Re: [Wikitech-l] Why does api.php surround text with paragraph tags?

2013-08-12 Thread Brian Wolff
On 8/12/13, Daniel Barrett d...@vistaprint.com wrote: The MediaWiki API seems to add paragraph tags when it parses wikitext, but only sometimes. Example: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=parsepage=Extension:Header/versionformat=jsonprop=text This page (Extension:Header/version)

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Parser: Assistance resolving ToC/extension conflict

2013-08-16 Thread Brian Wolff
On 8/16/13, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.org wrote: And I really should have suggested reporting the feature request in bugzilla as well. It is helpful when patches can be associated with a bug number. --scott He listed a bug in his previous email:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia's anti-surveillance plans: site hardening

2013-08-16 Thread Brian Wolff
On 8/16/13, Zack Weinberg za...@cmu.edu wrote: Hi, I'm a grad student at CMU studying network security in general and censorship / surveillance resistance in particular. I also used to work for Mozilla, some of you may remember me in that capacity. My friend Sumana Harihareswara asked me to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia's anti-surveillance plans: site hardening

2013-08-17 Thread Brian Wolff
hi faidon, i do not think you personally and WMF are particularly helpful in accepting contributions. because you: * do not communicate openly the problems * do not report upstream publically * do not ask for help, and even if it gets offered you just ignore it with quite some arrogance

Re: [Wikitech-l] Key community metrics to influence our plans

2013-08-19 Thread Brian Wolff
In demographics we can see pretty good information about all data sources community. Mailing list members are going down also (mailing lists are used less? where is the support of the projects moving on?), Data about mailing lists, IRC and even wikis is good to have but I'm not sure they are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Veracity check for Tech news #34

2013-08-23 Thread Brian Wolff
On 8/23/13, Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, It would be great if a few pairs of eyes could take a look at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2013/34 before I send it to translators, to check that I haven't missed anything super-important or misunderstood what the

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMFs stance on non-GPL code

2013-08-25 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-08-25 6:20 PM, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 12:15 AM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious what the stance of WMF is on BSD, MIT and MPL licensed code. In particular, could such code be deployed on WMF servers? I'm sure it is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Javascript to find other articles having the same external link

2013-08-26 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-08-26 8:55 AM, Mark Holmquist mtrac...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:07:16AM +0200, Ole Palnatoke Andersen wrote: I'd love to see a similar thing for articles linking to the same book via ISBN. You can do that in the JavaScript just by adding to the selector at

[Wikitech-l] A metadata API module for commons

2013-08-31 Thread Brian Wolff
Hi all, I've been working on an api module/extension to extract metadata from commons image description pages, and display it in the API. I know this is an area that various people have thought about from time to time, so I thought it would be of interest to this list. The specific goals I have:

Re: [Wikitech-l] A metadata API module for commons

2013-09-04 Thread Brian Wolff
On 8/31/13, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: However, how much more work would it be to insert it directly into Wikidata right now? I worry about doing the work twice if Wikidata could take it now - presumably the hard work is the reliable screen-scraping, and building the

Re: [Wikitech-l] A metadata API module for commons

2013-09-04 Thread Brian Wolff
On 9/1/13, Jean-Frédéric jeanfrederic.w...@gmail.com wrote: [..] The downside to this is in order to effectively get metadata out of commons given the current practises, one essentially has to screen scrape and do slightly ugly things This [1] looks quite acrobatic indeed. Can’t we make

Re: [Wikitech-l] A metadata API module for commons

2013-09-09 Thread Brian Wolff
On 9/6/13, Daniel Kinzler dan...@brightbyte.de wrote: The only thing I'm slightly worried about is the data model and representation of the metadata. Swapping one backend for another will only work if they are conceptually compatible. The data model I was using was simple key-value pairs.

Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC]: Clean URLs- dropping /wiki/ and /w/index.php?title=..

2013-09-16 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2013-09-16 7:12 PM, Gabriel Wicke gwi...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, while tinkering with a RESTful content API I was reminded of an old pet peeve of mine: The URLs we use in Wikimedia projects are relatively long and ugly. I believe that we now have the ability to clean this up if we want

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Release workflow recommendation] A public releases JSON file.

2014-09-18 Thread Brian Wolff
On 9/18/14, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: Every once in awhile I've found an idea for a service which would for one reason or another need to know what releases of MediaWiki exist and which ones are obsolete. As far as I know, we don't have any sort of API or machine

Re: [Wikitech-l] Come develop Video, *the* video embedding extension for MediaWiki!

2014-09-23 Thread Brian Wolff
On Sep 23, 2014 8:41 AM, Jack Phoenix j...@countervandalism.net wrote: tl,dr: MediaWiki needs a more human-friendly interface for using videos in wiki pages. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Video significantly improves the video experience in MediaWiki. The extension is not

Re: [Wikitech-l] git review problems

2014-09-23 Thread Brian Wolff
On 9/23/14, Merlijn van Deen valhall...@arctus.nl wrote: On 23 Sep 2014 02:34, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently I spoke too soon - authentication fails with https too. So it really is unusable. Please note that the https password is *not* your normal wikitech password, but

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Security and Maintenance Releases: 1.19.19, 1.22.11 and 1.23.4

2014-09-26 Thread Brian Wolff
On 9/26/14, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 September 2014 23:28, Markus Glaser gla...@hallowelt.biz wrote: Patch to previous version (1.19.18): https://releases.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/1.19/mediawiki-1.19.19.patch.gz So I downloaded and applied this. gunzipped it, got this:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Outreach Program for Women/Round 9

2014-09-29 Thread Brian Wolff
On 9/29/14, Roxana Necula necula.roxan...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, My name is Roxana and I am an engineering student at the Polytechnic University of Bucharest, Romania. I would like to be part of MediaWiki open-source community and participate in the Outreach Program for Women round 9. The

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor and Anonymous Users (I know, we've had this discussion a million times)

2014-09-30 Thread Brian Wolff
On 9/30/14, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: Alright, this is a long email, and it acts to basically summarise all of the discussions that have already happened on this topic. I'll be posting a copy of it to Mediawiki.org as well so that it will be easier to find out about

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor and Anonymous Users (I know, we've had this discussion a million times)

2014-09-30 Thread Brian Wolff
We need to transition away from a framework where IP addresses are our only means to block problematic editors and towards a framework where we can do so via other less intrusive means. And use what instead? Identities based on proof of possession of a phone numbers? Surety bonds paid in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wrapping signatures with a span for discoverability

2014-09-30 Thread Brian Wolff
On 9/30/14, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: Some folks in #wikimedia-parsoid are still real excited about the idea though, so a couple more notes should people decide they like it anyway. :) * Consider either a wikitext wrapper like {{#sig:Username}} (my preference) or a markup tag

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor and Anonymous Users (I know, we've had this discussion a million times)

2014-10-01 Thread Brian Wolff
On Oct 1, 2014 10:55 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: This is something that has to be discussed *on the projects themselves*, not on mailing lists that have (comparatively) very low participation by active editors. Unless people want to trial on mw.org (assuming there is dev buy in, not

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor and Anonymous Users (I know, we've had this discussion a million times)

2014-10-01 Thread Brian Wolff
On Oct 1, 2014 11:40 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 1, 2014 10:55 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: This is something that has to be discussed *on the projects themselves

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor and Anonymous Users (I know, we've had this discussion a million times)

2014-10-01 Thread Brian Wolff
I wish it was a contrived problem. However, this is the conceit by which the edits are attributed for licensing purposes, and it's a non-trivial matter. While I'm fully supportive of finding another way to do this, it is a fundamental issue that would require fairly extensive legal

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor and Anonymous Users (I know, we've had this discussion a million times)

2014-10-01 Thread Brian Wolff
On Oct 1, 2014 3:56 PM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: Another idea for a potential technical solution, this one provided by the user Mirimir on the Tor mailing list. I thought this was actually a pretty good idea. Wikimedia could authenticate users with GnuPG keys. As

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Security and Maintenance Releases: 1.19.20, 1.22.12 and 1.23.5

2014-10-01 Thread Brian Wolff
On 10/1/14, Markus Glaser gla...@hallowelt.biz wrote: Hello everyone, I would like to announce the release of MediaWiki 1.19.20, 1.22.12 and 1.23.5. This is a security release. Download links are given at the end of this email. == Security == * (bug 70672) SECURITY: OutputPage: Remove

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor and Anonymous Users (I know, we've had this discussion a million times)

2014-10-02 Thread Brian Wolff
On 10/2/14, Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote: Derric Atzrott schreef op 2014/09/30 6:08: Hello everyone, [snip] There must be a way that we can allow users to work from Tor. [snip more] I think the first step is to work harder to block devices, not IP addresses. One

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor exit node rejects port 443 of WM, but it is disabled for editing

2014-10-02 Thread Brian Wolff
On 10/2/14, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Well you can also edit from port 80 (unless we deployed site-wide SSL without me knowing). Not to mention 198.35.26.96 and 2620:0:863:ed1a::1. --bawolff ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}

2014-10-07 Thread Brian Wolff
On Oct 7, 2014 10:03 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: Jon, Regarding editing specific templates, I'll echo Brion here. If a template is causing difficulties for your work and you feel like you know enough to fix it, then fix it! That's the wiki way. If you don't have the rights to

Re: [Wikitech-l] {{TemplatesThatWorkOnMobile}}

2014-10-07 Thread Brian Wolff
On Oct 7, 2014 10:03 PM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: Jon, Regarding editing specific templates, I'll echo Brion here. If a template is causing difficulties for your work and you feel like you know enough to fix it, then fix it! That's the wiki way. If you don't have the rights to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Announcement: Bartosz Dziewoński joins Wikimedia as a Features Contractor

2014-10-08 Thread Brian Wolff
On 10/7/14, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello all, It is my great pleasure to announce that Bartosz Dziewoński[0] has joined the Wikimedia Foundation as a contractor in Features Engineering. Bartosz has worked as a volunteer developer for several years, specialising in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tech- and Tools-related IEG proposals

2014-10-09 Thread Brian Wolff
On 10/10/14, Patrick Earley pear...@wikimedia.org wrote: *(cross-posted to wikimedia-l)* Hello all, For our second round of Individual Engagement Grant applications in 2014, we have a great crop of ideas. Wikimedians have dropped by to offer feedback, support, or expertise to some of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Introduction for OPW (Collaborative spelling dictionary building tool)

2014-10-12 Thread Brian Wolff
On Oct 12, 2014 6:54 AM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Ankita, On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Ankita Shukla ankitashukla...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone! I am Ankita Shukla and am a Computer Science and Engineering student pursuing the junior year of Bachelor of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Php files under the test directory

2014-10-12 Thread Brian Wolff
On Oct 12, 2014 10:13 AM, Divyanshi Kathuria divyanshikathu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 09:54:03PM +0200, dan entous wrote: this would be the best way to achieve what's needed. in any case, i believe this is the general idea antoine is getting at. Thank You so much for your

Re: [Wikitech-l] FOSS OPW Mentor Contact

2014-10-16 Thread Brian Wolff
On Oct 16, 2014 7:02 PM, E.C Okpo eco...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am working on my application for the FOSS Outreach Program, but I am having some trouble getting in contact with the mentor for my chose project - Ori Livneh https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Ori.livneh. I have idled on IRC

Re: [Wikitech-l] Phabricator for code review (defining the plan)

2014-10-19 Thread Brian Wolff
On Oct 19, 2014 11:52 AM, Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 10:44 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: And, even though it should go without saying, Bugzilla will need to remain online in a read-only format indefinitely post-migration. Why would this be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Looking for project status updates

2014-10-23 Thread Brian Wolff
Terry wrote a piratey blog post about his departure here: http://terrychay.com/article/fair-winds-and-godspeed-me-hearties.shtml Oh wow. If Terry is still reading this list, I want to take this opportunity to wish him best of luck in whatever he has planned next. --bawolff

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Technical Debt

2014-10-23 Thread Brian Wolff
Some more examples that might be useful in some form: - Global variable or function should never be used (This is probably the only really useful one, because removing global functions/variables would result in better testable code.) - PHP debug statements found In maintenance scripts and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Looking for project status updates

2014-10-23 Thread Brian Wolff
On 10/23/14, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: Pine, Do you read the monthly engineering reports? They're useful to give you a high-level insight into the engineering efforts going on at the Wikimedia Foundation. For example, the September report is currently being written here:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Requiring PHP = 5.3.3 for MediaWiki core

2014-10-23 Thread Brian Wolff
On 10/24/14, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: On 2014-10-23 7:55 PM, MZMcBride wrote: Are there statistics about what versions of PHP exist in the wild among MediaWiki users or users of other large PHP applications (Drupal, WordPress, etc.)?

Re: [Wikitech-l] How to add a new heading row in file history tables, server-side?

2014-10-26 Thread Brian Wolff
On 10/26/14, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote: There is the ImagePageFileHistoryLine https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/ImagePageFileHistoryLine hook already, but it is for data rows only. Any help appreciated. ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] thank vs. like

2014-10-26 Thread Brian Wolff
On 10/26/14, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote: Il 26/10/2014 20:45, Amir E. Aharoni ha scritto: In the Hebrew Wikipedia there's a discussion about the Thanks feature, which raises the following confusion among other things: Why does the person who is sending the thank-you gets a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Obsolete MediaWiki extensions

2014-10-27 Thread Brian Wolff
If the old maintainer is still around, ask them if they are ok with you taking over. ( just to avoid stepping on toes) If they cant be reached, ask at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/Project_ownership explaining why you want to take over maintinance of the extension. Helps if you have pre

Re: [Wikitech-l] Including security fixes in MediaWiki

2014-11-02 Thread Brian Wolff
On Nov 1, 2014 8:52 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@nichework.com wrote: After some discussion in September, Quim created T480 in Phabricator[1]. Markus polished up the Security Release section of the Release checklist[2] and we agreed to use it as the process for security releases from now on.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-07 Thread Brian Wolff
On 11/7/14, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on Tim. FancyCaptcha is worse than useless. Nemo ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l Literally an

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feature request.

2014-11-08 Thread Brian Wolff
Honestly i dont think anyone's even tried to improve the conflict screen. There's probably a lot of low hanging fruit on the usability of edit conflicts which could be persued that have nothing to do with the hard, real time editing solutions (as cool as those are). If someone is intrested in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-08 Thread Brian Wolff
For some more background, when we proposed something like that to Chris Steipp he was pretty iffy about it, and he's not wrong. At other sites that don't have a CAPTCHA on signup (like Facebook, Quora, others) they avoid a spam problem in part because they require an email address and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

2014-11-09 Thread Brian Wolff
On Nov 9, 2014 5:39 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 November 2014 09:27, aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious, Risker: if you don't mind my asking, what about being required to supply a throwaway email

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feature request.

2014-11-12 Thread Brian Wolff
On Nov 12, 2014 9:44 AM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 8 November 2014 22:01, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Honestly i dont think anyone's even tried to improve the conflict screen. There's probably a lot of low hanging fruit on the usability of edit conflicts

Re: [Wikitech-l] changing edit summaries

2014-11-13 Thread Brian Wolff
On Nov 13, 2014 11:43 AM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: Indeed - I am somewhat surprised by James's firm opposition. I tend to agree with James on this one in that if the edit summaries are to be modified then they need a revision history. Typos in edit summary are

Re: [Wikitech-l] changing edit summaries

2014-11-13 Thread Brian Wolff
On Nov 13, 2014 12:45 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I can see it being useful in two circumstances: 1) As part of the oversight right, in order to edit an edit summary without hiding the entire revision 2) A right of a user to edit their own edit summaries, if the edit summary is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Phabricator repository callsigns

2014-11-13 Thread Brian Wolff
On 11/13/14, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Please help me draft some guidelines for Phabricator repo callsigns. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Callsign_naming_conventions The subpage on naming our existing repos should be especially fun:

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Security and Maintenance Releases: 1.23.7, 1.22.14 and 1.19.22

2014-11-27 Thread Brian Wolff
On 11/26/14, Markus Glaser gla...@hallowelt.biz wrote: Hello everyone, I would like to announce the release of MediaWiki 1.23.7, 1.22.14 and 1.19.22. This is a regular security and maintenance release. Download links are given at the end of this email. == Security fixes == * (bugs 66776,

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.24.0 released

2014-11-28 Thread Brian Wolff
== Preferences made easier == MediaWiki is known to be extremely flexible and customisable, but few users use its full potential. In 1.24, we aim to make dozens obscure preferences easily discoverable and obvious to use. Umm, what does this mean? Were there code changes to make prefs more

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feature request.

2014-11-29 Thread Brian Wolff
​No. The Drafts extension (and any feature that puts hidden content on the servers) was veto'ed years ago by Legal. We need to stop beating this dead horse. J. Err, what? Quick don't tell legal about Special:UploadStash, or the userjs- options api. -- As a quick hack I made a little

Re: [Wikitech-l] Phabricator outage due to network issues, 11/29

2014-11-30 Thread Brian Wolff
Thanksgiving is only celebrated at this time in the US. Many of us dont celebrate it. That said downtime happens, and its a non-essential service during non working hours. Well it may be frustrating, its not the end of the world. If anyone is despretely looking for a bug to fix, they can ask on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Phabricator outage due to network issues, 11/29

2014-11-30 Thread Brian Wolff
On Nov 30, 2014 2:07 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, The argument about non-working hours is problematic. When the only thing that counts are the working hours of staff in the USA you may be right. As it is, WIkimedia Germany has staff working at other times and they

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community Suggestions Regarding the Project

2014-12-02 Thread Brian Wolff
On 12/2/14, Ankita Shukla ankitashukla...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I am an OPW Intern for round#09 and will be working on a spelling dictionary project, the proposal of which is available here https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Ankitashukla/Proposal. Also, we'd be using this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia tool framework (php)

2014-12-08 Thread Brian Wolff
On Dec 8, 2014 5:10 PM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: In my view, if a Labs tool is a success, it should be written as a wiki Extension and deployed to relevant wikis. What you're saying essentially means that there is a need to make the wiki truly extensible without much pain. Thats

Re: [Wikitech-l] A new extension of content tree about Wikipedia

2014-12-09 Thread Brian Wolff
On Dec 9, 2014 1:35 PM, Eallan h.yi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all! I am thinking about a new idea about a content tree extension of web/desktop/computer Wiki. When I use mobile phone to access website of Wikipedia, I can fold and unfold a content item of the content tree. That's very

Re: [Wikitech-l] Visibility of action in API for deleted log entries

2014-12-09 Thread Brian Wolff
There's actually a good bit of information that is available from the API that isn't in the web UI (or isn't very visible there). For example, history pages only display timestamps to the minute while the API gives resolution to the second. You can actually get up to the second resolution if

Re: [Wikitech-l] All non-api traffic is now served by HHVM

2014-12-09 Thread Brian Wolff
On 12/3/14, Giuseppe Lavagetto glavage...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, it's been quite a journey since we started working on HHVM, and last week (November 25th) HHVM was finally introduced to all users who didn't opt-in to the beta feature. Starting on monday, we started reinstalling all

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Security and Maintenance Releases: 1.24.1, 1.23.8, 1.22.15 and 1.19.23

2014-12-17 Thread Brian Wolff
== Security fixes in 1.24.1, 1.23.8, 1.22.15 and 1.19.23 == * (bug T76686) [SECURITY] thumb.php outputs wikitext message as raw HTML, which could lead to xss. Permission to edit MediaWiki namespace is required to exploit this. Really? That's stretching the definition of a security bug.

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Security and Maintenance Releases: 1.24.1, 1.23.8, 1.22.15 and 1.19.23

2014-12-18 Thread Brian Wolff
Not entirely. Unlike message copyright, the message used on thumb.php (badtitletext) is not a raw html message. It is meant to be parsed and displayed regularly. And always was. Except it was re-used for thumb.php, and forgotten to be parsed there. I won't go into details, but it's

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: No more Architecture Committee?

2015-01-22 Thread Brian Wolff
I would also suggest that an effort be made to find community members who are not WMF employees to participate in the ArchCom and then to have their voices heard during in quarterly planning. I dont know if this is practical. As Chad noted earlier, WMF hires the best and the brightest. Even

Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3

2015-02-07 Thread Brian Wolff
On Feb 7, 2015 3:57 PM, Thomas Mulhall thomasmulhall...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi should we upgrade GPL to version 3 since version 3 is more modern then version 2. Should it be updated in extensions, skins and MediaWiki. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] GPL upgrading to version 3

2015-02-08 Thread Brian Wolff
On Feb 8, 2015 8:17 AM, Tim Landscheidt t...@tim-landscheidt.de wrote: Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: One thing to point out is that: 1) Even right now, under the GPL, if extensions do qualify as “derivative works” or w/e, they do have to be GPL licensed. 2) Source code only has

Re: [Wikitech-l] Video Uploads to Commons

2015-02-03 Thread Brian Wolff
On Feb 3, 2015 8:43 PM, Nkansah Rexford seanmav...@gmail.com wrote: I couldn't find a tool to convert my videos from whatever format into .ogv outside my PC box before pushing to Commons. I guess there might exist something like that, but perhaps I can't find it. But I made one for myself.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Getting the full URL of an image

2015-01-20 Thread Brian Wolff
On 1/19/15, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, On my local wiki I have a page with the name File:Blue marker.png. The following code returns false: $title = Title::makeTitle( NS_FILE, $file ); $title-exists(); That used to return true in the past. Not sure what is broken -

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 2.0 (was: No more Architecture Committee?)

2015-01-20 Thread Brian Wolff
On Jan 20, 2015 4:22 PM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 20 January 2015 at 12:04, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: ​​ - ​Get rid of wikitext on the server-side. - HTML storage only. Remove MWParser from the codebase. All extensions that

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 2.0 (was: No more Architecture Committee?)

2015-01-20 Thread Brian Wolff
On Jan 20, 2015 5:53 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 20, 2015 4:22 PM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 20 January 2015 at 12:04, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: ​​ - ​Get rid of wikitext on the server-side. - HTML storage

Re: [Wikitech-l] Brion's role change within WMF

2015-01-20 Thread Brian Wolff
On Jan 20, 2015 12:34 PM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: Quick update: I've had a great experience working on our mobile apps, but it's time to get back to core MediaWiki and help clean my own house... now that we've got Mobile Apps fully staffed I'm leaving the mobile department

Re: [Wikitech-l] wfRunHooks deprecation

2015-01-21 Thread Brian Wolff
On Jan 21, 2015 1:40 PM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, Does the new syntax offer any advantage over the old one? Assuming that we want to switch to non-static function calls eventually (which I hope is the case), wouldn't it be friendlier towards extension maintainers

Re: [Wikitech-l] The future of shared hosting

2015-01-15 Thread Brian Wolff
On Jan 16, 2015 2:49 AM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Bryan Davis bd...@wikimedia.org wrote: One of the bigger questions I have about the potential shift to requiring services is the fate of shared hosting deployments of MediaWiki. What will

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: No more Architecture Committee?

2015-01-16 Thread Brian Wolff
On Jan 16, 2015 9:21 AM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@nichework.com wrote: Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org writes: The model I do think we should consider is Python 3. Python 3 did not jettison the Python 2 codebase. The intent behind the major version change was to open up a parallel

Re: [Wikitech-l] The future of shared hosting

2015-01-16 Thread Brian Wolff
On Jan 16, 2015 11:07 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@wikimedia.org wrote: However, with clear API architecture we could maybe have alternatives - i.e. be able to have the same service performed by a

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 2.0 (was: No more Architecture Committee?)

2015-01-17 Thread Brian Wolff
On Jan 16, 2015 1:05 PM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: [Moving threads for on-topic-ness.] On 16 January 2015 at 07:01, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone actually have anything they want that is difficult to do currently and requires a mass compat break

Re: [Wikitech-l] The future of shared hosting

2015-01-17 Thread Brian Wolff
On Jan 16, 2015 5:14 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: What you're forgetting is that WMF abandoned MediaWiki as an Open Source

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: No more Architecture Committee?

2015-01-22 Thread Brian Wolff
On Jan 22, 2015 6:43 PM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 22, 2015 2:08 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: I think that’s kind of insulting to those of us who don’t work at the WMF. Just because they hire the “best and the brightest” does not mean there are not people

Re: [Wikitech-l] need review and co-mentor volunteers for GSoC Accuracy review proposal

2015-02-12 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2/12/15, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: I invite review of this preliminary proposal for a Google Summer of Code project: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Accuracy_review If you would like to co-mentor this project, please sign up. I've been a GSoC mentor every year since 2010, and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Technical question about FQDN

2015-01-28 Thread Brian Wolff
On Jan 28, 2015 6:18 AM, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote: May someone help me? I have read the short documentation of variables like: $wgInternalServer $wgServer But I don't understand how combine them to get the Mediawiki accessible internally with a local IP AND externally

Re: [Wikitech-l] Stance on Social Media

2015-01-09 Thread Brian Wolff
On Jan 9, 2015 3:24 PM, Rob Moen rm...@wikimedia.org wrote: Currently our approach on social media is that Social media websites aren't useful for spreading news and reaching out to potential users and contributors. [1] I challenge this though. Is it really true? Twitter has 254 million

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Unsolicited digital currency donations

2015-01-09 Thread Brian Wolff
Your current balance is 0.11 XPM. Woo, a whole eighth of a cent (USD). Soon you'll be able to buy a little pseudo-brass token, then a private floating island! (Personally i think the tipping for commits is an interesting idea. Although tiping for bugs would seem better as those are concrete

Re: [Wikitech-l] New feature: tool edit

2015-02-14 Thread Brian Wolff
-- Every registered user would be able to flag edit as tool edit (bot needs special user group) Vandals would have fun with that, but bot group could be set up like that (e.g. flood group) -- The flag wouldn't be intended for use by robots, but regular users who used some automated tool in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Use of hreflang in the head

2015-02-09 Thread Brian Wolff
On Feb 9, 2015 7:07 AM, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: On 2015-02-09 2:16 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: This of course would add some additional payload to pages with lots of language links, but could help avoid results like [2] where the English language version of an article

Re: [Wikitech-l] need review and co-mentor volunteers for GSoC Accuracy review proposal

2015-02-13 Thread Brian Wolff
Furthermore, the initial limited subtask would be much more difficult to evaluate as a strategy without a working prototype, including by the Bot Approvals Group which demands working code before making a final decision on implementation. Trying to second guess the BAG is presumptuous. es

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-13 Thread Brian Wolff
On Feb 13, 2015 6:15 PM, Max Semenik maxsem.w...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for all the trolling, but why instead of discussing how we need a responsive skin for MediaWiki and waiting for Winter to come don't we just do it: * Move Minerva out of MobileFrontend * Leave all mobile-specific

Re: [Wikitech-l] What does it take to have a project hosted on the Wikimedia git server?

2015-03-13 Thread Brian Wolff
-03-13 13:54 GMT+02:00 Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com: See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/New_repositories Basically you just have to ask. I think its a nice thing to keep wiki related code, including bots in our git repos as that makes it easier for others to find. I am

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor proxy with blinded tokens

2015-03-10 Thread Brian Wolff
On Mar 10, 2015 10:21 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Chris. But if the account is obviously not a normal account, I'd suspect that this special kind of user account would quickly become very obvious to those who snoop and would actually increase the level of scrutiny on the

Re: [Wikitech-l] What does it take to have a project hosted on the Wikimedia git server?

2015-03-13 Thread Brian Wolff
On Mar 13, 2015 6:05 AM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The Romanian Wikipedia has a code repository used mainly for robots of interest to the local community. So far, it has been hosted on Google Code. Since that site is closing, we are considering replacements and one of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Org changes in WMF's Platform Engineering group

2015-03-25 Thread Brian Wolff
On Mar 25, 2015 1:18 PM, Gilles Dubuc gil...@wikimedia.org wrote: Does this mean there will no longer be a multimedia team/nobody responsible or working on what the multimedia team was working on previously? We'll keep supporting the extensions that multimedia used to cover, in terms

Re: [Wikitech-l] Extension:Gather launching on beta for English WP mobile users.

2015-03-26 Thread Brian Wolff
there. The infrastructure required is all in Gather. [1] https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Support_ for_user-specific_page_lists_in_core On 26 Mar 2015 7:20 am, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 26, 2015 11:04 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [Wikitech-l] Transfering domain cswp.cz to WMF

2015-03-03 Thread Brian Wolff
On Feb 28, 2015 10:21 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think Wikimedia is currently looking at maintaining a url shortening service. However, a redirect domain (distinguished by whether or not the target url can be trivially derived from the request url) seems much more

Re: [Wikitech-l] post project funding

2015-02-22 Thread Brian Wolff
Couple quick clarifications: 1. There have been many IEGs that focus on tool development, including those from the most recent round https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG#ieg-engaging. There's no tradition of denying software projects: they're quite well represented among completed

Re: [Wikitech-l] Possible parser test breakage in cases using gallery

2015-02-26 Thread Brian Wolff
On Feb 26, 2015 2:03 PM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org wrote: The gallery tag generation has been updated to include srcset attributes for high-density displays: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64709 An unfortunate consequence is that if extensions have parser test cases including a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Types of allowed projects for grant funding (renamed)

2015-02-21 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2/21/15, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: (Now continuing this discussion on Wikimedia-l also, since we are discussing grant policies.) For what it's worth, I repeatedly advocated for allowing IEG to support a broader range of tech projects when I was on IEGCom. I had the impression that

Re: [Wikitech-l] post project funding

2015-02-21 Thread Brian Wolff
On 2/21/15, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: In general WMF has a conservative grant policy (with the exception of IEG, grant funding seems to be getting more conservative every year, and some mission-aligned projects can't get funding because they don't fit into the current molds of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Extension:Gather launching on beta for English WP mobile users.

2015-03-26 Thread Brian Wolff
On Mar 26, 2015 9:58 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi. Moushira Elamrawy wrote: The Extension will keep the name Gather and internally the team was more inclined to name the feature Stacks. However, a survey study has been carried out by the design research team and Collections,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Monthly MediaWiki releases

2015-03-26 Thread Brian Wolff
On Mar 26, 2015 5:47 PM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: quote name=Thomas Mulhall date=2015-03-26 time=20:30:30 + Hi it has been 3-4 months since the last mediawiki releases when will they have a new release since it has been a long time. Sorry about the delay; the Wikimedia

Re: [Wikitech-l] Org changes in WMF's Platform Engineering group

2015-03-25 Thread Brian Wolff
On Mar 24, 2015 10:45 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi folks, First things first: I'm not burying the lede in this email, so if you aren't interested in the inner workings of WMF's Platform Engineering team, feel free to ignore the rest of this. :-) We're making a few

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