Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-07-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
John, I support that opinion. I was never for splitting the band. That was always the worst choice in my opinion. I was not against WiMax use of it, I was just dead against Full Licensing of any of it, liek the WIMax guys originally were asking for. Although a mute point for me, as I'm in a

Re: [WISPA] Spam from ligowave?

2008-07-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
Not only is Ligowave a WISPA member, but... If you read your Ligowave advertisement, you might actually learn about a really cool product. I wouldn't advise opting out. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-07-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
Every once in a while you read a post, that you say, I'm really glad I read that. That was one of them. Well said. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-07-03 Thread Harold Bledsoe
I agree that CBP should not have been a requirement for the hardware. A listen before you speak protocol makes some bad assumptions about the chances of a successful packet delivery. For example, on a longer PTP link, just because there is noise at the transmitter, it does not mean that there is

Re: [WISPA] Spam from ligowave?

2008-07-03 Thread Harold Bledsoe
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Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-07-03 Thread David Peterson
There are cheaper options than 10k per sector but you are correct that's about the going rate between 10 and 15k per sector. However, this equipment is not anywhere near the same as the tinker toys as Scriv puts it. This equipment will last you much longer than the commodity equipment. It's

[WISPA] People just don't want broadband

2008-07-03 Thread Mike Hammett
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Re: [WISPA] People just don't want broadband

2008-07-03 Thread Frank Muto
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Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-07-03 Thread Mike Hammett
I know it's done all the time, but I don't believe in wrecking a company just to sell it (not that I plan on selling my operation). From a buyer's perspective, I would rather the company hadn't converted operations lately just so that I could convert to what I wanted without having just bought

[WISPA] Looking to buy - SU-A-5.3-xx-VL's

2008-07-03 Thread Cliff LeBoeuf
I am looking for a couple of Alvarion Subscriber units P/N SU-A-5.3-6-BD-VL or SU-A-5.3-54-BD-VL. If you have any, new or USED, please send asking price and qty off-line. Cliff LeBoeuf 985-879-3219 www.cssla.com www.triparish.net This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain

Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-07-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
Its irrelevent how long the equipment will last, if the company that deploys it does not last. Its all about cash flow and healthy financials, not spec sheets. 10k-15k a sector is Huge. I hope these manufacturers, make it affordable, before the market is over. how much more do you think you

Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-07-03 Thread chris cooper
I think it's very important to remember the cost of the CPE in this equation. The CPE will be the primary driver in your ROI. If you can spread the fixed cost of the AP over a large number of subs, obviously the cost to add a user declines each time you add another sub. However, if the CPE

Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-07-03 Thread Matt Liotta
The WiMAX vendors are focused on the cost of the CPE; not the sector. CPE can be had for anywhere between $200 and $500 currently depending on vendor and volume. Vendors are working to get that price down with a 12 month target of being under $100. The oversubscription you can do on a

Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-07-03 Thread Matt Liotta
The economics is simple with WiMAX. Either high revenue customers or lots of customers. If you don't have the volume or the revenue there are plenty of other cost effective solutions. -Matt On Jul 3, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been seeing WiMAX CPE for $500 - $1000 in

Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-07-03 Thread Scottie Arnett
I agree with what John is saying in most part. The reluctance to fully support 3.65Ghz may be the cost for some, I know it is me. It is hard to justify spending 3x to Nx for a 3.65Ghz AP or SM. Another problem I have with 3.65Ghz is the NLOS problems. Where I operate we have hills, and lots of

Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-07-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
Low CPE cost Excellent Point. However, its also important to be realistic about how many subs will occur on a sector. Our network has an average ratio of CPEs per AP of about 7. CPE cost has little effect on ROI in that condition. But yes agreed, if you can get the sub count up per sector

Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-07-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
Matt, Are you finding that the low noise floor (free spectrum) enabling high modulations are getting you the more CPE per sector, or are you finding that the WiMax protocol is delivering better results than other proprietary TDD based systems of equivellent modulations? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL

Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-07-03 Thread reader
I know that a certain number of us ARE going to build a network for the sole purpose of suckering...errr, selling it to someone else. Now, I have severe ethical disagreements with this notion. It reminds me of flipping houses or speculative oil investing, perhaps? Now, to build a business

Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-07-03 Thread Steve Barnes
Our network has an average ratio of CPEs per AP of about 7. CPE cost has little effect on ROI in that condition. Not so sure I understand this statement. If I currently pay $175/ CPE and a Wimax CPE is $500 That greatly affects my ROI. If your saying from an earlier thread that once a CPE is

Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-07-03 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Hmmm, didn't realize flipping houses was an ethical gray area... (gosh, buy a distressed property, gut and redo the kitchen and bathroom, give it some landscaping- and make some dough. That is unethical? You know some of the original colonies of the new world had rules against charging

[WISPA] Trango 900 SU

2008-07-03 Thread chris cooper
Does anybody have any pricing on Trango 900 SU 10 pk? Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-07-03 Thread chris cooper
Id have to say that the current landscape makes the oil investors look pretty sharp as well. I know the roughnecks around here poured some serious money into those holes they punched in the ground. I think they are pumping plenty of dollars back out now. chris -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-07-03 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Yeah, I got no problem with drilling for oil or any mineral. Actually even trading in options and derivatives is fine with me. Sub prime predatory lending is on the other side of the fence along with payday lenders, but we all have a line that we will not cross. Not my day to judge. -

[WISPA] Opinion - Licensed P2P Link

2008-07-03 Thread Cliff LeBoeuf
I am considering upgrading a P2P link that is 18 miles to a licensed link. It appears that Trango has attractive pricing on their Gigalink solution. We have used Trango equipment and have experienced the good and bad. However, I am overall pleased with the company and their products. I would

Re: [WISPA] Opinion - Licensed P2P Link

2008-07-03 Thread Travis Johnson
I would suggest the 11ghz with 4ft dishes, just because of the smaller dish size. Especially if you have a backup link in place. Travis Microserv Cliff LeBoeuf wrote: I am considering upgrading a P2P link that is 18 miles to a licensed link. It appears that Trango has attractive pricing on

[WISPA] RB333 heat

2008-07-03 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, With temps now hitting 95F in the late afternoon, we are seeing several RB333 boards shut down and/or reboot. Once it cools down they go back to running fine. We have seen 5 boards out of 50 we have installed fail. They are all in DCE cases. Just wanted to share with everyone in case they

Re: [WISPA] RB333 heat

2008-07-03 Thread Randy Cosby
Ow, definitely don't want to install those here in St. George. It gets down to 95 around midnight... Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, With temps now hitting 95F in the late afternoon, we are seeing several RB333 boards shut down and/or reboot. Once it cools down they go back to running fine.

Re: [WISPA] RB333 heat

2008-07-03 Thread Travis Johnson
I'm sure it's the sun hitting the DCE case with the temp being 95F... ;) Travis Randy Cosby wrote: Ow, definitely don't want to install those here in St. George. It gets down to 95 around midnight... Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, With temps now hitting 95F in the late

Re: [WISPA] RB333 heat

2008-07-03 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Once upon a time, a man said that hell was full so they sent him to St. Geo. - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB333 heat Ow, definitely don't want to install

Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-07-03 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Yeahbut, recognizing an arbitrage opportunity does not trigger my ethical shutdown circuit. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and

[WISPA] Inscape Data

2008-07-03 Thread Rudy Worrell
Does anyone have any experience with Inscape Data? What is the AB54 2.1 like? What about support? Anything would be much appreciated Rudy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP

2008-07-03 Thread John Scrivner
I do not think we should build our networks for the sole purpose of suckering, err, selling to someone else. I do believe that I want anything I build to have value in the event I do sell. That is not suckering anyone. Why not build something that holds value or appreciates in value? I know a