Re: [WISPA] Good Evening Folks
Welcome back to the list, Roger. Marlon, I had a crimper like that with a crack in it. Poor crimps kept biting me in the posterior, till I bought one of these: http://www.all-spec.com/1/viewitem/30-496/ALLSPEC/prodinfo/allspecsession=1393318938D195632promoid=w3path=vend I got mine locally from a electrician supply place, but approx that price. The end goes in closer to the axis of the lever as cheaper crimpers, so you crimp twice as hard with less effort, and there is a stop you can feel when you have crimped hard enough. After using this one, I am through buying $15-$20 crimpers like this one: http://www.cablesnmor.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPRODProdID=272 or even the $25 ones Radioshack sells. Pete Davis NoDial.net Marlon K. Schafer wrote: dude! We're working on getting people to fill out the fcc forms. We're hunting for new spectrum (current fight is for unused tv spectrum). Today I checked on the 5.4 band. It's to the spell check the certification docs phase. We're very close on that one! Also checked on 3650 and tv white spaces (at the fcc), nothing new to report at this time. As for a really fun one.. Yesterday I found out that there's a hairline crack on my cat5 crimper. It's not pushing the connectors all of the way down. Don't know if it's been that way for 2 days, 2 months or 2 years. I do know that I've got a lot, maybe hundreds, of connections that aren't completely crimped! Guess I'll be finding them over the next few years. sigh Great to see ya here. Hope you stick around man. For an old man like you, it's probably a good thing you are spending a lot of time near hospitals! roflol That help? marlon - Original Message - From: Roger Boggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] Good Evening Folks Bored to tears in a hotel room outside of Richmond, VA so I thought I'd jump onto this list and see who's here and what we're talking about lately. Haven't been doing much outdoor wireless stuff for more than a year now.. All indoor - mostly in hospitals and warehouses in support of RFID installations.. Just seeing what's hot and what's not these days. Carry on. Roger Boggs -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st
Kurt, Please point out where I said or even implied that you didn't file. You did, however, suggest we should have a poll to decide whether we should comply with FCC regulations. I would like to call your attention to one of your posts where you said, Buy from someone that imports 5.4 moto from overseas and resells. and ask you to explain how you are not suggesting someone break the law by that statement. Thanks, Dawn PS - Listening is optional, compliance is not. Have a nice day! Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Dawwwn, Please point out where I said I don't file. Once you do that I will listen to what you have to say. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st Kurt, With all due respect I would like to ask that you not post suggestions that are blatantly against FCC regulations. In both of your messages I included below it appears you are advocating the complete disregarding of FCC regulations. I like to think of the WISPA list as a professional place to come and discuss fixed wireless technology. The last thing we want to do is give the appearance that we do not fully conform to all rules and regulations especially ones mandated by the FCC. Just my opinion, Dawn On 2/21/2006 Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Someone needs to start an online poll in which we can go on and anonymously vote on weather we fill this form out or not. Does the FCC say how many of these forms are being turned in? On 2/16/2006 Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Buy from someone that imports 5.4 moto from overseas and resells. --- --- --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st
Marlon K. Schafer wrote: - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st Oh Marlon, Marlon, Marlon.. Hey Scott, By no means am I attempting to dig this up again but there are 2 trains of thought that have been brought out on this list. One is to file and let the Commission know they exist and the other is to fly under the radar. Some say letting the FCC (and others) know they exist could bring positive or negative results. Flying under the radar (providing there are no penaltys) and not reporting is another option. Giving up spectrum is not something that happens much anymore without an auction. Wisp numbers are not the only thing that will drive new unlicensed spectrum releases. Manufacturers lobbying, municipal systems, colleges and universities needs, scientific and research spectrum requirements for data. These are all things that will drive unlicensed spectrum releases IMHO if and when they happen. Guys, our shouting from the mountain tops seems to be helping. There is an issue at congress right now that's revisiting the tv whitespaces issue But if it'll not really benefit anyone, they'll just auciton it off Ahh.. I read the bills and there is really nothing to stop the FCC from auctioning it off anyways even after its approved..Is it just helping to make the spectrum available Because the one thing I hate is being used as a pawn for government financial gain...and I don't mean taxes There is NO down side to filing guys Nowback to my question. What happens to the provider that doesn't file Anyone care to suggest/project/assume/state what the official punishment is? I know what it is for the others (LEC's , CLEC's, Cable Operators) but what about the unlicensed operator? Wrong question Bob. We know some of the benefits of filing. So far no one has come up with a down side. Oh sure, if they know about me they'll tax me. Right. If they tax you they'll find you. It won't matter if you've filed out the form or not. Find me a real reason not to file. I asked about penaltys. I said nothing about taxing. What are the penaltys?? And I mean official penaltys? Not an answer like They (the Commission) won't know that there is a need and as such we won't get spectrum. And what about the local university that provides broadband for the student for free or at a reduced rate?? Do they need to file?? Yes. As for as I know. It's about knowing who's getting service via any machanism. WellI know 2 universitys that do this and they NEVER file. What will the Commission do to them ? Hmmm.. -B- Scott Reed wrote: One penalty for not filing impacts all of us, filers or not, less attention on our needs from the FCC. Why would the commissioners agree to give us much needed spectrum, rules we can live with, new options in radio/antenna combinations, etc., when there are so few willing to stand up and be counted. Please, file honestly. I need your vote for the above things. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/ -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers
they're EZ RJ45 crimpers / ends. and yeah, they're around 50 - 70 cents PER CONNECTOR. BUT I'll tell you whatsince I bought them, I've NEVER remade a cable, NOR have I had to use a cable tester... I won't go back now... actually feel helpless to borrow someone else's crimpers / ends Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: That's it. Thanks! Do you really pay $.60 per connector??? Maybe it's not as nice of a tool as I thought laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Aubrey Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers http://www.happcontrols.com/electrical_supplies/92060900.htm --- Aubrey Wells One Ring Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] o: (404) 601.1407 f: (404) 601.1408 c: (770) 356.9767 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for a crimper I saw someone talk about. It uses special rj45 connectors that allow the cable to go through the end. Then the crimper crimps and cuts to length at the same time. Anyone know what it's called and where to get the connectors and the crimper? thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers
What is your time worth? -Matt Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: That's it. Thanks! Do you really pay $.60 per connector??? Maybe it's not as nice of a tool as I thought laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Aubrey Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers http://www.happcontrols.com/electrical_supplies/92060900.htm --- Aubrey Wells One Ring Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] o: (404) 601.1407 f: (404) 601.1408 c: (770) 356.9767 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for a crimper I saw someone talk about. It uses special rj45 connectors that allow the cable to go through the end. Then the crimper crimps and cuts to length at the same time. Anyone know what it's called and where to get the connectors and the crimper? thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers
Got price down to $0.49 in bulk from: http://www.telephoneparts.com/product/EZRJ45?OVRAW=ez-rj45OVKEY=ez%2520rj45 OVMTC=standard#ez-rj45%20crimping%20tool Dave Keep looking -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers What is your time worth? -Matt Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: That's it. Thanks! Do you really pay $.60 per connector??? Maybe it's not as nice of a tool as I thought laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Aubrey Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers http://www.happcontrols.com/electrical_supplies/92060900.htm --- Aubrey Wells One Ring Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] o: (404) 601.1407 f: (404) 601.1408 c: (770) 356.9767 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for a crimper I saw someone talk about. It uses special rj45 connectors that allow the cable to go through the end. Then the crimper crimps and cuts to length at the same time. Anyone know what it's called and where to get the connectors and the crimper? thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Fw: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st
Hi All, For those that think it's no big deal to not fill this out. Please read the note below from Ellen Burton with the FCC. She's in charge of this form. Guys, they are making this as easy as they can for us. I think we have nothing to gain and much to loose by being a PITA. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ellen Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:44 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st See #20 in the set of Form 477 FAQs that's available at http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/broadband_data_faq.html: 20. Are there penalties for not filing Form 477? Entities that are required to file Form 477 but fail to do so may be subject to the enforcement provisions of the Communications Act and any other applicable law. In particular, the Commission has authority pursuant to sections 502 and 503 of the Communications Act to enforce compliance by fine or forfeiture. -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:30 PM To: Ellen Burton Subject: Fw: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st Hiya Ellen, Remember when I asked what the penalty is for not filing the 477? Got an answer for me yet? thanks! marlon - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Marlon Schafer (509-982-2181) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st OK...OK. I agree that all should probably file. I have several partners so I am not the only one to decide so I will leave it at that as it pertains to my WISP entity. BUT...What is the penalty for not filing Does anyone know??? Can we get an official statement for this situation? Are there fines? Penalty's?? Do you get a nasty gram?? Do they not send me a xmas card next year?? What??? It may help bring more compliance or it may result in less filings. Either way I think the membership should know. Marlon...How about asking some of your contacts. -B- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers
EZ is not for speed. It's for doing the job right. One service call because of your fast crimp and all the speed for years of fast crimping is lost. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I can crimp a regular rj45 connector faster than you can crimp your EZ ones. If you know what you are doing you have no problem crimping one. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers What is your time worth? -Matt Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: That's it. Thanks! Do you really pay $.60 per connector??? Maybe it's not as nice of a tool as I thought laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Aubrey Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers http://www.happcontrols.com/electrical_supplies/92060900.htm --- Aubrey Wells One Ring Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] o: (404) 601.1407 f: (404) 601.1408 c: (770) 356.9767 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for a crimper I saw someone talk about. It uses special rj45 connectors that allow the cable to go through the end. Then the crimper crimps and cuts to length at the same time. Anyone know what it's called and where to get the connectors and the crimper? thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers
I'll take that challenge :) I can crimp EZ's faster than you can pull the tension out of a guy wire on the tower someone's climbing! I never said EZ's were for people that didn't know what they were doing, I said they were for people that valued their time Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I can crimp a regular rj45 connector faster than you can crimp your EZ ones. If you know what you are doing you have no problem crimping one. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers What is your time worth? -Matt Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: That's it. Thanks! Do you really pay $.60 per connector??? Maybe it's not as nice of a tool as I thought laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Aubrey Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers http://www.happcontrols.com/electrical_supplies/92060900.htm --- Aubrey Wells One Ring Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] o: (404) 601.1407 f: (404) 601.1408 c: (770) 356.9767 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for a crimper I saw someone talk about. It uses special rj45 connectors that allow the cable to go through the end. Then the crimper crimps and cuts to length at the same time. Anyone know what it's called and where to get the connectors and the crimper? thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] Mandatory FCC Form 477 info
Thanks. That's the native file format that the fcc wants used. But many here don't have excel. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Sean S gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] Mandatory FCC Form 477 info Marlan, I opened it using Excel and saved it. The Excel file is attached. Sean Gayle -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:01 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] Mandatory FCC Form 477 info Does anyone have Lotus instead of Excel? I didn't have any luck getting OpenOffice to open the Lotus file. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ellen Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA FCC] Mandatory FCC Form 477 info Marlon, You shared with me Forrest Christian's Form 477 feedback that his installed OpenOffice will not correctly open the Excel spreadsheet. Would you, Mr. Christian, or another WISP like to test drive the attached Lotus version, to see if OpenOffice will handle it? And let me know if it does? If all WISPs who have Excel (or whose particular OpenOffice installation can open the Excel spreadsheet) will use the Excel spreadsheet, we expect to be able to process a reasonably modest number of Lotus files. (The critical thing, for us to be able to process the completed form, is that the row/column locations of the data-entry cells don't change.) In case you forward this note to Mr. Christian and he hasn't already seen a copy of Form 477 in pdf format, I'm attaching one of those (watermarked not for filing). Ellen [Copy sent to Ellen Burton, Fri 2/3/2006 11:59 AM] - Original Message - From: Forrest Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FCC Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA FCC] Mandatory FCC Form 477 info Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: There were two main reasons that we could come up with for this. One is that people didn't know about it. Two is that folks didn't understand the form and didn't take the time to figure it out. Marlon, There is a third. (The following is aimed at the FCC, not you). We do not have excel. We will not buy Excel. The excel viewer will not work to fill out this form. OpenOffice does not open the form correctly. Forcing someone to purchase a $100 Microsoft product to comply with a government regulation is wrong and we will not do it on principle. If the FCC would like to provide a .pdf version of the form which we can fill out and submit or provide some online way to do so, we will. If they would like to provide a version which will open in OpenOffice, we will be more than happy to submit this to them. Making the assumption that everyone has Excel is totally and completely invalid. -forrest ___ FCC mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/fcc -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Jack Unger
I would like to welcome Jack Unger to WISPA. He has joined WISPA as a full paid member this morning. His website is http://www.ask-wi.com/ He is best known for his training seminars around the world and for his book, Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks. http://www.ask-wi.com/book.html This is not an advertisement but simply an introduction to a man who some say is the father of our industry. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers
I have bought those before. They are kind of a cool novelty, but they don't add THAT much reliability/speed/ease of use/etc IMO. pd Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: That's it. Thanks! Do you really pay $.60 per connector??? Maybe it's not as nice of a tool as I thought laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Aubrey Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers http://www.happcontrols.com/electrical_supplies/92060900.htm --- Aubrey Wells One Ring Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] o: (404) 601.1407 f: (404) 601.1408 c: (770) 356.9767 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for a crimper I saw someone talk about. It uses special rj45 connectors that allow the cable to go through the end. Then the crimper crimps and cuts to length at the same time. Anyone know what it's called and where to get the connectors and the crimper? thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers
Your better off on the ground than on a tower anyway Rick. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers I'll take that challenge :) I can crimp EZ's faster than you can pull the tension out of a guy wire on the tower someone's climbing! I never said EZ's were for people that didn't know what they were doing, I said they were for people that valued their time Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I can crimp a regular rj45 connector faster than you can crimp your EZ ones. If you know what you are doing you have no problem crimping one. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers What is your time worth? -Matt Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: That's it. Thanks! Do you really pay $.60 per connector??? Maybe it's not as nice of a tool as I thought laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Aubrey Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers http://www.happcontrols.com/electrical_supplies/92060900.htm --- Aubrey Wells One Ring Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] o: (404) 601.1407 f: (404) 601.1408 c: (770) 356.9767 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for a crimper I saw someone talk about. It uses special rj45 connectors that allow the cable to go through the end. Then the crimper crimps and cuts to length at the same time. Anyone know what it's called and where to get the connectors and the crimper? thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers
Please don't continue on this topic. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers this from a 19 yr old business wiz... :P Kurt Fankhauser wrote: If you can't do the job right with a non-EZ connector then mabey you should consider a different occupation. Out of thousands of crimps I've never once had a crimp fail and all my crimps are consistant with each other. A good solid RJ-45 crimp is very easy to make if you know what your doing. Cutting corners by using cheater type products is not the way you should be running a wisp. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers EZ is not for speed. It's for doing the job right. One service call because of your fast crimp and all the speed for years of fast crimping is lost. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I can crimp a regular rj45 connector faster than you can crimp your EZ ones. If you know what you are doing you have no problem crimping one. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers What is your time worth? -Matt Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: That's it. Thanks! Do you really pay $.60 per connector??? Maybe it's not as nice of a tool as I thought laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Aubrey Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers http://www.happcontrols.com/electrical_supplies/92060900.htm --- Aubrey Wells One Ring Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] o: (404) 601.1407 f: (404) 601.1408 c: (770) 356.9767 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for a crimper I saw someone talk about. It uses special rj45 connectors that allow the cable to go through the end. Then the crimper crimps and cuts to length at the same time. Anyone know what it's called and where to get the connectors and the crimper? thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers THREAD NOW CLOSED!
To All, I agree, this thread is starting to get old and is bordering on verbal attacks from several parties. Enough opinions have been given for people to make up their own mind. Just because one person likes or dislikes something doesn't mean that others will. Please refrain from pushing your opinions on others TOO FAR! Thanks to the gentleman who introduced this product to the list. I'm sure you did so because it works well for you. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers Please don't continue on this topic. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers this from a 19 yr old business wiz... :P Kurt Fankhauser wrote: If you can't do the job right with a non-EZ connector then mabey you should consider a different occupation. Out of thousands of crimps I've never once had a crimp fail and all my crimps are consistant with each other. A good solid RJ-45 crimp is very easy to make if you know what your doing. Cutting corners by using cheater type products is not the way you should be running a wisp. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers EZ is not for speed. It's for doing the job right. One service call because of your fast crimp and all the speed for years of fast crimping is lost. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I can crimp a regular rj45 connector faster than you can crimp your EZ ones. If you know what you are doing you have no problem crimping one. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers What is your time worth? -Matt Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: That's it. Thanks! Do you really pay $.60 per connector??? Maybe it's not as nice of a tool as I thought laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Aubrey Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers http://www.happcontrols.com/electrical_supplies/92060900.htm --- Aubrey Wells One Ring Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] o: (404) 601.1407 f: (404) 601.1408 c: (770) 356.9767 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for a crimper I saw someone talk about. It uses special rj45 connectors that allow the cable to go through the end. Then the crimper crimps and cuts to length at the same time. Anyone know what it's called and where to get the connectors and the crimper? thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wispcon?
Title: Message Oh well, decided to baby-sit my network and spend the money on joining WISPA ;-) Maybe I will catch you too, at the next one. Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadBand.com 314-974-5600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Linda PondSent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:36 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Wispcon? Hey Victoria, I heard you were back on track. You go, Girl! Probably will not be able to make WiNOG, but will endeavour to get to an upcoming event. Linda Linda PondPresidentCustomer Connects"Bridging Technology Relationships"www.customerconnects.com613-253-0240 (w)613-291-2884 (c)BLOG: http://lindaleepond.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: Victoria To: 'Linda Pond' ; 'WISPA General List' Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:29 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wispcon? Hey Linda, How are you doing? Been awhile. Unfortunately I have not been to a conference in ages. Had a big legal battle going on with my ex-partner and lost my network for almost two years. Have it back now and really busy rebuilding it and repairing the damage. Possibly looking at the WiNOG Conference next month, but afraid to leave my network... :-( Good luck in your new endeavor! Best regards, Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadBand.com 314-974-5600 - Original Message - From: Linda Pond To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispcon? Excellent post, Tom. I have been an attendee and a presenter at WISPCON I and II. Once with anOptical Wireless company, Plaintree Systems and once with Marlon's startupof 2002, WNOC. Both were outstanding experiences. I personally got alot of value from the WISPCON shows, especially meeting the people behind the posts on this (and other) lists. Those WISPCON days were more about the relationships. This list has some close roots,and the shows then were about connecting, wirelessly and spiritually, so-to-speak. I met Marlon and Bullet and Steve Stroh (hiya Steve!) for the first time in Chicago, and it was a hoot!Learning and having fun are two things that do it for me, especially if I can do them at the same time. I have been away from the directWISP loop since 2002,running my own kind of Networking business.However, I still enjoy the WISP listconversations, and have stayed in touch. And am glad I did stay in touch, for I have just signed an agreement to work with a company called Arryba Communications - whose mission is to provide high speed Internet to Rural Eastern Ontario (that's me!).Besides being obvious self-interest, Arryba has a very interesting business model, and their timing and leadership are spot on. I would like to attend a spring show, and would beinterested in knowing where the best shows are now, for its time for me to reconnect with the WISP world. Marlon? Steve? Victoria? Where do you guys hang? Linda Linda PondPresidentCustomer Connects"Bridging Technology Relationships"www.customerconnects.com613-253-0240 (w)613-291-2884 (c)BLOG: http://lindaleepond.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispcon? Ido not necessarilly think that the quality of WISPCON has degraded that much. Its more thatthe attendee WISP basehas matured, and looking for new attractions, and new shows have popped up to attract them. Once a WISP has went to WISPCON 3-4 times in a row, they start trying shows that offer something different. WiNog offering, more techncial exchange discussion between experienced operators, which has shown to be extremely valueable to the WISPs that have been there done that. ISPCON, for WISPs looking for more than just wireless technology knowledge. As WISPs mature they start to learn that business strategy is more important, and all operations of the busines such as services, is as important as the wireless technolegy. This is one of the reasons I got involved with ISPCON, and think its the best overall show. Its one of the reasons the show is filled by executives
Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers
I'm the one who turned Rick and many others onto these Marlon - We've been using them for almost 3yrs. We have had 1 truck roll due to a bad crimp in this amount of time. Yes they are expensive if you look at it on a per crimp basis - but what is $1.10 per install worth to you in time / frustration / a professional crimp ? I buy these in bulk in lots of 10,000 at a time. If anyone wants to purchase some ends for these I can prob save you $15.00 per 300pack and $10.00 on the tool. JohnnyO On Wed, 2006-02-22 at 12:22 -0500, Rick Smith wrote: they're EZ RJ45 crimpers / ends. and yeah, they're around 50 - 70 cents PER CONNECTOR. BUT I'll tell you whatsince I bought them, I've NEVER remade a cable, NOR have I had to use a cable tester... I won't go back now... actually feel helpless to borrow someone else's crimpers / ends Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: That's it. Thanks! Do you really pay $.60 per connector??? Maybe it's not as nice of a tool as I thought laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Aubrey Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers http://www.happcontrols.com/electrical_supplies/92060900.htm --- Aubrey Wells One Ring Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] o: (404) 601.1407 f: (404) 601.1408 c: (770) 356.9767 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for a crimper I saw someone talk about. It uses special rj45 connectors that allow the cable to go through the end. Then the crimper crimps and cuts to length at the same time. Anyone know what it's called and where to get the connectors and the crimper? thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mesh Equipment
Does anyone have a good recommendation on some Mesh equipment. I have a small town that wants to provide Internet access to the entire town and I'm thinking of using mesh technology. Any ideas would be great. Thanks, Steve -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment
ISPlists wrote: Does anyone have a good recommendation on some Mesh equipment. I have a small town that wants to provide Internet access to the entire town and I'm thinking of using mesh technology. Any ideas would be great. Thanks, Steve Lonnie just released a beta mesh upgrade for star-os v3 today. Or he is going to according to another list posting. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment
Unless you expect to handle only very low levels of traffic, avoid mesh nodes with only one radio. Choose nodes that have one radio on 2.4 GHz for customer connections and one radio on 5.8 GHz for backhauling. In other words, separate the access traffic from the backhaul traffic. Your overall throughput capability will be many times greater. jack ISPlists wrote: Does anyone have a good recommendation on some Mesh equipment. I have a small town that wants to provide Internet access to the entire town and I'm thinking of using mesh technology. Any ideas would be great. Thanks, Steve -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers
Kurt is slowly proving himself as an idiot on this list. Kurt - GROW UP - You don't always have to be the person to one up everyone. JohnnyO On Wed, 2006-02-22 at 13:54 -0500, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: EZ is not for speed. It's for doing the job right. One service call because of your fast crimp and all the speed for years of fast crimping is lost. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I can crimp a regular rj45 connector faster than you can crimp your EZ ones. If you know what you are doing you have no problem crimping one. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers What is your time worth? -Matt Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: That's it. Thanks! Do you really pay $.60 per connector??? Maybe it's not as nice of a tool as I thought laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Aubrey Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers http://www.happcontrols.com/electrical_supplies/92060900.htm --- Aubrey Wells One Ring Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] o: (404) 601.1407 f: (404) 601.1408 c: (770) 356.9767 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for a crimper I saw someone talk about. It uses special rj45 connectors that allow the cable to go through the end. Then the crimper crimps and cuts to length at the same time. Anyone know what it's called and where to get the connectors and the crimper? thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers. Please take this offlist.
JohnnyO wrote: Kurt is slowly proving himself as an idiot on this list. Kurt - GROW UP - You don't always have to be the person to one up everyone. JohnnyO Maybe the best way to handle gripes is to take it off list and email him directly. The other day on the dslreports list that Mark or someone had posted a link to, one of the wisps complained about the back biting. Not good for wispa, not good for you or anyone else. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers
The local electronics store sold me a pair of crimpers that listed for $55, but since the package was trashed, he gave me $10 off. Boy, I have never regretted it. No more of those cheap ones. Not a single bad crimp since I changed crimpers and yes, we use the cheap standard ends. We had issues with the regular ones, even though we had tried 3 different pairs of crimpers. We never left a customer with a bad cable, but there was a couple times the c able didn't work, and visually inspecting the crimp showed a deficiency. These things are NOT very convenient to use, but they have this ratcheting mechanism that won't let you let loose of the connector until you squeeze all the way.The plug is tight in the crimper, and they are very heavy. Not a single bad crimp since then. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Pete Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers I have bought those before. They are kind of a cool novelty, but they don't add THAT much reliability/speed/ease of use/etc IMO. pd Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: That's it. Thanks! Do you really pay $.60 per connector??? Maybe it's not as nice of a tool as I thought laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Aubrey Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers http://www.happcontrols.com/electrical_supplies/92060900.htm --- Aubrey Wells One Ring Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] o: (404) 601.1407 f: (404) 601.1408 c: (770) 356.9767 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for a crimper I saw someone talk about. It uses special rj45 connectors that allow the cable to go through the end. Then the crimper crimps and cuts to length at the same time. Anyone know what it's called and where to get the connectors and the crimper? thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers. Please take this offlist.
Whaa wha wha wha wh! Guys, your making me sick. Please stop - Pleaseeaasee. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot rj45 crimpers. Please take this offlist. JohnnyO wrote: Kurt is slowly proving himself as an idiot on this list. Kurt - GROW UP - You don't always have to be the person to one up everyone. JohnnyO Maybe the best way to handle gripes is to take it off list and email him directly. The other day on the dslreports list that Mark or someone had posted a link to, one of the wisps complained about the back biting. Not good for wispa, not good for you or anyone else. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Wireless Internet - Longview Texas - Request
Anyone covering this area - contact me offlist - have a business account for you. JohnnyO -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment
Hi Jack, This is the way Lonnie described his version of mesh a few months back. George Jack Unger wrote: Unless you expect to handle only very low levels of traffic, avoid mesh nodes with only one radio. Choose nodes that have one radio on 2.4 GHz for customer connections and one radio on 5.8 GHz for backhauling. In other words, separate the access traffic from the backhaul traffic. Your overall throughput capability will be many times greater. jack -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment
George, I haven't seen his description but I'm glad to hear he's on the right track. Do you recall a link to his information? Thanks, jack George wrote: Hi Jack, This is the way Lonnie described his version of mesh a few months back. George Jack Unger wrote: Unless you expect to handle only very low levels of traffic, avoid mesh nodes with only one radio. Choose nodes that have one radio on 2.4 GHz for customer connections and one radio on 5.8 GHz for backhauling. In other words, separate the access traffic from the backhaul traffic. Your overall throughput capability will be many times greater. jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment
This is from a post I made in the Summer. It runs very nicely on out 4 radio WAR boards. Pretty sweet actually. Lonnie * I think you are basing your dislike on standard AdHoc mesh. Remember I too have come out and said it is not worth our time. We have some ideas and we will build something similar to OSPF but more intelligent and proactive about routes. We will make use of multiple radios and even Ethernet feeds. There is no reason that we cannot do a 5.x GHz mesh feeding some 2.4 GHz microcells. I see no reason to have a low performance system and we are shooting for 20 to 30 mbps at each node. It will not ruin it for anybody and kill make a KA network. It will be self healing so that any failure is simply routed around. Like OSPF but with steroids and more knowledge of the network. On 2/22/06, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George, I haven't seen his description but I'm glad to hear he's on the right track. Do you recall a link to his information? Thanks, jack George wrote: Hi Jack, This is the way Lonnie described his version of mesh a few months back. George Jack Unger wrote: Unless you expect to handle only very low levels of traffic, avoid mesh nodes with only one radio. Choose nodes that have one radio on 2.4 GHz for customer connections and one radio on 5.8 GHz for backhauling. In other words, separate the access traffic from the backhaul traffic. Your overall throughput capability will be many times greater. jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment
Or realize that everyone in the world is using the precious 5.8Ghz spectrum already for long critical links, that are limited to 5.8Ghz for PtP rule higher SU antenna, or long distance. 5.3Ghz is an ideal backhaul channel for MESH, up to 7 miles (with 2 ft dish), and avoid the interference headaches. There is now a HUGE range of spectrum available at 1 watt, the 5.3G and 5.4Ghz newly allocated 255Mhzspectrum usable as if this past January. Design mesh networks to utilize these many channel options, avoid interference, and don't destroy the industry by unnecessisarilly using the precious 5.8Ghz. In a MESH design its rare to need to go distances longer than 2 miles, all within the realm of possibility with low power 5.3G and 5.4G and Omnis and relatively small panel antennas. Likewise, reserve the precious 2.4Ghz for the link to consumer, the spectrum supported by their laptops. I hope to see the industry smart enough to use the new 5.4Ghz for MESH type systems, which is one of the reasons it was allocated for. One of the most important tasks for WISPs is to conserve the 5.8Ghz spectrum and only use it when needed. It is in shortage most compared to the other ranges. I had hoped and lobbied hard that half of the 5.4Ghz range would be allowed for higher power and PtP rules, but it had not. Its still perfect for mesh and OFDM. Don;t be fooled into believing high power is the secret weapon for mesh, as it is not, LOW power is. Interference and noise is accumulative and travels for miles around corners and obstructions, unlike good RSSI and quality signal. Get better RSSI in MESH, by Reducing self interference and noise, by using a wider range of channel selections and lower power. 5.3 and 5.4 gives you 350Mhz to select channels from, of equal specification/propertied RF. Design it into your MESH design. If you can't transport it in 1watt, redesign radio install locations and density. Every single additional non-inteferring channel selection, drastically logrithmically increases the odds of getting a non-interfering channel selection. 5.4G is the best thinng that happened to MESH. Unfortuneately, worthless for super cell design. But if MESH embrases 5.4 like it should, it leaves 5.8Ghz for Super cell. Otherwise the MESH designer is destined to fail, because it will become a battle that the Super Cell guy won't be able to give up on until his death, as he has no other option but the range he is using. The mesh provider has options. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Unless you expect to handle only very low levels of traffic, avoid mesh nodes with only one radio. Choose nodes that have one radio on 2.4 GHz for customer connections and one radio on 5.8 GHz for backhauling. In other words, separate the access traffic from the backhaul traffic. Your overall throughput capability will be many times greater. jack ISPlists wrote: Does anyone have a good recommendation on some Mesh equipment. I have a small town that wants to provide Internet access to the entire town and I'm thinking of using mesh technology. Any ideas would be great. Thanks, Steve -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] HELP M2 Yagi won't work NEED to install tonight!
I am trying to get an install done tonight but can only get -112 dbm on a Canopy SM with a M2 yagi. I hung the Canopy yesterday (my first one) and did an install. I did one install earlier today with the 13 dbi yagi from CTI, so I know I'm not doing something on the radio wrong. Anyway, these antennas have to be assambled and must be I put it together wrong. Well, as soon as an answer I'll go finish the install. The install is 5 miles LOS. It didn't work so I came home and assembled another Canopy radio and antenna and this one didn't work either. My house is 1/2 mile LOS, so it's not a low signal issue. Anyway, it must be these M2 Yagis. Give me a call if you want. 269 838 8338 Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WAS.....HELP M2 Yagi won't.......Problem Fixed
Some IDIOT that was in my enclosure bumped the power supply and unplugged the AP. The idiot was me. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I am trying to get an install done tonight but can only get -112 dbm on a Canopy SM with a M2 yagi. I hung the Canopy yesterday (my first one) and did an install. I did one install earlier today with the 13 dbi yagi from CTI, so I know I'm not doing something on the radio wrong. Anyway, these antennas have to be assambled and must be I put it together wrong. Well, as soon as an answer I'll go finish the install. The install is 5 miles LOS. It didn't work so I came home and assembled another Canopy radio and antenna and this one didn't work either. My house is 1/2 mile LOS, so it's not a low signal issue. Anyway, it must be these M2 Yagis. Give me a call if you want. 269 838 8338 Brian -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Solectek Skyway 7000
I have never used the Solectek equipment and am looking at either trying their Skyway 7101 or the Trango Atlas for some short building to building links. I have seen enough favorable posts about the Atlas to know plenty of you are using it successfully although I sure wish I could get one of their sales folks to return a phone call. Leave a message about buying 250 CPEs and no one calls back Anyway J I would like to get opinions on the Skyway 7000. This would be for very short .5 mile links between buildings. We would normally use Terabeam/Proxim systems but are looking for alternatives with similar capabilities and 20-40% lower cost. Any info/opinions on reliability and real world throughput would be great. Thanks, Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: Fw: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st
On all due respectIt didn't answer the question.. -B- Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, For those that think it's no big deal to not fill this out. Please read the note below from Ellen Burton with the FCC. She's in charge of this form. Guys, they are making this as easy as they can for us. I think we have nothing to gain and much to loose by being a PITA. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ellen Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:44 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st See #20 in the set of Form 477 FAQs that's available at http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/broadband_data_faq.html: 20. Are there penalties for not filing Form 477? Entities that are required to file Form 477 but fail to do so may be subject to the enforcement provisions of the Communications Act and any other applicable law. In particular, the Commission has authority pursuant to sections 502 and 503 of the Communications Act to enforce compliance by fine or forfeiture. -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:30 PM To: Ellen Burton Subject: Fw: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st Hiya Ellen, Remember when I asked what the penalty is for not filing the 477? Got an answer for me yet? thanks! marlon - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Marlon Schafer (509-982-2181) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Form 477 Due March 1st OK...OK. I agree that all should probably file. I have several partners so I am not the only one to decide so I will leave it at that as it pertains to my WISP entity. BUT...What is the penalty for not filing Does anyone know??? Can we get an official statement for this situation? Are there fines? Penalty's?? Do you get a nasty gram?? Do they not send me a xmas card next year?? What??? It may help bring more compliance or it may result in less filings. Either way I think the membership should know. Marlon...How about asking some of your contacts. -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Solectek Skyway 7000
Title: Message Hi Matt, Your questions on the Skyway 7000 Trango Atlas would be answered by our Backhaul Bash Report (costs $3k) or--you can go to WiNOG and see a presentation of the results live http://www.winog.com/austin_2006/sessions/day3_backhaul1.htm http://www.winog.com/austin_2006/sessions/day3_backhaul2.htm -Charles ---WiNOG Austin, TXMarch 13-15, 2006http://www.winog.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt GlavesSent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:50 PMTo: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: [WISPA] Solectek Skyway 7000 I have never used the Solectek equipment and am looking at either trying their Skyway 7101 or the Trango Atlas for some short building to building links. I have seen enough favorable posts about the Atlas to know plenty of you are using it successfully although I sure wish I could get one of their sales folks to return a phone call. Leave a message about buying 250 CPEs and no one calls back Anyway J I would like to get opinions on the Skyway 7000. This would be for very short .5 mile links between buildings. We would normally use Terabeam/Proxim systems but are looking for alternatives with similar capabilities and 20-40% lower cost. Any info/opinions on reliability and real world throughput would be great. Thanks, Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] WAS.....HELP M2 Yagi won't.......Problem Fixed
That will do it every time... I forgot to plug in the sync cable once, at the top of the tower. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WAS.HELP M2 Yagi won't...Problem Fixed Some IDIOT that was in my enclosure bumped the power supply and unplugged the AP. The idiot was me. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I am trying to get an install done tonight but can only get -112 dbm on a Canopy SM with a M2 yagi. I hung the Canopy yesterday (my first one) and did an install. I did one install earlier today with the 13 dbi yagi from CTI, so I know I'm not doing something on the radio wrong. Anyway, these antennas have to be assambled and must be I put it together wrong. Well, as soon as an answer I'll go finish the install. The install is 5 miles LOS. It didn't work so I came home and assembled another Canopy radio and antenna and this one didn't work either. My house is 1/2 mile LOS, so it's not a low signal issue. Anyway, it must be these M2 Yagis. Give me a call if you want. 269 838 8338 Brian -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] WAS.....HELP M2 Yagi won't.......Problem Fixed
You still using WRAP boards I got some for sale mounted in some nice NEMA 4 enclosures, 6ghz arrestors, the whole works. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WAS.HELP M2 Yagi won't...Problem Fixed Brian, My first access point went up in July of 04. I had never put a WRAP board before, and I mistook which was radio 1 and radio 2. Anyway, I managed to hook the 2.4 ghz AP to the 5 ghz dish and the 5 ghz radio to the 2.4 sector... Well, we had no trouble at all hooking up to the AP while standing at the building. Or, anywhere around it. But, the 5 ghz backhaul would NOT hook up. The AP could not be seen at 1.2 miles, even with a 16 db antenna. I fought with that thing for 2 days, on and off. It was incredibly hot and going up there in the middle of the wheat field was unbearable, so I worked at it at night. Anyway, I started work on it near sunset, checked everything out again, clear down to changing all the radios and pigtails, and giving up, I went to the other end of the backhaul, nine miles away. I did some fiddling with the AP while I was there then giving up and deciding to snoop around instead, I then decided to survey using the utility for the PC card. Suddenly, the SSID for the other AP showed, and I connected, using a 14 db panel.Even through that 5 ghz grid, I had a pretty decent signal at 2.4 at 9 miles. It was about 3:30 AM. I drove to the other site, switched the antenna cables, and VIOLA! I had a fully functional net access site :) I was so jazzed, I drove around checking coverage for another hour, and then got home in time for breakfast. I was happy to tell the partner I had fixed it. It was terribly ego-bruising to admit how stupid of a mistake it was and how I had simply not caught on for 2 days Needless to say, I suddenly decided to wise up and check things out and be sure of assumptions I make from then on... North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WAS.HELP M2 Yagi won't...Problem Fixed Some IDIOT that was in my enclosure bumped the power supply and unplugged the AP. The idiot was me. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I am trying to get an install done tonight but can only get -112 dbm on a Canopy SM with a M2 yagi. I hung the Canopy yesterday (my first one) and did an install. I did one install earlier today with the 13 dbi yagi from CTI, so I know I'm not doing something on the radio wrong. Anyway, these antennas have to be assambled and must be I put it together wrong. Well, as soon as an answer I'll go finish the install. The install is 5 miles LOS. It didn't work so I came home and assembled another Canopy radio and antenna and this one didn't work either. My house is 1/2 mile LOS, so it's not a low signal issue. Anyway, it must be these M2 Yagis. Give me a call if you want. 269 838 8338 Brian -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WAS.....HELP M2 Yagi won't.......Problem Fixed
yes, I use WRAP boards North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] WAS.HELP M2 Yagi won't...Problem Fixed You still using WRAP boards I got some for sale mounted in some nice NEMA 4 enclosures, 6ghz arrestors, the whole works. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WAS.HELP M2 Yagi won't...Problem Fixed Brian, My first access point went up in July of 04. I had never put a WRAP board before, and I mistook which was radio 1 and radio 2. Anyway, I managed to hook the 2.4 ghz AP to the 5 ghz dish and the 5 ghz radio to the 2.4 sector... Well, we had no trouble at all hooking up to the AP while standing at the building. Or, anywhere around it. But, the 5 ghz backhaul would NOT hook up. The AP could not be seen at 1.2 miles, even with a 16 db antenna. I fought with that thing for 2 days, on and off. It was incredibly hot and going up there in the middle of the wheat field was unbearable, so I worked at it at night. Anyway, I started work on it near sunset, checked everything out again, clear down to changing all the radios and pigtails, and giving up, I went to the other end of the backhaul, nine miles away. I did some fiddling with the AP while I was there then giving up and deciding to snoop around instead, I then decided to survey using the utility for the PC card. Suddenly, the SSID for the other AP showed, and I connected, using a 14 db panel.Even through that 5 ghz grid, I had a pretty decent signal at 2.4 at 9 miles. It was about 3:30 AM. I drove to the other site, switched the antenna cables, and VIOLA! I had a fully functional net access site :) I was so jazzed, I drove around checking coverage for another hour, and then got home in time for breakfast. I was happy to tell the partner I had fixed it. It was terribly ego-bruising to admit how stupid of a mistake it was and how I had simply not caught on for 2 days Needless to say, I suddenly decided to wise up and check things out and be sure of assumptions I make from then on... North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WAS.HELP M2 Yagi won't...Problem Fixed Some IDIOT that was in my enclosure bumped the power supply and unplugged the AP. The idiot was me. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I am trying to get an install done tonight but can only get -112 dbm on a Canopy SM with a M2 yagi. I hung the Canopy yesterday (my first one) and did an install. I did one install earlier today with the 13 dbi yagi from CTI, so I know I'm not doing something on the radio wrong. Anyway, these antennas have to be assambled and must be I put it together wrong. Well, as soon as an answer I'll go finish the install. The install is 5 miles LOS. It didn't work so I came home and assembled another Canopy radio and antenna and this one didn't work either. My house is 1/2 mile LOS, so it's not a low signal issue. Anyway, it must be these M2 Yagis. Give me a call if you want. 269 838 8338 Brian -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/266 - Release Date: 2/21/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment
Tom, You make a very good point that 5.3 GHz should be used wherever possible while reserving 5.8 for longer-distance backhauling and supercell use. We should all be thinking in terms of using 5.3 whenever we can and reserving the higher-power 5.8 authorization for those situations where we really, really need it. jack Tom DeReggi wrote: Or realize that everyone in the world is using the precious 5.8Ghz spectrum already for long critical links, that are limited to 5.8Ghz for PtP rule higher SU antenna, or long distance. 5.3Ghz is an ideal backhaul channel for MESH, up to 7 miles (with 2 ft dish), and avoid the interference headaches. There is now a HUGE range of spectrum available at 1 watt, the 5.3G and 5.4Ghz newly allocated 255Mhzspectrum usable as if this past January. Design mesh networks to utilize these many channel options, avoid interference, and don't destroy the industry by unnecessisarilly using the precious 5.8Ghz. In a MESH design its rare to need to go distances longer than 2 miles, all within the realm of possibility with low power 5.3G and 5.4G and Omnis and relatively small panel antennas. Likewise, reserve the precious 2.4Ghz for the link to consumer, the spectrum supported by their laptops. I hope to see the industry smart enough to use the new 5.4Ghz for MESH type systems, which is one of the reasons it was allocated for. One of the most important tasks for WISPs is to conserve the 5.8Ghz spectrum and only use it when needed. It is in shortage most compared to the other ranges. I had hoped and lobbied hard that half of the 5.4Ghz range would be allowed for higher power and PtP rules, but it had not. Its still perfect for mesh and OFDM. Don;t be fooled into believing high power is the secret weapon for mesh, as it is not, LOW power is. Interference and noise is accumulative and travels for miles around corners and obstructions, unlike good RSSI and quality signal. Get better RSSI in MESH, by Reducing self interference and noise, by using a wider range of channel selections and lower power. 5.3 and 5.4 gives you 350Mhz to select channels from, of equal specification/propertied RF. Design it into your MESH design. If you can't transport it in 1watt, redesign radio install locations and density. Every single additional non-inteferring channel selection, drastically logrithmically increases the odds of getting a non-interfering channel selection. 5.4G is the best thinng that happened to MESH. Unfortuneately, worthless for super cell design. But if MESH embrases 5.4 like it should, it leaves 5.8Ghz for Super cell. Otherwise the MESH designer is destined to fail, because it will become a battle that the Super Cell guy won't be able to give up on until his death, as he has no other option but the range he is using. The mesh provider has options. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Unless you expect to handle only very low levels of traffic, avoid mesh nodes with only one radio. Choose nodes that have one radio on 2.4 GHz for customer connections and one radio on 5.8 GHz for backhauling. In other words, separate the access traffic from the backhaul traffic. Your overall throughput capability will be many times greater. jack ISPlists wrote: Does anyone have a good recommendation on some Mesh equipment. I have a small town that wants to provide Internet access to the entire town and I'm thinking of using mesh technology. Any ideas would be great. Thanks, Steve -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment
That has been our whole focus. The first part of the puzzle was the 4 port WAR boards. It is so easy to deploy a repeater and one or more micro cells if they all come in one box and you simply attach antennas. Then we developed the 5 and 10 MHz channel widths. At 5 MHz width, for instance, you have 11 channels of non overlapping bandwidth in the very crowded 2.4 GHz allotment. 5.x GHz gets the same 4X the number of channels. Each 5 MHz radio can still deliver almost 7 mbps. The last piece of the puzzle was the mesh routing. RIPv2 makes a large network easy to maintain, but it gets fooled easily and cross links confuse it greatly. OSPF is better but is more difficult to set up and you have to design your network as a 2 layer structure, something that any larger network quickly exceeds. Mesh loves cross links and they provide a self healing quality. Take a link away and the loss is detected and routed around. It is easy to setup and just works. All you really have to enter are the device names and the IP segments you want announced. So, we are nearing the ideal platform - multiple radios, efficient bandwidth use and superb routing to make use of all of those links. This is what we have all been dreaming about for years, and it is upon us. This is the next generation of wireless people. Lonnie On 2/22/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or realize that everyone in the world is using the precious 5.8Ghz spectrum already for long critical links, that are limited to 5.8Ghz for PtP rule higher SU antenna, or long distance. 5.3Ghz is an ideal backhaul channel for MESH, up to 7 miles (with 2 ft dish), and avoid the interference headaches. There is now a HUGE range of spectrum available at 1 watt, the 5.3G and 5.4Ghz newly allocated 255Mhzspectrum usable as if this past January. Design mesh networks to utilize these many channel options, avoid interference, and don't destroy the industry by unnecessisarilly using the precious 5.8Ghz. In a MESH design its rare to need to go distances longer than 2 miles, all within the realm of possibility with low power 5.3G and 5.4G and Omnis and relatively small panel antennas. Likewise, reserve the precious 2.4Ghz for the link to consumer, the spectrum supported by their laptops. I hope to see the industry smart enough to use the new 5.4Ghz for MESH type systems, which is one of the reasons it was allocated for. One of the most important tasks for WISPs is to conserve the 5.8Ghz spectrum and only use it when needed. It is in shortage most compared to the other ranges. I had hoped and lobbied hard that half of the 5.4Ghz range would be allowed for higher power and PtP rules, but it had not. Its still perfect for mesh and OFDM. Don;t be fooled into believing high power is the secret weapon for mesh, as it is not, LOW power is. Interference and noise is accumulative and travels for miles around corners and obstructions, unlike good RSSI and quality signal. Get better RSSI in MESH, by Reducing self interference and noise, by using a wider range of channel selections and lower power. 5.3 and 5.4 gives you 350Mhz to select channels from, of equal specification/propertied RF. Design it into your MESH design. If you can't transport it in 1watt, redesign radio install locations and density. Every single additional non-inteferring channel selection, drastically logrithmically increases the odds of getting a non-interfering channel selection. 5.4G is the best thinng that happened to MESH. Unfortuneately, worthless for super cell design. But if MESH embrases 5.4 like it should, it leaves 5.8Ghz for Super cell. Otherwise the MESH designer is destined to fail, because it will become a battle that the Super Cell guy won't be able to give up on until his death, as he has no other option but the range he is using. The mesh provider has options. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh Equipment Unless you expect to handle only very low levels of traffic, avoid mesh nodes with only one radio. Choose nodes that have one radio on 2.4 GHz for customer connections and one radio on 5.8 GHz for backhauling. In other words, separate the access traffic from the backhaul traffic. Your overall throughput capability will be many times greater. jack ISPlists wrote: Does anyone have a good recommendation on some Mesh equipment. I have a small town that wants to provide Internet access to the entire town and I'm thinking of using mesh technology. Any ideas would be great. Thanks, Steve -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True
