Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ready for prime time?

2009-12-29 Thread jp
We've been using the pacw wideband dual pole 2' and 3' solid dishes. On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 01:13:26AM -0500, Scott Carullo wrote: What antenna of choice are you using for rockets jp? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: jp

[WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob

2009-12-29 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Does anyone have any experience with having an attack done on your domain where the sender spoofs the header and then puts your domain in it as the sender. I think this is called a JoeJob and we are getting 1000's of the bounced messages because of it and are now having difficulty sending to some

Re: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob

2009-12-29 Thread Nick Olsen
Not really. Being in Asia and all. We have had this happen to us before. Just have to wait for them to go away. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:32 AM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob

2009-12-29 Thread Matt Hardy
You can implement the use of SPF records in your dns/mx settings. This will tell mail servers which use SPF checking (which many do) to only allow mail from your domain name to come from the mail servers / IPs that you specify (in the SPF records) are allowed. Any mail coming from non-allowed IPs

Re: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob

2009-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
You cant do anything to stop blocking them from being forged and sent, but there are things you can do to help notify other ISPs what servers are authorized to send mail for your domain, so that they can use smarter methods to block and allow SPAM. For example, you can use a Sender Policy

Re: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob

2009-12-29 Thread Terry Hickey
I use MailScanner http://www.mailscanner.info/ . It allows you to put a watermark on all messages leaving your mailserver. If a bounce come in without the watermark , it trashes it . works like a charm for exactly that. Terry - Original Message - From: Nick Olsen

Re: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob

2009-12-29 Thread Nick Olsen
This assumes that the receiving party drops mail based on SPF. And still, most of the time it will bounce the message saying it failed spam checks or something like that. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Matt Hardy

Re: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob

2009-12-29 Thread Matt Hardy
You're right, it does require the recipient domain to implement SPF checking, but I think it's better than nothing. It could at least help prevent from having your domain name end up on some auto-populated spam lists like aol, yahoo, etc like he originally said he was having problems with...

Re: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob

2009-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
The watermark idea sounds like a clever idea, and worthy solution. Only thing, should consider whether you let your mail users send through other providers during travel or secondary locations. (Would also apply to SPF to some extent). If they send legitimate mail from their hotel or Home

[WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Michael Baird
We are looking for some more wimax gear to test for the 3.65 band, our basic criteria would be 802.16e/mimo, we've tested Alvarion gear already. We are looking for something that will work in an urban environment with self install radios, can deliver voice and if possible with PPP/NAT/DHCP in

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
Wait for q1 release of the Canopy 320, all that and more Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas

2009-12-29 Thread Matt Jenkins
Are you registering all of your fixed CPEs? Jerry Richardson wrote: Here is the process: 1. Look up grandfathered stations here: http://www.fcc.gov/ib/sd/3650/grandftr.pdf 2. Find the contact by looking up the license via the call sign 3. Contact the station to see if they will grant you a

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Mike Hammett
Self install won't work in 3650 beyond 1/4 mile, maybe 1/2 mile. Patrick has elaborated on this many times. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Sent: Tuesday, December

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Michael Baird
Gino, Where can I find detailed info on the product there doesn't seem to be much available in regards to it's routing features. I'm also concerned about the CPE cost/licenses that's what drove us from Canopy before. Regards Michael Baird Wait for q1 release of the Canopy 320, all that and

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas

2009-12-29 Thread Jerry Richardson
I think we will have to. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas Are you

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Michael Baird
Patrick works for Aperto, they don't support beamshaping/mimo or 802.16e, my Alvarion and Navini gear with the non-mimo subscriber radio (mimo on the tower) worked at a mile non-LOS. I appreciate the input, but it disputes my results in the field (rural heavily treed, not urban). Regards

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Are you (Michael) talking about self install or outdoor install? Mike (Hammett) is talking about self installs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Michael Baird
Josh, I tested via a truck, I could take the Alvarion unit and put it on the back seat of the extended cab, and it worked everywhere within a mile radius I drove to. This was an outdoor unit with a 14.5 db panel, strictly speaking I was testing outdoor (I wanted SI's from Alvarion but they

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Jerry Richardson
What you are asking for is going to be priced accordingly. If you are looking for low cost 3.65 it's going to be Tranzeo or Ubiquity cards on MT. One interesting combination is that Tranzeo makes CPE's that inter-operate with Redline. We'll wait for CAP320 as screwing with anything lese is a

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Travis Johnson
Q3 is a better guess I think... Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Wait for q1 release of the Canopy 320, all that and more Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Good information. Keep in mind customer self installs != radio in truck bed. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:00 PM,

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
Ouch :-( Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Michael Baird
Back seat of truck facing the roof, not truck bed. Regards Michael Baird Good information. Keep in mind customer self installs != radio in truck bed. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Josh Luthman
That's what I had in my head typed it out wrong. Do you have much foliage in the way? Was this all LOS driving around? I would imagine once you get inside a house things changes drastically coming from a truck. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337

[WISPA] Does anyone have an APC EMS Device?

2009-12-29 Thread Ryan Spott
http://snpi.dell.com/sna/images/products/large/A0497965.jpg If you have one, and are willing to open it, can you tell me what the output voltage of the power supply is? Mine has a fried power supply and I feel the need to jury-rig it. ryan

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Patrick Leary
Why is your basic criteria .16e with MIMO (or .16e at all)? All .16e gets you in 3.65 GHz is much more (30% more) latency, less throughput per MHz, higher overhead and more cost. And you won't get any hope for interoperability, indoor modems, USB dongles or PC cards, since those are only

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Rubens Kuhl
Is supporting 802.16e really needed ? If you are providing your own CPEs, 802.16d, pre-WiMAX or Navini CDMA with beamforming could work just fine costing much less. I've tested Redline RedMAX self-install 16d unit and 16d base station and would give it a try on the real environment you wanna

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Michael Baird
Patrick, 16e is where the majority of the chipset development is at, and where companies such as Alcatel/Cisco/Motorola/Alvarion/Zyxel are focusing, and the new big deployments (Clearwire) are using 802.16e, and we want the ability to go to 802.16m when available. We also want to take

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Patrick, 16e is where the majority of the chipset development is at, and where companies such as Alcatel/Cisco/Motorola/Alvarion/Zyxel are focusing, and the new big deployments (Clearwire) are using 802.16e, and we want

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Patrick Leary
I used to drink the Koolaid, but in all fairness to Alvarion, there was much more hope for a .16e future back then. Today, not so much. LTE has already won and .16e will find only small, limited life and even less mass development. Even if it had a long life, .16m won't do you a lick of good in

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
Less? Moto is comming out with a 16e system with 4.5 bits per hz using mimo Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Why is your basic criteria .16e with MIMO (or .16e at all)? All .16e gets you in 3.65 GHz is much more (30%

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
I concur, Patrick hit the nail on the head with his response. 802.16e has little value with current 3.65 rules, and 802.16d likely a better match.. One of the failicies is that 802.16e means smart antenna designs, which does not have to be the case. Just because many 802.16d vendors favor cost

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
moto Did you mean they are comming out with soon? or did you really mean they are talking about comming out with? In WISP time, there is a big difference. Yeah, it would be cool if that was comming in the near future at current Canopy level price points. But that is an if. Tom DeReggi

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
Soon as in q1 or q2 IIRC $350~ SM $3500~ AP Specs are in the website under 320 series Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: moto Did you mean they are comming out with soon? or did you really mean they are talking

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread 3-dB Networks
Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message-

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Josh Luthman
And how is this product useful? 10 customers at 50/mo takes 140 months for an ROI. Assuming that's one AP. On 12/29/09, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Soon as in q1 or q2 IIRC $350~ SM $3500~ AP Specs are in the website under 320 series Sent from my Motorola Startac... On

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Blake Covarrubias
LTE has already won and .16e will find only small, limited life and even less mass development. Do you see any point in small BRS/EBS (MMDS/ITFS) license holders deploying 802.16e in these frequency bands? Huwaei then (in my opinion) uses its capture of .16e customers as the Trojan Horse

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
I hate to sabatage this 3650 thread, but I cant help myself, when 802.16e is mentioned for PtMP 1) Ubiquiti Mimo AP - $89, capacity up to 150 mb, (or maybe 50mbps might be more fair, for avg 20 Mhz channel 2x pole). 2) Mikroik AP MIMO- $400, capacity: same as Ubiquiti, but with Spectrum

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Patrick Leary
BRS/EBS is a different story entirely and the only place where .16e has a reasonable home in my opinion. The power allows for a zero truck roll model, meaning self-install indoor modems become viable. But that comes with some cost. I believe in BRS/EBS it makes sense to invest in a 5 meter clutter

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Patrick Leary
In our case, the numbers are about $20k for three sectors yielding an aggregate of about 60 mbps net for that cell. With WiMAX scheduling and our QoS, you could realistically connect well over 600 CPE in that cell. The sweet spot remains commercial, especially when implementing a double play of

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
I read the Moto 802.16e MIMO spec. I found it interesting that receive sensitivy for QAM64 was -89. That is awesome, compared to wifi OFDM of about -68. Doesn't help with the noise floor SNR requirements though. I also found it insightful that the 802.16e model AUTO shifted from MIMO A to B.

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Tom DeReggi
Patrick, Just for the record, let me say I realize there are many little details between WiMax and Wifi that can translate to real big differences in value proposition gain for Wimax, after all said and done. There is no doubt in my mind that Wimax-D price tags for top quality gear can

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
430 cpe is the same as current Canopy SM's Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I read the Moto 802.16e MIMO spec. I found it interesting that receive sensitivy for QAM64 was -89. That is awesome, compared to wifi

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
Tom Do you have any Ubiquity AirMac in production? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 8:15 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: In our case, the numbers are about $20k for three sectors yielding an aggregate of about 60 mbps net for that cell. With WiMAX

Re: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob

2009-12-29 Thread Richey
If they send legitimate mail from their hotel or Home circuit (if it was originally an Office account/circuit with you, but bring laptop home also), which home provider blocks SMTP excpet for using Access provider's SMTP server, the legitimate sender will no longer get notice when a send was

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I hate to sabatage this 3650 thread, but I cant help myself, when 802.16e is mentioned for PtMP 1) Ubiquiti Mimo AP - $89,  capacity up to 150 mb, (or maybe 50mbps might be more fair, for avg 20 Mhz channel 2x

Re: [WISPA] power management tools for cell sites

2009-12-29 Thread Jayson Baker
If you're looking to monitor only, check these out: http://www.theenergydetective.com/index.html They talk to Google. Yes, Google is now tracking your power consumption as well. Who knew. http://www.google.org/powermeter/ On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Gino Villarini
I have owned both. Porsche is a true piece of german engineering Corvette was GM crap Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 10:40 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics- il.net wrote: I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Charles Wu
LTE has already won and .16e will find only small, limited life and even less mass development. Do you see any point in small BRS/EBS (MMDS/ITFS) license holders deploying 802.16e in these frequency bands? Hi Blake, I'd say the question boils down to who's going to foot the bill for the

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Blake Covarrubias
I'd say the question boils down to who's going to foot the bill for the deployment -- you or the government =) With or without government stimulus I'm curious of the lists' general consensus on whether or not WiMAX is worthwhile investment in this 'war' of LTE vs WiMAX. Having Uncle Sam