Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is itgettingbetter?

2009-08-01 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Don't be afraid to get creative with your backup connection. Mine is a $60 a month 6 meg down and 768k up DSL line. Sure we average 12 meg on the bandwidth graph, but it's better than being off. When I have to use the backup I limit all connections to 56k up and 100k down. Brian Tom

Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is itgettingbetter?

2009-08-01 Thread Robert West
Don't be afraid to get creative with your backup connection. Mine is a $60 a month 6 meg down and 768k up DSL line. Sure we average 12 meg on the bandwidth graph, but it's better than being off. When I have to use the backup I limit all connections to 56k up and 100k down. I agree. In

Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

2009-08-01 Thread Chuck Hogg
The chip on the 411 is different than the one on the 433, the 433 has a switch chip built in. We could probably repair the 433/450 as well, but the chip to repair/replace is significantly more expensive. I have not seen as many issues with the 433's blowing, but we seem to blow about 10-20 411's

Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

2009-08-01 Thread jree...@18-30chat.net
OUCH! Now that is a high failure rate. Not a big deal as its the one, but very annoying issue when it first came up. The ping watchdog was on the #2 port. The weather was good so I am really thinking/hope its spiders. If not oh well, its the only non obvious board failure in 5 years. The rest

Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

2009-08-01 Thread Josh Luthman
How does the 493 relate to the 411 and 433? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:36

Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance

2009-08-01 Thread Jerry Richardson
Travis, What antennas are you using at each end to get a 29 mile link at 5.8? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance We have 29 mile ptmp links

[WISPA] Farm Insurance Conflict?

2009-08-01 Thread Robert West
We have been planning on installing an AP on the top of a 100' Harvestore silo. We got the okay from the owner, a farmers widow, and took some measurements and planned out our route and all Just got a call from her nephew saying that they contacted their insurance company and they said

Re: [WISPA] Farm Insurance Conflict?

2009-08-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Call the insurance company and ask them if this is true and if so how. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

Re: [WISPA] Farm Insurance Conflict?

2009-08-01 Thread Blake Bowers
Its not uncommon. Homeowners and Farm polcies often have a clause about a business other than the owners using the property. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Robert West

Re: [WISPA] Farm Insurance Conflict?

2009-08-01 Thread Robert West
Well, they never told me the name of their insurance company and I didn't want to give the impression that I didn't believe them so I didn't push it. I think I'll call our insurance guy on Monday and ask him if there would be any potential conflicts with any farm policies he has ever written. I

Re: [WISPA] Farm Insurance Conflict?

2009-08-01 Thread lakeland
Agreed. Its a non-conforming use so the carrier may have a clause to void complete coverage. This is quite common. Most property owners probably don't ask their carrier so they never know. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers

Re: [WISPA] Farm Insurance Conflict?

2009-08-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Just list them as an also insured. We have to do that with a couple of cities. Check with your agent too. He may have some idea as to what's going on and have ideas about what to do to fix it. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To:

Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is itgettingbetter?

2009-08-01 Thread RickG
So, you can burn a copy of the whole on DVD! On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Don't be afraid to get creative with your backup connection.  Mine is a $60 a month 6 meg down and 768k up DSL line.  Sure we average 12 meg on the bandwidth graph, but

Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is itgettingbetter?

2009-08-01 Thread RickG
Robert, you have two TW connections? Did they charge you double for that? -RickG On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Don't be afraid to get creative with your backup connection.  Mine is a $60 a month 6 meg down and 768k up DSL line.  Sure we average 12

Re: [WISPA] Farm Insurance Conflict?

2009-08-01 Thread RickG
Robert, Its all in how you say it. A statement such as can I call your agent to discuss? Perhaps we can figure out something. This shouldnt make them feel that you dont believe them. -RickG On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Well, they never told me

Re: [WISPA] Farm Insurance Conflict?

2009-08-01 Thread Jack Unger
Ask your insurance company if the owner of the silo can be added as an "additional insured" under your business insurance liability policy. This is standard operating practice for most business liability insurance. If they say yes, then you can go to the silo owners and show them that they

Re: [WISPA] Farm Insurance Conflict?

2009-08-01 Thread Chuck Bartosch
I don't think that helps here, Jack. It sounds to me like the problem is not that the original insurance carrier won't cover Robert's equipment. Robert, after all already has his own insurance. The way I understood Robert's explanation, the carrier will not honor the *original* policy. For

Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is itgettingbetter?

2009-08-01 Thread Robert West
Sort of. The main connection is at full bore price but the secondary is a slower connection, not the 20/20 we have for the main at almost 800 bucks per month. But our salesperson says, and I haven’t had to try it, we can call in and have it moved to full speed in a matter of minutes. We are

Re: [WISPA] Farm Insurance Conflict?

2009-08-01 Thread Robert West
Yeah, that would be the spot not to be in. Something totally unrelated to any equipment of ours happens and their insurance company, who can easily look for a reason to say NO to cover it, comes up with a complicated roundabout way of how it was indeed caused by our equipment denies a claim and

Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Oris itgettingbetter?

2009-08-01 Thread eje
Netflix works great over wireless. I'm my own worst customer. Watch streaming netflix movies frequently and have a wireless link to the house. Granted the AP I'm on has 75% business clients on it and a fairly light customer load on it. But no crashes on it nor complaints from customers on

Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Oris itgettingbetter?

2009-08-01 Thread Robert West
I hesitate to add that she is also a uTorrent and Pirate Bay junkie. She is a little obsessive with it. I've gone as far as throttling her connection at times without her knowing it.. And yeah, I have a thing with redundancy so I'm always looking for and planning for alternative paths in

Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Oris itgettingbetter?

2009-08-01 Thread eje
If you don't have a generator for the office it's good to get one. Natural gas powered generators with auto transfer switches can be had pretty affordable these days. Home depot has a 13kw that is nice and not to expensive. We used it at our old locations. Enough to power all our infrastructure

[WISPA] T1 bandwidth pricing

2009-08-01 Thread Femi Adalemo
Hi friends, I'm conducting some market research and would like to know what T1 pricing between different cities for corporate VPNs has been in your area over the past few months / years, I would also like to know what the breakdown of the pricing is (capacity lease, support, equipment, etc.) any

Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

2009-08-01 Thread Chuck Hogg
Again, different chip. It uses a chip with a switch built into it, unlike the 411 where it is just the Ethernet controller. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

2009-08-01 Thread Josh Luthman
433 and 493 using the same chip then? On 8/1/09, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Again, different chip. It uses a chip with a switch built into it, unlike the 411 where it is just the Ethernet controller. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com

Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports

2009-08-01 Thread Chuck Hogg
Looking at the pictures, it is a different chip. I would have to confirm when I get back to the office to be sure. Same manufacturer, slightly different model it appears. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message-

Re: [WISPA] T1 bandwidth pricing

2009-08-01 Thread Robert West
T1 pricing here in this area, Central Ohio, is just under $800.00 for one point of the route with ATT including internet access. The VPN and equipment is your own doing once it gets to their demarc, at least that's my take on dealing with them. The thing with being between cities, however I

Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9

2009-08-01 Thread Eje Gustafsson
If battery is removed, the power to the radio shuts off. The controller is powered by the battery. There isn't at this time have a way to monitor the battery voltage. They're (Tycon Power) working on it but no telling when they might come up with a solution. I seen some pretty cool devices at

Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9

2009-08-01 Thread Jayson Baker
Why not use a board with a spare Ethernet port (i.e. a 433 or whatever), and wire one port as a loopback through a relay. The relay could be tied to AC, so the Ethernet link would drop if AC went off. If could be tied to the voltage of a DC supply, so you'd know when the DC voltage was high/low.

Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9

2009-08-01 Thread Gino Villarini
Iirc some mikrotik boards report dc voltage Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Aug 1, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: If battery is removed, the power to the radio shuts off. The controller is powered by the battery. There isn't at this time have a way to

Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9

2009-08-01 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Guess that would work to. Have a cheapo 5 port switch plugged into AC that is feeding the UPS and turn on the Ethernet running check on the MTs secondary Ethernet port. If the link fails the running status on the interface will change from running to down and a script could trigger on it. The

Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9

2009-08-01 Thread Jayson Baker
You don't need a switch. You need a $1.30 relay from Radio Shack. The relay connects to the AC and is closed when the AC is high (i.e. there is contact when the power is on). Then you wire it right into the Ethernet port of your RB, creating a loopback There's no need for switches, routers,

Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9

2009-08-01 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Must say that is a pretty cleaver idea. Well worth investigating and testing out. Then on the MT you just look to see if Ethernet link is up or down (ie relay is closed or open). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9

2009-08-01 Thread Eje Gustafsson
You couldn't set a IP on it. At least not with any Linux based AP like MikroTik. If you assign an IP to an interface it will always ping as long as the host board is up and running no matter if you have a Ethernet link or not. But setting on MikroTik disable-running-check=no on that interface

Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9

2009-08-01 Thread Jayson Baker
You're right. I think this was b0rk3n on older versions of MikroTik. When the interface was down, the IP would not reply. But it'd take all of 30 seconds to write a SNMP script to monitor up/down and send an alert. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9

2009-08-01 Thread Jeremy Parr
2009/8/1 Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com: Iirc some mikrotik boards report dc voltage Sent from my Motorola Startac... The 433 does. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] T1 bandwidth pricing

2009-08-01 Thread Kevin Neal
I haven't asked about T1 prices around here, but I know an in-state Qwest to Qwest DS3 was quoted to me at over $10,000/mo. -Kevin On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: T1 pricing here in this area, Central Ohio, is just under $800.00 for one point of

Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9

2009-08-01 Thread J. Vogel
The RB411's I have been purchasing show input voltage under /system health. John Eje Gustafsson wrote: I do not believe the new boards does this do they? The RB230's and I think as well the RB532 could/would over SNMP report power levels and temps maybe the newer boards can't report temp but

[WISPA] Where to buy Rohn H50 masts

2009-08-01 Thread Gino Villarini
Any idea? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Where to buy Rohn H50 masts

2009-08-01 Thread Scott Reed
I haven't looked, but Nello www.nelloinc.com, does a lot of Rohn or Rohn equivalent stuff Gino Villarini wrote: Any idea? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145

Re: [WISPA] Where to buy Rohn H50 masts

2009-08-01 Thread Plexicomm Admin
Tessco Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: 08/01/09 19:19