Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Mesh Network

2009-06-19 Thread L. Aaron Kaplan
As far as I am informed, the Athens wireless folks use a custom built OLSR package for Microtik. I think I could put that onto the www.olsr.org page FYI: OLSR.org is proven to scale to at least 1000 nodes. We currently estimate a few thousand nodes is possible with linksys 200MHz

[WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Jeremy Parr
I've never delved into this arena before, so I need a bit of guidance. What is the hot card for putting in a StarOS/Mikrotik based access point? Should I just get the low power unit off of Routerboard.com? I plan to run towertop amps, so a low power card would be sufficient.

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Josh Luthman
I like Ubnt cards - the xr2 and xr5. I think it is a bit more then the compex cards but well worth it. On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: I've never delved into this arena before, so I need a bit of guidance. What is the hot card for putting in a StarOS/Mikrotik based access

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Scott Carullo
My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal power. You can get what you need out of the minipci card. You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get them quickly

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Jeremy Parr
2009/6/19 Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal power. You can get what you need out of the minipci card. You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you should have plenty of options, best

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Uh, I hate to burst your bubble but the tower top amps WILL take a hit no better than a SBC mounted up-top. The only way around it is to run 5/8 heliax up the tower and put an XR2 radio at the bottom behind a polyphaser. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier? I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna outside way up there! On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com My first advice is ditch

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Bubble bursted, nevermind. On 6/19/09, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier? I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna outside way up there! On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Burst and busted at the same time that is :) Need Dew... On 6/19/09, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Bubble bursted, nevermind. On 6/19/09, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier? I would love

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Jeremy Parr
2009/6/19 Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com: Uh, I hate to burst your bubble but the tower top amps WILL take a hit no better than a SBC mounted up-top. The only way around it is to run 5/8 heliax up the tower and put an XR2 radio at the bottom behind a polyphaser. Yes, I'm aware, and I've

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread David E. Smith
Scott Carullo wrote: My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal power. You can get what you need out of the minipci card. This! In the past few months, we've replaced a couple towers with Mikrotik hardware and software. A few of our towers were amped - I'd turn

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put a 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having the radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the

[WISPA] Google Voice

2009-06-19 Thread George Rogato
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html?source=NWWNLE_nlt_daily_am_2009-06-19 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread RickG
Does the XR2/5 work in a WRAP or WAR or both? -RickG On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I like Ubnt cards - the xr2 and xr5. I think it is a bit more then the compex cards but well worth it. On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Google Voice

2009-06-19 Thread David E. Smith
George Rogato wrote: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061809-google-voice.html Between this (Google acquiring a million phone numbers), and their announcement a few days ago about their plans to support number portability, it's almost like Google wants to be a phone company too.

[WISPA] Economic impact of broadband

2009-06-19 Thread Mike Hammett
Can anyone direct me to documentation on the economic impact of broadband services? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Google Voice

2009-06-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Summary: Google is becoming a phone company. They just reserved a *million DIDs. *Google Voice has great features, idealing for ringing numbers you already have and its own voicemail. Google is taking over the technology market. Shortly followed by the economy. Then the world. * *Josh

[WISPA] Magic Jack

2009-06-19 Thread George Rogato
Who owns Magic Jack? Josh Luthman wrote: Summary: Google is becoming a phone company. They just reserved a *million DIDs. *Google Voice has great features, idealing for ringing numbers you already have and its own voicemail. Google is taking over the technology market. Shortly

Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

2009-06-19 Thread Josh Luthman
I played with it a while back. Very good stuff, just needs number portability and a little better support. I know someone who spent nearly two days to pay their bill... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the

Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

2009-06-19 Thread Martha Huizenga
Check out the video on their web site: http://www.magicjack.com/2/?mid=307001a=55959s= Looks like the inventor still owns it? Dan Borislow is also the founder of YMAX Communications Corporation, a modern phone company with the largest competitive local exchange carrier (CLEC) network in the

Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

2009-06-19 Thread Jeff Broadwick
There is some icky stuff in the EULA and apparently there is no way to remove it automatically...have to go to the registers to do it properly. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, June 19,

Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

2009-06-19 Thread George Rogato
Are they a publicly traded company? Martha Huizenga wrote: Check out the video on their web site: http://www.magicjack.com/2/?mid=307001a=55959s= Looks like the inventor still owns it? Dan Borislow is also the founder of YMAX Communications Corporation, a modern phone company with the

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Scott Reed
Do the link budgets including cable loss. XR cards are 600mW cards, so more output than the amps originally proposed. I have XR cards on the ground, 150' of LMR600 to antennae at the top and the links all work as predicted. I just can't see putting any kind of amp at the top when you can do it

Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

2009-06-19 Thread Martha Huizenga
I don't think so. Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community /* George Rogato wrote: Are they a publicly traded company? Martha Huizenga wrote: Check out the video on their web site:

Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

2009-06-19 Thread George Rogato
Surprisingly to me, it's kinda caught on so much so that quite a few of my subs use it. Lately I was toying with the thought of doing a Magic Jack bundle with my service. Of course I have my own voip offering through VOX and I'm not sure if it would take away from that or add to it. I wonder

Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

2009-06-19 Thread George Rogato
I quickly googled Magic Jack Corporate and didn't get any corporate info, so I was assuming it was a privately held product. No stock play there :( Martha Huizenga wrote: I don't think so. Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/

[WISPA] FCC's Warrentless Household Searches Alarm Experts

2009-06-19 Thread Mike Hammett
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/fcc-raid/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

2009-06-19 Thread Bret Clark
I was reading a business article about itseems that right now it's being sold as a lose leader and I believe the $19.95 is based only one year deal that could change to a monthly fee after that; emphasis on could, so far it hasn't. I think their ultimate goal is to hit critical mass then

Re: [WISPA] Google Voice

2009-06-19 Thread Dylan Oliver
Google voice is awesome. Can't wait to be able to port numbers over. I would be okay with such sheer awesomeness taking over the world. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Summary: Google is becoming a phone company. They just reserved a *million

[WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues

2009-06-19 Thread rabbtux rabbtux
All, I've used the excellent open source backup program, rsnapshot, for years with good results. I recently noticed that routeros supports sftp. I'd like to get snapshot backups of all our APs. Here's how it would work: Rsnapshot can run a few commands on each system before backing up the file

Re: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues

2009-06-19 Thread Brad Belton
I would be interested in this as well. Please share on-list! Thanks, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT backup

Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

2009-06-19 Thread os10rules
I googled the name, and also googled the name of the product with the word sucks to see what people who don't like the product say when a friend was interested in the product a few weeks back. Sounds like it's 2nd rate phone service and poor customer service, about what one would expect at

Re: [WISPA] Google Voice

2009-06-19 Thread Josh Luthman
No one entity should control the world, but let's not take this joke to politicville =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir

Re: [WISPA] FCC's Warrentless Household Searches Alarm Experts

2009-06-19 Thread Jack Unger
FROM THE FCC WEBSITE: About the FCC The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is an independent United States government agency. The FCC was established by the Communications Act of 1934 and is charged with regulating interstate and international communications by radio, television, wire,

Re: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues

2009-06-19 Thread Scott Reed
Normal ftp commands should work. MT is a little different in that files are not really in directories, they just look like it. I think if you do a delete with full path and full filename it will work. You could also write a script on the MT that does everything you want every night. Then

Re: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues

2009-06-19 Thread rabbtux rabbtux
Thanks Brad, I know all about the MT backup scripts to email, etc. The advantage to this system is that for a new system to work, I install an ssh key on the MT and one line on the backup server. This system also backs up all the hotspot and other files that are on the MT, email scripts do not.

Re: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues

2009-06-19 Thread Scott Reed
Script can backup everything on MT, so I am not sure what you mean by email scripts do not. Maybe the scripts you have don't, but they can. I create about 4 files on some of my routers and e-mail them to myself. I also have a unix expect script that goes and gets them, so you can do what

Re: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues

2009-06-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Ahhh I can't help it!!! http://tinyurl.com/ktnkug Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jun 19, 2009

Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

2009-06-19 Thread Chuck Profito
That's is what I remember from the list. Once it was in, a 'normal' subscriber couldn't get it out, and they, MJ, had a subscriber installed, and agreed to, OPEN Back Door to any computer it was installed on! We have a lot of subs with these, and I mention it to them, but they don't seem to get

Re: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues

2009-06-19 Thread rabbtux rabbtux
Thanks Scott. I was thinking of something to search out and delete files with certain extensions. Why not just keep overwriting the old files with the same name, Doh! I didn't want to collect a zillion files locally. Will start adding this to my snapshot system shortly... Josh, I was not

Re: [WISPA] FCC's Warrentless Household Searches Alarm Experts

2009-06-19 Thread Mike Hammett
oh, I wasn't complaining. I was showcasing people's ignorance. Perhaps I should have put in more than just a link. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Magic Jack

2009-06-19 Thread Mike Hammett
Largest CLEC network in the US? I doubt it. I seriously doubt it. Level 3? XO? Cavalier? One Communications? Paetec? etc.? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net

Re: [WISPA] Google Voice

2009-06-19 Thread Mike Hammett
There isn't much here you can't already do elsewhere. There are more sophisticated solutions out there... Davitas and uMobility. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato

Re: [WISPA] FCC's Warrentless Household Searches Alarm Experts

2009-06-19 Thread Jack Unger
Heck Mike, I knew that you knew...and you are right that many people just don't know what the FCC's role is. jack Mike Hammett wrote: oh, I wasn't complaining. I was showcasing people's ignorance. Perhaps I should have put in more than just a link. ;-) - Mike Hammett

Re: [WISPA] MT backup system, need script clues

2009-06-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Look at the mt wiki in the Google results. Some like Yabus On 6/19/09, rabbtux rabbtux rabb...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Scott. I was thinking of something to search out and delete files with certain extensions. Why not just keep overwriting the old files with the same name, Doh! I didn't

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread John Valenti
Jeremy, Since you mention StarOS, I have to ask: why not just use the Lucaya gear? If you skip the amps, the X2000 would let your climber take up a replacement radio and change two RF cables and one ethernet cable. (for two radios) Just curious why you seem to reject the StarOS

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8? Or 900? On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also. Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
The 5/8 heliax will work on any freq up to 6.1ghz is the cut-off. http://www.midland.ru/products/andrew/pdf/LDF45.pdf The loss on 2.4ghz is low enough that you can make up for it will the higher powered XR2 cards and the better receive sensitivity off the XR2 helps out also. The nice thing about

Re: [WISPA] FCC's Warrentless Household Searches Alarm Experts

2009-06-19 Thread Frank Crawford
I agree with Jack 100% and they can do it within bounds set forth in the US Constitution and Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Josh Luthman
Awesome! What about the XR5? Or any 5.8 card for that matter? We can all agree that this is the better option when you're the one out in the field, but what about financially? I see that this cable is $600 for 150 feet. At that price if doing it this way saves me from one lightning strike,

Re: [WISPA] FCC's Warrentless Household Searches Alarm Experts

2009-06-19 Thread Jack Unger
Frank, I especially like that last sentence of the 4th Amendment. The framers of the Constitution were absolutely brilliant when they realized they needed to add a final sentence to sum up the overall meaning in simple, everyday terms. O:-) jack Frank Crawford wrote: I agree with Jack

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Well I am using the 5/8 Heliax on some 5ghz PTP shots only. I have not done any PTMP stuff with it yet. The loss at 5ghz is about 4.5db/100ft. I know when I did the PTP shots before when I had the radio's mounted up top I was using 24db panels and once I switched to the HELIAX and the radio's at

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Mesh Network

2009-06-19 Thread Matt Jenkins
What equipment? Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote: Can do everything on this, but the cost. Looks like around $515 in single unit pricing. Shoot me a call if you have questions. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread lakeland
5/8 Heliax is the largest diameter you can use for 5.8 GHz. LDF4.5-50 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: David Hulsebus cont...@portative.net Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:18:39 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread Andrew Jones
Does anyone have an opinion on the mikrotik R5H cards, particularly compared to the ubiquiti cards? lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: 5/8 Heliax is the largest diameter you can use for 5.8 GHz. LDF4.5-50 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: David Hulsebus

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread eje
Don't run them without antenna connected. Very sensitive there. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:41:15 To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI

Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards

2009-06-19 Thread David Hulsebus
I meant elliptical or air cable, and don't think they manufacture the Air Heliax cable anymore. After they joined CommScope, they shrunk their product line quite a bit. I put two runs of the elliptical waveguide on a tower I own and for the cost wouldn't put it anywhere I didn't expect to be