* Marlon K. Schafer wrote, On 3/18/2009 10:32 PM:
Thanks Leon,
You;re welcome Marlon...
Do you have a contact person?
Harold Bledsoe he's a WISPA member vendor.
Also, what ranges and speeds are people seeing with 3650?
I don;t know as I'm not with Bluemont anymore and we/I were
We put a full size plastic owl on a 50 ft tower just above the antenna
that had many mockingbirds perching on a yagi, and the went away. Not
sure about woodpeckers. Are they perching or pecking?
Thanks, Dave Hulsebus
Portative Technologies, LLC
www.portative.com
rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
In our State our Governor has stated that they are going to work with the
power companies and provided grant moneys to bring BPL to rural areas. Just
reading between the lines.
Victoria
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of
Marlon,
I watched the tranzeo wimax 3.65 webinar a few weeks back. They have
that pico base station for about $1700. I asked, and they said yes, it
would work with an omni. I know everybody says don't use an omni, but
maybe it would be OK on 3.65?
I was curious because most of my grain
Thanks!
marlon
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From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Marlon,
I watched the tranzeo wimax 3.65 webinar a few weeks back. They have
that pico
Marlon I checked the map, and like me, Odessa is within the 150km
satellite exclusion zone for the station located in Brewster. From what
I've read you need to get their permission to operate anything in the
3.65GHz spectrum. I just applied for our 3.65GHz licnse so I haven't
heard anything
Got an application where I need an aerial run from an AP on a light pole to
a building - about 50ft or so. I've seen the aerial Cat5 with a messenger
cable (is that the right terminology??) connected to it somewhere a year or
so ago, but can't find it again. Anyone know if this is available?
It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base station,
that only supports 30 subscribers.
-
Jeff
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM
To:
Biggest problem with using a 3 sector configuration on tranzeo is they have
no snyc, and because
You only have 25mhz to play with, you end up seeing RF issues due to needing
at least 14mhz
Of seperation without snyc.
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Jeff
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
In a pinch, I've actually used a separate piece of Cat-5 as the support
wire, with the data wire loosely tie-wrapped to it. Then again, many of
the houses I install have so many holes in the walls I don't need to
drill one for the entry point. g
Rk
On 3/19/2009 9:19 AM, Jason Hensley wrote:
More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a WiMAX
AP anyway... not enough bandwidth.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm
Sent: Thursday,
Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel
Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday,
Is there a more expensive way to bring in broadband than BPL? Perhaps
they would consider FTTH out in the middle of nowhere instead... That might
cost more, be more in line... sheesh...
I'm sorry, but I have become so completely disgusted, it's getting difficult
for me to even relate to any
Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however.
In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having enough
bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and
in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 megabit.
We are seeing around $500 ARPU and on average 6 customers deployed
per 7Mhz channel with our RedMax basestations. I see no reason to
complain.
-Matt
On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however.
In one thread in one list
I can get 12 to 18 mbit off my 5 ghz AP's, and with customers limited to
2Mbit, I'm still bumping into limits in the 30 - 45 range per AP, and even
then, I consider it oversubscribed.
Now, 18mbit throughput in 7 mhz is great... But how good does the signal
have to be, and when the signals
You're not going to get that in the residential market, which is where most
of us compete.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:39 PM
To:
Maybe the equipment isn't the problem then.
-Matt
On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
You're not going to get that in the residential market, which is
where most
of us compete.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
my average per customer is around $33/mo
insert witty tagline here
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From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
How do you do that, Patrick?
Seriously, 18 mbit is 18 mbit.
It isn't magically 36 because it has the word 'wimax' attached to it.
Now, we do understand the technical improvements from better MAC's, but that
has mostly translated to narrower channels, not more throughput.
Even if you do FIBER,
Take a look at SkyPilot gear, it seems to have all the advantages of
Wimax, plus some benefits.
28 W PTMP in the 5+ Ghz bands, TDD, low cost cpe's. Only thing it really
lacks, and is also a downfall of Wimax is the radio as a Demarc
(Routing/Nat/PPPoE).
Regards
Michael Baird
Good
That's nuts Mike. I know numerous examples where the numbers are very
high. Simply depends on what you are selling, like it always has. In
general though, it is probably a fair point to say that how ever many
customers you can get on a WISP model for a given capacity, double the
number of
My understanding is, it's a little more complex than that. With wimax
prioritization and scheduling, the customer experience is similar to
what they'd get at 2 or 3 times the normal bandwidth. In other words,
the customer experience, given a 3 Mbps by 2 Mbps connection on wimax
gives
On Mar 19, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Chuck Bartosch wrote:
However, that (obviously) means it's not particularly viable in many
situations where you don't see enough customers to support a wimax
base station. But because 3.65 with diversity is supposed to deliver
NLOS performance similar to or
So in the world of Netflix, ABC, FOX, NBC, etc. using multiple megabits of
bandwidth for hours at a time (often at the same time of other users), tell
me how well that's going to work?
QoS and fanciness means nothing if you're trying to stuff 30 megs in an 18
meg pipe.
-
Mike Hammett
I am happy for you in your business, that's why I try to connect you with
other WISPs as often as I can.
However, I started my company because I didn't have broadband at my house.
My neighbor didn't have broadband. I sure as hell wasn't going to pay
$500/month for it.
WiMAX certainly has its
H,
I know a user in the Caribbean that has a couple hundred users on a 5MHz
wide channel that 'only' supports 12 Mbs TDD. Works great for his modeled
plans with voip and smaller data plans best effort.
But heck if I put one user on a 6x6 Mb plan and they suck it all up then I
would only put
Yes that is the correct terminology.
I have not looked for that recently. In the several instances we have
needed that, I have purchased steel aircraft cable and strung it as
the messenger. Then we have loosely spiraled the cat5 around that. No
worry about tape coming loose or wire ties
Mike,
Many Wimax manufacturers have many operators who have more than 100 subs per
AP. Our solution supports up to 30k pps, so it can most defintely scale to
this level.
The Wimax mac was designed for this, bandwidth aside.
-
Jeff
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From:
Mike,
It absolutely has nothing to do with throughput. It has to do with the
scheduling mechanism of the MAC. The reason why 802.11x networks cant scale
like this is the listen before talk protocol. Even basic polling doesn't
work because the more subs you add, the more latency you add to the
Many of us can't get away with that. We have to make sure that there's
actually bandwidth, not a fancy, 'managed' version of severe
oversubscription.
insert witty tagline here
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From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm
To: 'WISPA
Sheesh. How many times must this misinformation be posted before the snake
oil gets poured down the drain?
The better MAC allows you to use a very high percentage of transmission time
for actual data throughput, and it manages spreading bandwidth nicely among
the oversubscribed. HOWEVER...
Mike,
There is nothing fancy about a switched MAC vs a polled or listen before
talk mac. That has very little to do with QOS as much is does with utlizing
the pipe appropriately. In a polled system the latency increases with the #
of subscriber stations, same with a listen before talk.In a wimax
Mike,
This once again is not an apples to apples argument but rather apples to
rutabega. Still fruit, but very different fruit :)
Correct the per AP bandwidth would be higher. However, try loading an
802.11x system with 100 subscribers. It will choke and the end user
experience will be very bad.
http://www.hyperline.com/catalog/cable/ftp4_s_sw_out.shtml
Scott Reed wrote:
Yes that is the correct terminology.
I have not looked for that recently. In the several instances we have
needed that, I have purchased steel aircraft cable and strung it as
the messenger. Then we have loosely
I got carried away searching for cables I also found this, it says in stock:
http://www.americantechsupply.com/chromatic_out.html
Part Number-ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT- (SPEC SHEET) Aerial- UV Rated CAT 5e With
Messenger- $ 169.00/1000 Feet We Also Carry OUTDOOR RATED PATCH CORDS!
ATSK5E-1KSTP-CMXT-
No worries.
Only about half of my network is in the zone
thanks,
marlon
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From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Marlon I checked the map,
OK, tell me about yours.
I'll need 20 to 40 users per tower. Many will likely have even fewer.
In a FEW towns I might need up to 100 users but it'll be years before we hit
that point.
marlon
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From: Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm
To: 'WISPA General List'
ONLY
18 megs of RELIABLE service would be awesome out here where some of my
customers can't even get a meg due to all of the interference I have to deal
with.
marlon
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From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent:
WOW! You realize you can use the messenger as a ground right? I have
been looking for this stuff for a while.
ryan
D. Ryan Spott
rsp...@cspott.com
On Mar 19, 2009, at 6:25 PM, George Rogato wrote:
I got carried away searching for cables I also found this, it says
in stock:
wow...this is first time I have seen anything like this.
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:25 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote:
I got carried away searching for cables I also found this, it says in
stock:
http://www.americantechsupply.com/chromatic_out.html
Part
Also note that you should buy a strand vise for each end of the messenger cable
for mounting to an eye hook or something similar
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-Original Message-
From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:58:05
To: WISPA General
I think you may be missing a couple of variables in the multivariable
equation that determines the actual throughput a client can achieve in
a given time slice. When comparing access systems one must understand
the differences between the capabilities provided by the systems and
their
Does anyone have any experience with a Bird 43 wattmeter at 2.4ghz? I have
the bird 43 and am considering buying the 1 watt slug for it. This thing is
going to measure the average power instead of the peak power. Should the
Bird 43P (peak and avg) wattmeter be better suited for this application
Problem with wifi stuff is it doesn't transmit if it don't have anything to
say.
So average measurement isn't that great since it will be based on you traffic
how high the average is.
You will be more interested in your peak since at least most wifi are
predictable and the peak is what it
Jeff Booher wrote:
Mike,
This once again is not an apples to apples argument but rather apples to
rutabega. Still fruit, but very different fruit :)
I thought a rutabega was a vegitable.
WISPA Wants
How about if I did a bandwidth test while measuring the power. The meter is
analog and the needle doesn't move that fast so if its constantly TX/RX'ing
I'm thinking it should stay pretty flat.
Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
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When my son was 6 he would not eat pork chops simply because he never had
tried them. He is 15 now and absolutely loves pork chops, grilled ribs etc.
It did take him till he was 13 before he tried them. I am a firm believer
you can't make kids eat anything they don't want to eat.
Mike, Have you
I have not because no one has convinced me that 15 customers can watch
online video at the same time.
Over 20% of my subscriber base watches online video from NetFlix,
Blockbuster, ABC, NBC, etc. Why would I spend $5k+ on an AP that would
serve them less than my $250 AP does now?
I sure
Hey reader you are muddying the waters a bit here.
I thought the days were over when people thought they could put up one base
station and serve a 1000 square miles or worse put up one base station and
server a 1000 customers.
I have a customer in Canada that serves 12 Mb out to 45 kilometers
Who says I'm happy with the status quo of 1.5 or even 6 meg?
BTW: muddyfrogwater != Me
Yes, WiMAX is technically better than WiFi, but who says I'm talking about
WiFi?
If there was a non-crippled WiMAX AP that supported reasonable amounts of
bandwidth (40 at a minimum - say with a 20 MHz
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