Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-17 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2015-04-17 8:53 GMT+03:00 quiddity pandiculat...@gmail.com: On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: [1] I remember User:Sj calling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Backlog the best page on Wikipedia; he's quite right. +1. Are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-16 Thread quiddity
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: [1] I remember User:Sj calling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Backlog the best page on Wikipedia; he's quite right. +1. I also like the https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Maintenance_panel

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-15 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
I agree that lists is a bigger thing in Wikimedia world than many people think, possibly because of lot of work on lists happens as homegrown projects by caring volunteer editors. Various personal and group task lists, backlogs[1], wikiprojects, list-based editathons, education programs, Articles

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Can I just agree with everything Brian just said? +1 :) Am 08.04.2015 um 23:50 schrieb Brian Wolff: To be nitpicky, not only is it possible to combine rc with wikipages, its been supported (and mostly unused) for ages in the form of special:recentchangeslinked. More structured lists could be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Brian Wolff
To be nitpicky, not only is it possible to combine rc with wikipages, its been supported (and mostly unused) for ages in the form of special:recentchangeslinked. More structured lists could be done with content handler (as with all things there are pros and cons to such an approach).

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
I hope no 60 storey building is in the making. The bazaar is horizontal, a vertical suk is too similar to a cathedral. Nemo ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Risker
Well, let's be honest. Whatever the theories behind it, these are content pages, they aren't mini-watchlists or really anything even all that technically related to the watchlist wishlist. Content belongs in a content space. Whether it gets its own wikispace, or it uses userspace, is sort of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Brian Wolff
On Apr 8, 2015 2:59 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: The main motivation for lists as not being wikipages is so that they can be combined with the recent changes feed and other things stored in the database. To be nitpicky, not only is it possible to combine rc with wikipages, its

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Adam Wight
I think the explicit schema will be brilliant when applied to collections, it will facilitate linking tools and more. But would it make sense to represent lists as a wikidata statements, as a compromise between native SQL and wiki pages? We would gain the standard onwiki tools, a data structure

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Jon Robson
The main motivation for lists as not being wikipages is so that they can be combined with the recent changes feed and other things stored in the database. We'll also hoping to support the filtering of collections via tags which becomes much easier if stored in a database. A watchlist is not a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
On Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:17:44 +0200, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: A watchlist is not a wikipage, so that in my eyes sets a precedent. Its also unequivocally private. I think a lot of the conflict here comes from the dual nature of gather as public/private. I think a closer precedent

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Jon Robson
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 8, 2015 2:59 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: The main motivation for lists as not being wikipages is so that they can be combined with the recent changes feed and other things stored in the database. To

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-08 Thread Derk-Jan Hartman
On 8 apr. 2015, at 21:17, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: I think the problem is one of integration. People want anything publically editable to be consistent. Earlier in this thread TheDJ made a comparison to building an office tower with duct tape. Well he has a fair point about

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-07 Thread Derk-Jan Hartman
Can we stop pretending that duct tape is the best thing out there ? It’s great as patch-up material and as an arts project you can probably build a house out of it you really tried, but that doesn’t make it a good building material for a 60 story office building. DJ, Let’s naturalize a few

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-06 Thread Risker
Indeed. What about Gathering (which at least matches the name of the extension) or Cluster - maybe even Compilation. Of course, there's the problem of having two extensions doing similar things, which will create problems when we have to come up with words in other languages, too. Nonetheless,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-06 Thread jayvdb
If public 'lists' were serialised as real pages (true first class citizens) all the usual functions would work, and if they were serialised as wikitext, those pages would look remarkably like existing Collections. On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 02:37 Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Oh look, we go full

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-04 Thread Kevin Wayne Williams
I hereby nominate collections. Describes it well and, at least to my ear, helps convey a bit of the notion that it's a personal thing. KWW Risker schreef op 2015/04/04 om 8:08: Hi Jon - These look interesting, and I'm sure some people will enjoy them a lot. From my perspective as a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-04 Thread Alex Monk
Collections are already taken as well: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection On 4 April 2015 at 16:15, Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote: I hereby nominate collections. Describes it well and, at least to my ear, helps convey a bit of the notion that it's a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-04 Thread Brian Wolff
Oh look, we go full circle ;) I haven't checked but given its implemented as a special page i doubt Risker's cu concerns are addressed. Edits to lists do not appear in contribs on beta site. --bawolff On Apr 4, 2015 11:15 AM, Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote: I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-04 Thread Risker
Hi Jon - These look interesting, and I'm sure some people will enjoy them a lot. From my perspective as a oversighter and checkuser, as long as I'm able to suppress information on the page, and the edits to the page show up in the contributions tables that are available for checkusers for review,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

2015-04-03 Thread Pine W
Hi Jon, You might want to discuss this project here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Council You could also discuss this with the WikiProject X team: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_X Pine *This is an Encyclopedia* https://www.wikipedia.org/