Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Ryan Lane
But do we have a plan for improving Gerrit in a substantial way? Gerrit releases often and every release is quite better than the last. Chad can and has been pushing changes upstream. OpenStack (which has 180+ companies that can potentially assist), QT, and other substantial communities are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Alolita Sharma alolita.sha...@gmail.com wrote: Cool, Priestley is awesome. If he comes to visit we should prevent him from leaving :) +1. We should definitely think about adopting Phabricator as a project if we're going to invest in its core developer. I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 12:39 AM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: 1. It would be worrisome from a security point of view to host the operations repos on Github. I think it's very likely that those repos would stay in Gerrit if the devs decided to move to Github. This would mean that we'd

Re: [Wikitech-l] Creating a centralized access point for propriety databases/resources

2012-07-25 Thread Derk-Jan Hartman
You could always create an OpenVPN gateway that provides access. Many edu institutions have the same setup to access those resources. DJ On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Ocaasi Ocaasi wikioca...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Folks! The problem: Many proprietary research databases have donated free

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Niklas Laxström
On 25 July 2012 10:39, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: But do we have a plan for improving Gerrit in a substantial way? Currently the platform guys are too busy to even report bugs upstream. I'm not sure I agree with the claim that this seriously undercuts productivity. Is there any data

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Terry Chay
On Jul 24, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: On 07/17/2012 08:41 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: It would appear from reading this page that the only alternative to Gerrit that has a serious following is GitHub. Is that the case? There's some irony and yet so apropos in that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Terry Chay
I think Ori's comment that touched this off was tongue-in-cheek. :-) On Jul 25, 2012, at 12:40 AM, Roan Kattouw wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Alolita Sharma alolita.sha...@gmail.com wrote: Cool, Priestley is awesome. If he comes to visit we should prevent him from leaving

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Terry Chay
On Jul 25, 2012, at 12:39 AM, Ryan Lane wrote: Many claims that Gerrit sucks tend to be due with misunderstandings of how Gerrit works. Many other claims are due to our workflow or our restrictions with access currently. Of course, many claims are legitimate and we are reporting the issues,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Chad
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Terry Chay tc...@wikimedia.org wrote: Related is the fact that we seem to have a lot of PHP web dev expertise (for some reason) and Gerrit went from Python (serviceable) to Java (totally opaque). Apologies to those of you at the WMF who lurv

Re: [Wikitech-l] Creating a centralized access point for propriety databases/resources

2012-07-25 Thread Ocaasi Ocaasi
Thanks for the tip!   I'm trying to understand the differences between: *phpMyAdmin *SAML *OpenID *OpenVPN Could you give me a quick insight into how they differ, strengths/weaknesses, etc.? More details for The Wikipedia Library concept are at http://enwp.org/WP:TWL Cheers!   Jake Orlowitz

Re: [Wikitech-l] Creating a centralized access point for propriety databases/resources

2012-07-25 Thread Thomas Morton
I can cover some of thse: *phpMyAdmin This is an open source database manager for MySQL databases - it won't work for what you want. *SAML *OpenID From the page you link it looks like you know about these two; i.e. they act as sign in gateways. OpenID is more indie, SAML is more

Re: [Wikitech-l] Creating a centralized access point for propriety databases/resources

2012-07-25 Thread Oren Bochman
Hi This looks similar to something I have been thinking about recently However I would go about it using openeId. But it would require all the databases sites to support openId. I think that the extensions exists to do this using mediawiki, but WMF projects do not trust/support this method of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Creating a centralized access point for propriety databases/resources

2012-07-25 Thread Ocaasi Ocaasi
We currently have relationships with three separate resource databases. *HighBeam, 1000 authorized accounts, 700 active (http://enwp.org/WP:HighBeam) *JSTOR, 100 accounts, all active (http://enwp.org/WP:JSTOR) *Credo, 400 accounts, all active (http://enwp.org/WP:CREDO) No parties have agreed to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Creating a centralized access point for propriety databases/resources

2012-07-25 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
Ocaasi, please centralize your notes, ideas, and plans regarding this here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/AcademicAccess I know Chad Horohoe, Ryan Lane, and Chris Steipp might have things to say about this; per https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2012-13_Goals#Activities_12

[Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Questions about browser geolocalization improvement proposal

2012-07-25 Thread Cristian Consonni
Hi all, I have started a thread on Wikimedia-l mailing lst[1a][1b] about a proposal for improvement[2] of the current geolocation system used by Geonotice[3]. In the following e-mail we had some question about how the geolocalization from browser works. In particular, with the geolocalization

Re: [Wikitech-l] ANN: Multilingual Linked Open Data for Enterprise (MLODE) Leipzig, September 23-24-25, 2012

2012-07-25 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hi Sebastian, ich denke, dass wir zu dem Treffen was beitragen können. Was denkst Du? Welche Form wäre am sinnvollsten? Grüße, Denny 2012/7/24 Sebastian Hellmann hellm...@informatik.uni-leipzig.de: *Save the date: Leipzig, Germany 23-24-25 September 2012 http://sabre2012.infai.org/mlode

Re: [Wikitech-l] Creating a centralized access point for propriety databases/resources

2012-07-25 Thread Oren Bochman
Hi Ocaasi I agree that tighter work with the database providers is in order. 1000+ accounts for top contributors can make a significant impact on Wikipedia fact checking. Based on my experience at university (where I taught a lab-class on reference database usage) that there are many more

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Terry Chay tc...@wikimedia.org wrote: I think Ori's comment that touched this off was tongue-in-cheek. :-) Indeed, we're not hiring anyone at this point :). We're meeting folks from different code review projects as part of the process. We're also trying

[Wikitech-l] branched article history extension [Re: Article revision numbers]

2012-07-25 Thread Adam Wight
Hi, I've started working on an extension to manage branching history, calling it Nonlinear. Here's the crude code, https://github.com/adamwight/Nonlinear Screenshot of the effect on revision history: mediawiki screenshot On 07/16/2012 04:10 PM, Platonides wrote: On 17/07/12 00:22, Adam

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Ryan Lane
* What does GitHub Enterprise buy us? Which of these issues would that fix? It's a self-hosted GitHub. It would allow us to have private repositories (good for deploys, ops, etc.) and manage our own user database (we could integrate with our own auth system) and probably waives the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Creating a centralized access point for propriety databases/resources

2012-07-25 Thread Ryan Lane
I'm trying to understand the differences between: *phpMyAdmin *SAML *OpenID *OpenVPN You should only consider SAML and OpenID. More exactly, you should really only consider SAML, since the resources you are trying to connect to only support SAML, and not OpenID. We can use OpenID for

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Derric Atzrott
As mentioned before, we can't use github enterprise at all, since it doesn't allow for hosting public repos. Let's ignore that it even exists. I feel like as Wikipedia is one of the top 10 most visited sites on the Internet we might be able to work out something special with them though right?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Creating a centralized access point for propriety databases/resources

2012-07-25 Thread Ocaasi Ocaasi
@ Ryan, If you say SAML is the best approach, then that's what we'll use.   OpenID can be a backup for those that are not SAML compatible for some reason. @ Oren, we want to make it so that the vast majority of the work is done on our end if possible.  Ideally, participating resource donors

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Steven Walling
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:26 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: As one quick update, we're also in touch with Evan Priestley, who's no longer at Facebook and now running Phabricator as a dedicated open source project and potential business. If all goes well, Evan's going to come

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Faidon Liambotis
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 02:21:03PM -0400, Derric Atzrott wrote: As mentioned before, we can't use github enterprise at all, since it doesn't allow for hosting public repos. Let's ignore that it even exists. I feel like as Wikipedia is one of the top 10 most visited sites on the Internet we

Re: [Wikitech-l] suggestion: replace CAPTCHA with better approaches

2012-07-25 Thread Oren Bochman
Hi The wikipedia's captcha is a great opportunity for getting '''useful'' work done by humans. This is now called a [[game with a purpose]]. I think we can ideally use it to help: * ocr wikisource text like recaptcha does * translate articles fragments using geo-location of editors.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Category Internacionalization.

2012-07-25 Thread Mauricio Etchevest
I can get all the categories with the Parser Output, but I can´t add or delete a category. I'm using updateCategoryCounts() in LinksUpdate but it doesn't work. On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: El 24/07/12 19:45, Mauricio Etchevest escribió: Hi ! I'm

Re: [Wikitech-l] suggestion: replace CAPTCHA with better approaches

2012-07-25 Thread Derric Atzrott
This way if people feel motivated at cheating at captcha they will end up helping Wikipedia It is up to us to try to balance things out. I'm pretty sure users will be less annoyed at solving captchas that actually contribute some value. Obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/810/ The best CAPTCHAs

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Terry Chay
On Jul 25, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Faidon Liambotis wrote: think the BitKeeper story is relevant here Yes, good point. Honestly before we talk GitHub or GitLab, we should consider if we are willing to rethink our model of handling code submissions to be more Pull-requesty. These two

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Alolita Sharma
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Terry Chay tc...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Jul 25, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Faidon Liambotis wrote: think the BitKeeper story is relevant here Yes, good point. Honestly before we talk GitHub or GitLab, we should consider if we are willing to rethink our

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Terry Chay
Well there's more than pushing changes upstream. Modifying/customizing Gerri's UI is supposed to be able to be done without pushing back upstream. As a relative novice of GWT, modifying/customizing UI in gerrit seems rather opaque. But before I go whole hog on Phabricator, I'd have to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Chad
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Terry Chay tc...@wikimedia.org wrote: In their defense, I think a lot of it has to do with terrible UI/UX in Gerrit. The basics is can be modified by CSS and templates (I believe we've done some), but it only goes so far. How do I modify Javascript in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread aude
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:09 AM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 07/17/2012 08:41 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: It would appear from reading this page that the only alternative to Gerrit that has a serious following is GitHub. Is that the case? We definitely need a GitHub

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Platonides
On 25/07/12 19:49, Ryan Lane wrote: None of these issues are Gerrit specific. You are complaining about the switch from svn to git. Yes, we know there was productivity lost in the switchover. We're discussing alternatives to git, not the switchover, though. - Ryan We're discussing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Platonides
On 25/07/12 06:09, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: == A couple open questions == * What's the FLOSS project on GitHub that's most like us, in terms of size, number of unique repositories, privacy concerns, robustness needs, and so on? How are they dealing with these issues? I think php project.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Roan Kattouw
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't actually tried doing custom Javascript yet, but it should be completely doable via the GerritSite.html header that you can customize (in fact, I've got some other non-JS customizations I want to roll out there

Re: [Wikitech-l] suggestion: replace CAPTCHA with better approaches

2012-07-25 Thread John Vandenberg
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: This way if people feel motivated at cheating at captcha they will end up helping Wikipedia It is up to us to try to balance things out. I'm pretty sure users will be less annoyed at solving captchas that

[Wikitech-l] Problem with saving edits

2012-07-25 Thread James Heilman
I have been having problems saving some edits the last week or so. This is not associated with an edit conflict. Wondering if anyone else has experience this problem? -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com

Re: [Wikitech-l] Problem with saving edits

2012-07-25 Thread MZMcBride
James Heilman wrote: I have been having problems saving some edits the last week or so. This is not associated with an edit conflict. Wondering if anyone else has experience this problem? You're being incredibly vague here. On which wikis have you had this problem? Does it happen every time

[Wikitech-l] IRC office hours with the Analytics team, Monday, July 30, 2012 at 19:00 UTC

2012-07-25 Thread Tilman Bayer
Hi all, you are cordially invited to the first ever IRC office hours of the Foundation's recently formed Analytics team, taking place in #wikimedia-analytics on Freenode on Monday, July 30 at 19:00 UTC / noon PT (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=19day=30month=07year=2012

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-25 Thread Ryan Lane
We're discussing alternatives to *gerrit*, not to git. Heh. Sorry, yes. that's what I meant. - Ryan ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] suggestion: replace CAPTCHA with better approaches

2012-07-25 Thread Daniel Friesen
On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:55:06 -0700, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: This way if people feel motivated at cheating at captcha they will end up helping Wikipedia It is up to us to try to balance