Re: [WISPA] Ridiculously OT, but relevant question...

and a certain type of candy bar in the pool! -- Original Message -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:47:04 -0400 Reminds me of Bill Murray in Caddy Shack! -RickG On Tue, Mar 17,

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

I disagree with that Richey. You can filter out all but email traffic and your customers can still have that. It will be slower, but many customers can't LIVE without email. Regards, Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

You should engineer your network to take advantage of BGP instead of being afraid of it. BGP will bring you closer to more parts of the Internet and will protect you from routing problems on the net. oh, and make sure the two lines you get are completely diverse. - Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL

They have no place to complain on this because they'll be using ATT's wireless network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:41 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

Hi Mike, I can't agree more! Circuit diversity is really difficult in some remote areas though. Many times, bringing redundant circuits in via licensed links is the ONLY way to get true diversity. Regards, Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

Good thing we're wireless operators. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:44 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

Where you at Chadd? May be some of us on here could help you out a little bit. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

I'm going back through my contacts for you. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chadd Thompson chad...@msn.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

That's still a pretty hard thing for a small provider to swallow when they are starting out. Richey -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:44 AM To: 'WISPA General List'

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

I only call the telco once on billing problems now. If that doesn't fix it I call the PUC. Actually, I've not even had to do that in years either. I just tell the telco that I'm going to call the PUC right after I get off the phone. They know I'll do it. grin marlon - Original Message

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

Understood, but there's guys out there that have been running for years with hundreds of clients that aren't multihomed. It is difficult for someone with 20 customers to multihome, yes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

[WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax

Re: [WISPA] Ridiculously OT, but relevant question...

Ag or farm suppliers also carry rolls of mylar ribbon, very cheap. It's silver reflective on one side and usually red on the other. Like the CD idea recently posted, it flops in the wind and reflects sunlight. It's so effective that the reflections can be seen from quite a distance (1/2

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

They're close to 1/2 that now. Rk On 3/17/2009 8:22 PM, Chadd Thompson wrote: Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial DS3. 10mb: $4300 20mb: $4788 30mb: $5300 WISPA Wants

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

On 3/17/2009 8:49 PM, RickG wrote: Of course, they'll bill you 10 times that and never fix their billing issues! -RickG This is also true! Rk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

On 3/18/2009 7:13 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I only call the telco once on billing problems now. If that doesn't fix it I call the PUC. I concur. That REALLY gets their attention. I did it with my LEC some years back when Frontier was still Citizens. Now I call them Frontizens. Once I

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

I will have to give our account rep a call then. This pricing was from Jan of this year. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Rick Kunze Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

Depends on the loop. My CO is a tandem and there are at least 6 different carriers there (Qwest, ATT, MCI, Sprint, Lightcore, and Norlight first come to mind), but I'm still $5k - $7k for a DS3 with a 0 mile loop. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] Ridiculously OT, but relevant question...

Kunze? I haven't heard from you in quite some time. How's it going out there? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:50 AM To:

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

Agreed I love threads like these touting deals too good to be true. Many times they are. Three things matter when pricing bandwidth: (1) Location (2) Location (3) Location I'd gladly pay $5300 for 30MB in many, many parts of the country! Best, Brad -Original Message-

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

Peter Matt, some one's knocking -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:22 AM To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Depends on the

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

There's not much that can be done from here. I just buy from other WISPs. Working on fiber again. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18,

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

Wow, that close to Chicago area and you don't get better than that for 0 mile. I do better than that with a 90mile loop over fiber!! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:22

[WISPA] trango SU's

I'm in the market for 5.8 Trango SU's. Contact me off list if you have any to sell. Thanks! -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

I put up some Ubiquiti based gear, one of the radios died about 1hr into carrying traffic. UBNT shipped me new ones to try overnight. I'll update. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Motorola

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

wow. i can get that for way under 2k... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

Some are in areas that will never support that much overhead. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Richey myli...@battleop.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

Ubiquity as in x3 cards or as in NS3 units? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent:

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

Wow. I have 200 UBNT radios out there and not a single failure, not even to lightning. These are 2.4, but still. I sure do like them. rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I put up some Ubiquiti based gear, one of the radios died about 1hr into carrying traffic. UBNT shipped me new ones to

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

Yes, but the UBNT 3.65 radios are crap. Everyone we tried was worthless. On the other hand, every Redline 3.65 radio whether RedMax or AN80 has worked perfect. -Matt On Mar 18, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Wow. I have 200 UBNT radios out there and not a single failure, not

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

What ubnt radios? Afaik ns3 are not FCC approved ... Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent:

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

Besides right now unless something changed the NS3 are special order item requiring 1k unit order. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:47:16 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

XR3's. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ubiquity as in x3 cards or as in

Re: [WISPA] Ridiculously OT, but relevant question...

On 3/18/2009 9:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Kunze? I haven't heard from you in quite some time. How's it going out there? Doing fine thanks, since I dumped my office help. It's amazing how little there is to do when you take the bull by the horns. All I need now is a matching cape! I've

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

ATT's deal is based on the loops being under 25 miles. There's another price for 25 to 50 miles. I think it's also a 2xT minimum or something like that. I'm almost at capacity on my 4xT circuit. I have been trying to pull a tricky deal with them but so far it's not working. My territory is

[WISPA] NTIA Meeting

Is anyone able to watch the video, shows off air for me http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/video.html Thought it was supposed to start 12 minutes ago Scott Piehn

Re: [WISPA] NTIA Meeting

nevermind, apparently someone doesn't know how to convert time zones. Called the telleconferance and found it starts at 6 PM MST not 5 PM MST Scott - Original Message - From: Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:13 PM

Re: [WISPA] NTIA Meeting

The PDF shows 4 PM Mountain time which is 3 PM Pacific time. So now it's been changed to 6 PM Mountain (5 PM Pacific)? Scott Piehn wrote: nevermind, apparently someone doesn't know how to convert time zones. Called the telleconferance and found it starts at 6 PM MST not 5 PM MST Scott

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

We have a sector feeding 3 other towers that has been rock solid for 59 days now. Using a 10mhz channel, delivering 11Mbps at 18 miles. Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: Yes, but the UBNT 3.65 radios are crap. Everyone we tried was worthless. On the other hand, every Redline 3.65

Re: [WISPA] NTIA Meeting

I'm getting music now and streaming test text so they are now "On the Air". Jack Unger wrote: The PDF shows 4 PM Mountain time which is 3 PM Pacific time. So now it's been changed to 6 PM Mountain (5 PM Pacific)? Scott Piehn wrote: nevermind, apparently someone doesn't know how

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

My replacements arrived today.The email that preceeded them said they were optimized for my setup. No clue what that means. I'll get them back up ASAP. Mark insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To:

Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL

I thought the point of the story is BPL? -RickG On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: They have no place to complain on this because they'll be using ATT's wireless network. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

[WISPA] Alvarion Breezeaccess 900

Anyone interested in a bunch of Alvarion BreezeAccess 900 units? Contact me off list. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

[WISPA] Alvarion Breezeaccess 900

Anyone interested in a bunch of Alvarion BreezeAccess 900 units? Contact me off list. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL

I didn't see anything about BPL in it. I got the point was that they were putting ATT cell modems in the electric meters. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent:

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To:

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon

[WISPA] Fw: A must watch

OK, it's not Firday. But this is just too funny. I had tears in my eyes by the time it was done! marlon Listen To The Guy In The Middle When He Laughs THIS IS ONE YOU HAVE TO WATCH, I AM STILL LAUGHING!! I DARE YOU NOT TO LAUGH ALONG. TOO FUNNY. DON'T FORGET TO PEE FIRST -YOU CANNOT

Re: [WISPA] Fw: A must watch

This one always makes me laugh =) About a year or two ago a lot of videos with that kind of laugh came out. Less people breath in when they laugh, causing that comical sound! Friday is never close enough, is it? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337

Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL

I didnt read the whole article as you gotta register to do so. I just took the subject verbatim. So whats it got to do with BPL then? -RickG 2009/3/18 Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net I didn't see anything about BPL in it. I got the point was that they were putting ATT cell modems in the

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

Thanks Leon, Do you have a contact person? Also, what ranges and speeds are people seeing with 3650? Anyone worried about self inflicted interneference? There is only 50mhz of spectrum right? marlon - Original Message - From: Leon Zetekoff wa4...@arrl.net To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

I'm certainly interested in ptmp. The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? marlon - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Ligowave its

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

How much is the tranzeo stuff going for? AP and CPE? Gino Villarini wrote: Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message-

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

The APs are around $1600-1700 and CPEs are in the $250-300 ballpark. The AP will handle 30 subs and they have a BAM/PRIZIM type server you can use to provision SMs or you can do it the old way.Their thought is once you hit 90 users with 3 sectors you will probably be ready to upgrade to a

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

Not at all... Tranzeo does put together the Aperto CPE's, but the guts are proprietary to Aperto. Tranzeo's CPE's has Tranzeo guts. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf

[WISPA] ntia meeting wed night

Good grief, aren't ANY of them going to actually answer the questions What a mess. None of them were asked what cool thing they've done with broadband. sigh marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] ntia meeting wed night

this is amazingly worthless. This is just a big ad for what Reservations are doing and how tough things are for them Scott - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18,

Re: [WISPA] ntia meeting wed night

Yeah. I sure feel for the government guys. This is like talking to first graders. marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ntia meeting wed night this is

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

Unfortunately, the requirements are based on what they think a routing slot in the BGP table costs, and they want to keep that manageable. There has been discussion on the ARIN list about reducing the requirement to a /24 for PI space both single and multi homed. The thought being that there

Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

I would tell you to ask the ISP in San Jose about ATT's billing practices, but they are no longer in business. It seems that 1 day they got a bill for some stupid amount of outbound minutes for their *inbound only* T-1's and were given hours to pay or they would be shut off. They weren't able

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

That's why Wi-MAX is a non-starter. Other vendors will have non-WiMax 3650 gear out shortly. I wait ever so anxiously. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com

Re: [WISPA] Fw: A must watch

I wasn't sure any day was Firday. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:53 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] ATT to work with power companys to expand BPL

I just click the link and get a 2 page article. If anyone else can't read it, I'll offlist it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:12 PM

Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?

No one is certified for more than 25 MHz at this time. Sync solves self interference. I've seen pictures of your POPs... I know there's a lot of rocks out there, but do you have to hide under them all? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com