Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC 2012 proposal - Ajax functions for editing, blocking, deleting and checking recent changes

2012-04-04 Thread Marco
Looking over your application - I'd suggest flushing our more details on your proposed schedule and what exactly the advantages of your proposed project are. The mockup helps convey the what - but they how and why are a bit vague to me. I think connecting the functional benefits of Ajax

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC 2012 proposal - Ajax functions for editing, blocking, deleting and checking recent changes

2012-04-04 Thread Gregory Varnum
Excellent - you're welcome to share it here for folks to review. :) -greg On Apr 4, 2012, at 2:35 AM, Marco marcoigarap...@gmail.com wrote: Looking over your application - I'd suggest flushing our more details on your proposed schedule and what exactly the advantages of your proposed

Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoC] project proposal

2012-04-04 Thread Trinh Hoang Nguyen
Hi Gregory, Thank you for your comment. There are Flickr APIs available for Java, JavaScript, and other languages. I have used them to get images from Flickr. I have never been in touch with folks on toolserver or at Commons. -- Trinh -Original Message- From:

[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114689]: New comment added

2012-04-04 Thread MediaWiki Mail
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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114690]: Revision status changed

2012-04-04 Thread MediaWiki Mail
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[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114692]: New comment added, and revision status changed

2012-04-04 Thread MediaWiki Mail
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2012-04-04 Thread MediaWiki Mail
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Re: [Wikitech-l] [GSoC] project proposal

2012-04-04 Thread Bryan Tong Minh
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Trinh Hoang Nguyen trinhto...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there, Could you please have a look at my project proposal for Google Summer of Code https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Trinhtomsk/GSoC_2012_application It would be awesome to have a proper Flickr upload

[Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
I have seen there is a lot of wikis where people are concerned about inactive sysops. They managed to set up a strange rule where sysop rights are removed from inactive users to improve the security. However the sysops are allowed to request the flag to be restored anytime. This doesn't improve

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC-2012 proposal(Convention Extension)

2012-04-04 Thread akshay chugh
Hi varnent, Before setting up this proposal , I have had some discussions with (^demon and saper) about the scope and need for such an extension. Not only they suggested me some features that they would want to see as part of this extension but they pointed out some issues as well that I would

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
More: IP addresses which do N bad login attemps should be blocked from accessing login page for Z minutes (You have done too many bad login attempts, please wait 5 minutes before trying again) This would help to avoid bots who try to compromise account by trying random passwords The target user

Re: [Wikitech-l] Live testing of Ashburn search infrastructure

2012-04-04 Thread Bináris
2012/4/3 Peter Youngmeister p...@wikimedia.org at 15:00 UTC, tomorrow, 4/4/12. (Or 4/4/12, for those not using American date formatting.) I see, you mean 12/4/4. :-) Where is the description/help on new capabilities? I am very much interested. -- Bináris

Re: [Wikitech-l] Live testing of Ashburn search infrastructure

2012-04-04 Thread K. Peachey
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:49 AM, Peter Youngmeister p...@wikimedia.org wrote: at 15:00 UTC, tomorrow, 4/4/12. (Or 4/4/12, for those not using American date formatting.) [[ISO 8601]] can help in situations like this. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: I have seen there is a lot of wikis where people are concerned about inactive sysops. They managed to set up a strange rule where sysop rights are removed from inactive users to improve the security. However the sysops are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2012/4/4 Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com: I have seen there is a lot of wikis where people are concerned about inactive sysops. They managed to set up a strange rule where sysop rights are removed from inactive users to improve the security. However the sysops are allowed to request the flag to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread K. Peachey
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: I have seen there is a lot of wikis where people are concerned about inactive sysops. They managed to set up a strange rule where sysop rights are removed from inactive users to improve the security. However the sysops are

[Wikitech-l] Development process doesn't work (yes this is another complaint from another community member)

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
Hi all, I am very disappointed by current development process we have on wikimedia project. The wikimedia project itself is classified as open source at some point, but the current development process sort of beats the purpose of that. I started working on two extensions in October, more than 6

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:15 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: What happens if the ex-sysop has lost access to their original email address .. ? If the sysop lost their email, they are in same troubles as if any other user lost their email and forgot password. It simply shouldn't

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Grunny
On 4 April 2012 18:19, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: More: IP addresses which do N bad login attemps should be blocked from accessing login page for Z minutes (You have done too many bad login attempts, please wait 5

Re: [Wikitech-l] Development process doesn't work (yes this is another complaint from another community member)

2012-04-04 Thread Svip
On 4 April 2012 10:19, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: I am very disappointed by current development process we have on wikimedia project. The wikimedia project itself is classified as open source at some point, but the current development process sort of beats the purpose of that. I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:19 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: I have seen there is a lot of wikis where people are concerned about inactive sysops. They managed to set up a strange rule where sysop rights are removed

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Thomas Morton
Again, Just theatrical security, Most people tend to use the same passwords everywhere, if this was the case for said Sysop, Their email is also compromised. Also this would require wikis to have email sending setup, as well as the user to have confirmed theirs. That's the problem of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Development process doesn't work (yes this is another complaint from another community member)

2012-04-04 Thread K. Peachey
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: I started working on two extensions in October, more than 6 months ago. Both were approved by community on Village Pump and it was agreed to deploy them to english wikipedia. One of the extension had hundreds of lines and is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Development process doesn't work (yes this is another complaint from another community member)

2012-04-04 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2012/4/4 Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com: I understand it, that only employees of the foundation are actually permitted to write the code which is going to be deployed to wmf sites. If that is true, it should be noted somewhere, so that volunteers (the people who aren't employees / paid for that)

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
The accounts could be compromised just using a brute force attacks which would be running for a long time. Since user would never know their account is being cracked, they would likely never bother with making their password more strong, neither report it somewhere. If I was an inactive sysop and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Development process doesn't work (yes this is another complaint from another community member)

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: I started working on two extensions in October, more than 6 months ago. Both were approved by community on Village Pump and it was agreed to deploy them to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Development process doesn't work (yes this is another complaint from another community member)

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
Yes, in past it worked. I don't know what is broken now, but it apparently doesn't work anymore. On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2012/4/4 Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com: I understand it, that only employees of the foundation are actually

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:15 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: What happens if the ex-sysop has lost access to their original email address .. ? If the sysop lost their email, they are in same troubles as if any

Re: [Wikitech-l] Development process doesn't work (yes this is another complaint from another community member)

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
My point is that if review of 15 lines of code, takes 6+ months, there is very likely a reason for improvement of current process, which may look as working. If I knew it works like it actually works I would never tried to work on what I did. So if there is not going to be improvement in this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Bináris
2012/4/4 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com Also, you might want to query the databases to see how many admins don't have an email address set. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few. IMO any that dont have an email set should have their sysop bit removed. Would it be a crazy idea to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
Actually sysops could be just required to have the email set in the project guidelines. If they don't do that and their account expire, they lost the sysop. I don't see it as a big deal. I hope that sysops are clever enough to at least be able to follow their own rules. On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Actually sysops could be just required to have the email set in the project guidelines. If they don't do that and their account expire, they lost the sysop. I don't see it as a big deal. I hope that sysops are clever enough to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
I don't say this would be enabled for all projects, it could be a replacement of that weird policy for removal of inactive sysops they created on few wikis, including english wikipedia. It would be just a slightly better solution for same problem as they have right now. If they don't want to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Thomas Morton
On 4 April 2012 10:21, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: I don't say this would be enabled for all projects, it could be a replacement of that weird policy for removal of inactive sysops they created on few wikis, including english wikipedia. It would be just a slightly better solution for

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
Indeed :-) But if I didn't think it's weird, I wouldn't start this. I am always trying to find a solution from programmer point of view for a problems which community sometimes try to solve by hand. On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 4 April

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Thomas Morton
On 4 April 2012 10:28, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed :-) But if I didn't think it's weird, I wouldn't start this. I am always trying to find a solution from programmer point of view for a problems which community sometimes try to solve by hand. From a security perspective (my

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed :-) But if I didn't think it's weird, I wouldn't start this. I am always trying to find a solution from programmer point of view for a problems which community sometimes try to solve by hand. But the community isn't

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
I see a lot of differences: The current process needs to be done by hand, which isn't just annoying, but also not fail safe, some accounts might be overlooked, etc. Bureaucrats can mislick or forget. The email account is likely much more safe than wikimedia account, the google for example offers

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Thomas Morton
The current process needs to be done by hand, which isn't just annoying, but also not fail safe, some accounts might be overlooked, etc. Bureaucrats can mislick or forget. Certainly automatic de-sysoping after a certain inactivity would be useful; an extension that does the notifications and

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC 2012: Proposal-Wikipedia Corpus Tools

2012-04-04 Thread Oren Bochman
You do understand correctly! The main idea about NLP components is with POS tagger as an example: 1. a fall back system that does unsupervised POS tagging. 2. the ability to plug in an existing POS tagger as these become available for specific languages. I would as supervisor would recommend

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC 2012: Proposal-Wikipedia Corpus Tools

2012-04-04 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2012/4/4 Oren Bochman orenboch...@gmail.com: You do understand correctly! The main idea about NLP components is with POS tagger as an example: Just to make sure, POS = part of speech, isn't it? It's one of the most confusing TLAs in computing :) If we could get QA from other native speakers

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
Ok, your reply makes a lot of sense. However problem is that how users get more hats they are usually more afraid of loosing them :-) and would probably like to have an option to protect from attackers (I don't really know but I hope that people with some extra flags are trying to have a secure

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Thomas Morton
Ok, your reply makes a lot of sense. However problem is that how users get more hats they are usually more afraid of loosing them :-) and would probably like to have an option to protect from attackers (I don't really know but I hope that people with some extra flags are trying to have a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 April 2012 09:39, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: Besides; you're looking for a problem to fit the solution. On English Wikipedia compromised accounts are, in themselves, rare occurrences. And compromised sysop accounts rarer (read; I've never seen one!). There was a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Daniel Friesen
Something on password rate limits has been on my mind ever since watching one of the Security Now episodes. Rather than cut-off rate limits isn't it a better experience to use something with a slow exponential/compound increase Think about the case where the user has forgotten their

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Daniel Friesen
Sooo... we're on the way to HTTPS... what's next? YubiKey/Google Authenticator/etc... 2-factor auth? Or signed client side user certificates (keygen, etc...)? -- ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:31:02 -0700, Petr Bena

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google Summer of Code - Integrate upload from Flickr Taxobox (Ryan Kaldari)

2012-04-04 Thread David Palacios
Hi there, I have finished my proposal. I know the deadline is soon but I will appreciate any feedback. I also know there is more than one proposal for this project, but one week ago when I posted my interest in this project I couldn't end my proposal on time. Anyway I still want to participate.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Platonides
On 04/04/12 10:47, Petr Bena wrote: The accounts could be compromised just using a brute force attacks which would be running for a long time. Since user would never know their account is being cracked, they would likely never bother with making their password more strong, neither report it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
I said it would be opt-in so they wouldn't be spammed unless they would like to be On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/04/12 10:47, Petr Bena wrote: The accounts could be compromised just using a brute force attacks which would be running for a long

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Chad
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: I said it would be opt-in so they wouldn't be spammed unless they would like to be I would like to remind everyone that user preferences are evil--especially when it comes to things relating to security. The correct thing to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
Why is it evil? On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: I said it would be opt-in so they wouldn't be spammed unless they would like to be I would like to remind everyone that user preferences

Re: [Wikitech-l] Development process doesn't work (yes this is another complaint from another community member)

2012-04-04 Thread Tim Starling
On 04/04/12 18:27, Svip wrote: My NaturalLanguageList extension[1] has been queued for code review since March 2010.[2] And I still believe WMF wikis like Wiktionary and Commons would greatly benefit from such an extension. At least until the Lua-wikicode thing gets worked out. I think it's

Re: [Wikitech-l] Development process doesn't work (yes this is another complaint from another community member)

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
Hi Tim, So that's exactly how I understand it. All programmers who seemed to be good enough were hired and now work as employees, while people who are working on their own have low priority (simply are ignored). That's why I say this philosophy kills the idea of open source, while it's surely

Re: [Wikitech-l] Development process doesn't work (yes this is another complaint from another community member)

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
That's probably not exactly what I wanted to say: MediaWiki is clearly still open source at some point, as long as people (strangers / not just employees) are allowed to commit to repository. But the wikimedia project and site is not really that open, since people aren't allowed to submit any

Re: [Wikitech-l] Development process doesn't work (yes this is another complaint from another community member)

2012-04-04 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
Petr: My sympathies on the frustration. First I'm going to talk about the problem in general, then about your issue. Yes, the Wikimedia community is too slow to review contributions in general. The experienced developers who could do code review include many people who don't work for the

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread OQ
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Why is it evil? Bluntly? Users, for the most part, are stupid. Or rather, they make silly choices that can make systems more vulnerable without knowing better. ___ Wikitech-l mailing

Re: [Wikitech-l] template for linking to GitWeb

2012-04-04 Thread Platonides
On 03/04/12 22:08, Chad wrote: There is a gerrit interwiki prefix. You can use it like [[gerrit:1234]]. You're right in that making a gitweb one is impractical--templates are the way to go here. -Chad Why impractical? There's no reason [[gitrev:c2a3ff15fc2b69e7a8f6fd7c4143718708619494]]

Re: [Wikitech-l] template for linking to GitWeb

2012-04-04 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2012/4/4 Platonides platoni...@gmail.com: On 03/04/12 22:08, Chad wrote: There is a gerrit interwiki prefix. You can use it like [[gerrit:1234]]. You're right in that making a gitweb one is impractical--templates are the way to go here. -Chad Why impractical? There's no reason

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC 2012: Proposal-Wikipedia Corpus Tools (Oren Bochman) (Amir E. Aharoni)(Gregory Varnum)

2012-04-04 Thread karthik prasad
Dear Sirs, I am grateful for your valuable feedback and suggestions. I have updated my proposal based on the inputs given by you. The split-up of the deliverables on the ideas page indeed helped me understand the requirements more clearly. The link to my updated proposal is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
That sounds like as microsoft would interpret how perfect system should work, and why I don't like windows: We know best what the user wants, so let us configure the system according to what we think that is best for them, without even giving them option to change anything on that Seriously,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
Also keep in mind we are talking about accounts which are interesting for hackers, stewards and such. I hope that people who are volunteering as stewards aren't just stupid and would eventually read manual / ask someone who knows how does it work, before changing options in insecure way. (Anyway

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
Let me clarify: we are talking about accounts which are interesting for hackers such as these of stewards. I didn't want to compare stewards to hackers :-) On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Also keep in mind we are talking about accounts which are interesting

Re: [Wikitech-l] Development process doesn't work (yes this is another complaint from another community member)

2012-04-04 Thread Jeroen De Dauw
Hey, On 4 April 2012 14:45, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I think it's pretty likely that the Lua feature will be live before NaturalLanguageList gets looked at again. NaturalLanguageList was not sufficiently inspiring to get included in the roadmap. I don't know about this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Thomas Morton
On 4 April 2012 15:35, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: That sounds like as microsoft would interpret how perfect system should work, and why I don't like windows: We know best what the user wants, so let us configure the system according to what we think that is best for them, without

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Thomas Morton
On 4 April 2012 15:40, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Also keep in mind we are talking about accounts which are interesting for hackers, stewards and such. I hope that people who are volunteering as stewards aren't just stupid and would eventually read manual / ask someone who knows how

[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114644]: New comment added

2012-04-04 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Jeroen De Dauw posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114644. URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114644#c32618 Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114644: applied patch by MWJames provided at bug 35627 Jeroen De Dauw's comment: I'm going to wait with the stylize untill this is in git,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Development process doesn't work (yes this is another complaint from another community member)

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
On 4 April 2012 14:45, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I think it's pretty likely that the Lua feature will be live before NaturalLanguageList gets looked at again. NaturalLanguageList was not sufficiently inspiring to get included in the roadmap. I think that the correct

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
OK, but this is a new option which doesn't exist now, and if it could be turned off, it wouldn't affect the security more than making it just same as it's now. The reason why it should be in preferences is that some users might want it and some would rather not have it. (In fact as default this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Development process doesn't work (yes this is another complaint from another community member)

2012-04-04 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2012/4/4 Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com: On 4 April 2012 14:45, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I think it's pretty likely that the Lua feature will be live before NaturalLanguageList gets looked at again. NaturalLanguageList was not sufficiently inspiring to get included in the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Chad
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:24 AM, OQ overlo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Why is it evil? Bluntly? Users, for the most part, are stupid. Or rather, they make silly choices that can make systems more vulnerable without knowing better.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Petr Bena
That's something 1 group of people agree and another strongly disagree Let's make both, if you really want simple preferences, why not to have advanced toggle, which uncover the complex stuff? On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:24 AM,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Chad
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: That's something 1 group of people agree and another strongly disagree Let's make both, if you really want simple preferences, why not to have advanced toggle, which uncover the complex stuff? Because we've been over this

[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114644]: New comment added

2012-04-04 Thread MediaWiki Mail
^demon posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114644. URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114644#c32619 Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114644: applied patch by MWJames provided at bug 35627 ^demon's comment: Well part of the point of debug mode in RL is getting the unminified

[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114634]: New comment added

2012-04-04 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Platonides posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114634. URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114634#c32620 Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114634: Switched to using curl since more users will have it Platonides's comment: References?

[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114023]: New comment added, and revision status changed

2012-04-04 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Jeroen De Dauw changed the status of MediaWiki.r114023 to new and commented it. URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114023#c32621 Old Status: fixme New Status: new Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114023: work on special:studentactivity and adding frank his images Jeroen De

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inactive sysops + improving security

2012-04-04 Thread Benjamin Lees
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: Rather than cut-off rate limits isn't it a better experience to use something with a slow exponential/compound increase It's worth noting that there's already a softer cut-off: ConfirmEdit's badlogin trigger.

[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r110208]: Revision status changed

2012-04-04 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Krinkle changed the status of MediaWiki.r110208 to new URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110208 Old status: deferred New status: new Commit summary for MediaWiki.r110208: Commiting the initial revision of the Scripting extension, a framework that allows programming

[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r110796]: Revision status changed

2012-04-04 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Krinkle changed the status of MediaWiki.r110796 to new URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/110796 Old status: deferred New status: new Commit summary for MediaWiki.r110796: Add integration with CodeEditor extension. ___

[Wikitech-l] GSoC - Integrate upload from Flickr

2012-04-04 Thread David Palacios
Hi there, I moved the page of my proposal to a new name. The link is: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Davidpardz/GSoC_2012_application Hope you can check it out. Regards, -- David Palacios ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] first Wikidata office hour on IRC

2012-04-04 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hey :) just a quick reminder that the english one will be in about 23 hours. Cheers Lydia On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: Hi everyone! Next week the Wikidata team will be complete and start working at full speed. Finally! \o/  I will be

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC 2012 - Integration of Flickr and enhancing Geolocation support in Upload Wizard

2012-04-04 Thread drecodeam
On Wednesday 4 April 2012 at 9:18 AM, Gregory Varnum wrote: drecodeam, This proposal and the other one I just responded to about Flickr seem to have some overlaps. I suspect only one would be accepted - and this one does appear to be more developed at this stage. However, similar

[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114242]: New comment added

2012-04-04 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Platonides posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114242. URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114242#c32622 Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114242: auto-summary, auto-delete-reason Platonides's comment: Spaces instead of tabs ___

[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114448]: New comment added

2012-04-04 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Platonides posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114448. URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114448#c32623 Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114448: use content-based diff Platonides's comment: Speces instead of tabs ___

[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114631]: New comment added

2012-04-04 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Platonides posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114631. URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114631#c32624 Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114631: clean up comments hints Platonides's comment: Your cleanup replaces tabs with spaces in ImagePane.php

[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114707]: Revision status changed

2012-04-04 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Nikerabbit changed the status of MediaWiki.r114707 to ok URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114707 Old status: new New status: ok Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114707: followup to -r114692 - remove trailing space from message

[Wikitech-l] Changes status in Gerrit

2012-04-04 Thread Antoine Musso
Dear Gerrit users, Gerrit let us flag changes with two fields: - Code Review - Verified Anyone is allowed to +1/-1 the Code Review field but only a few people are allowed to mark a change as Verified. I have bring back Jenkins in action and it is now running tests for us, whenever a test

[Wikitech-l] GSOC-2012(proposal)Convention Extension

2012-04-04 Thread akshay chugh
Hi everyone, I seek to work on building a Convention extension as part of the Google Summer of Code project.I have set up a proposal for the same , here is the link http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Chughakshay16/GSOCProposal(2012). I haven't found a mentor to work with me for this project yet,

Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikimediaMobile] HTML history interface / api use for MobileFrontend

2012-04-04 Thread Tomasz Finc
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Jon Robson jrob...@wikimedia.org wrote: I've been experimenting with the api that Max Semenik has been working on and the html5 history interface [1] to add javascript to the MobileFrontend extension so that any searches, link to other articles and section

Re: [Wikitech-l] Changes status in Gerrit

2012-04-04 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: Dear Gerrit users, Gerrit let us flag changes with two fields: - Code Review - Verified Anyone is allowed to +1/-1 the Code Review field but only a few people are allowed to mark a change as Verified. I have

[Wikitech-l] You are invited to join the wikiHow source code cleanup project

2012-04-04 Thread Jack Phoenix
To those who don't know me yet, hi! I'm Jack Phoenix, and I've been a MediaWiki developer since May 2008. One of the major third-party users of the MediaWiki software is wikiHow ( http://www.wikihow.com/), a free how-to manual. In my opinion, wikiHow rocks! (No, I don't work for wikiHow and I

Re: [Wikitech-l] You are invited to join the wikiHow source code cleanup project

2012-04-04 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
Jack Phoenix Lewis Cawte Gold stars to you both. This is fantastic. -- Sumana Harihareswara Volunteer Development Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC-2012(proposal)Convention Extension

2012-04-04 Thread Gregory Varnum
As a reminder to folks. Please remember that students are in need of mentors. Its key to their applications. Please designate your interest on the MW.org GSOC page to help connect with students. You're also welcome to use this list to reach out to folks like Akshay who you may feel is

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC 2012: Proposal-Wikipedia Corpus Tools (Oren Bochman) (Amir E. Aharoni)(Gregory Varnum)

2012-04-04 Thread Gregory Varnum
This looks much more in-depth and helpful. I think your best next step is to, if you haven't already, connect with potential mentors and indicate who those folks are within your proposal. -Greg ___ Sent from my iPad. Apologies for any typos. A more detailed response may be sent later.

[Wikitech-l] Proposal to complete manually complete unification of all accounts

2012-04-04 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
[[User:JohnnyMrNinja]] contacted me today to ask for developer input on his proposal to complete account unification. I copied his comments from the discussion on meta to a bug (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35707) and said I would post the request here. I don't know enough about SUL to know

[Wikitech-l] GSOC 2012 : Lucene Automatic Query Expansion from Wikipedia Text

2012-04-04 Thread Gautham Shankar
Hello, I'm Gautham Shankar from India pursuing my 4th year bachelors in computer science and engineering.I find the project proposal Lucene Automatic Query Expansion from Wikipedia Text in GSOC 2012 very interesting and would love to work on it. i have created a proposal for the idea

Re: [Wikitech-l] Development process doesn't work (yes this is another complaint from another community member)

2012-04-04 Thread MZMcBride
Tim Starling wrote: On 04/04/12 18:27, Svip wrote: My NaturalLanguageList extension[1] has been queued for code review since March 2010.[2] And I still believe WMF wikis like Wiktionary and Commons would greatly benefit from such an extension. At least until the Lua-wikicode thing gets

[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114623]: New comment added

2012-04-04 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Raindrift posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114623. URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114623#c32625 Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114623: added stuff to the article collection to allow specifying api parameters fetch a list of namespaces from config for making a select list

[MediaWiki-CodeReview] [MediaWiki r114719]: New comment added

2012-04-04 Thread MediaWiki Mail
Siebrand posted a comment on MediaWiki.r114719. URL: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/114719#c32626 Commit summary for MediaWiki.r114719: Removing these memcache calls for now. It doesn't work properly, and doing it correctly will be a lot of effort. Siebrand's comment:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Upcoming cultural heritage hackathon, autumn 2012 in Denmark

2012-04-04 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 04/02/2012 07:36 AM, Ole Palnatoke Andersen wrote: Hello! Various cultural institutions in Denmark are planning a cultural heritage hackathon in the autumn. They are still in the google-doc-phase:

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