and I could approach but it might not be the kind of thing that fits with the 'teams' Eg: GM company and tobacco company (that kind of thing) -Original Message- From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of joseph seddon Sent: 16 February 2009 20:01 To: wikimediau...@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee We are allowed to contract multinational companies. There is a possibility of sponsorship from american company anyway. I don't think that its wrong cause at the end of the day, we can pass on sponsors in the event we don't win. Iv been doing exactly what your suggesting. seddon -Original Message- From: Thomas Dalton Sent: 16 February 2009 19:27 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee 2009/2/16 joseph seddon : > That may be but previous bids have gotten by. We need to assume that there is no international sponsorship. We are running out of time fast. We have to go with worst case scenario. We have a month and a half left, we need to keep moving, but there's no need to rush. I guess out first step is to put together a list of costs, then we can work out minimum and desired values for each. So, here goes: * Venue hire * Catering * Parties venue hire/catering * Security (possibly comes with venue - I'm not really sure what we need in this regard, but I guess some kind of security would be good) * Travel/accommodation sponsorship * VIP expenses Have I missed anything? (I expect I have.) And a list of income sources: * Sponsors * Ticket sales I think that's it. I'm not sure we can just assume there won't be any international sponsorship, since we need to know whether we should be contacting multinationals or not. If the WMF aren't going to do that (which they really should), then we should be contacting the UK branches of all the multinationals listed at http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sponsors ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee
2009/2/16 Virgin, Steve : > > I will introduce you to amec when I stop being stuck in hotels. > > Association of media evaluation companies. > > I may even sound out a couple of clients I am very close to > > I cannot do it after one day in the wikkipedian fold. > > I am in london later this week anyone available? > > Maybe can bring russia on board. Hello, and welcome to the Wikimedia UK mailing list! Thanks for your offers of help - they are greatly appreciated. The next scheduled London meetup is 8th March (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/London_19 - I won't be there, but I'm certain you would be more than welcome), but there are several active and experienced Wikimedians in London that could probably meet up with you sooner than that. If they don't reply to this thread soon, I'll prod them for you. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee
I will introduce you to amec when I stop being stuck in hotels. Association of media evaluation companies. I may even sound out a couple of clients I am very close to I cannot do it after one day in the wikkipedian fold. I am in london later this week anyone available? Maybe can bring russia on board. -Original Message- From: wikimediauk-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Mon Feb 16 20:18:52 2009 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee 2009/2/16 joseph seddon : > We are allowed to contract multinational companies. There is a possibility of > sponsorship from american company anyway. I don't think that its wrong cause > at the end of the day, we can pass on sponsors in the event we don't win. Iv > been doing exactly what your suggesting. I know we're allowed, but it's a waste of everyone's time (including that of the people we contact - we should try and avoid wasting the time of potential sponsors!) if the WMF are going to do it (and it's far better if they do since they can arrange ongoing deals, we can only arrange it for one year). ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee
2009/2/16 joseph seddon : > We are allowed to contract multinational companies. There is a possibility of > sponsorship from american company anyway. I don't think that its wrong cause > at the end of the day, we can pass on sponsors in the event we don't win. Iv > been doing exactly what your suggesting. I know we're allowed, but it's a waste of everyone's time (including that of the people we contact - we should try and avoid wasting the time of potential sponsors!) if the WMF are going to do it (and it's far better if they do since they can arrange ongoing deals, we can only arrange it for one year). ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee
We are allowed to contract multinational companies. There is a possibility of sponsorship from american company anyway. I don't think that its wrong cause at the end of the day, we can pass on sponsors in the event we don't win. Iv been doing exactly what your suggesting. seddon -Original Message- From: Thomas Dalton Sent: 16 February 2009 19:27 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee 2009/2/16 joseph seddon : > That may be but previous bids have gotten by. We need to assume that there > is no international sponsorship. We are running out of time fast. We have to > go with worst case scenario. We have a month and a half left, we need to keep moving, but there's no need to rush. I guess out first step is to put together a list of costs, then we can work out minimum and desired values for each. So, here goes: * Venue hire * Catering * Parties venue hire/catering * Security (possibly comes with venue - I'm not really sure what we need in this regard, but I guess some kind of security would be good) * Travel/accommodation sponsorship * VIP expenses Have I missed anything? (I expect I have.) And a list of income sources: * Sponsors * Ticket sales I think that's it. I'm not sure we can just assume there won't be any international sponsorship, since we need to know whether we should be contacting multinationals or not. If the WMF aren't going to do that (which they really should), then we should be contacting the UK branches of all the multinationals listed at http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sponsors ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee
2009/2/16 joseph seddon : > That may be but previous bids have gotten by. We need to assume that there is > no international sponsorship. We are running out of time fast. We have to go > with worst case scenario. We have a month and a half left, we need to keep moving, but there's no need to rush. I guess out first step is to put together a list of costs, then we can work out minimum and desired values for each. So, here goes: * Venue hire * Catering * Parties venue hire/catering * Security (possibly comes with venue - I'm not really sure what we need in this regard, but I guess some kind of security would be good) * Travel/accommodation sponsorship * VIP expenses Have I missed anything? (I expect I have.) And a list of income sources: * Sponsors * Ticket sales I think that's it. I'm not sure we can just assume there won't be any international sponsorship, since we need to know whether we should be contacting multinationals or not. If the WMF aren't going to do that (which they really should), then we should be contacting the UK branches of all the multinationals listed at http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sponsors ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee
That may be but previous bids have gotten by. We need to assume that there is no international sponsorship. We are running out of time fast. We have to go with worst case scenario. Seddon -Original Message- From: Thomas Dalton Sent: 16 February 2009 19:11 To: life_is_bitter_sw...@hotmail.co.uk Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee 2009/2/16 joseph seddon : > There seems to be no actual budgets available for previous years. I think > the practice is get sponsorship to meet you budget rather than the other way > around. Common sense suggests a combination of the two is required. You can't come up with a realistic budget without knowing what level of sponsorship is realistic and you can't get sponsorship without a budget, so you need to work on both together. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee
2009/2/16 joseph seddon : > Iv been pestering cary bass for the last 3 months as well as having emailed > the wikimania mailing list and either couldn't give me any more info or had > no response respectively. I think it is in our best interests to assume for > the time being that they are the same as last years. There is a lot that is > going to be needed to be done no matter what. Do we have budgets for previous years? I've seen proposed budgets in the bids, but there is no reason to expect they had any more information when writing those than we do now. And it won't be the same as previous years if the WMF does arrange some of the sponsorship. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee
Iv been pestering cary bass for the last 3 months as well as having emailed the wikimania mailing list and either couldn't give me any more info or had no response respectively. I think it is in our best interests to assume for the time being that they are the same as last years. There is a lot that is going to be needed to be done no matter what. -Original Message- From: Thomas Dalton Sent: 16 February 2009 18:52 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee 2009/2/16 Martin Peeks : > I think the Event is likely, in part, to be awarded on the basis of the > initiative shown by the bid-team. Not so much waiting for leadership as > chasing up the information and getting as much done as possible. Chasing up sounds like a good idea - we should email someone at the WMF about budgetary issues. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee
2009/2/16 Martin Peeks : > I think the Event is likely, in part, to be awarded on the basis of the > initiative shown by the bid-team. Not so much waiting for leadership as > chasing up the information and getting as much done as possible. Chasing up sounds like a good idea - we should email someone at the WMF about budgetary issues. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee
Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2009/2/16 joseph seddon : >> With the bid page coming along nicely, I want to get work started on the >> budget. This is something that needs to be broken down between several >> people. Because of this I wish to form an informal body to work on this. >> Little or no experience is needed and all requirements will be provided and >> for the time being it can be mostly done through the internet. Can those >> interested please reply here or email me within the next few days? > > Until the WMF gives us some information there, there isn't much we can > do. There was talk of them organising global sponsorship and us just > handling local (which makes a lot of sense, I don't know why it hasn't > always been done that way). We need to know how much they intend to be > spent on looking after VIPs and whether we need to budget for that or > leave it for them. We need to know how many people they want to be > able to sponsor travel/accommodation for and whether we need to budget > for that. We need to know how fancy they want the VIP party (and the > unimportant people party) to be and whether we need to budget for > that. Etc. Etc. Etc. Once we have that information, I'd be happy help. I think the Event is likely, in part, to be awarded on the basis of the initiative shown by the bid-team. Not so much waiting for leadership as chasing up the information and getting as much done as possible. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee
I agree but there are others things which need to costed. So far only the venue has been costed. Ill make a note of your name. More volunteers please :-) Seddon -Original Message- From: Thomas Dalton Sent: 16 February 2009 18:33 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee 2009/2/16 joseph seddon : > With the bid page coming along nicely, I want to get work started on the > budget. This is something that needs to be broken down between several > people. Because of this I wish to form an informal body to work on this. > Little or no experience is needed and all requirements will be provided and > for the time being it can be mostly done through the internet. Can those > interested please reply here or email me within the next few days? Until the WMF gives us some information there, there isn't much we can do. There was talk of them organising global sponsorship and us just handling local (which makes a lot of sense, I don't know why it hasn't always been done that way). We need to know how much they intend to be spent on looking after VIPs and whether we need to budget for that or leave it for them. We need to know how many people they want to be able to sponsor travel/accommodation for and whether we need to budget for that. We need to know how fancy they want the VIP party (and the unimportant people party) to be and whether we need to budget for that. Etc. Etc. Etc. Once we have that information, I'd be happy help. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Budget committee
2009/2/16 joseph seddon : > With the bid page coming along nicely, I want to get work started on the > budget. This is something that needs to be broken down between several > people. Because of this I wish to form an informal body to work on this. > Little or no experience is needed and all requirements will be provided and > for the time being it can be mostly done through the internet. Can those > interested please reply here or email me within the next few days? Until the WMF gives us some information there, there isn't much we can do. There was talk of them organising global sponsorship and us just handling local (which makes a lot of sense, I don't know why it hasn't always been done that way). We need to know how much they intend to be spent on looking after VIPs and whether we need to budget for that or leave it for them. We need to know how many people they want to be able to sponsor travel/accommodation for and whether we need to budget for that. We need to know how fancy they want the VIP party (and the unimportant people party) to be and whether we need to budget for that. Etc. Etc. Etc. Once we have that information, I'd be happy help. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
