I have decided that the FCC will get my Form 477 when I get around to
it. I'm not dropping everything in a mad scramble to fill out the
information.
Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com
Dylan Bouterse wrote:
I had the same problem! How can they have some of the error checking
they have, and not
Have you priced building your own fiber? If costs are that high and
fiber transport is that scarce then you could certainly find many who
would buy an exit ramp on your information super-highway if you
build your own fiber. It has a life cycle of up to 30 plus years so
you should be able to
Fair enough -- so say you're in the sticks...and you pay $400 / Mb
Chances are...the nearest fiber / colo facility that's $50 / Mb is now 100+
miles away -- 100+ miles of wireless infrastructure + associated hardware
investments / maintenance expenses / etc still cost more than the cost savings
I guess I still forget that not everyone is on 95th percentile billing
-Charles
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of George Rogato
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 11:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of
Again -- it depends where you are and who you have to deal with. within
the first 20 miles or so of our city you have to pay the city $2 a foot for
the permit and then some fee each month, directional bore each road with
its own permit and engineering etc.
A L3 guy told me their costs to
Lists,
What Licensed Link Equipment support Spacial diversity?
Trango? DW Horizon?
I would assume Alcatel, Harris and Ceragon Do
Im plannig a couple of long links over the ocean, altough I have plenty
of height to overcome direct reflections on sea, I would like the added
bennefit ...
Or
My understanding the old Orthagon (now canopy) supports this. At least they
used to brag how good they where over water.
/Eje
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I would avoid Ceragon like the plague. Took months (years?) to get
the bug fix for an ARP table problem calling them weekly.
On 3/22/09, e...@wisp-router.com e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
My understanding the old Orthagon (now canopy) supports this. At least they
used to brag how good they where
They do, but they are not licensed
Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com
Sent: Sunday, March
A lot of this is educational for me, but I do have
a couple of thoughts.
If you are having to hop microwave 10 hops to get to your
intended target, would it not be possible to put an AP on
each tower along the way, providing service to those
areas also, to help subsidize the costs?
And what
Hi,
Honestly for us, even in the middle of NoWhere, Idaho... our total
bandwidth costs (for three OC-3 connections) is only 11% of our total
expenses. Yes, I'm always interested in saving money, but it's going to
be much easier to save on things like payroll that account for 36% of
our
What is the cost of aerial fiber these days? I know it depends on number of
strands and technology, so if someone were going to do this in a small city,
what type would you want to use? Around here, the electric company gets around
$8/yr/pole to use their poles. Under normal conditions, how
I agree with you on that. So many fixes that create other bugs. Hopefully
with the new Bertram ownership, this will stabilize. They have been more
responsive lately, though, when we do find bugs.
Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop, Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
http://www.unwiredwest.com
I was just quoted .23 per foot for 64 strands. Figure 8 type construction.
Dry, loose tube.
ryan
-Original Message-
From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 12:20 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth
What is
That comes to $24,288 for 20 miles aerial fiber with 64 strands.
Obviously this does not include easements, make ready, labor, etc. but
obviously the costs to put in fiber have dropped considerably over the
last few years. What brand fiber / supplier quoted you this if you do
not mind me asking?
Aerial only costs like $5k - $7k/mile. It also has a lower amount of
incidents per mile.
You have to pay the city for within 20 miles of the city? That sounds like
a bunch of horse...
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
A Charter regional construction engineer told me a couple of
years ago that they figure about a buck a foot for the cost of
materials and labor to put in aerial fiber. About 5k a mile.
I suspect it could be done cheaper once you get a handle on
construction costs, etc.
8 bucks a pole is not
I misquoted.. Ugh..
From the excel sheet:
1 M-036-LN-8W-F12NS 74-003-04 $522.12
2 M-072-LN-8W-F12NS 74-009-04 $793.29
Those prices are per 1000 feet.
I belong to a group I reference often, the NCTC. They get pretty good pricing
on top of this
If your city tries charging you BS fees like this then start making FOIA
requests to the city for permit fees etc charged to the telco, power and cable
companies in the area After nervous glances are given to you by the
mayor/city admin you can usually get these fees waived... Quickly... Or
It doesn't matter how many are in town, if none of them will give you
access.
The fact is... Nobody will sell you access to their Fiber near cost to
deploy it, when it will only allow you to compete against their own retail
services.
They will only give you a cost that will allow you to be a
Yeah, agreed It may not save money to do a 10 hop wireless backhaul,
considering colo costs.
But why must the full path be done by either wireless versus fiber? Why not
hybrid?
My point being, if it can be justified doing fiber will save, sure go for
fiber. But I ask, how much of that
Fiber definately has its place and advantages. Nobody will deny that.
Another point of view is... How quickly can you get a grant or loan
application written for Wireless versus fiber?
How realistic is it to pull off your fiber plan versus Wireless, any time
soon?
How quickly can you reap the
YEs, of course. That was always my arguement of why wireless manufacturers
needed to lower their prices on Gigabit wireless technology.
It will almost always be cheaper to do it with laying your own fiber, when
you can, preventing high volume mainstream acceptance of high capacity
wireless.
I was referring to POPs, where they will sell bandwidth. Obviously your
chances in the middle of the line are slim unless you're buying big pipes
(gig+). These companies are in the transit business, not the retail
broadband. That's one reason I avoid recommending buying from ATT,
Verizon,
Matt,
I have pictures to show you...
Believe it or not?
John Rock
Director of Operations - Senior Engineer
Wireless Connections
166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857
ACCessing the Future Today!!
ofc. 419.660.6100
cell 419-706-7356
fax 419-668-4077
http://www.wirelessconnections.net
This
Hi,
We have BridgeMaxx in our area. They are using 2.5ghz licensed with
Alvarion WiMax equipment. This is the "top of the line", $50k per
sector type stuff. Then I can also tell you that we are seeing a LOT of
antennas that have to be mounted outdoors, on a tripod with a 10ft pole
to get over
Plus the cost of the 2.5ghz license in our area... which I heard they
paid like $7,000,000 for (in an area with 50,000 population)... plus the
licensed backhauls (Ceragon 18ghz in a ring), plus tower rent (they are
on the most expensive towers in town).
No wonder they are blowing through
I do not care to see people trashing each other's business models
whether they are cash poor, cash rich or someplace in the middle. I am
actually glad to see some data on this particular model because I
think it actually could work well with $3.6M in yearly revenues. I
think it is impressive. I
Let's see where to start... first, I don't like people or companies
that waste money. These guys are blowing through money because it's not
their money, it's investor money, so they don't care. The people making
the decisions are "employees". They will make $200k per year in salary,
ride it
From your side of this it certainly sounds like you have the edge on
them in the long haul. Investor money will only last so long. I am
surprised it is still there at all if that is all that keeps them
afloat as you are implying. At this point I wish I could get a real
look at their books and
What Scriv said!
John Scrivner wrote:
From your side of this it certainly sounds like you have the edge on
them in the long haul. Investor money will only last so long. I am
surprised it is still there at all if that is all that keeps them
afloat as you are implying. At this point I wish I
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