Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

I've been through the Lee, IL site now owned by Terry Michaels. Nice place. I haven't been there in a few years, though. He's got quite a write up on that one now. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

Lyons was one of the power feed stations. Very cool place. It is now in private ownership - a telephone collector owns it. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

I thought Lyons sounded familiar... a coax route went from a facility near here to that facility. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "jp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1

Re: [WISPA] layer 2 vs layer 3 wireless mesh networks

Wow. I'm in a presentation on that right now. Haha Ill send a copy of the slides when I have them. --Original Message-- From: Rogelio Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] layer 2 vs layer 3 wireless mes

[WISPA] layer 2 vs layer 3 wireless mesh networks

I'm looking for info on differences between layer 2 and layer 3 mesh networks. From what I can tell, it's something like the following: layer 2: manageable via IP address, but you really only control the PHY/DATA link layer "stuff" (channels, 802.1Q VLAN tagging, 802.11e, etc) layer 3: some ot

[WISPA] ISPCON Coming Up soon

ISPCON will be at San Jose on Nov. 11 and 12th. The WISPA reception will be at 6:30 on Tuesday evening, Nov. 11th. We would like to get an idea how many WISPs and Vendors will be attending for catering estimations and other logistical scheduling. If you plan to go to ISP

[WISPA] Any Optigold Experts Out there

I know you're hiding somewhere... Ping me offlist -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mail

[WISPA] Vox makes Press Release

http://www.wispa.org/?p=284 Rick Harnish General Manager - Midwest Region Great American Broadband 260-827-2482 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ ---

Re: [WISPA] ISPs in US

Tom DeReggi wrote: > There had been numerous counts in excess of 7000, and some counts as high as > 10,000. > That was before we were counting WISPs. I have no idea where this is > recorded factually. Heck, before you can even count ISPs you have to define ISP. Depending on how picky you want

Re: [WISPA] ISPs in US

There had been numerous counts in excess of 7000, and some counts as high as 10,000. That was before we were counting WISPs. I have no idea where this is recorded factually. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Mario Pom

[WISPA] Testing radio cards

Is there a good way to test how a radio card is performing? I have several mini-PCI radios, XR2, CM-9, etc, that I need to determine if they are performing to specification. They are in the office on the bench. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.

Re: [WISPA] ISPs in US

Matt Larsen's WISP Directory http://www.wispdirectory.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 4:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ISPs in US Anybody have a ballpark number for the am

[WISPA] ISPs in US

Anybody have a ballpark number for the amount if ISP's in the United States? Or a site I can go find this out? Thanks. Mario WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ ---

[WISPA] Done loving this thread

True, AT&T and the department of defense were best buddies. I remember HVAC systems in the TD-2 microwave systems that kept heaters and airconditioners running all year long so they could simply mix the air to get the temp they wanted. Gold plated system. But it was a good system. Part of th

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount

Iirc alvarion vl are 55 vdc Gino -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount Yes, the first place to start is to determine the Alvarion specs. 1) Max power or ampera

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount

http://www.cablesandkits.com/cisco-3500-series-port-poe-switch-wsc3524pwrxlen-p-869.html How about one of these puppies? Someone on the star forums said they used a cisco 3500 poe switch and it fired up a 48v wp188 board. -

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount

Yes, the first place to start is to determine the Alvarion specs. 1) Max power or amperage draw from the Alvarion VLs, and 2) min and max Voltage tolerance. I don;t have that answer for you. But please share it, when you find out :-) The general rule is, you can make a combine POE system to s

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

I am an avid AT&T long lines historian. AT&T made lots of federal money. Cost plus. Thats how most of it worked. I own some of the big AT&T junctions that included fall out shelters, blast doors, etc, as well as many repeater sites. Those sites were built on tarrifs, that called for their cons

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

I don't know about local stuff, but what I read about the history of AT&T Longlines is that it must have been heavily government funded for federal defense and communications interests. Here is one example http://long-lines.net/places-routes/Lyons_NE/index.html They must have been either richer

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount

All of your questions Tom are important and have taken those into consideration. Right now, I just want to figure out if anybody has done it and how. We have made a POE system that puts out 48volt and it works on the bench with VL units, but when there is a significant cable run it stops workin

[WISPA] OT: For the phone guys.

We started out as a dial-up ISP and still have some dial-up customers. My question: is it right for a telco to charge termination fees on truck side channelized T1's? These are not PRI's. I have saw termination fees on data lines, but not on channelized. This one telco in particular charges me $

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

My big problem with the USF fund is that it was designed to help recover the cost to serve rural communities. If this is the case then why does my rural community not have the same services as the metro ones. I live in an Embarq served area. They offer Metro E types of service in most all of

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

It might not be a tax, but its worse than one. It is a program that forces consumers to pay more money if they want to use a telephone in suburban/urban America, to help fund monoply or ILEC status control in underserved markets, instead of foster competition. The purpose of USF is that the un

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

Personally, I feel you cant always have your cake and eat it to. Some people move to the booneys for a reason. If those 30 people really choose to live that far out, do they really need broadband? I can give an example of myself, where I owned a half mil property where I had wanted to live, but

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

That is a very good link. I presume anyone that wanted to dip into the USF pot filed comments? I know I did. - Original Message - From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF > Un

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

I'll put it this way, at one telco I know, a disgruntled accountant called the State AG office and made a claim of cross subsidizes. The financial crimes division threw the general manager up against the wall in front of his board of directors and hand cuffed him and hauled him away. 2 years

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

Universal Service Reform and Universal Broadband: http://www.benton.org/node/8969 Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Cliff LeBoeuf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:07:12 -0500 >Chuck..."WE" may not cross subsid

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount

I have got to put a plug in for the "SuperRMS". We just installed our second unit. Just a great box for doing DC power control (or AC if you want). Pricey, but very flexibile and powerful. Also has temperature, voltage measurent, alarm contact monitoring, USB port with camera drivers, alert

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

Chuck..."WE" may not cross subsidize, but I bet it would be hard convince all of us that "others" don't. On 10/9/08 11:35 AM, "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are still forbidden to cross subsidize. > - Original Message - > From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To:

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount

There are three questions that come up... 1) Redundancy 2) minimizing impact of failure 3) Ability to remote reboot. We had chosen to stay with individual AC Adapter POE systems, for the above reasons. The individual AC PS adapter plugged into the AC style Digital Logger reboot device. If a PS

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

The hell it ain't a tax! It is "taxing" on my buying power! :) Also, wouldn't it fit in this definition? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax A tax "is not a voluntary payment or donation, but an enforced contribution, exacted pursuant to legislative authority" and is "any contribution imposed by gov

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

The "government" doesn't pay for anything. "WE" do the citizens who pay taxes... On 10/9/08 10:29 AM, "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hold your horses there Marlon... the government pays... the government pays > for USF??? > No, it is industry supported. 100% of the revenue comes fr

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

Chuck McCown wrote: > It is like sausage. ... > It is private enterprise socialism administered by the federal govt. As opposed to "what the market will bear" decisions we evil capitalists prefer ;) Randy WISPA Wa

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

Reading the post makes all the difference. I never NEVER said Marlon babbled. NEVER. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" S

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

It is like sausage. (this a gross oversimplification, there are whole industries of cost consultants that specialize in doing the accounting for telephone companies) We have 5 main categories of expense. Interstate to interstate Interstate to interLATA interLATA to Interstate InterLATA to interLAT

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

We are still forbidden to cross subsidize. - Original Message - From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF > The FCC had it right with the Computer Inquiries Acts several years ago

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

No, AT&T and smaller independents made money. They were profitable. They used profits to grow their company, just like you did. At some point AT&T was forced to share some of its profit with the smaller companies to help them be profitable as well. Then the rural electrification administratio

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

The FCC had it right with the Computer Inquiries Acts several years ago. The telco and ISP functions had to be seperate entities and their could be no cross subsidization. Somewhere along the time that ISP's and internet became big buisness, all that went to heck in a hand basket. Scottie

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

Chuck, I was speaking about more recent times, not the origination of the system and it's beginnings. What I am referring to is exactly what you said is - "Government regulation stepped in to create the monopoly and to tax it". The current phone system was "built out" with much funding coming from

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

Chuck, Moving off the debate topic a little, I do have an honest question (not baiting, I promise) I was wondering if you could shed some light on. Maybe the answer is much longer than can be explained on the list. How is USF contribution calculated? If I recall, it changes from time to time,

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

Sour Grapes If you want USF go get some e rate or file to become a telephone company and serve places like Dangling Rope, Utah. I see continual whining by WISPS about USF and RUS funds. Folks, you can get those dollars if you want. Just like doctors can get medicare dollars if they want to go t

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

The phone system was not developed by tax dollars. It was developed by guys like Art Brothers who hand built miles of open wire pole lines by himself. He later got loans from the REA (later to become the RUS) to improve his system. A program that serves as a profit center for the us government.

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

Chuck, so your definition of a "tax" is if you are forced to pay? Keeping in mind that the phone system was developed as a public utility by tax dollars that we all were forced to pay. IMO, that means that we should be able use it without being encumbered by fees other than what are necessary to su

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

Use magic jack, ham radio, smoke signals, skype or the post office. Your telephone bill comes from a commercial enterprise. You do not have to participate. Therefore you are not forced to pay into our charity program. That is not a tax. - Original Message - From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

I'll stand up for Marlon here: He is a veteran WISP'er and I have never seen him post "babble" let alone "mindless". I worked for a phone company - it is a racket. -RickG On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Blake Bowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chucks business knowledge has proven to be right on

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

I think that's a distinction without a difference. If the government requires the collection of the funds, then it is a "tax" even if they don't actually collect or hold the money. The government controls the distribution of the funds, either directly or through regulations. It's a government pr

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

Tacking a fee on my telephone bill is a form of taxation. -RickG On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The current USF audits by USAC are turning up collusion between school > districts (the principle is the brother of the local ISP) and provider of > goods and

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

It is not supported by a government tax, but it is supported by a varying fee that a private company charges and the government requires you to pay. That's a tax wearing a mask. I support the need for USF, but the situation Marlon describes is crap. I can't get a landline here for $30 (70 mile

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

The current USF audits by USAC are turning up collusion between school districts (the principle is the brother of the local ISP) and provider of goods and services of E-rate funded projects. The audits have not shown any telephone company to be misusing this money. And I want to repeat, this i

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

Hold your horses there Marlon... the government pays... the government pays for USF??? No, it is industry supported. 100% of the revenue comes from telecommunications companies and is returned to telecommunications companies. - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROT

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

The USF is solvent, it not supported by tax dollars and does its job in getting phone service to every last barn and sagebrush that needs it. I would say it works better than the mortgage banking industry, social security or the national budget... - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. S

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

Also, as stated by my local telco when they did this, the cost was in trenching, not in fiber. There was less then a 20% difference between the copper and the fiber. The rest of the project, digging, trenching, pulling, was the same no matter what they did. On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Blake Bo

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

Its sort of like the grants I get for my Fire Department. I don't think it is the federal governments place to fund the fire service BUT as long as those grant programs are out there, it would be a disservice to my patrons for me NOT to take advantage of them. As long as the USF money is there,

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

Just because the government will pay for it in no way makes it a good idea :-). Chuck is good at working the system as it exists for his industry. I can't fault him (too much) for that. I wish I were in a similar situation. My frustration isn't that USF exists as much as it is that USF is bei

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

In all honesty, it's turned into quite a scam hasn't it. About is rampant from what I see. marlon - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF > It is a cos

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

Not if USF is covering the difference. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:24 AM To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

Chucks business knowledge has proven to be right on so far, I suspect you don't have a clue about the situation and therefore posted mindless babble Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message --

Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!!

If you are running a hundred miles of fiber for 30 people you are not right in the head... Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: It is a cost recovery mechanism. I got audited by USAC this year to prove that the USF we receive is to cover the costs of providing the service. But think how expens

[WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount

I have a bunch of Stand Alone 5.8 VL AU gear, I want to make a 12 port rack mount power supply for it. Has anybody tried this? Thank You, Cameron Kilton WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -

Re: [WISPA] Rackmount PoE

I'm looking for something like this: http://www.panduit.com/stellent/images/panduit/standard/N%23DPoE24U1X-lb.jpg It was hard to see in that picture what was going on. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --