When I talk uptime, I mean uptime with no incidents, no unscheduled
reboots, no issues period. I've got Some old grey Cisco routers that
have been running for literally years without a reboot.
The only things I can give this award to are a well built, locked
down, linux box, and a few well config
Many states requires just that one party is aware of the recording. Some states
require two party. This is why you hear at most places when you call in a
recorded message that your call might be recorded. I love the thing about
"might" there is no might or may about it. They all are but rarely r
> Note that if the phone call was being recorded right you would not hear
anything at all. In the modern IP world there are no "clicks" to hear. The
other party may have had a tape recorder or something analog on their
handset, though.
Yep, this is where it cracks me up...and a small telco, none
If it's going on a public list then it's public information. How are you
going to protect prying eyes from this:
http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
The disclaimer means little to me and is more annoying then anything.
Note that if the phone call was being recorded right you would not hea
We see these footers stating "this information is confidential" or "if you
get this email by mistake." I personally like that one, if you do not who
you are sending it to.tough luck.
What if there is no 'disclaimer' on a string of emails? No, in confidential
comment, can that be repeated?
I don't want to say too much but I can share this...
https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/outages/2009-October/001593.html
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable,
Can I make a recommendation that someone record it and put it in a members only
area for review by new members.
Great idea getting the manufacturers to present.
-B-
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-Original Message-
From: "Forbes Mercy"
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:54:57
To: WI
2009/10/23 Josh Luthman :
> I have to say that uptime usually doesn't mean it's a solid product,
> rather it has had sufficient power for that time. I have had Windows
> 95 running for months and XP for a good 3 years.
>
> Now if I wanted to bash Cisco I would point at the incident this week
> wit
I have to say that uptime usually doesn't mean it's a solid product,
rather it has had sufficient power for that time. I have had Windows
95 running for months and XP for a good 3 years.
Now if I wanted to bash Cisco I would point at the incident this week
with Level3 in Atlanta.
On 10/23/09, Ma
Juniper is a solid product. We've used lots of them in various
situations. Be wary of the GUI front end
I think they were designed by the software engineers only, with no
systems engineering control. The GUI interfaces is about as user
friendly and intuitive as a wife.
No dear, that wasn't
Mike,
First, take everything I saw about this with a grain of salt, because
I'm no expert.
From my reading of the R&O, there are two types of whitespace device.
There is a low power version, that I think is intended to be like a
mini-PCI card, installed in a laptop. There are no height res
Hats off to jack and the rest who worked on this on our collective
behalf. Nice work.
I agree with Jack. Pony up the $250. The value is clearly here.
Chris Cooper
Intelliwave LLC
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack
Eje, Will that connect with the new "Rocket's" in full duplex mode?
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 2:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubquity SR71USB
This is to WISPA Members, if you're not a member you have time to join!
LEAVE YOUR CALENDAR OPEN FOR NOVEMBER 4th at 2PM Eastern, 11AM Pacific
and all time zones in between. WISPA Promotions announce the first ever
Webinar. This event is our outreach for members only, a personal visit
from a pro
Hi Mike,
We just finished our work on WISPA's "Spectrum for Broadband" filing
and it goes to the FCC today.
Those WISPs who enjoy
using this list but who are not WISPA members should really consider
joining WISPA. WISPA members just paid $5000 in legal fees to prepare
and file Comments with
We do.
http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SR71%2DUSB&eq=&Tp=
195pcs in stock.
/Eje
--Original Message--
From: 3-dB Networks
Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
To: 'WISPA General List'
ReplyTo: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Ubquity SR71USB
Sent: Oct 23, 2009 15:59
Anyon
Great, so it's following wireless-test! Go MikroTik!
On 10/23/09, Nick Olsen wrote:
> Well, its been running a week, stable. With a full BGP table.
> Where 3.24 plus couldn't run a full bgp table for more then 4 hours,
> without idling out and coming back.
> I understand a week isn't nothing, Bu
Anyone know who has these in stock?
Thanks!
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/
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Well, its been running a week, stable. With a full BGP table.
Where 3.24 plus couldn't run a full bgp table for more then 4 hours,
without idling out and coming back.
I understand a week isn't nothing, But since about 3.28 with routing test,
bgp has been as stable as the machine its running on.
Are you aware that Keyon is a publically traded company; I would start with
that data
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=KEYO.OB
-Charles
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Mark McElvy
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:48 PM
We do, it's name is Paul! :-)
Jeff
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] juniper
Now if ImageStream had one that took MikroTik
I don't mean to be rude but 4.1 came out a week ago, how much testing could
you have done?!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir
Mikrotik BGP has come a long way. And is really stable in our testing.
running 4.1
Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106
From: "jp"
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:29 PM
To: "wireless@wispa.org"
Subject: [WISPA] juniper
Anyone use their ro
Now if ImageStream had one that took MikroTik exports I would be in hog
heaven =)
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Con
Thanks Jack. I am looking forward to your insight.
Mike Hammett was already so kind by referring to a wiki in a previous
post. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_spaces_(radio)
Mike
At 02:31 PM 10/23/2009, you wrote:
>Mike,
>
>I'm just finishing up work on WISPA's "Spectrum for Broadband" FCC
Not so much. Maybe some similarities, but no. Juniper has a Cisco config
translator that is supposed to take an existing Cisco config and
translate into Juniper speak, like I needed to explain "config
translator". haha
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-bo
I have two of the J2350s. They work very well.
Bill Price
SCS
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of jp
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:29 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] juniper
Anyone use their routers? I'm wond
We're on the same page now. We've been working on circular designs not
just for UHF but uW also. I too think there are major benefits here. We
design, manufacture, and use all our tower antennas (please...no remarks
about certification) and really think there is a benefit to circular
pol. Nice
On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 16:09 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Would you say the syntax is like Cisco?
NOT EVEN CLOSE! :-)
--
* Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation*
* http://www.butchevans.com/* Ne
On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 15:29 -0400, jp wrote:
> Anyone use their routers? I'm wondering if they overstate their performance
> greatly or if they are conservative in their promises.
>
> I'm considering using one to replace an aging Cisco. The Cisco has been
> reliable, but it's running out of ste
Dylan,
Would you say the syntax is like Cisco?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at
We have been rolling out Junipers to replace our tower routers and soon
our borders. There is a bit of a learning curve to their syntax but once
you get the hang of it, they are very nice.
Dylan
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Beh
I love the dialog. The 34" antenna is a LPDA and wide band. There
is going to have to be segmentation in the bands. Very few antenna
systems have the wide band characteristics of a log periodic. Maybe
that WILL be the normal antenna for the new technology, but it is
quite easy to make other
Cameron:
Great, some good dialogue. When I used the example of a LPDA or
Yagi, I was trying to scale the antenna to something easy to
visualize. Everyone knows what a Yagi, or as has been used as
example -- the "TV" antenna or log periodic look like. 1/4 wave and
1/2 wave radiator lengths a
Juniper as I know the history are the guys that left Cisco and redid
the router to allow major high traffic networks.
I agree - ImageStream is a great router. Great price for what it offers.
On 10/23/09, Scott Reed wrote:
> You might want to look at ImageStream as well.
>
> jp wrote:
>> Anyone
We have 7 IS routers and they have been the only component in our systems to
deliver 100%, 100% of the time. Even survived a siye-killing tower hit by
lightning that took out everything else and fried the Cat-5 coming down the
tower. Components were toasted on both sides of the IS an it was untou
You might want to look at ImageStream as well.
jp wrote:
> Anyone use their routers? I'm wondering if they overstate their performance
> greatly or if they are conservative in their promises.
>
> I'm considering using one to replace an aging Cisco. The Cisco has been
> reliable, but it's running
Mike,
I'm just finishing up work on WISPA's "Spectrum for Broadband" FCC
filing which is due today but hang with me for another hour or so and
I'll give you some background information about the FCC's TV White
Space rules as they currently stand. Once you have the context (full
view of the ru
Anyone use their routers? I'm wondering if they overstate their performance
greatly or if they are conservative in their promises.
I'm considering using one to replace an aging Cisco. The Cisco has been
reliable, but it's running out of steam with 150mbit going through it pretty
steady, and low
Due to the number of channels and the likelihood of channel bonding, there's
not going to be an antenna that covers from 692 - 698 MHz, then another that
covers 686 - 692 MHz. it also depends on the area. Maybe the broadcasters
are all sitting on channels 35 - 50, forcing you to use the lower
Not as many may be opposed as you'd think. After all, up until DBS, a
significant number of people had those antennas on their house for TV.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: "ccrum"
Sent: Friday
Mike, you are certainly correct about the propagation characteristics.
This is both good and bad depending on how people plan to deploy. I
think that a lot of people are thinking that this space will let you
have a self installed, desktop unit because of the NLOS and indoor
penetration. My poin
Jack:
If your goal is to use VHF frequencies at 54 MHz then YES you will
need a large radiator! If your goal is to use UHF frequencies at
300, or 500 MHz, then NO, you won't need a 'TV sized" antenna. If
*MANY* 6 MHz wide allocations are made, then one would be stupid to
use a "do all" anten
Mike,
You are correct. I'm deep into a final review of WISPA's Spectrum for
Broadband FCC filing right this minute (well, actually all morning) but
I plan to respond to Mike's points with more information that he may
not have about the TV White Spaces FCC rules. I think once he has that
addit
The 30 meter antenna was misconstrued from the antenna height requirements.
It's required to be 10 meters or above for CPE use and no higher than 30
meters for AP use.
Why would a TV antenna or a TVWS antenna on the same frequency be any
different in size? Maybe some missing elements if your a
Greetings WISP's,
The board of WISPA has authorized initial research into holding the
first Trade Show of WISPA. We don't want to assume too much for the
membership and therefore have put together a survey for members and
non-members alike to fill out for guidance as we prepare for a possible
sho
Well the comments I've heard ARE ludicrous. Antennas as big as a TV
antenna, 30 meter antennas, and others.
Free space path loss is greater at 5.8 GHz than at 2.4
GHz. Substantially. Free space path loss at 700 MHz, or 600 or 500
is also SUBSTANTIALLY lesser than at 2.4 GHz.
Free space path
It is not "ludacrous". Sure you can receive with a small yagi or panel
or heck, even a set of rabbit ears. It's the uplink that will be the
major issue. If you are using small cells for coverage you can probably
get away with "smaller" antennas on the towers, but this will limit your
uplink cap
I need to proof read my posts a little better, lol. That would be one HUGE
antenna.
Scottie
-- Original Message --
From: John Valenti
Reply-To: WISPA General List
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:35:56 -0400
>RE the 30 meter antennas
>possibly he is refe
Yes John, thanks. That was what I was referring to. I could not remember the
exact height for each, but I could recall one was around 30 meters.
Scottie
-- Original Message --
From: John Valenti
Reply-To: WISPA General List
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:35:
Not a typical day in our neck of woods
At 12:20 am a major explosion and fire generated in a local oil
refinery and storage area on San Juan
http://us.mobile.reuters.com/mobile/m/AnyArticle/p.rdt?URL=http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN2391512
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop
Google "fluke network tester rental"
Also check with your local low volatage cable distributor and or LV contractor,
they may have one to rent.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2
RE the 30 meter antennas
possibly he is referring to the height limits on antennas (and not the
size)? The R&O document said client antennas had to be 10m AGL, and
AP antennas had to be less than 30m.
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-260A1.pdf
(page 65)
-John
And then you think about it for a minite and realize.
NAH.Don't miss it :-)
Jerry
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Larry Yunker
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 6:42 AM
To: 'Marlon K. Schafer'; leyun...@wispadvant
Oooo, that looks cool. I'm gonna add that to my wish list!
marlon
- Original Message -
From: "3-dB Networks"
To: ; "'WISPA General List'"
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need to beg borrow steal a Fluke Network Tester
> You might want to check these out.
The rules are still up in the air, but the last set I heard had us using the
entire TV band, save a few reserved channels. The "700 MHz band" was the
highest set of channels (parts of 698 - 806) that the FCC auctioned off
before anything happened with TVWS.
http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/dat
I rented a really powerful Fluke from these guys.
http://www.trs-rentelco.com/SubCategory/LAN_Cable_Testers_CAT_5_CAT_6_.aspx
I ended up having to call them for help in setting the unit up so that I got
accurate readings and they were great to work with!
marlon
- Original Message -
Fr
You might want to check these out. We bought one to play with and have been
reasonably impressed with it... especially for $500
http://www.bytebros.com/bb_tester/Real%20World%20Certifier.htm
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun.
Grin.
You know, many of us still work side jobs! big grin
For me, it's the local chamber of commerce (president) and being on the
board of WISPA.
YOU could be a WISP
Woo hoo
marlon
- Original Message -
From: "Larry Yunker"
To: "'Marlon K. Schafer'" ;
; "'WISPA General List'"
Anyone know where I can get a Fluke network tester to give reports on
customer premise wiring job?
I feel a one weeks rental fits my requirements the most. Thanks.
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
---
Marlon,
Thanks for the kind words. I sometimes (incorrectly) assume that list
members know/knew that I used to run an ISP/WISP. Believe me... there are
days now when I'm cooped up in the office that I miss being out there
climbing towers, hanging antennas, installing routers and looking for the
U, only partially. The old TV antennas were combo antennas that
usually had a log periodic antenna for VHF and some sort of
arrangement for UHF, usually a corner reflector, bow tie or
something. Because they were designed to be so wide band, they were
huge. Any 700 MHz antenna will be MU
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