Re: [WISPA] Vista DVR

2010-02-01 Thread Akinlolu Ajayi-Obe
Does anyone here us a Vista Columbus DVR. I need to back one up on-site and off-site. I need some advise before going to the site. Akin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Short range backhaul

2010-02-01 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I saw the spectrum analysis software at the last Ubiquiti conference in Las Vegas. It is excellent. It is also a simple firmware upgrade to certain radios. I like the idea of being able to take an AP offline for a short time to run an analysis on the sector antenna to see what noise looks

Re: [WISPA] Side Mount to Wooden Utility Pole?

2010-02-01 Thread David
We use galvanized 2 pipe and 3/4 inch allthread. Drill an hole through the pipe and pole and use nuts and washers to put them together with a 6 inch or so space between them. David -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ

[WISPA] Fastest 3650 Access Points

2010-02-01 Thread Marco Coelho
Who has the fastest 3650 access points? Who has the fastest access points? mc -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] Fastest 3650 Access Points

2010-02-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Dangerous topic. What solution are you looking for? Throughput or simply lowest latency? What kind of scale? Ptp or ptmp? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue

[WISPA] Fwd: Fastest 3650 Access Points

2010-02-01 Thread Jeremie Chism
Wimax is definitely not the lowest latency. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: February 1, 2010 12:58:32 PM CST To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fastest 3650 Access Points Reply-To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Fastest 3650 Access Points

2010-02-01 Thread Marco Coelho
PTMP, throughput with decent latency. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Dangerous topic. What solution are you looking for?  Throughput or simply lowest latency? What kind of scale?  Ptp or ptmp? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct:

[WISPA] Fwd: Fastest 3650 Access Points

2010-02-01 Thread Jeremie Chism
I could be wrong but throughput is going to be more of a channel bandwidth question. On my axxcelera equipment with a 7 MHz channel I ge 12 mb of throughput. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Date: February 1, 2010 1:00:57 PM CST To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Side Mount to Wooden Utility Pole?

2010-02-01 Thread Tom Sharples
You might get some ideas here: http://www.sunwize.com/catalog/pdf/Solar%20Module%20Mounts/SW%20SOP%20Mount.pdf we use these guys for utility pole mounted battery and solar panels. Tom S. - Original Message - From: David ad...@speedyquick.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org

[WISPA] Commissioner Robert McDowell's statement on Broadband...

2010-02-01 Thread MDK
First, do harm. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-296081A1.pdf This speech was made at the end of January... At least ONE commissioner's got his head on straight... WISPA Wants You!

Re: [WISPA] Fastest 3650 Access Points

2010-02-01 Thread Patrick Leary
One question you should also ask Marco is how much capacity at what range, and then that relative to channel size. Aperto will do over 18 mbps on a 7MHz channel with 25-30 ms latency. That latency is pretty much standard with the D version of WiMAX. Due to a link optimization patent we hold we can

Re: [WISPA] Commissioner Robert McDowell's statement on Broadband...

2010-02-01 Thread RickG
I wonder what the catch is :) -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:07 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: First, do harm. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-296081A1.pdf This speech was made at the end of January... At least ONE commissioner's got his head on straight...

[WISPA] interesting results

2010-02-01 Thread RickG
I dont know if this is a question as much as a statement of interest. I've had a few customer that wanted faster speeds and couldnt wait until my 5GHz sectors were up. So, I used a NS5 and connected right off my backhaul grids and they worked great. I dont plan to leave them on the backhauls but

[WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread RickG
OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he

Re: [WISPA] interesting results

2010-02-01 Thread Robert West
I'm with ya, Rick. I have 2 installed the same way. Not in the rules really, since my backhauls are pumping the power, too much for a PTMP as that ends up turning it into but as a temporary solution, it's cool on this side of things. :) One was for lack of a sector and the other was because,

Re: [WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread Nick Olsen
I'd turn it down till you hit about a -60 signal wise or in the 50's somewhere. should give you the best results. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM

Re: [WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread Robert West
I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob-

Re: [WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread Robert West
Yes. Get the eyes off the throughput and pay attention to your signal level first. Right on the money, there, Nick. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:21 PM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] interesting results

2010-02-01 Thread Nick Olsen
So if I follow, You hooked people to your backhaul radio, And the CPE was a NS5? If I'm not mistaken, The default antenna setting on the NS5's is Adaptive, so it will pick. Let me know if I'm way off on the scenario... Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106

Re: [WISPA] interesting results

2010-02-01 Thread Robert West
On my Nano5's I've had the default show up as Horizontal, of all things. On the 5M's I've had it different depending on firmware. Go figure. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Monday, February 01,

[WISPA] Fwd: power

2010-02-01 Thread Jeremie Chism
I had some waverider gear we tested that gave similar results. Mid 60's works much better. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: February 1, 2010 7:24:12 PM CST To: n...@brevardwireless.com, 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] interesting results

2010-02-01 Thread RickG
You got it except, the installer set it for v-pol because it worked better than h-pol! Go figure? On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: So if I follow, You hooked people to your backhaul radio, And the CPE was a NS5? If I'm not mistaken, The default

Re: [WISPA] interesting results

2010-02-01 Thread Nick Olsen
o.0 strange Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:43 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] interesting results

2010-02-01 Thread Chuck Hogg
I really think if left alone, this is going to cause RF issues in the future. Additionally, the Grids are going to provide a much hotter signal than your sectors or omni's in the same place. So much so, that the client may not reconnect to the omni or sector you plan on putting up there.

Re: [WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread RickG
Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid

Re: [WISPA] interesting results

2010-02-01 Thread RickG
Ya, I already corrected it. It just doesnt feel right. I'll have PTMP sectors up there soon. Thanks! On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I really think if left alone, this is going to cause RF issues in the future. Additionally, the Grids are going to provide

Re: [WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread Nick Olsen
Like we said, Drop both sides till the signal gets in the -55 to -65 range. Doesn't matter what the power is, as long as the signal is around there. As its where your going to get your best throughput, Barring any other interference. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321)

Re: [WISPA] interesting results

2010-02-01 Thread Stuart Pierce
I believe it's set for Horizontal out of the box. -- Original Message -- From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com Reply-To: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 20:24:19 -0500 So if I follow, You hooked

Re: [WISPA] interesting results

2010-02-01 Thread Stuart Pierce
Patches are in bassackwards -- Original Message -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 20:43:24 -0500 You got it except, the installer set it for v-pol because it worked better than

Re: [WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread Stuart Pierce
I would say it would depend on how hot the signal was, you don't want it yelling so loud it can't hear itself or anything else think. -- Original Message -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 1 Feb

Re: [WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread Jerry Richardson
I tend to use 20dB fade margin. If the floor is -80, then -60 is going to be great. This works until you are dealing with a -60dB floor cause -40dB is going to be too hot and overload the Rx of the radios. Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Feb 1, 2010, at 5:56 PM, RickG

Re: [WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Lot of the threads on the forums suggest the same thing. It seems the M equipment is more sensitive to such large amounts of energy. On 2/1/10, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: I would say it would depend on how hot the signal was, you don't want it yelling so loud it can't hear itself

Re: [WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread RickG
It's a PtMP environment. I have some customers much further away running high -70's. If I drop the AP side, dont I risk loosing them or affecting their throughput? What about using an attenuator and padding it down some? Thanks! -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Nick Olsen

Re: [WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread RickG
Floor is -98. So, using 20dB fade margin would mean -70's is good? On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: I tend to use 20dB fade margin. If the floor is -80, then -60 is going to be great. This works until you are dealing with a -60dB floor cause

Re: [WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread Jeremie Chism
You may have to rotate your cpe to get a lower signal from the tower. I have one that is pointed at a 45 degree angle away from the tower. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:06 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: It's a PtMP environment. I have some customers much further away

Re: [WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread RickG
RF is such a funny animal! On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: You may have to rotate your cpe to get a lower signal from the tower. I have one that is pointed at a 45 degree angle away from the tower. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:06 PM,

Re: [WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread Jayson Baker
That's not a good idea. You will create multipath interference, which will have an overall negative impact. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: You may have to rotate your cpe to get a lower signal from the tower. I have one that is pointed at a 45 degree

Re: [WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread Jeremie Chism
Having a radio screaming at an ap also tends to affect other cpe's by desensitizing your ap. Just what I have experienced in my deployment. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2010, at 9:12 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's not a good idea. You will create multipath

Re: [WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread Philip Dorr
Then turn the transmit power down on you CPEs, don't create multipath On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: Having a radio screaming at an ap also tends to affect other cpe's by desensitizing your ap. Just what I have experienced in my deployment. Sent from my

Re: [WISPA] interesting results

2010-02-01 Thread Robert West
Could be a bounce. I've had that off the metal barn roofs in the area. Some have a magical ability to flip the polarization. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:04 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] interesting results

2010-02-01 Thread RickG
Normally I'd agree with you and usually look for reflection. But, this install is only a stone's throw away from the water tank. That said, I suppose I could be getting reflection off the tank itself. -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Could be

Re: [WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread Robert West
You'll know if you have a monster when you install neighboring AP's. Just adjust the power when you need to. I have some AP's that have clients connected that are actually closer to a different AP but the signal is better from one further out. I tend to deploy with a smaller foot print per AP

Re: [WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread Robert West
They should make a cuddly stuffed Nano that I could sleep with at night.. Yeah, I know but it's late. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:12 PM To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] interesting results

2010-02-01 Thread Robert West
If the signal is too hot, I bet so. You may be scattering the RF all over and reflecting back at you. Rf will bounce off a sponge if loud enough. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01,

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

2010-02-01 Thread Chuck Profito
From NewsMax: Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size By: Bradley A. Blakeman Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it today. Now, the

Re: [WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread RickG
I've had the same experiences. Like I said before, our WISP's are simular :) -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: You'll know if you have a monster when you install neighboring AP's. Just adjust the power when you need to. I have some AP's that

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

2010-02-01 Thread RickG
I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA) give things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of the net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let everyone

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

2010-02-01 Thread Josh Luthman
You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning. Now he's really pissing me off. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

2010-02-01 Thread Glenn Kelley
Josh How does it feel to be in the middle of a state where your vote hardly matters? I, in NJ had the same issue until recently. Let's hope the larger cities finally wake the heck up! On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning.

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

2010-02-01 Thread Josh Luthman
I have not voted to this day, to be honest. It is the masses and the public that votes and they well out number me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

2010-02-01 Thread Philip Dorr
I would find it interesting if the runner up was the victor, of course there wold have to actually be more than our current two party majority system. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have not voted to this day, to be honest. It is the masses

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

2010-02-01 Thread Glenn Kelley
well - I always think it is important to vote... but... my motto is simple: go Vote - choose the one that wont hurt me the most ... on the way home stop @ the store and buy 2 gallons of bleach turn on a bath and then disinfect... I generally use the 2nd gallon on their inauguration day ;-) On

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

2010-02-01 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Every vote counts. For every guy that thinks not there is two other that don't vote. If people came over this mentality your vote would matter because no matter what people think they are not alone in their believes. Look at the 2008 President election StateMargin Missouri 0.14% NC

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

2010-02-01 Thread Josh Luthman
I was going to vote but then I realized there was no space for Ron Paul. On 2/2/10, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Every vote counts. For every guy that thinks not there is two other that don't vote. If people came over this mentality your vote would matter because no matter what

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

2010-02-01 Thread RickG
Right on Eje! The other side hopes that their opposition wont vote and they win by default. I realize its usually the lesser of two evils but dont let that stop you. -RickG On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Every vote counts. For every guy that thinks

Re: [WISPA] Follow up article

2010-02-01 Thread RickG
One day soon - either Ron Paul or someone like him. As soon as enough people get pissed off. -RickG On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I was going to vote but then I realized there was no space for Ron Paul. On 2/2/10, Eje Gustafsson

Re: [WISPA] power

2010-02-01 Thread Jerry Richardson
I would say yes with one caveat, If you need -71 to get full modulation and need to guarantee that it holds like in a PTP link then you would want additional fade margin. Assuming an additional 10db would mean you would want -61 minimum. A PTMP network may or may not need that kind margin