[WISPA] SR9 Performance

[cw]

Is anyone getting satisfactory performance with SR9s on WAR boards? If so, 
what antennas are you using for base station and subscriber end?


At an 1/8 of a mile through foliage and structures, a neg ninety two is rock 
solid moving 1500k/sec with a couple of coat hangers for antennas. At 1/4 of 
a mile with less of everything in the way, a neg eighty-five barely 
associates and drops packets with most antenna combinations we've tried.


A Pac Wireless 8dBi omni on the base station was the worst. Small Pac 
Wireless sector panel to sector panel was the best performance. Yagi to omni 
was worse than disappointing. I'd appreciate any antenna suggestions.


Thanks,

cw

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Re: [WISPA] Cable right of entry

[Ryan Spott]

chris cooper wrote:

  
  
   I have a marketing exclusive with an MTU for
broadband.  The cable sales folks keep showing up soliciting new
business
for their phone/broadband/video offering.  Property mgmt. has been
telling
the cable reps that they do not have rights to solicit, only install on
his
premises.  Their isn’t a valid contract between MTU and Cable Co. Cable
mgmt. keeps spouting off about right of entry.  I always thought this
gave
them the right enter to install or make service calls, period. Can
someone give
me the text book definition of right of entry? 
  

Along these same lines

I keep seeing all sorts of new neighborhood development in my area.
They subdivide large lots and place houses on each. The infrastructure
includes 1.5-2 inch conduit for the local phone company, but they do
not pay to put it in. 

My question is, who owns that conduit? Does the local *LEC own it or do
they only own the wires inside?

If I could get access to that conduit.. 


ryan


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[WISPA] WDS

[chris cooper]

Has anyone had any luck with off the shelf WDS cpe units
working in combination with SR2 radios?

 

Thanks

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[WISPA] Cable right of entry

[chris cooper]

I have a marketing exclusive with an MTU for
broadband.  The cable sales folks keep showing up soliciting new business
for their phone/broadband/video offering.  Property mgmt. has been telling
the cable reps that they do not have rights to solicit, only install on his
premises.  Their isn’t a valid contract between MTU and Cable Co. Cable
mgmt. keeps spouting off about right of entry.  I always thought this gave
them the right enter to install or make service calls, period. Can someone give
me the text book definition of right of entry?

 

Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi

[Brian Rohrbacher]

No kidding.  In the last month my Nextel went from 4 bars in all places 
to 0-1 bar at most times now.  Something bad is going on.  And I am way 
out in the sticks.  Should be less interference.


Brian Rohrbacher

Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:


Brian,

I'm sure that there are a lot of upgrades going on in urban areas, but 
it will take a while before they hit many rural markets.  In the 
meantime, all these folks that are going to try downloading videos and 
music to their phones will put exponentially higher loads on the 
cellular data networks.   Even with the advantages of licensed 
spectrum and cleaner noise floors, you are still talking about the 
disadvantages of having to maintain that data stream to a moving 
target, roaming between towers through widely varying signal 
conditions and low gain antennas on the customer side.  Fixed 
applications don't have to deal with that at all, and it is possible 
to optimize signal strength to make it perform.  My former partner in 
Vistabeam is the operations manager for a cell carrier, and I get to 
hear about all the issues on their networks.  Suffice to say, they get 
to deal with a lot of the same problems we do, the problems are just a 
lot more expensive to fix.


Hell, as far as I can tell the cellular guys are having problems just 
keeping voice operational on many of their networks!  Just as a few of 
the guys on this list that I call regularly (Mac, Scriv, Marlon) and 
ask them how many times my conversations with them get cut off because 
of crappy phone service.   They should get voice figured out before 
they try to deliver live video to a postage stamp screen on a cell phone.


Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Brian Webster wrote:


Matt,
The cellular folks have been quietly improving their data network
capability. Their biggest problem to date was the T1 backhauls from the
tower sites. These were already loaded with voice traffic. In many 
markets
there are aggressive programs underway to replace all the T1's with 
licensed
microwave backhaul with much more bandwidth. Cellular has the 
advantage of
cleaner spectrum and lower noise floors. It has been proven that they 
can
deliver over the air rates necessary, once they fix the backhaul 
bottleneck
they will be serious competitors. Remember they also get to leverage 
their
already existing tower network. Sprint/Nextel even has the advantage 
of all

that 2.5 GHz spectrum they just announced their WIMAX plans for.
One of the major players for giving them wireless backhaul is 
FiberTower
who just merged with First Avenue Networks. This gives them instant 
access

to a lot of spectrum all over the US. While this may not be good news to
most of the folks on this list, there is an upside. The telcos are 
going to
lose a lot of business from them dropping those expensive $1200 per 
month T1

circuits to each and every tower site.that should effect some
numbers for those guys.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com 


-Original Message-
From: Matt Larsen - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi


Check back in with us in a year and let us know how that cell data card
is working.  If you thought the oversubscription on dialup lines was
bad, wait until more people get on the cellular data networks.  Talk
about something that will not scale when the data hits it - wow.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Brad Belton wrote:
 

I wasn't going to pipe in on this topic, but George hit it square on 
the

head: Cellular.

Laptops are now available with built-in cellular data cards.  This 
trend

will only continue as the cellular data rates continue to increase.  My
Sprint data card pretty consistently pulls 500Kbps and can peak at 
nearly
1.5Mbps.  This is far better than many WiFi hotspots I have 
connected to



and
 


certainly better than any Muni-WiFi system I've seen.

Pure coverage alone will give the cellular networks a huge advantage 
over

any muni system.  I can guarantee you the next laptop I buy will have a
cellular data card built-in.  

Best,


Brad



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 4:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi

Tom DeReggi wrote:


   

My arguement is that the biggest prospective client for use of a 
mobile
network is the governement. If you give service to them free or 
without

financial contribution from them, its just plain stupid in my mind.

  


But what about cellular?

Aren't they posed best to take advantage of mobile customers because
they are all theirs anyways?
Sprint just announced they will be doing mobile wimax. Verizon already
has a decent nation wide high speed mobile internet access product that
a lot of law enforcement are all ready 

Re: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Brian,

I'm sure that there are a lot of upgrades going on in urban areas, but 
it will take a while before they hit many rural markets.  In the 
meantime, all these folks that are going to try downloading videos and 
music to their phones will put exponentially higher loads on the 
cellular data networks.   Even with the advantages of licensed spectrum 
and cleaner noise floors, you are still talking about the disadvantages 
of having to maintain that data stream to a moving target, roaming 
between towers through widely varying signal conditions and low gain 
antennas on the customer side.  Fixed applications don't have to deal 
with that at all, and it is possible to optimize signal strength to make 
it perform.  My former partner in Vistabeam is the operations manager 
for a cell carrier, and I get to hear about all the issues on their 
networks.  Suffice to say, they get to deal with a lot of the same 
problems we do, the problems are just a lot more expensive to fix.


Hell, as far as I can tell the cellular guys are having problems just 
keeping voice operational on many of their networks!  Just as a few of 
the guys on this list that I call regularly (Mac, Scriv, Marlon) and ask 
them how many times my conversations with them get cut off because of 
crappy phone service.   They should get voice figured out before they 
try to deliver live video to a postage stamp screen on a cell phone.


Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Brian Webster wrote:

Matt,
The cellular folks have been quietly improving their data network
capability. Their biggest problem to date was the T1 backhauls from the
tower sites. These were already loaded with voice traffic. In many markets
there are aggressive programs underway to replace all the T1's with licensed
microwave backhaul with much more bandwidth. Cellular has the advantage of
cleaner spectrum and lower noise floors. It has been proven that they can
deliver over the air rates necessary, once they fix the backhaul bottleneck
they will be serious competitors. Remember they also get to leverage their
already existing tower network. Sprint/Nextel even has the advantage of all
that 2.5 GHz spectrum they just announced their WIMAX plans for.
One of the major players for giving them wireless backhaul is FiberTower
who just merged with First Avenue Networks. This gives them instant access
to a lot of spectrum all over the US. While this may not be good news to
most of the folks on this list, there is an upside. The telcos are going to
lose a lot of business from them dropping those expensive $1200 per month T1
circuits to each and every tower site.that should effect some
numbers for those guys.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com 


-Original Message-
From: Matt Larsen - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi


Check back in with us in a year and let us know how that cell data card
is working.  If you thought the oversubscription on dialup lines was
bad, wait until more people get on the cellular data networks.  Talk
about something that will not scale when the data hits it - wow.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Brad Belton wrote:
  

I wasn't going to pipe in on this topic, but George hit it square on the
head: Cellular.

Laptops are now available with built-in cellular data cards.  This trend
will only continue as the cellular data rates continue to increase.  My
Sprint data card pretty consistently pulls 500Kbps and can peak at nearly
1.5Mbps.  This is far better than many WiFi hotspots I have connected to


and
  

certainly better than any Muni-WiFi system I've seen.

Pure coverage alone will give the cellular networks a huge advantage over
any muni system.  I can guarantee you the next laptop I buy will have a
cellular data card built-in.  

Best,


Brad



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 4:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi

Tom DeReggi wrote:




My arguement is that the biggest prospective client for use of a mobile
network is the governement. If you give service to them free or without
financial contribution from them, its just plain stupid in my mind.

  

But what about cellular?

Aren't they posed best to take advantage of mobile customers because
they are all theirs anyways?
Sprint just announced they will be doing mobile wimax. Verizon already
has a decent nation wide high speed mobile internet access product that
a lot of law enforcement are all ready using in the plice cars.

And just this morning we heard  about 4g cellular delivering 100megs to
the police car at 37 miles per hour.

How does muni fit into the future that will be dominated by cellular?


George






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Re: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi

[Matt Liotta]

I wouldn't worry too much about FiberTower. They did gross revenue of 
$883,000 the first half of this year, while at the same time losing over 
$9M in the same time period. Further, in urban markets cellular carriers 
are on average paying less than $150 per T1. In some outer parts of our 
market they tend to pay on average around $500 per T1, but certainly no 
where near $1,200.


I know Nextlink and FiberTower both want to sell backhaul to cell 
companies, but who is buying? Verizon uses their own wireless backhaul 
for their sites in Atlanta. Cingular uses BellSouth fiber. I bet Sprint 
will want to use their own WiMAX equipment. I hear Alltel uses their own 
wireles backhaul, so that doesn't really leave many choices for Nextlink 
and FiberTower. Guess that is why Nextlink's latest strategy is to sell 
wireless last mile to XO.


-Matt

Brian Webster wrote:

Matt,
The cellular folks have been quietly improving their data network
capability. Their biggest problem to date was the T1 backhauls from the
tower sites. These were already loaded with voice traffic. In many markets
there are aggressive programs underway to replace all the T1's with licensed
microwave backhaul with much more bandwidth. Cellular has the advantage of
cleaner spectrum and lower noise floors. It has been proven that they can
deliver over the air rates necessary, once they fix the backhaul bottleneck
they will be serious competitors. Remember they also get to leverage their
already existing tower network. Sprint/Nextel even has the advantage of all
that 2.5 GHz spectrum they just announced their WIMAX plans for.
One of the major players for giving them wireless backhaul is FiberTower
who just merged with First Avenue Networks. This gives them instant access
to a lot of spectrum all over the US. While this may not be good news to
most of the folks on this list, there is an upside. The telcos are going to
lose a lot of business from them dropping those expensive $1200 per month T1
circuits to each and every tower site.that should effect some
numbers for those guys.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com 


-Original Message-
From: Matt Larsen - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi


Check back in with us in a year and let us know how that cell data card
is working.  If you thought the oversubscription on dialup lines was
bad, wait until more people get on the cellular data networks.  Talk
about something that will not scale when the data hits it - wow.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Brad Belton wrote:
  

I wasn't going to pipe in on this topic, but George hit it square on the
head: Cellular.

Laptops are now available with built-in cellular data cards.  This trend
will only continue as the cellular data rates continue to increase.  My
Sprint data card pretty consistently pulls 500Kbps and can peak at nearly
1.5Mbps.  This is far better than many WiFi hotspots I have connected to


and
  

certainly better than any Muni-WiFi system I've seen.

Pure coverage alone will give the cellular networks a huge advantage over
any muni system.  I can guarantee you the next laptop I buy will have a
cellular data card built-in.  

Best,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 4:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi

Tom DeReggi wrote:




My arguement is that the biggest prospective client for use of a mobile
network is the governement. If you give service to them free or without
financial contribution from them, its just plain stupid in my mind.

  

But what about cellular?

Aren't they posed best to take advantage of mobile customers because
they are all theirs anyways?
Sprint just announced they will be doing mobile wimax. Verizon already
has a decent nation wide high speed mobile internet access product that
a lot of law enforcement are all ready using in the plice cars.

And just this morning we heard  about 4g cellular delivering 100megs to
the police car at 37 miles per hour.

How does muni fit into the future that will be dominated by cellular?


George






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RE: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi

[Brad Belton]

...been there done that already.  First data card was from Ricochet I
think back in 2001 - 2002?  They went belly up and the service was spotty
(read coverage) and you basically had to be sitting still.  

Next was Sprint's first data card...ran at about 70Kbps - 130Kbps and was
great until subscriber base climbed to the point that Sprint introduced
their second generation data card that I am using now.

The point I am making can be applied to any network.  The cellular companies
will only continue to push the capacity limits further and further as demand
requires it.  Coverage is the key and how well the network hands off
traffic.  With the old Sprint data card I drove from DFW to Riggins, ID and
then back by way of Aspen, CO.  Rarely did I not have coverage driving
70MPH+...as long as I was in Sprint coverage my data card worked.

The new Sprint data card I have is even better with lower latency and speeds
up to 1.5Mbps and if I visit any number of places including Sun Valley, Boca
Raton or Rancho Santa Fe I'll have service.  The same can't be said for any
Muni-WiFi solution.

Best,


Brad





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:44 AM
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Check back in with us in a year and let us know how that cell data card 
is working.  If you thought the oversubscription on dialup lines was 
bad, wait until more people get on the cellular data networks.  Talk 
about something that will not scale when the data hits it - wow.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Brad Belton wrote:
> I wasn't going to pipe in on this topic, but George hit it square on the
> head: Cellular.
>
> Laptops are now available with built-in cellular data cards.  This trend
> will only continue as the cellular data rates continue to increase.  My
> Sprint data card pretty consistently pulls 500Kbps and can peak at nearly
> 1.5Mbps.  This is far better than many WiFi hotspots I have connected to
and
> certainly better than any Muni-WiFi system I've seen.
>
> Pure coverage alone will give the cellular networks a huge advantage over
> any muni system.  I can guarantee you the next laptop I buy will have a
> cellular data card built-in.  
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of George Rogato
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 4:07 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi
>
> Tom DeReggi wrote:
>
>   
>> My arguement is that the biggest prospective client for use of a mobile 
>> network is the governement. If you give service to them free or without 
>> financial contribution from them, its just plain stupid in my mind.
>> 
>
>
> But what about cellular?
>
> Aren't they posed best to take advantage of mobile customers because 
> they are all theirs anyways?
> Sprint just announced they will be doing mobile wimax. Verizon already 
> has a decent nation wide high speed mobile internet access product that 
> a lot of law enforcement are all ready using in the plice cars.
>
> And just this morning we heard  about 4g cellular delivering 100megs to 
> the police car at 37 miles per hour.
>
> How does muni fit into the future that will be dominated by cellular?
>
>
> George
>
>
>   

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RE: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi

[Brian Webster]

Matt,
The cellular folks have been quietly improving their data network
capability. Their biggest problem to date was the T1 backhauls from the
tower sites. These were already loaded with voice traffic. In many markets
there are aggressive programs underway to replace all the T1's with licensed
microwave backhaul with much more bandwidth. Cellular has the advantage of
cleaner spectrum and lower noise floors. It has been proven that they can
deliver over the air rates necessary, once they fix the backhaul bottleneck
they will be serious competitors. Remember they also get to leverage their
already existing tower network. Sprint/Nextel even has the advantage of all
that 2.5 GHz spectrum they just announced their WIMAX plans for.
One of the major players for giving them wireless backhaul is FiberTower
who just merged with First Avenue Networks. This gives them instant access
to a lot of spectrum all over the US. While this may not be good news to
most of the folks on this list, there is an upside. The telcos are going to
lose a lot of business from them dropping those expensive $1200 per month T1
circuits to each and every tower site.that should effect some
numbers for those guys.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com 


-Original Message-
From: Matt Larsen - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi


Check back in with us in a year and let us know how that cell data card
is working.  If you thought the oversubscription on dialup lines was
bad, wait until more people get on the cellular data networks.  Talk
about something that will not scale when the data hits it - wow.

Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Brad Belton wrote:
> I wasn't going to pipe in on this topic, but George hit it square on the
> head: Cellular.
>
> Laptops are now available with built-in cellular data cards.  This trend
> will only continue as the cellular data rates continue to increase.  My
> Sprint data card pretty consistently pulls 500Kbps and can peak at nearly
> 1.5Mbps.  This is far better than many WiFi hotspots I have connected to
and
> certainly better than any Muni-WiFi system I've seen.
>
> Pure coverage alone will give the cellular networks a huge advantage over
> any muni system.  I can guarantee you the next laptop I buy will have a
> cellular data card built-in.  
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of George Rogato
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 4:07 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi
>
> Tom DeReggi wrote:
>
>
>> My arguement is that the biggest prospective client for use of a mobile
>> network is the governement. If you give service to them free or without
>> financial contribution from them, its just plain stupid in my mind.
>>
>
>
> But what about cellular?
>
> Aren't they posed best to take advantage of mobile customers because
> they are all theirs anyways?
> Sprint just announced they will be doing mobile wimax. Verizon already
> has a decent nation wide high speed mobile internet access product that
> a lot of law enforcement are all ready using in the plice cars.
>
> And just this morning we heard  about 4g cellular delivering 100megs to
> the police car at 37 miles per hour.
>
> How does muni fit into the future that will be dominated by cellular?
>
>
> George
>
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Self Adhesive Mini PCB supports for Mikrotik

[Brian Rohrbacher]

FYI
Shipment came in and they fit in the RB 532 holes perfect AND the card 
will fit under the board with mmcx pigtail and there is room (about 1/16 
inch).

Looks good to me.

Brian

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

https://secure.microplastics.com/detail.asp?part=minilockpcbsupport&fam=cbhardware 



They have them in stock now.  I remember there was some talk about 
these a while ago. $50 min order so I just got 400 or so of the self 
adhesive PCB supports. I got the 5/8 standoff (should be able to fit 
the cards under the board too)


I don't need 400, so if anyone wants a few, let me know.
Otherwise, just letting ya'll know they are in stock.

www.microplastics.com


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Re: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Check back in with us in a year and let us know how that cell data card 
is working.  If you thought the oversubscription on dialup lines was 
bad, wait until more people get on the cellular data networks.  Talk 
about something that will not scale when the data hits it - wow.


Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Brad Belton wrote:

I wasn't going to pipe in on this topic, but George hit it square on the
head: Cellular.

Laptops are now available with built-in cellular data cards.  This trend
will only continue as the cellular data rates continue to increase.  My
Sprint data card pretty consistently pulls 500Kbps and can peak at nearly
1.5Mbps.  This is far better than many WiFi hotspots I have connected to and
certainly better than any Muni-WiFi system I've seen.

Pure coverage alone will give the cellular networks a huge advantage over
any muni system.  I can guarantee you the next laptop I buy will have a
cellular data card built-in.  

Best,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George Rogato
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 4:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi

Tom DeReggi wrote:

  
My arguement is that the biggest prospective client for use of a mobile 
network is the governement. If you give service to them free or without 
financial contribution from them, its just plain stupid in my mind.




But what about cellular?

Aren't they posed best to take advantage of mobile customers because 
they are all theirs anyways?
Sprint just announced they will be doing mobile wimax. Verizon already 
has a decent nation wide high speed mobile internet access product that 
a lot of law enforcement are all ready using in the plice cars.


And just this morning we heard  about 4g cellular delivering 100megs to 
the police car at 37 miles per hour.


How does muni fit into the future that will be dominated by cellular?


George


  


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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] climbing belt ** IMPORTANT**

[Mario Pommier]

I bought mine from Tessco.
It was $500+: more than well worth it.
Thanks for the post Marlon.

Mario

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


fyi

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
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- Original Message - From: "Tim Duffy K3LR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "TOWER TALK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] climbing belt ** IMPORTANT**


One other important point, NEVER borrow or lend a tower belt/harness 
from or to someone else.

Your LIFE is on the line.
If you lend your belt/harness to someone you do not know what may 
have happened to it while it

was
being used by someone else. They DO break!
Your LIFE is on the line.
If you borrow a belt/harness you have no idea of the history of the 
belt. They DO break!

Your LIFE is on the line.

NEVER FREE CLIMB. You must be attached to the tower AT ALL TIMES!
DO NOT RISK YOUR LIFE!

If you cannot purchase and use your own belt/harness, you should not 
climb at all. It is that

simple.

I have had close Ham friends DIE due to PREVENTABLE tower accidents.
I was a part of a serious tower accident when I was 16 (I have the 
scar to prove it).

I have climbed for 32 years. All the way to 1000 feet.
We have read about Hams becoming SK because of PREVENTABLE mistakes 
on towers.


Please, please take the advise of the professionals here on this list.

This is a VERY serious issue. Your LIFE is on the line.

Please be safe.
73!
Tim K3LR


Chris Bolton wrote:


I buy most of my tower stuff from Midwest unlimited.
http://www.midwestunlimited.com/
Chris

Merlin-7 KI4ILB wrote:
>  Where is the best place to buy a tower safety climbing belt.?
>
>  I have been using a homemade one that has been fine for a 40' 
tower > but a bit cumbersome.

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[WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] climbing belt ** IMPORTANT**

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

fyi

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Duffy K3LR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "TOWER TALK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] climbing belt ** IMPORTANT**


One other important point, NEVER borrow or lend a tower belt/harness from 
or to someone else.

Your LIFE is on the line.
If you lend your belt/harness to someone you do not know what may have 
happened to it while it

was
being used by someone else. They DO break!
Your LIFE is on the line.
If you borrow a belt/harness you have no idea of the history of the belt. 
They DO break!

Your LIFE is on the line.

NEVER FREE CLIMB. You must be attached to the tower AT ALL TIMES!
DO NOT RISK YOUR LIFE!

If you cannot purchase and use your own belt/harness, you should not climb 
at all. It is that

simple.

I have had close Ham friends DIE due to PREVENTABLE tower accidents.
I was a part of a serious tower accident when I was 16 (I have the scar to 
prove it).

I have climbed for 32 years. All the way to 1000 feet.
We have read about Hams becoming SK because of PREVENTABLE mistakes on 
towers.


Please, please take the advise of the professionals here on this list.

This is a VERY serious issue. Your LIFE is on the line.

Please be safe.
73!
Tim K3LR


Chris Bolton wrote:


I buy most of my tower stuff from Midwest unlimited.
http://www.midwestunlimited.com/
Chris

Merlin-7 KI4ILB wrote:
>  Where is the best place to buy a tower safety climbing belt.?
>
>  I have been using a homemade one that has been fine for a 40' tower 
> but a bit cumbersome.

>
>  Joe
> ___
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Best VAR's

[Tom DeReggi]

Mike,

I think you summed it up pretty well.

I think the problem is that there is an identity crisis in the 
Distribution/VAR/Manufacturer businesses.
I don't think its the fault of the vendors, but just the nature of a 
competitive industry.  Everyone's looking for a way to cut some costs to be 
more competitive.
Everyone thinks they can do better than the other guy. When something is 
working or not working, somebody is always trying to find a better way.
As a result everyone tries to be everything to everyone, or tries to 
replicate what someone else is doing that appeared to be working.  Then 
somebody always tries to cut someone out of the loop, so the person cut out 
of the loop then tries to fight back and cut someone else out of the loop. 
Everyone wants to get as close to the manufacturer as possible, every one 
wants to get as close to the client as possible. Then support comes to play, 
and then everyone realizes why they want to hide and get as far away from 
the customer as possible. Then finance, availabilty, or lack of competition 
to effect change comes to play, and everyone learns why they need to get as 
far away as possible from the manufacturer.  Its vicious cycle that 
constantly changes and goes around in circles.  It would be OK, if everyone 
learned from the mistakes, but what usually happens is that history repeats 
itself and the cycle goes around and around in circles. But thats not the 
vendor's fault, times change, and what worked in the past may not still work 
later down the road. And peoples business change, and sometimes jsut want to 
do something new, or capitolize on the talents of a new asset or staff 
member.  This creates the identity crisis.
I think the most successful vendors (distributors/VARs/Manufacturer) are the 
ones that solve this identity crisis and are clear on exactly what it is 
that they want to be, and the roile they need to play, and the advantage of 
what they offer.


For distribution its simple: "availabilty and finance".  Get gear to people 
quicker, consolidate shipping costs nationwide to lower end cost of to 
delivery locally quicker. Thats what a distributor does. And the distributer 
that does it best will have the abilty to acheive lowest cost and the most 
clients.  But I do not think that "distribution" necessarilly has to limit 
target client base or deliver lowest price.  That is another issue realted 
to "margin".  I think the mistakes distributors make is that they confuse 
needing "margin" with "adding value". Margin is tied to the type of client 
and the cost to support them. You charge more margin if the customer will be 
more headache such as lower volume purchases or less loyal in its buying 
patterns, or typically pays 30 days late. Charging higher margin allows a 
distributor to keep those difficult client and still ahve financial gain, 
effectively increasing volume and profits.  Where the problem comes in is 
"adding value", what everyone typically wants to do to increase margins. 
But by adding value often the end result is the distributor crosses the line 
of their role, and often gains an identity crisis of what they are.  A 
distributor adding value is really a Mega-VAR. Their is nothing wrong with 
that, but its a good way to alienate a VAR channel. And the Mega-VAR should 
expect a certain amount of the VAR channel to reciprocate and try to go 
around them.  So I think a distributor needs to be careful about what value 
it is that they add, meaning adding value to make them a better distriubtor 
compared to adding value that someone else lower in the food chain already 
offers.


But the big secret is realizing the core essential value a company uniquely 
offers.  I've had difficulty with this in my own business. For example, a 
WISP can't be both the best distributor and the best ISP, they are two 
different businesses with contradicting demand.  In our case even deciding 
what message goes on marketing mailers.  What is it exactly that WISPs 
provide?


We learned some of our core unique benefits were
"Broadband is already in the building" -  quick guaranteed availability.
"If your business lost Broadband for a day, what would it cost you?"  - 2 hr 
repair time, true diverse path redundancy, again optimizing availabilty to 
broadband.

These are things that we can uniquely offer that are worth paying for.

I can attempt to sell 99.99% reliabilty, lower price, better service, faster 
speed, until I am blue in the face, and deliver those features in many 
cases, or possibly the best compromise of all three. But the truth is, 
everyone else also can offer those messages in some shape or form.  If you 
look long enough, there will always be someone faster or someone cheaper. 
I'm more effective selling availabilty, my unique asset to my targeted 
prospects. (Why I can offer availabilty better, is another discussion).
If it all boils down to one core thing, "availabilty", why do we bother with 
any other messages?


I t

[WISPA] 15 ghz?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Title: 15 ghz?






I have been offered some  DS3 15 ghz Links, whats the scoop on 15 ghz in FCC land ?

Gino A. Villarini

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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145




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[WISPA] service level agreement (sla) for point-to-point

[Mario Pommier]

Does anyone have a standard (template) for service level agreement for a 
dedicated point-to-point wireless connection that I can look at as a sample?
I've been asked by the hospital/radiology I'm quoting this option to.  
It's a replacement to a landline DS3.

Thanks in advance.

Mario

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[WISPA] Caveats for TV transmitter tower installs?

[Mark Koskenmaki]

There is a possiblity I might be on, or feeding a TV transmitter facility
(or  both).

What should I know or do in preparation for, this?   The site has a 200 foot
tower, 300,000 KW eirp.  I've driven by it and I get a nasty taste in my
mouth and everything in my truck shocked me when I touched metal.

I would expect to need some kind of special precautions here,
equipment-wise.No, i'm not climbing or anything else...




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