Robert,
Being pro-active can be good when it's constructive. WISPA's position
needs to be developed through a discussion process otherwise it's just
the position of one person and may not be representative of the position
of a majority of WISPA members however it appears that Julius
It's too bad the two of you don't understand the power of social
networking and feel the need to bash the rest of us in our marketing
efforts.
This is why so many people leave these lists. Some of us are trying to
help each other and the rest are just making snide comments.
So sad.
Martha
Uh.. I do not recall making any snide comments or any comments
whatsoever against or for social networking. What I actually did was make a
JOKE about ANTI-SOCIAL networking.
Please explain my non-understanding of social networking and also how I have
bashed. I see no bashing being
I just read the fifth rule in the speech and I quote it below and the
remarks made by Mr. Genachowski:
Fifth Principle of Non-Discrimination
The fifth principle is one of non-discrimination -- stating that
broadband providers cannot discriminate against particular Internet
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Tom,
Your hypothetical about Comcast, etc... creating private networks is
unfounded and not likely to happen. In the end, it misses the point that
the Internet, from a consumer perspective, is NOT bandwidth and has very
little to do with the bits and bytes that you shuffle around your network.
Then don't run a business that is essential a utility.
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote:
I'm pretty safe with my opinion. Get the hell out of my business,
government.
BTW: Hulu is owned by ABC, NBC, Fox, and the tech company that came up
with
Err, I don't think this summary is accurate. The focus is on net neutrality
for applications, regardless of protocol. Considering how often the FCC has
referenced VOIP, including Skype (which does use P2P technology), in these
discussions, on and off the record, the FCC isn't looking just to
Mike,
To clarify what I meant here:
If you want to run a business without any government interference, that is
fine and understandable. But, considering that for the past century,
telecommunications and utilities have been some of the most heavily
regulated industries in the US (and around the
Robert,
I enjoy your humor while some may not understand it.
-RickG
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
Uh.. I do not recall making any snide comments or any comments
whatsoever against or for social networking. What I actually did was make a
something about salvia leaves. some sort of euphoric mind altering
substance.
--C
Robert West wrote:
I'm not looking. I will assume the site promotes super efficient heating
devices.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
I'll pass. I have enough mind altering substances called children and a
wife. Not euphoric by any means but one can't have everything.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Curtis Maurand
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009
We do not allow the running of servers in our TOS, so I guess we are safe with
torrents?
Scottie
-- Original Message --
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:47:30 -0400
Believe it or not, I used to do stand up in the Cleveland and Columbus areas
back in the 90's and then again about 5 years ago due to age allowing me to
forget how much it sucks. (I remembered quick enough during my rant on the
Bible Factory Outlet.. Half the room falling off their
If you've designed your network to any degree of sanity, that 1MB of traffic
transmitted over BitTorrent is the same as 1MB of traffic transmitted over
HTTP.
I disagree. The pps/connections that http traffic creates is NOTHING compared
to bittorrent! If you want to test it, put you up two AP's
The key words in the FCC quote is users, not applications.
They aren't restricting your ability to block or degrade IP address
162.21.25.200 because that IP address is generating spam or running up
terabytes of traffic a month when you only have a DSL backhaul.
They are trying to restrict your
I am planning to install a 5Ghz backhaul from my main tower to a
remote. It will have the antenna on the top, 150' of LMR-400 and the
radio at the bottom. To make up for the loss, I ordered a 500mw amp
from L-Com. Unfortunately, they cancelled the order saying I need a
HAM license to purchase it.
Absolutely true. With HTTP, someone hits a page and then it stops. They
sit reading the page. With the torrents, it's a constant stream and not
just down but up as well. If you were to go out running and not stop to
take a break, you'd be tired pretty quick. But run just a bit, sit for a
bit,
That was exactly my point. You're not bringing the T1 down to it's knees,
you're bringing the router down to its knees. The solution is a combination
of either getting better routers and/or NOT doing any operations on layer 4
or above.
If you are strictly switching / routing (and not natting,
So what I think you're saying, we should restrict the user based on a
predetermined usage limit then kick the throttling in for the entire
connection, not per app. This is okay. Then the users who hit it once in
awhile will never reach the bandwidth abuse level and would sail right on
through as
Exactly. And, it works better all around since you deliver an ideal
experience (including access to ALL internet applications) to your ideal
customers.
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
So what I think you're saying, we should restrict the user
Unlicensed freqs don't require a license however you can not legally add
an amplifier to a system (in this case, your 5 GHz backhaul) that was
not originally certified with the amplifier that you want to use.
Hams, who are licensed and who share some frequencies with unlicensed
operators do
It's back
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,552503,00.html?test=latestnews
I am just waiting for them to say bitcaps are a no no. When you think
about it with a bit cap you cannot really use the Internet to
completely replace the catv or dish service. Some consumers I am sure
are going
We measure and record each subscriber's usage (easy to do with Mikrotik
HotSpot functionality and RADIUS accounting data).
Our TOS has an Excessive Usage policy which defines excessive usage as
six times the average. Each month, our system calculates the average
and excessive and sends an e-mail
$1300 for 6 meg here.
Scottie
-- Original Message --
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:22:23 -0400
$1500 for 20 megs here. Nearly double your cost.
Josh Luthman
And adding a priority to certain traffic would still be acceptable since it
would only be in force if that traffic is being used, such as VOIP and video
and is there only to enhance and ensure the quality of that particular
traffic that the customer themselves chose to use. Yes?
-Original
$1500 for 20 megs here. Nearly double your cost.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009
sigh...I guess we need to re-visit the three factors that play into what
bandwidth will cost:
(1) Location
(2) Location
(3) Location
Any questions?
Best,
Brad
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent:
That's Time Warner fiber with 15 public IPs. I totally acknowledge how
lucky we are to have such a rate here. We are actually to have some cheaper
fiber coming into the area which I'll try to snag as a secondary access or
maybe even primary and dump the snail pace DSL. I will not gloat, I feel
You doing Time Warner as a provider as well?
We are in an old Adelphia area and they had to install an entire new network
which is probably why the cost is lower. That and we're on the edge of
Appalachia, they probably get some sort of incentive to provide cheaper in
this area.
Robert - I too am using TWC fiber. They let me get as many public IPs as I
want, though. Have you tried to called them up and filled out their public
IP form for more?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have eliminated the
Yup. We pay almost 800 bucks for 20/20 meg. To not do any shaping we would
Thats cheap compared to what we pay! You are paying about $40 a meg.
Is that tier1 bandwidth? We are paying about $100 meg for tier1.
Matt
have to charge way more than anyone will pay. Take the 800 bucks split by
Okay. Who are these IT experts? I'll offer them a deal. They provide my
bandwidth and I'll be generous and pay them a nice percentage over their
price for that virtually nothing cost access.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Tier 1 is fairly meaningless. In many cases, tier 2 bandwidth is better
quality than tier 1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network though I'm not sure how current
that is.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Indeed. Where I am, T1s are $500 and T3s are $7k. I move 60 miles and I
can get 100 megs at $4.50/meg on a month to month contract, and there could
be lower.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From:
Big thank you to L-com.
Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also
hurt your noise floor by amplifying interference/noise as well.
If you are concerened about unreliability of having electronics atop the
tower with regard to a POE radio solution, an amp is
Ah! Now that's cool! They charge me $15.00 for more IP's but will go to 10
bucks if I buy a block of 50. I don't because for one, I'm cheap and
another is because I'm cheap. As in, we don't charge that much. If someone
wants one we'll just pass the cost on to them. I have a hotel I take care
Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart -
WISPTechhttp://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must
You can hit St. Mary's? How can you hit the Best Value Inn there? It's
across the street from the Ford dealership.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable,
WOW! L-Com++!
Usually you hear lots of banter on these sites about so and so vendor
is selling big time illegal stuff but this time.. I guess not!
Starting to feel like the local feed store not selling grandma the
industrial pesticide because it is just not legal or sane!
I like this, maybe I
Agreed, we use this fact as a selling point against the large LECs. ATT is
great, but they can break too. If that's all you got then you're down for
the count.
In comparison we (and many other smaller players like us) aggregate multiple
Tier1 carriers so that our customers realize those
I've only lost one amp over the years as opposed to many issues with
equipment at the top.
-RickG
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:48 AM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote:
Big thank you to L-com.
Use a POE based backhaul product to avoid cable loss. The amp will also
hurt your noise floor by
So, you cant legally make up for cable loss with an amp? -RickG
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote:
Unlicensed freqs don't require a license however you can not legally add
an amplifier to a system (in this case, your 5 GHz backhaul) that was
not originally
Josh,
Thanks for the link to a beautiful chart but what does it have to do
with an amp?
-RickG
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Microwave Backhaul Comparison Chart -
WISPTechhttp://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
FCC friendly backhaul options as was suggested.
The alternative in case you're unable to use an amplifier.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the
Gotcha. Unfortunately, this tower only has a half dozen subs. The cost
of those options prohibit use in this scenario. Thanks again. -RickG
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
FCC friendly backhaul options as was suggested.
The alternative in case
20 Meg would cost me 5k.
Mark
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
$1500 for 20 megs here. Nearly double
What are you using to tabulate your accounting data?
Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David Sovereen
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:27 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re:
Long ago we used amps to overcome cable loss, before there was a good
choice for POE or IF based systems. Every single one of them either
failed or went flaky (YDI and other like units) I'm so distrustful of
them, I wouldnt even sell them on ebay.
When I have issues with the equipment at the
Rick,
Sounds like a Job for Ubnt or MT.
$200 from Ubnt and a pair of antennas and you're done.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
---
That is SO much easier to do than to try and block by app. If someone keeps
hitting the threshold, bump them to the next tier of service.
Jerry
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Clint Ricker
Sent: Tuesday, September 22,
We use IEA's Radius (www.iea-software.com). It reads/writes SQL, so
integrating it with Platypus is a breeze. Platypus selects the averages
and e-mails the notifications automatically each month. Then generates
the e-mail and opens a ticket automatically on the third month.
Dave
-Original
Ya, because this is an upgrade, I looked at this from the wrong direction.
So, do you think I can make up for a 150' cable with just a radio?
-RickG
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Rick,
Sounds like a Job for Ubnt or MT.
$200 from Ubnt and a
Only one site have I seen big coax up the tower.
Tsunami gear worked well on a 150' LMR400 but they had like 3 megs...
We tried putting the Radwinmux (Ceragon?) ODU at the base of the tower and
it was comparable but caused lock ups and loss of link a few times. Once
that was put by the antenna
No you can't unless the original equipment manufacturer designed an amp
as part of the original system and had their system certified with that
amp.
RickG wrote:
So, you cant legally make up for cable loss with an amp? -RickG
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com
That actually raises a good question - are there things out there that are
certified with an amp for a situation like Rick's?
I assume the Tsunami's were as they only exist as a rackmount option.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When
As we are on the subject of amplifiers. can anyone point me to
somewhere that could provide me with an amplifier for 10.758Ghz.
Thanks
Richard
WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/
Correct. Not unless the amp is certified with your radio system.
Chris
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] license for amplifier?
Does anybody know were I can find a TP-SW5--NC with 24v power supply in
stock? My procurement guy is having a hard time finding one...
--
Arnold Cavazos, Jr. abcjr at abcjr . net
WISPA Wants You!
This is a new product and should be available next week.
Regards,
Scott Parsons
Tycon Power Systems
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Arnold Cavazos Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:45 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
$1600 per 10M here
I'd kill for either of those deals!
Josh Luthman wrote:
$1500 for 20 megs here. Nearly double your cost.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
You will have: 16.23 db loss at the cable length minus connectors using
LMR 400
LMR 600 will give you a bit better at: 10.89 db
Perhaps use LMR 600 for a shot that big, otherwise, I would go PoE.
-Cameron
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
$40 a meg is ridiculously low.
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
$1600 per 10M here
I'd kill for either of those deals!
I found out that going from 10Mb to 50Mb was rather inexpensive. We
went from 1700 to $2080 including local loop. My other connection is
100Mb at $24/Mb, burstable to 300Mb at $15/Mb over 100 including local
loop. I was about 2 months late getting in on their promo of $8/Mb.
Regards,
Chuck
Cogent? I remember when they offered 1Gb/$3k and the ISPs jumped on it,
then they bumped it to $6k for 1Gb for ISPs. I thought they recently
went to $4/Mb with the We match any price. Although I didn't really
like them when we were doing the servers/datacenter thing years ago,
they have made
Scott
Whats the availability on the TP-DCDC series?
Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Parsons
Sent:
It's the same here. Starting at 20 meg but going up to 50 is just a little
more. No need for that right now on my end but it only takes a phone call
and it's on.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent:
As Blake said before, Location, location, location. I've heard of prices
below $1/meg on full GigE multi location deals. I can get $4.50/meg in
Chicago on a 100 meg pipe on a month-month contract. $4 if I go GigE+
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Can you send me some of that in a FedEx mailer? I'll pay the shipping!
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
Err, Brad, not Blake. Blake is the tower guy!
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
I found these WISP's outside of Death Valley:
http://www.air-internet.com
http://www.ezznet.com
http://www.mojavedevelopment.com/Isp.htm
The Panamint Springs Resort, just outside Death Valley has a Wifi network in
the campground and Motel fed by a Satellite connection.
With just a few
TP-DCDC are In stock and shipping.
Scott
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tycon TP-SW5--NC
Scott
Whats the
I posted a URL to it on the mailing list a while ago...it's on my dropbox.
On 9/22/09, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
Could someone please send me Motorola Canopy v7.3.6 DES firmware?
I got a site down only thing I got around is a older P9 non-advantage AP but
it is running 7.2.9
On it's way offlist.
-Kevin
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
Could someone please send me Motorola Canopy v7.3.6 DES firmware?
I got a site down only thing I got around is a older P9 non-advantage AP but
it is running 7.2.9 so can not set in the
Use POE vs LMR!
---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
?? Lets see a 433 with two radio cards would be a few hundred for a complete
repeater :)
---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/60247/canopy/CANOPY736_DES.pkg2
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/60247/canopy/CANOPY736_DES.zip
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable,
Thanks guys. Should have the tower up now tomorrow morning (weather
permitting).
/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:37:51
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA]
Ya thats not bad.
The other problem with this tower is that because of the terrain, you
cant get a bucket near it for most of the year.
So, I was just trying to keep the electonics at the bottom.
The other end is only about 2 miles so I bet I can squeeze enough
signal with XR5 and no amp.
Thanks
I can't use 3650 out here. We're in an exclusion zone.
marlon
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Marlon - looked into Redline
OK, we have the graphs opened up so you guys can see them.
http://64.146.146.1:81/
That's about 300 wireless and 70 ftth plus web and email servers.
laters,
marlon
WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Hey, it works! Thanks, Marion.
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] customer bandwidth ratio
OK, we have the graphs
Lucky shit
On 9/22/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
Yeah, but he charges by the mb. Funny how they play differently when the
meter is running.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent:
Anyone else tired of these do-gooders and their organite gifting of your
towers?
Here I am, minding my own business and they come and place this darned
organite near my tower, messing up all the funny shaped clouds I've been
working so hard to create for the government and their secret weather
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 08:26:25PM -0700, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
OK, we have the graphs opened up so you guys can see them.
http://64.146.146.1:81/
That's about 300 wireless and 70 ftth plus web and email servers.
Can you fix those graphs to retain the maximum 5 minute value for each
of
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