Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[Robert West]

Exactly.

It lived for a very brief while in my midst.  

I then got wise and ordered up dual ISDN.  Was flying at 128k !!!  I was a
god.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

Egads!

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Robert West 
wrote:
> Anyone do the nightmare that was the Diamond Shotgun Modems?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:33 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> Ya! Back in those "dial-up days" I felt so sorry for the cheap 
> businesses that forced their employees to share the internet 
> connection with dozens of users!
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> I sold a crap load of these:
>>
>> http://www2.dealtime.com/xPF-D-Link-DP-601M-DP-601M
>>
>> DLink DP-601M Share a full speed 56K connection with a whole office.  
>> I
> actually had one company that had 15 users on a Novell network that I 
> hooked up with one of these.  Everyone shared the same 56K for their 
> email.  They had no complaints.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> General Manager
>> PCS-WIN
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>> On
> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:44 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>
>> We have come a long way though. Remember these?
>> http://www.cablemodeminfo.com/umaxreview.html-ssi
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Robert West 
>> 
> wrote:
>>> Yeah, but once the price of the good stuff came down it doesn't make 
>>> any sense to invest much time into tricking out that junk.  I can 
>>> put less than a hundred bucks into a Routerboard or a Ubiquiti radio 
>>> that will do 10x what the hacked retail router can do.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:30 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>>
>>> Bob - have you ever tried the solder trick on the old linkys - 
>>> amazing how much more ram you can get on those suckers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>>
 Just the stripped down v24 that's been out forever.  All of the 
 Broadcom based WRT54G versions are stable as can be, as far I've 
 seen, but the newer versions, (like the past 5 years!!!) suck.
 DD-WRT is cool on Broadcom but all the Atheros chips seem to throw 
 it into crazy land.  Love those older WRT54G routers with the big 
 as hell flash.  Still
>>> going strong.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

 Which package were you running? There's a number of different 
 variations which have more or less features. If one doesn't need 
 the full blown packages it's better to run a minimalist version, 
 and turn off what ever services you don't need. It's a lot of 
 setup. If you need the just basic functionality try the Tomato 
 firmware. It's basic and solid. The QOS is decent (works better for me
than the dd-wrt).
 The versions that have everything including the kitchen sink scare 
 me (the chances of problems and errors rise exponentially as the 
 code
>>> bloats).

 Greg

 On Jul 12, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Robert West wrote:

> My problem with the latest  DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to 
> overheat or lockup.  At least on the Linksys hardware.  Not as 
> good
 anymore.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> got me.  We simply use MT.  Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a 
> consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but 
> sounds like more work than it needs to be.
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc 
> -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE 
> On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Steve Barne

Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Basically the same thing we use here.
http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=TVv_LdGtMYu7OY07OZ9Tfwvrfdv_IwUTfwUTfTT--

NEVER had a leak.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy


  Problem solved:
  http://www.amazon.com/Parts-Express-Coax-Seal-60/dp/B0002ZPINC

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Marlon K. Schafer  
wrote:

bhahahahahahaha

n type connectors are NOT water proof!  They WILL get water into them.

What happens is the sun comes out and warms up the connector.  Then it rains
on it, quickly cooling the connector off.  That creates a vacuum inside the
connector, sucking a bit of water inside.

I've literally seen mold growing inside connectors that weren't taped or
taped right.

Try this.  Put your connection (use a toss away one) inside the dish washer.
Then toss it into the freezer.  Back to the dish washer, then set it in cold
water.  Then the oven, back to cold water.  Might use some salt water too,
that'll speed up any corrosion.

If you get ANY water showing up in the connector you've got to do a better
job of sealing it.

I just took down a competitor's "tower site" at a farmer who fired them.
They didn't seal the connector at the top of the tower.  Water got into the
coax and drifted 50' down the tower, into the box and rusted the amp that
they were using at the bottom of the tower!

EVERYTHING outside needs to be sealed up at these frequencies.

Good luck!  grin
marlon


- Original Message -
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 

Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy


> Marco,
>
> I took your advice on the Polyphaser and came up with a way to put it on
> without adding extra coax. Just screwed the Poly directly to the antenna.
> So
> it's grounded through the antenna mount itself. I sealed the bottom
> connection but not the top, I know, I probly should have but I was looking
> at the top connection and I see absolutely no way water can get into the
> center pin. Even if it starts to fill up in the connector it will quickly
> drain out of there before it fills up high enough to go over the wall to
> get
> into the center connector. I tightened the top connector down pretty good
> with a wrench also so we'll see...
>
> BTW the zip ties are temporary! Forgot to grab two hose clamps and I'll be
> up tomorrow for the 900mhz AP and antenna and I'll get it then.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marco Coelho
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:56 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy
>
> I highly recommend them.  Even on DC grounded antennas.
>
> Especially when mounted to the top of a tower.
>
> Marco
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>> Is it necessary to add Poly Phaser lightning arrestors on connectorized
>> Canopy units? Even if they are mounted to the tippy top of tower with an
>> Omni?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 

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> --
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> Argon Technologies Inc.
> POB 875
> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
> 903-455-5036
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Re: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave

[lakeland]

You can't purchase just one side of a Bridgewave 60 or 80 GHz  link.  The links 
are calibrated to talk in pairs.  The RSL, TX Power and link calibration 
methods are all specific for each preset link.

Even when one radio is known bad (I.e.  dead) and there is an advanced 
replacement plan in place a complete replacement link is shipped from  
Bridgewave at their expense and both sides have to be swapped out. Surely if 
they could ship just one radio it would be more economical and easier for both 
parties but it can't be done.

This is required to maintain the standards at 60 GHz.

If the installer "lost" the radio either take it out of his pocket, file an 
insurance claim, or eat the loss and move on. Its not Bridewaves fault that the 
radio was lost.

I had a contracted tower crew drop a standoff arm with a new Ceragon radio and 
antenna on it.  $650 for a new flex waveguide jumper.  They can either pay for 
it or file an insurance claim. Sh%t happens.

I just wonder how you lose half of a GE60.

-B-
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: John Scrivner 
Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:23:14 
To: WISPA General List
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave

Attention Bridgewave Support,
You are being copied live on a WISPA email list server.  According to
the guy noted below you guys make it a policy to only sell radios in
pairs instead of one radio even in a hardship situation like this.
That really sounds like you are bullying the customer to me. So here
is the deal. You have a few hundred operators copied on this list. Is
this your policy? Are you going to help this operator or not? Remember
that the future ability for you to sell to operators representing a
couple of million customers are probably represented here on this list
and will read your reply. Let me be clear in stating that I pledge to
NEVER buy from your company, EVER ,if you are not going to help this
guy and sell him the one radio he needs to fix this terrible
situation.
Sincerely,
John Scrivner
President
Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc.



>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
>> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:53 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave
>>
>> One of our installers lost one end of a Bridgewave GE60.  According to
>> our
>> reseller we need to purchase a complete new link.
>>
>> What would you guys do in this case?  Press charges against the
>> installer
>> and file with insurance?  Just fire the employee?  Anyone else had
>> someone
>> this stupid do something similar?
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy

[Josh Luthman]

Problem solved:
http://www.amazon.com/Parts-Express-Coax-Seal-60/dp/B0002ZPINC

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Marlon K. Schafer 
wrote:

> bhahahahahahaha
>
> n type connectors are NOT water proof!  They WILL get water into them.
>
> What happens is the sun comes out and warms up the connector.  Then it
> rains
> on it, quickly cooling the connector off.  That creates a vacuum inside the
> connector, sucking a bit of water inside.
>
> I've literally seen mold growing inside connectors that weren't taped or
> taped right.
>
> Try this.  Put your connection (use a toss away one) inside the dish
> washer.
> Then toss it into the freezer.  Back to the dish washer, then set it in
> cold
> water.  Then the oven, back to cold water.  Might use some salt water too,
> that'll speed up any corrosion.
>
> If you get ANY water showing up in the connector you've got to do a better
> job of sealing it.
>
> I just took down a competitor's "tower site" at a farmer who fired them.
> They didn't seal the connector at the top of the tower.  Water got into the
> coax and drifted 50' down the tower, into the box and rusted the amp that
> they were using at the bottom of the tower!
>
> EVERYTHING outside needs to be sealed up at these frequencies.
>
> Good luck!  grin
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy
>
>
> > Marco,
> >
> > I took your advice on the Polyphaser and came up with a way to put it on
> > without adding extra coax. Just screwed the Poly directly to the antenna.
> > So
> > it's grounded through the antenna mount itself. I sealed the bottom
> > connection but not the top, I know, I probly should have but I was
> looking
> > at the top connection and I see absolutely no way water can get into the
> > center pin. Even if it starts to fill up in the connector it will quickly
> > drain out of there before it fills up high enough to go over the wall to
> > get
> > into the center connector. I tightened the top connector down pretty good
> > with a wrench also so we'll see...
> >
> > BTW the zip ties are temporary! Forgot to grab two hose clamps and I'll
> be
> > up tomorrow for the 900mhz AP and antenna and I'll get it then.
> >
> > Kurt Fankhauser
> > WAVELINC
> > P.O. Box 126
> > Bucyrus, OH 44820
> > 419-562-6405
> > www.wavelinc.com
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Marco Coelho
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:56 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy
> >
> > I highly recommend them.  Even on DC grounded antennas.
> >
> > Especially when mounted to the top of a tower.
> >
> > Marco
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> > wrote:
> >> Is it necessary to add Poly Phaser lightning arrestors on connectorized
> >> Canopy units? Even if they are mounted to the tippy top of tower with an
> >> Omni?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kurt Fankhauser
> >> WAVELINC
> >> P.O. Box 126
> >> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> >> 419-562-6405
> >> www.wavelinc.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Marco C. Coelho
> > Argon Technologies Inc.
> > POB 875
> > Greenville, TX 75403-0875
> > 903-455-5036
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave

[Brad Belton]

While we are not a large customer of BridgeWave, we have purchased and
deployed a handful of AR80X-AES radios.  BridgeWave has always been
extremely responsive to any technical issues we experienced as well as an
overall great company to work with in all aspects.  We will continue to
purchase and deploy BridgeWave equipment.  

I encourage all WISPA members to strongly consider BridgeWave products if
they require a GigE line speed radio.

Regarding this particular issue with an installer losing a radio; there is
too little information provided to take much of any credible stance on it.

Best,


Brad Belton
BelWave Communications



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave

Allthough, I generally dislike policies that only sell radios in pairs, 
their is a flip side.

60Ghz radios are tougher to make work togeather than other freqs. Its very 
important that the power levels of each radio side are closely matched. 
60Ghz radios are usually tested and certified in pairs at the factory, in 
order to be able to guarantee the proper operation of a pair.  A number of 
times, when we used 60Ghz radios (a brand other than brodgewave) and tried 
to mismatch radios from different pairs, often the links would not work 
properly.

It may be necessary to send the single radio to bridgewave to be matched 
with a new second side radio, and tuned and certified as a new pair. There 
could be a significant cost to that.

I do not want to speak for BRidgewave, I'm just saying It can be more 
complicated than just having Bridgewave sell and send a single radio out as 
a replacement, when dealing with 60Ghz.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave


Attention Bridgewave Support,
You are being copied live on a WISPA email list server.  According to
the guy noted below you guys make it a policy to only sell radios in
pairs instead of one radio even in a hardship situation like this.
That really sounds like you are bullying the customer to me. So here
is the deal. You have a few hundred operators copied on this list. Is
this your policy? Are you going to help this operator or not? Remember
that the future ability for you to sell to operators representing a
couple of million customers are probably represented here on this list
and will read your reply. Let me be clear in stating that I pledge to
NEVER buy from your company, EVER ,if you are not going to help this
guy and sell him the one radio he needs to fix this terrible
situation.
Sincerely,
John Scrivner
President
Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc.



>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
>> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:53 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave
>>
>> One of our installers lost one end of a Bridgewave GE60. According to
>> our
>> reseller we need to purchase a complete new link.
>>
>> What would you guys do in this case? Press charges against the
>> installer
>> and file with insurance? Just fire the employee? Anyone else had
>> someone
>> this stupid do something similar?
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

[RickG]

Too bad time doesnt work like this -->
http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/16-03/ff_free?currentPage=all

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:50 PM, MDK  wrote:
>
> I dunno what it is about my personality, but I really, REALLY hate
> collecting money.    I hate asking for it.    I hate setting prices.
>
> I always look at it as if I were the customer, and what would things be like
> if it were ME paying the bill.    Maybe that's the wrong attitude, because
> honestly, it tends to make me undercharge.    Objectively, you have to set a
> 'what your time is worth' value and stick to it.    But when you do that,
> often you find that your bill is absurdly expensive.  like a $250 bill for
> fixing some guy's computer.   A computer that's not worth 300 bucks.
>
> I take those in from time to time, and work on them ONLY when I have "free"
> time.   And the bill is small.
>
> Still, I think sometimes that's not quite right either, so how do you choose
> to do what you do?   Conscience has to guide, but you also have to be honest
> and you can't undercharge and stay in business, either.
>
> How do y'all do it?
>
>
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
>
> --
> From: "RickG" 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:52 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
>
>> You beat me to it Mark. In the end, history will show that the "free
>> government money attitude" is what was at the root of our country's
>> downfall. Most  WISP's are built on independance. We should fight
>> against the use of our tax dollars for all these wasteful programs. I
>> think all other utilities should be made to stand on their own as
>> well. What better way to show that it works than by our own example?
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM, MDK  wrote:
>>> If you did, how would you sleep at night, knowing you're ripping off
>>> money
>>> for nuttin?
>>>
>>> ++
>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>>> ++
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Glenn Kelley" 
>>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:39 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
>>>
 That was my question.

 I would love to find a way to get $300K to build a number of towers
 around - and then a few thousand per subscriber per year to give them
 VOIP
 and Internet...

 - but then again I guess we all would

 Something however for us to use perhaps as Fodder to show why we
 should -
 when we can service so many more.


 On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Jack Unger wrote:

>  WISPs get a share of the USF funds that will be redirected to
> broadband?
> Noodle me that...



 
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[RickG]

LOL! Worked great during the day but you've got to use lanterns at night :)

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> Hmmm you forgot about the Smoke Signals...
>
> They would do almost 3 rpm (three rings per min !)
>
> But one had to climb a tall location and collect the wood and light a
> fire...
>
> :)
>
> Regards.
>
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> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, Fl 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
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>
> On 7/13/2010 1:56 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>> At 7/13/2010 01:42 PM, Bob West wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, really?  So I've told you about my Zoom Telephonic Experience back in
>>> 1989 all over a darned 2400 baud modem?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I'm still pissed.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>> Y'all are too young.
>>
>> Back in 1965, when I first saw it, DTSS apparently had a network of
>> multidrop leased lines (voice-grade) using FDM multiplexors to
>> support a whole heap of 33ASR Teletypes at different schools.  The
>> 33ASR was smokin' hot at 110 baud (we didn't need no stinkin' bps
>> yet).  In the 1970s, IBM wired up whole banks that way, with
>> multidrop llnes at 2400 or maybe if you were lucky 9600 bps.
>>
>> We were well ahead of that in the early 1980s, when I was at DEC,
>> which was probably the most networked company in the world at the
>> time.  Office buildings full of engineers had a few lightning-fast
>> 14,400 bps modems, with 56 kbps links between the computers in the
>> same room before Ethernet took over (around 1983).  I had a
>> CompUServe account for a little while.  It was $3/hour at 300 bps,
>> $9/hour at 1200 bps.  Guess which one I used..
>>
>> And my take-away is that at each step of the way, at each time, that
>> was seen as the cat's pajamas.  And we got a lot done with it.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[RickG]

I cant believe I'm using a Cisco 7500 for an end table!

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
> I can’t tell you how many we threw away when we bought some racks at
> auction.
>
>
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> Regards,
>
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>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:03 PM
>
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
>
>
> Hey I have a 1400 56K modem Nortel unit I couldn't even get a penny bid on
> ebay sitting in my garage.  While we're at it I have numerous Portmaster
> units 2's and 3's, damned expensive then, not so much worth anything now.
>
> Forbes
>
> On 7/13/2010 11:12 AM, Robert West wrote:
>
> Yep.  Those were the days when even a keyboard would cost us over a hundred
> bucks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of David E. Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:10 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 13:03, Robert West 
> wrote:
>
> I couldn’t afford 900 bucks for a 9600 baud USR.  Besides, my CompuServe
> bill was over 500 bucks per month as it was.
>
>
>
> I suddenly feel so young. I remember saving up $100 for a 14.4kbps modem
> around the time I started college in 1994.
>
>
>
> David Smith
>
> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[RickG]

Livingston Portmasters! Now those were great for their time!

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Forbes Mercy
 wrote:
> Hey I have a 1400 56K modem Nortel unit I couldn't even get a penny bid on
> ebay sitting in my garage.  While we're at it I have numerous Portmaster
> units 2's and 3's, damned expensive then, not so much worth anything now.
>
> Forbes
>
> On 7/13/2010 11:12 AM, Robert West wrote:
>
> Yep.  Those were the days when even a keyboard would cost us over a hundred
> bucks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of David E. Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:10 PM
>
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 13:03, Robert West 
> wrote:
>
> I couldn’t afford 900 bucks for a 9600 baud USR.  Besides, my CompuServe
> bill was over 500 bucks per month as it was.
>
>
>
> I suddenly feel so young. I remember saving up $100 for a 14.4kbps modem
> around the time I started college in 1994.
>
>
>
> David Smith
>
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[RickG]

Egads!

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> Anyone do the nightmare that was the Diamond Shotgun Modems?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:33 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> Ya! Back in those "dial-up days" I felt so sorry for the cheap
> businesses that forced their employees to share the internet
> connection with dozens of users!
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>> I sold a crap load of these:
>>
>> http://www2.dealtime.com/xPF-D-Link-DP-601M-DP-601M
>>
>> DLink DP-601M Share a full speed 56K connection with a whole office.  I
> actually had one company that had 15 users on a Novell network that I hooked
> up with one of these.  Everyone shared the same 56K for their email.  They
> had no complaints.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> General Manager
>> PCS-WIN
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:44 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>
>> We have come a long way though. Remember these?
>> http://www.cablemodeminfo.com/umaxreview.html-ssi
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Robert West 
> wrote:
>>> Yeah, but once the price of the good stuff came down it doesn't make
>>> any sense to invest much time into tricking out that junk.  I can put
>>> less than a hundred bucks into a Routerboard or a Ubiquiti radio that
>>> will do 10x what the hacked retail router can do.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:30 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>>
>>> Bob - have you ever tried the solder trick on the old linkys - amazing
>>> how much more ram you can get on those suckers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>>
 Just the stripped down v24 that's been out forever.  All of the
 Broadcom based WRT54G versions are stable as can be, as far I've
 seen, but the newer versions, (like the past 5 years!!!) suck.
 DD-WRT is cool on Broadcom but all the Atheros chips seem to throw it
 into crazy land.  Love those older WRT54G routers with the big as
 hell flash.  Still
>>> going strong.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

 Which package were you running? There's a number of different
 variations which have more or less features. If one doesn't need the
 full blown packages it's better to run a minimalist version, and turn
 off what ever services you don't need. It's a lot of setup. If you
 need the just basic functionality try the Tomato firmware. It's basic
 and solid. The QOS is decent (works better for me than the dd-wrt).
 The versions that have everything including the kitchen sink scare me
 (the chances of problems and errors rise exponentially as the code
>>> bloats).

 Greg

 On Jul 12, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Robert West wrote:

> My problem with the latest  DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to
> overheat or lockup.  At least on the Linksys hardware.  Not as good
 anymore.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> got me.  We simply use MT.  Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a
> consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but
> sounds like more work than it needs to be.
>
> ---
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> Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the
> only way to go  on a SOHO routers.  Why?
>
> What's the benefits?
> What's the down falls?
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
>
> 

Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[RickG]

Fred,

Thanks for making me feel a bit younger! In '83, I did have a
Compuserve account using my IBM PC to connect at 300baud but was just
a kid then :)

-RickG

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Fred Goldstein  wrote:
> At 7/13/2010 01:42 PM, Bob West wrote:
>>Oh, really?  So I've told you about my Zoom Telephonic Experience back in
>>1989 all over a darned 2400 baud modem?
>>
>
>
>
>>I'm still pissed.
>>
>>Bob-
>
> Y'all are too young.
>
> Back in 1965, when I first saw it, DTSS apparently had a network of
> multidrop leased lines (voice-grade) using FDM multiplexors to
> support a whole heap of 33ASR Teletypes at different schools.  The
> 33ASR was smokin' hot at 110 baud (we didn't need no stinkin' bps
> yet).  In the 1970s, IBM wired up whole banks that way, with
> multidrop llnes at 2400 or maybe if you were lucky 9600 bps.
>
> We were well ahead of that in the early 1980s, when I was at DEC,
> which was probably the most networked company in the world at the
> time.  Office buildings full of engineers had a few lightning-fast
> 14,400 bps modems, with 56 kbps links between the computers in the
> same room before Ethernet took over (around 1983).  I had a
> CompUServe account for a little while.  It was $3/hour at 300 bps,
> $9/hour at 1200 bps.  Guess which one I used..
>
> And my take-away is that at each step of the way, at each time, that
> was seen as the cat's pajamas.  And we got a lot done with it.
>
>
>  --
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Re: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave

[Rick Harnish]

Tom,

>From the research I have done on 60 GHz, I would say your assessment is
correct. Companies have reasons when they set policies like this.  It could
be one of those "Been There, Done That" observations by the management and
technical staff, that wants to avoid a trainwreck.  

However, it might not be a bad move for Bridgewave to replace the link and
take the remaining radio in on trade at equal price.  They could always test
it and send it back out as a refurbed unit with a matched pair.

Rick

> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:35 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave
> 
> Allthough, I generally dislike policies that only sell radios in pairs,
> their is a flip side.
> 
> 60Ghz radios are tougher to make work togeather than other freqs. Its
> very
> important that the power levels of each radio side are closely matched.
> 60Ghz radios are usually tested and certified in pairs at the factory,
> in
> order to be able to guarantee the proper operation of a pair.  A number
> of
> times, when we used 60Ghz radios (a brand other than brodgewave) and
> tried
> to mismatch radios from different pairs, often the links would not work
> properly.
> 
> It may be necessary to send the single radio to bridgewave to be
> matched
> with a new second side radio, and tuned and certified as a new pair.
> There
> could be a significant cost to that.
> 
> I do not want to speak for BRidgewave, I'm just saying It can be
> more
> complicated than just having Bridgewave sell and send a single radio
> out as
> a replacement, when dealing with 60Ghz.
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Scrivner" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave
> 
> 
> Attention Bridgewave Support,
> You are being copied live on a WISPA email list server.  According to
> the guy noted below you guys make it a policy to only sell radios in
> pairs instead of one radio even in a hardship situation like this.
> That really sounds like you are bullying the customer to me. So here
> is the deal. You have a few hundred operators copied on this list. Is
> this your policy? Are you going to help this operator or not? Remember
> that the future ability for you to sell to operators representing a
> couple of million customers are probably represented here on this list
> and will read your reply. Let me be clear in stating that I pledge to
> NEVER buy from your company, EVER ,if you are not going to help this
> guy and sell him the one radio he needs to fix this terrible
> situation.
> Sincerely,
> John Scrivner
> President
> Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc.
> 
> 
> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> >> Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
> >> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:53 PM
> >> To: wireless@wispa.org
> >> Subject: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave
> >>
> >> One of our installers lost one end of a Bridgewave GE60. According
> to
> >> our
> >> reseller we need to purchase a complete new link.
> >>
> >> What would you guys do in this case? Press charges against the
> >> installer
> >> and file with insurance? Just fire the employee? Anyone else had
> >> someone
> >> this stupid do something similar?
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Digital Loggers script

[Marlon K. Schafer]

It's built in.  Just have it ping the device (or a device on the far side of 
a link) and set the auto ping to cycle that outlet.
marlon

- Original Message - 
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To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 4:59 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Digital Loggers script


> Does anyone have a way to control a Digital Loggers Ethernet switch they
> would share?  I want to be able to say create a batch file or small
> executable to power cycle certain ports.
>
> Thanks,  Mike
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Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo

[RickG]

I had the same exact bug with my StarOS WRAPs trying to talk to UBNT
units in PTP mode. My temporary fix was to reverse their roles. In
other words, make the UBNT unit the AP and the WRAP the station. Go
figure!
-RickG

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Justin Mann  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My name is Justin. I work for Mark Nash, whom I'm sure you have heard
> from before. I'm his company's engineer. This is my first time writing
> into or reading the WISPA list; Mark suggested that some people here
> might be able to help me with a particular issue we have been
> experiencing.  If anyone here has suggestions as to what the issue would
> be, I would appreciate it.
>
> Here is my scenario. We have two sites; we will call them "A" and "B".
>
> At site "A" we have a Mikrotik router, running RouterOS v4.5. At site
> "B" we have 3 StarOS access points.
>
> Each access point has a /30 on it's ethernet side, shared with the
> router, and uses RIP. We have a bridged StarOS backhaul between them. It
> works pleasantly; the router has never failed to pick up the remote
> networks on the access points before. Recently, we have wanted to
> replace our StarOS backhauls with UBNT Rocket backhauls.
>
> When we attempted to do this, we encountered a very strange bug with no
> workaround I could find. When we switch to the Rocket backhaul, we can
> no longer communicate with remote networks. Now, both the APs and the
> Router are still running RIP - and you can look at the RIP routing
> information and see that the router has indeed received the downstream
> routes. However, we can only communicate with the /30s. If we attempted
> to reach the remote networks, it returns as unreachable - and if we
> attempt to trace those networks, it seems that the Mikrotik router is
> attempting to route traffic to an internal-only address assigned to the
> Rocket backhaul devices.
>
> Example. Network 1.0.0.0/24 is on the far side of Access point A. With
> the StarOS bridged backhauls, the Mikrotik router successfully adds a
> route to its kernel routing table to route 1.0.0.0/24 through the /30
> assigned to the access point. In our failure scenario with the Rockets,
> the same route is successfully received via RIP, and you can see that
> 1.0.0.0/24 is still pointing correctly to the /30. However, when the
> router actually attempts to forward a packet, it forwards the packet to
> an internal-only address assigned to the Rocket Backhauls, an address
> that does not appear ANYWHERE in the router's routing table.
>
> What makes it more difficult is that even static routes do not work. If
> RIP is disabled on the respective devices, and a static route is
> entered, it still fails to work - it even fails to work if you
> completely remove the internal network from the router, and leave only
> the /30s on the interface, with a static route. The router still cannot
> communicate with downstream networks - only the /30 directly connected
> to it. this only happens with the UBNT rocket AP is in place.
>
> Currently, the rockets are configured as bridges, in AP and Station
> mode, with AirMax enabled.
>
> If anyone has any advice I would appreciate it.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy

[Marlon K. Schafer]

bhahahahahahaha

n type connectors are NOT water proof!  They WILL get water into them.

What happens is the sun comes out and warms up the connector.  Then it rains 
on it, quickly cooling the connector off.  That creates a vacuum inside the 
connector, sucking a bit of water inside.

I've literally seen mold growing inside connectors that weren't taped or 
taped right.

Try this.  Put your connection (use a toss away one) inside the dish washer. 
Then toss it into the freezer.  Back to the dish washer, then set it in cold 
water.  Then the oven, back to cold water.  Might use some salt water too, 
that'll speed up any corrosion.

If you get ANY water showing up in the connector you've got to do a better 
job of sealing it.

I just took down a competitor's "tower site" at a farmer who fired them. 
They didn't seal the connector at the top of the tower.  Water got into the 
coax and drifted 50' down the tower, into the box and rusted the amp that 
they were using at the bottom of the tower!

EVERYTHING outside needs to be sealed up at these frequencies.

Good luck!  grin
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy


> Marco,
>
> I took your advice on the Polyphaser and came up with a way to put it on
> without adding extra coax. Just screwed the Poly directly to the antenna. 
> So
> it's grounded through the antenna mount itself. I sealed the bottom
> connection but not the top, I know, I probly should have but I was looking
> at the top connection and I see absolutely no way water can get into the
> center pin. Even if it starts to fill up in the connector it will quickly
> drain out of there before it fills up high enough to go over the wall to 
> get
> into the center connector. I tightened the top connector down pretty good
> with a wrench also so we'll see...
>
> BTW the zip ties are temporary! Forgot to grab two hose clamps and I'll be
> up tomorrow for the 900mhz AP and antenna and I'll get it then.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marco Coelho
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:56 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy
>
> I highly recommend them.  Even on DC grounded antennas.
>
> Especially when mounted to the top of a tower.
>
> Marco
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  
> wrote:
>> Is it necessary to add Poly Phaser lightning arrestors on connectorized
>> Canopy units? Even if they are mounted to the tippy top of tower with an
>> Omni?
>>
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave

[Justin Wilson]

I seem to remember some high end radios a couple years ago (maybe
Spectras) having a price for a ³spare² radio.  Maybe I am wrong on this, but
that is what my memory tells me.   Not really helpful. Just ramblings.
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From: John Scrivner 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:23:14 -0500
To: WISPA General List 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave

Attention Bridgewave Support,
You are being copied live on a WISPA email list server.  According to
the guy noted below you guys make it a policy to only sell radios in
pairs instead of one radio even in a hardship situation like this.
That really sounds like you are bullying the customer to me. So here
is the deal. You have a few hundred operators copied on this list. Is
this your policy? Are you going to help this operator or not? Remember
that the future ability for you to sell to operators representing a
couple of million customers are probably represented here on this list
and will read your reply. Let me be clear in stating that I pledge to
NEVER buy from your company, EVER ,if you are not going to help this
guy and sell him the one radio he needs to fix this terrible
situation.
Sincerely,
John Scrivner
President
Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc.



>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
>> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:53 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave
>>
>> One of our installers lost one end of a Bridgewave GE60.  According to
>> our
>> reseller we need to purchase a complete new link.
>>
>> What would you guys do in this case?  Press charges against the
>> installer
>> and file with insurance?  Just fire the employee?  Anyone else had
>> someone
>> this stupid do something similar?
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Marlon K. Schafer]

A remote server.  Even one with a dedicated wireless link from building a to 
building b.

If there's not TO much data, something in another town is a decent 
option too.

If neither of those work for ya, it's pretty hard to beat a usb external 
drive these days.

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jason Hensley" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup


> What are you guys using for "Tape" backup options?  Prefer something SCSI 
> to
> replace existing tape drive that has failed.  I just personally hate tape.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave

[Tom DeReggi]

Allthough, I generally dislike policies that only sell radios in pairs, 
their is a flip side.

60Ghz radios are tougher to make work togeather than other freqs. Its very 
important that the power levels of each radio side are closely matched. 
60Ghz radios are usually tested and certified in pairs at the factory, in 
order to be able to guarantee the proper operation of a pair.  A number of 
times, when we used 60Ghz radios (a brand other than brodgewave) and tried 
to mismatch radios from different pairs, often the links would not work 
properly.

It may be necessary to send the single radio to bridgewave to be matched 
with a new second side radio, and tuned and certified as a new pair. There 
could be a significant cost to that.

I do not want to speak for BRidgewave, I'm just saying It can be more 
complicated than just having Bridgewave sell and send a single radio out as 
a replacement, when dealing with 60Ghz.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave


Attention Bridgewave Support,
You are being copied live on a WISPA email list server.  According to
the guy noted below you guys make it a policy to only sell radios in
pairs instead of one radio even in a hardship situation like this.
That really sounds like you are bullying the customer to me. So here
is the deal. You have a few hundred operators copied on this list. Is
this your policy? Are you going to help this operator or not? Remember
that the future ability for you to sell to operators representing a
couple of million customers are probably represented here on this list
and will read your reply. Let me be clear in stating that I pledge to
NEVER buy from your company, EVER ,if you are not going to help this
guy and sell him the one radio he needs to fix this terrible
situation.
Sincerely,
John Scrivner
President
Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc.



>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
>> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:53 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave
>>
>> One of our installers lost one end of a Bridgewave GE60. According to
>> our
>> reseller we need to purchase a complete new link.
>>
>> What would you guys do in this case? Press charges against the
>> installer
>> and file with insurance? Just fire the employee? Anyone else had
>> someone
>> this stupid do something similar?
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave

[John Scrivner]

Attention Bridgewave Support,
You are being copied live on a WISPA email list server.  According to
the guy noted below you guys make it a policy to only sell radios in
pairs instead of one radio even in a hardship situation like this.
That really sounds like you are bullying the customer to me. So here
is the deal. You have a few hundred operators copied on this list. Is
this your policy? Are you going to help this operator or not? Remember
that the future ability for you to sell to operators representing a
couple of million customers are probably represented here on this list
and will read your reply. Let me be clear in stating that I pledge to
NEVER buy from your company, EVER ,if you are not going to help this
guy and sell him the one radio he needs to fix this terrible
situation.
Sincerely,
John Scrivner
President
Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc.



>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
>> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 1:53 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] "Missing" Bridgewave
>>
>> One of our installers lost one end of a Bridgewave GE60.  According to
>> our
>> reseller we need to purchase a complete new link.
>>
>> What would you guys do in this case?  Press charges against the
>> installer
>> and file with insurance?  Just fire the employee?  Anyone else had
>> someone
>> this stupid do something similar?
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo

[Butch Evans]

On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 17:42 -0500, Dennis Burgess wrote: 
> yep, known bug with UBNT, make sure you have the latest firmware as
> well, as even if you setup a WDS link, it would not pass OSPF protocol
> one way.

He's runnig RIP, not OSPF.  OSPF uses multicast and RIP does not.  This
would not possibly be related to the "bug" you referred to.

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Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo

[Butch Evans]

On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 15:08 -0700, Justin Mann wrote: 
> Currently, the rockets are configured as bridges, in AP and Station 
> mode, with AirMax enabled.
> 
> If anyone has any advice I would appreciate it.

Set the rocket radios to WDS (the station-wds for the clients).

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Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Robert West]

Oooops..  16GB drives.  Sigh...


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:13 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

I have a two clients with small offices and I set the secretary up with 5
usb flash drives with an autorun script.  16mb drives, less than 50 bucks
each.  She swaps them out every morning and snaps it onto her keychain and
thus takes it off site every night.  Has worked pretty well so far.  They
used to have tapes and NEVER changed them.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

Don't forget to move the hard drives in case of
fire/flood/tornado/theft/etc.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> Agree with Ryan.  Use a Thermaltake blac X eSATA $35  buy a $45 each 250GB
> laptop Hard Drive for each day.  Hot swappable.  Backup in 1 hour middle
of
> night.
>
>
>
> Steve Barnes
>
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Ryan Spott
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:27 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup
>
>
>
> Sata drives in a Sata slot reader.
>
>
>
> ryan
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Jason Hensley 
wrote:
>
> What are you guys using for "Tape" backup options?  Prefer something SCSI
to
> replace existing tape drive that has failed.  I just personally hate tape.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo

[Robert West]

That's a big DITTO on that one!  Only way to set them up if doing a bridge.
Anything else is epic fail!

 

Bob-

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Bailey
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo

 


change to ap-wds and sta-wds ;)

--- On Tue, 7/13/10, Justin Mann  wrote:


From: Justin Mann 
Subject: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo
To: wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 6:08 PM

Hello,

My name is Justin. I work for Mark Nash, whom I'm sure you have heard 
from before. I'm his company's engineer. This is my first time writing 
into or reading the WISPA list; Mark suggested that some people here 
might be able to help me with a particular issue we have been 
experiencing.  If anyone here has suggestions as to what the issue would 
be, I would appreciate it.

Here is my scenario. We have two sites; we will call them "A" and "B".

At site "A" we have a Mikrotik router, running RouterOS v4.5. At site 
"B" we have 3 StarOS access points.

Each access point has a /30 on it's ethernet side, shared with the 
router, and uses RIP. We have a bridged StarOS backhaul between them. It 
works pleasantly; the router has never failed to pick up the remote 
networks on the access points before. Recently, we have wanted to 
replace our StarOS backhauls with UBNT Rocket backhauls.

When we attempted to do this, we encountered a very strange bug with no 
workaround I could find. When we switch to the Rocket backhaul, we can 
no longer communicate with remote networks. Now, both the APs and the 
Router are still running RIP - and you can look at the RIP routing 
information and see that the router has indeed received the downstream 
routes. However, we can only communicate with the /30s. If we attempted 
to reach the remote networks, it returns as unreachable - and if we 
attempt to trace those networks, it seems that the Mikrotik router is 
attempting to route traffic to an internal-only address assigned to the 
Rocket backhaul devices.

Example. Network 1.0.0.0/24 is on the far side of Access point A. With 
the StarOS bridged backhauls, the Mikrotik router successfully adds a 
route to its kernel routing table to route 1.0.0.0/24 through the /30 
assigned to the access point. In our failure scenario with the Rockets, 
the same route is successfully received via RIP, and you can see that 
1.0.0.0/24 is still pointing correctly to the /30. However, when the 
router actually attempts to forward a packet, it forwards the packet to 
an internal-only address assigned to the Rocket Backhauls, an address 
that does not appear ANYWHERE in the router's routing table.

What makes it more difficult is that even static routes do not work. If 
RIP is disabled on the respective devices, and a static route is 
entered, it still fails to work - it even fails to work if you 
completely remove the internal network from the router, and leave only 
the /30s on the interface, with a static route. The router still cannot 
communicate with downstream networks - only the /30 directly connected 
to it. this only happens with the UBNT rocket AP is in place.

Currently, the rockets are configured as bridges, in AP and Station 
mode, with AirMax enabled.

If anyone has any advice I would appreciate it.




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Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Robert West]

I have a two clients with small offices and I set the secretary up with 5
usb flash drives with an autorun script.  16mb drives, less than 50 bucks
each.  She swaps them out every morning and snaps it onto her keychain and
thus takes it off site every night.  Has worked pretty well so far.  They
used to have tapes and NEVER changed them.



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Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

Don't forget to move the hard drives in case of
fire/flood/tornado/theft/etc.

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On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> Agree with Ryan.  Use a Thermaltake blac X eSATA $35  buy a $45 each 250GB
> laptop Hard Drive for each day.  Hot swappable.  Backup in 1 hour middle
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wrote:
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> What are you guys using for "Tape" backup options?  Prefer something SCSI
to
> replace existing tape drive that has failed.  I just personally hate tape.
>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Robert West]

Tape???!!!  OH H*LL NO!

The one thing worse than a total crash of a system was having to deal with
the tapes!  

I threw out the last DAT tapes probably 3 years ago.  Set it up to send the
info off site.  Hey, Carbonite has lots of fans!  

Well, except for Hans Solo.  He didn't like it much.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

I've never used tapes.

Old servers tar things up and put it to a NAS.

New servers (that is virtualized) are copied to the NAS (or will be,
in the process of automating this).

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> What are you guys using for "Tape" backup options?  Prefer something SCSI
to
> replace existing tape drive that has failed.  I just personally hate tape.
>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Ryan Spott]

Retrospect for PC/Mac backup. 

Rsync for unix machines.

ryan

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> What backup software is being used now, Veritas ?
> 
> -- Original Message --
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> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:39:59 -0400
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>> CentOS and SCP.
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>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Matt  wrote:
>> 
 I've never used tapes.
 
 Old servers tar things up and put it to a NAS.
 
 New servers (that is virtualized) are copied to the NAS (or will be,
 in the process of automating this).
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Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Josh Luthman]

Self written scripts.

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On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Stuart Pierce  wrote:

> What backup software is being used now, Veritas ?
>
> -- Original Message --
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> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:39:59 -0400
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> >On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Matt  wrote:
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> >> >
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Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Stuart Pierce]

What backup software is being used now, Veritas ?

-- Original Message --
From: Josh Luthman 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:39:59 -0400

>CentOS and SCP.
>
>Software is free and the hardware cost is up to you and your capacity needs.
>
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340
>Direct: 937-552-2343
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>Suite 1337
>Troy, OH 45373
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>On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Matt  wrote:
>
>> > I've never used tapes.
>> >
>> > Old servers tar things up and put it to a NAS.
>> >
>> > New servers (that is virtualized) are copied to the NAS (or will be,
>> > in the process of automating this).
>>
>> What are you using for a NAS?
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Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo

[Josh Luthman]

Seems very strange that it gets the local routes but not the remote routes -
not sure how RIP works as it's been a long time since I've touched it.  Most
everyone does OSPF.

Make sure you have the latest Ubiquiti firmware - a LOT of posts regarding
multicast and routing protocols were addressed.
http://www.ubnt.com/support/downloads

Also, welcome to the ranks of poster!

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On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:

> Every ubnt ptp backhaul we have is running apWDS/stationWDS and we pass
> OSPF over them all day, Both ways.
> What firmware are you using? were running 5.2.1 Beta 2
> But we upgrade as soon as they come out, So we should have hit the bug at
> one point...
>
> Nick Olsen
> Network Operations
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
>
>
> --
> *From*: "Dennis Burgess" 
> *Sent*: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:40 PM
> *To*: "WISPA General List" 
>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo
>
>
> yep, known bug with UBNT, make sure you have the latest firmware as
> well, as even if you setup a WDS link, it would not pass OSPF protocol
> one way.
>
> ---
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Justin Mann
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:17 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo
>
>
>
> I will attempt that. It didn't occur to me before; Star backhauls have
> no WDS configuration as it automatically puts clients in WDS mode if
> they are compatible, but it's an obvious reason as to why it would
> happen. Thank you for your assistance.
>
> On 07/13/2010 03:14 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:
> > change to ap-wds and sta-wds ;)
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 7/13/10, Justin Mann //*
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Justin Mann 
> > Subject: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo
> > To: wireless@wispa.org
> > Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 6:08 PM
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > My name is Justin. I work for Mark Nash, whom I'm sure you have
> heard
> > from before. I'm his company's engineer. This is my first time
> > writing
> > into or reading the WISPA list; Mark suggested that some people
> here
> > might be able to help me with a particular issue we have been
> > experiencing. If anyone here has suggestions as to what the issue
> > would
> > be, I would appreciate it.
> >
> > Here is my scenario. We have two sites; we will call them "A" and
> "B".
> >
> > At site "A" we have a Mikrotik router, running RouterOS v4.5. At
> site
> > "B" we have 3 StarOS access points.
> >
> > Each access point has a /30 on it's ethernet side, shared with the
> > router, and uses RIP. We have a bridged StarOS backhaul between
> > them. It
> > works pleasantly; the router has never failed to pick up the
> remote
> > networks on the access points before. Recently, we have wanted to
> > replace our StarOS backhauls with UBNT Rocket backhauls.
> >
> > When we attempted to do this, we encountered a very strange bug
> > with no
> > workaround I could find. When we switch to the Rocket backhaul, we
> > can
> > no longer communicate with remote networks. Now, both the APs and
> the
> > Router are still running RIP - and you can look at the RIP routing
> > information and see that the router has indeed received the
> > downstream
> > routes. However, we can only communicate with the /30s. If we
> > attempted
> > to reach the remote networks, it returns as unreachable - and if
> we
> > attempt to trace those networks, it seems that the Mikrotik router
> is
> > attempting to route traffic to an internal-only address assigned
> > to the
> > Rocket backhaul devices.
> >
> > Example. Network 1.0.0.0/24 is on the far side of Access point A.
> > With
> > the StarOS bridged backhauls, the Mikrotik router successfully
> adds a
> > route to its kernel routing table to route 1.0.0.0/24 through the
> /30
> > assigned to the access point. In our failure scenario with the
> > Rockets,
> > the same route is successfully received via RIP, and you can see
> that
> > 1.0.0.0/24 is still pointing correctly to the /30. However, when
> the
> > router actually attempts to forward a packet, it forwards the
> > packet to
> > an internal-only address assigned to the Rocket Backhauls, an
> address
> > that does not appear ANYWHERE in the router's routing table.
> >
> > What makes it more difficult is that even static routes do not
> > work. If
> > RIP is disabled on the respective devices, and a static route is
> > entered, it still fails to work - it even fails to work if you
> > completely remove the internal network from

Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Josh Luthman]

CentOS and SCP.

Software is free and the hardware cost is up to you and your capacity needs.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Matt  wrote:

> > I've never used tapes.
> >
> > Old servers tar things up and put it to a NAS.
> >
> > New servers (that is virtualized) are copied to the NAS (or will be,
> > in the process of automating this).
>
> What are you using for a NAS?
>
> Matt
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Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Matt]

> I've never used tapes.
>
> Old servers tar things up and put it to a NAS.
>
> New servers (that is virtualized) are copied to the NAS (or will be,
> in the process of automating this).

What are you using for a NAS?

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Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo

[Nick Olsen]

Every ubnt ptp backhaul we have is running apWDS/stationWDS and we pass 
OSPF over them all day, Both ways.
What firmware are you using? were running 5.2.1 Beta 2
But we upgrade as soon as they come out, So we should have hit the bug at 
one point...

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Network Operations
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From: "Dennis Burgess" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:40 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo

yep, known bug with UBNT, make sure you have the latest firmware as
well, as even if you setup a WDS link, it would not pass OSPF protocol
one way.

---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Justin Mann
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:17 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo

I will attempt that. It didn't occur to me before; Star backhauls have 
no WDS configuration as it automatically puts clients in WDS mode if 
they are compatible, but it's an obvious reason as to why it would 
happen. Thank you for your assistance.

On 07/13/2010 03:14 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:
> change to ap-wds and sta-wds ;)
>
> --- On *Tue, 7/13/10, Justin Mann //*
wrote:
>
>
> From: Justin Mann 
> Subject: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 6:08 PM
>
> Hello,
>
> My name is Justin. I work for Mark Nash, whom I'm sure you have
heard
> from before. I'm his company's engineer. This is my first time
> writing
> into or reading the WISPA list; Mark suggested that some people
here
> might be able to help me with a particular issue we have been
> experiencing.  If anyone here has suggestions as to what the issue
> would
> be, I would appreciate it.
>
> Here is my scenario. We have two sites; we will call them "A" and
"B".
>
> At site "A" we have a Mikrotik router, running RouterOS v4.5. At
site
> "B" we have 3 StarOS access points.
>
> Each access point has a /30 on it's ethernet side, shared with the
> router, and uses RIP. We have a bridged StarOS backhaul between
> them. It
> works pleasantly; the router has never failed to pick up the
remote
> networks on the access points before. Recently, we have wanted to
> replace our StarOS backhauls with UBNT Rocket backhauls.
>
> When we attempted to do this, we encountered a very strange bug
> with no
> workaround I could find. When we switch to the Rocket backhaul, we
> can
> no longer communicate with remote networks. Now, both the APs and
the
> Router are still running RIP - and you can look at the RIP routing
> information and see that the router has indeed received the
> downstream
> routes. However, we can only communicate with the /30s. If we
> attempted
> to reach the remote networks, it returns as unreachable - and if
we
> attempt to trace those networks, it seems that the Mikrotik router
is
> attempting to route traffic to an internal-only address assigned
> to the
> Rocket backhaul devices.
>
> Example. Network 1.0.0.0/24 is on the far side of Access point A.
> With
> the StarOS bridged backhauls, the Mikrotik router successfully
adds a
> route to its kernel routing table to route 1.0.0.0/24 through the
/30
> assigned to the access point. In our failure scenario with the
> Rockets,
> the same route is successfully received via RIP, and you can see
that
> 1.0.0.0/24 is still pointing correctly to the /30. However, when
the
> router actually attempts to forward a packet, it forwards the
> packet to
> an internal-only address assigned to the Rocket Backhauls, an
address
> that does not appear ANYWHERE in the router's routing table.
>
> What makes it more difficult is that even static routes do not
> work. If
> RIP is disabled on the respective devices, and a static route is
> entered, it still fails to work - it even fails to work if you
> completely remove the internal network from the router, and leave
> only
> the /30s on the interface, with a static route. The router still
> cannot
> communicate with downstream networks - only the /30 directly
> connected
> to it. this only happens with the UBNT rocket AP is in place.
>
> Currently, the rockets are configured as bridges, in AP and
Station
> mode, with AirMax enabled.
>
> If anyone has any advice I would appreciate it.
>
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[KosiNet Wireless]

If you have to depend on the Office Manager (Usually a Woman) to swap and 
take it off-site - Tapes fit in the purse well.

Although, we are starting to use the small USB external drives now. They're 
about the same size as tapes..

-Gary-

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Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup


>  I didn't know they made tape drives in the past 5 years.
>
> Pretty much the standard for backup now is just another, remote PC.
>
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
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> On 7/13/2010 3:23 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:
>> What are you guys using for "Tape" backup options?  Prefer something SCSI 
>> to
>> replace existing tape drive that has failed.  I just personally hate 
>> tape.
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Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Nick Olsen]

Seriously, its getting to the point where people have the transit to move 
everything to a server offsite. Or even to another side of your own 
network. Tapes suck...

I think this is a prime time to upgrade.

Ebay?

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Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

I didn't know they made tape drives in the past 5 years.

Pretty much the standard for backup now is just another, remote PC.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

On 7/13/2010 3:23 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:
> What are you guys using for "Tape" backup options?  Prefer something SCSI 
to
> replace existing tape drive that has failed.  I just personally hate 
tape.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo

[Dennis Burgess]

yep, known bug with UBNT, make sure you have the latest firmware as
well, as even if you setup a WDS link, it would not pass OSPF protocol
one way.

---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Justin Mann
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:17 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo



I will attempt that. It didn't occur to me before; Star backhauls have 
no WDS configuration as it automatically puts clients in WDS mode if 
they are compatible, but it's an obvious reason as to why it would 
happen. Thank you for your assistance.

On 07/13/2010 03:14 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:
> change to ap-wds and sta-wds ;)
>
> --- On *Tue, 7/13/10, Justin Mann //*
wrote:
>
>
> From: Justin Mann 
> Subject: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 6:08 PM
>
> Hello,
>
> My name is Justin. I work for Mark Nash, whom I'm sure you have
heard
> from before. I'm his company's engineer. This is my first time
> writing
> into or reading the WISPA list; Mark suggested that some people
here
> might be able to help me with a particular issue we have been
> experiencing.  If anyone here has suggestions as to what the issue
> would
> be, I would appreciate it.
>
> Here is my scenario. We have two sites; we will call them "A" and
"B".
>
> At site "A" we have a Mikrotik router, running RouterOS v4.5. At
site
> "B" we have 3 StarOS access points.
>
> Each access point has a /30 on it's ethernet side, shared with the
> router, and uses RIP. We have a bridged StarOS backhaul between
> them. It
> works pleasantly; the router has never failed to pick up the
remote
> networks on the access points before. Recently, we have wanted to
> replace our StarOS backhauls with UBNT Rocket backhauls.
>
> When we attempted to do this, we encountered a very strange bug
> with no
> workaround I could find. When we switch to the Rocket backhaul, we
> can
> no longer communicate with remote networks. Now, both the APs and
the
> Router are still running RIP - and you can look at the RIP routing
> information and see that the router has indeed received the
> downstream
> routes. However, we can only communicate with the /30s. If we
> attempted
> to reach the remote networks, it returns as unreachable - and if
we
> attempt to trace those networks, it seems that the Mikrotik router
is
> attempting to route traffic to an internal-only address assigned
> to the
> Rocket backhaul devices.
>
> Example. Network 1.0.0.0/24 is on the far side of Access point A.
> With
> the StarOS bridged backhauls, the Mikrotik router successfully
adds a
> route to its kernel routing table to route 1.0.0.0/24 through the
/30
> assigned to the access point. In our failure scenario with the
> Rockets,
> the same route is successfully received via RIP, and you can see
that
> 1.0.0.0/24 is still pointing correctly to the /30. However, when
the
> router actually attempts to forward a packet, it forwards the
> packet to
> an internal-only address assigned to the Rocket Backhauls, an
address
> that does not appear ANYWHERE in the router's routing table.
>
> What makes it more difficult is that even static routes do not
> work. If
> RIP is disabled on the respective devices, and a static route is
> entered, it still fails to work - it even fails to work if you
> completely remove the internal network from the router, and leave
> only
> the /30s on the interface, with a static route. The router still
> cannot
> communicate with downstream networks - only the /30 directly
> connected
> to it. this only happens with the UBNT rocket AP is in place.
>
> Currently, the rockets are configured as bridges, in AP and
Station
> mode, with AirMax enabled.
>
> If anyone has any advice I would appreciate it.
>
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Mike Hammett]

  I didn't know they made tape drives in the past 5 years.

Pretty much the standard for backup now is just another, remote PC.

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On 7/13/2010 3:23 PM, Jason Hensley wrote:
> What are you guys using for "Tape" backup options?  Prefer something SCSI to
> replace existing tape drive that has failed.  I just personally hate tape.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo

[Justin Mann]

I will attempt that. It didn't occur to me before; Star backhauls have 
no WDS configuration as it automatically puts clients in WDS mode if 
they are compatible, but it's an obvious reason as to why it would 
happen. Thank you for your assistance.

On 07/13/2010 03:14 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:
> change to ap-wds and sta-wds ;)
>
> --- On *Tue, 7/13/10, Justin Mann //* wrote:
>
>
> From: Justin Mann 
> Subject: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 6:08 PM
>
> Hello,
>
> My name is Justin. I work for Mark Nash, whom I'm sure you have heard
> from before. I'm his company's engineer. This is my first time
> writing
> into or reading the WISPA list; Mark suggested that some people here
> might be able to help me with a particular issue we have been
> experiencing.  If anyone here has suggestions as to what the issue
> would
> be, I would appreciate it.
>
> Here is my scenario. We have two sites; we will call them "A" and "B".
>
> At site "A" we have a Mikrotik router, running RouterOS v4.5. At site
> "B" we have 3 StarOS access points.
>
> Each access point has a /30 on it's ethernet side, shared with the
> router, and uses RIP. We have a bridged StarOS backhaul between
> them. It
> works pleasantly; the router has never failed to pick up the remote
> networks on the access points before. Recently, we have wanted to
> replace our StarOS backhauls with UBNT Rocket backhauls.
>
> When we attempted to do this, we encountered a very strange bug
> with no
> workaround I could find. When we switch to the Rocket backhaul, we
> can
> no longer communicate with remote networks. Now, both the APs and the
> Router are still running RIP - and you can look at the RIP routing
> information and see that the router has indeed received the
> downstream
> routes. However, we can only communicate with the /30s. If we
> attempted
> to reach the remote networks, it returns as unreachable - and if we
> attempt to trace those networks, it seems that the Mikrotik router is
> attempting to route traffic to an internal-only address assigned
> to the
> Rocket backhaul devices.
>
> Example. Network 1.0.0.0/24 is on the far side of Access point A.
> With
> the StarOS bridged backhauls, the Mikrotik router successfully adds a
> route to its kernel routing table to route 1.0.0.0/24 through the /30
> assigned to the access point. In our failure scenario with the
> Rockets,
> the same route is successfully received via RIP, and you can see that
> 1.0.0.0/24 is still pointing correctly to the /30. However, when the
> router actually attempts to forward a packet, it forwards the
> packet to
> an internal-only address assigned to the Rocket Backhauls, an address
> that does not appear ANYWHERE in the router's routing table.
>
> What makes it more difficult is that even static routes do not
> work. If
> RIP is disabled on the respective devices, and a static route is
> entered, it still fails to work - it even fails to work if you
> completely remove the internal network from the router, and leave
> only
> the /30s on the interface, with a static route. The router still
> cannot
> communicate with downstream networks - only the /30 directly
> connected
> to it. this only happens with the UBNT rocket AP is in place.
>
> Currently, the rockets are configured as bridges, in AP and Station
> mode, with AirMax enabled.
>
> If anyone has any advice I would appreciate it.
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo

[Jason Bailey]

change to ap-wds and sta-wds ;)

--- On Tue, 7/13/10, Justin Mann  wrote:


From: Justin Mann 
Subject: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo
To: wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 6:08 PM


Hello,

My name is Justin. I work for Mark Nash, whom I'm sure you have heard 
from before. I'm his company's engineer. This is my first time writing 
into or reading the WISPA list; Mark suggested that some people here 
might be able to help me with a particular issue we have been 
experiencing.  If anyone here has suggestions as to what the issue would 
be, I would appreciate it.

Here is my scenario. We have two sites; we will call them "A" and "B".

At site "A" we have a Mikrotik router, running RouterOS v4.5. At site 
"B" we have 3 StarOS access points.

Each access point has a /30 on it's ethernet side, shared with the 
router, and uses RIP. We have a bridged StarOS backhaul between them. It 
works pleasantly; the router has never failed to pick up the remote 
networks on the access points before. Recently, we have wanted to 
replace our StarOS backhauls with UBNT Rocket backhauls.

When we attempted to do this, we encountered a very strange bug with no 
workaround I could find. When we switch to the Rocket backhaul, we can 
no longer communicate with remote networks. Now, both the APs and the 
Router are still running RIP - and you can look at the RIP routing 
information and see that the router has indeed received the downstream 
routes. However, we can only communicate with the /30s. If we attempted 
to reach the remote networks, it returns as unreachable - and if we 
attempt to trace those networks, it seems that the Mikrotik router is 
attempting to route traffic to an internal-only address assigned to the 
Rocket backhaul devices.

Example. Network 1.0.0.0/24 is on the far side of Access point A. With 
the StarOS bridged backhauls, the Mikrotik router successfully adds a 
route to its kernel routing table to route 1.0.0.0/24 through the /30 
assigned to the access point. In our failure scenario with the Rockets, 
the same route is successfully received via RIP, and you can see that 
1.0.0.0/24 is still pointing correctly to the /30. However, when the 
router actually attempts to forward a packet, it forwards the packet to 
an internal-only address assigned to the Rocket Backhauls, an address 
that does not appear ANYWHERE in the router's routing table.

What makes it more difficult is that even static routes do not work. If 
RIP is disabled on the respective devices, and a static route is 
entered, it still fails to work - it even fails to work if you 
completely remove the internal network from the router, and leave only 
the /30s on the interface, with a static route. The router still cannot 
communicate with downstream networks - only the /30 directly connected 
to it. this only happens with the UBNT rocket AP is in place.

Currently, the rockets are configured as bridges, in AP and Station 
mode, with AirMax enabled.

If anyone has any advice I would appreciate it.



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Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo

[Bobby Burrow]

Set the AP in AP-WDS and the Station in Station-WDS to make the transparent 
bridge pass traffic.


Sent from my Nokia phone
-Original Message-
From: Justin Mann
Sent:  07/13/2010 4:08:24 PM
Subject:  [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo

Hello,

My name is Justin. I work for Mark Nash, whom I'm sure you have heard 
from before. I'm his company's engineer. This is my first time writing 
into or reading the WISPA list; Mark suggested that some people here 
might be able to help me with a particular issue we have been 
experiencing.  If anyone here has suggestions as to what the issue would 
be, I would appreciate it.

Here is my scenario. We have two sites; we will call them "A" and "B".

At site "A" we have a Mikrotik router, running RouterOS v4.5. At site 
"B" we have 3 StarOS access points.

Each access point has a /30 on it's ethernet side, shared with the 
router, and uses RIP. We have a bridged StarOS backhaul between them. It 
works pleasantly; the router has never failed to pick up the remote 
networks on the access points before. Recently, we have wanted to 
replace our StarOS backhauls with UBNT Rocket backhauls.

When we attempted to do this, we encountered a very strange bug with no 
workaround I could find. When we switch to the Rocket backhaul, we can 
no longer communicate with remote networks. Now, both the APs and the 
Router are still running RIP - and you can look at the RIP routing 
information and see that the router has indeed received the downstream 
routes. However, we can only communicate with the /30s. If we attempted 
to reach the remote networks, it returns as unreachable - and if we 
attempt to trace those networks, it seems that the Mikrotik router is 
attempting to route traffic to an internal-only address assigned to the 
Rocket backhaul devices.

Example. Network 1.0.0.0/24 is on the far side of Access point A. With 
the StarOS bridged backhauls, the Mikrotik router successfully adds a 
route to its kernel routing table to route 1.0.0.0/24 through the /30 
assigned to the access point. In our failure scenario with the Rockets, 
the same route is successfully received via RIP, and you can see that 
1.0.0.0/24 is still pointing correctly to the /30. However, when the 
router actually attempts to forward a packet, it forwards the packet to 
an internal-only address assigned to the Rocket Backhauls, an address 
that does not appear ANYWHERE in the router's routing table.

What makes it more difficult is that even static routes do not work. If 
RIP is disabled on the respective devices, and a static route is 
entered, it still fails to work - it even fails to work if you 
completely remove the internal network from the router, and leave only 
the /30s on the interface, with a static route. The router still cannot 
communicate with downstream networks - only the /30 directly connected 
to it. this only happens with the UBNT rocket AP is in place.

Currently, the rockets are configured as bridges, in AP and Station 
mode, with AirMax enabled.

If anyone has any advice I would appreciate it.



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[WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo

[Justin Mann]

Hello,

My name is Justin. I work for Mark Nash, whom I'm sure you have heard 
from before. I'm his company's engineer. This is my first time writing 
into or reading the WISPA list; Mark suggested that some people here 
might be able to help me with a particular issue we have been 
experiencing.  If anyone here has suggestions as to what the issue would 
be, I would appreciate it.

Here is my scenario. We have two sites; we will call them "A" and "B".

At site "A" we have a Mikrotik router, running RouterOS v4.5. At site 
"B" we have 3 StarOS access points.

Each access point has a /30 on it's ethernet side, shared with the 
router, and uses RIP. We have a bridged StarOS backhaul between them. It 
works pleasantly; the router has never failed to pick up the remote 
networks on the access points before. Recently, we have wanted to 
replace our StarOS backhauls with UBNT Rocket backhauls.

When we attempted to do this, we encountered a very strange bug with no 
workaround I could find. When we switch to the Rocket backhaul, we can 
no longer communicate with remote networks. Now, both the APs and the 
Router are still running RIP - and you can look at the RIP routing 
information and see that the router has indeed received the downstream 
routes. However, we can only communicate with the /30s. If we attempted 
to reach the remote networks, it returns as unreachable - and if we 
attempt to trace those networks, it seems that the Mikrotik router is 
attempting to route traffic to an internal-only address assigned to the 
Rocket backhaul devices.

Example. Network 1.0.0.0/24 is on the far side of Access point A. With 
the StarOS bridged backhauls, the Mikrotik router successfully adds a 
route to its kernel routing table to route 1.0.0.0/24 through the /30 
assigned to the access point. In our failure scenario with the Rockets, 
the same route is successfully received via RIP, and you can see that 
1.0.0.0/24 is still pointing correctly to the /30. However, when the 
router actually attempts to forward a packet, it forwards the packet to 
an internal-only address assigned to the Rocket Backhauls, an address 
that does not appear ANYWHERE in the router's routing table.

What makes it more difficult is that even static routes do not work. If 
RIP is disabled on the respective devices, and a static route is 
entered, it still fails to work - it even fails to work if you 
completely remove the internal network from the router, and leave only 
the /30s on the interface, with a static route. The router still cannot 
communicate with downstream networks - only the /30 directly connected 
to it. this only happens with the UBNT rocket AP is in place.

Currently, the rockets are configured as bridges, in AP and Station 
mode, with AirMax enabled.

If anyone has any advice I would appreciate it.



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Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

[Mark Nash - Lists]

Do what you're drawn to do if you can afford it, but don't let anyone take 
advantage of you that you're not willing to support.

Generally, I don't give price breaks that don't make fiscal sense, unless 
it's an organization that I'm compelled to help.  Like I don't give breaks 
to any religious organization but I support habitat for humanity any time I 
can.  Vet groups & community centers, I'll give them whatever they need. 
Chamber of Commerce we trade service for membership.

One thing that works well for us is that we trade for auto service, though 
we just bought brand new trucks with 125k mile warranties so they're gonna 
be out of luck for awhile.

If you remain true to yourself and your efforts and balance that with giving 
where appropriate, then there's no problem sleeping at night.  You have to 
be able to afford your business activities and an appropriate lifestyle for 
yourself.  Otherwise, what are you doing in business?  For the fun of it? 
There's value also.

- Original Message - 
From: "MDK" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line


>
> I dunno what it is about my personality, but I really, REALLY hate
> collecting money.I hate asking for it.I hate setting prices.
>
> I always look at it as if I were the customer, and what would things be 
> like
> if it were ME paying the bill.Maybe that's the wrong attitude, because
> honestly, it tends to make me undercharge.Objectively, you have to set 
> a
> 'what your time is worth' value and stick to it.But when you do that,
> often you find that your bill is absurdly expensive.  like a $250 bill for
> fixing some guy's computer.   A computer that's not worth 300 bucks.
>
> I take those in from time to time, and work on them ONLY when I have 
> "free"
> time.   And the bill is small.
>
> Still, I think sometimes that's not quite right either, so how do you 
> choose
> to do what you do?   Conscience has to guide, but you also have to be 
> honest
> and you can't undercharge and stay in business, either.
>
> How do y'all do it?
>
>
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
>
> --
> From: "RickG" 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:52 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
>
>> You beat me to it Mark. In the end, history will show that the "free
>> government money attitude" is what was at the root of our country's
>> downfall. Most  WISP's are built on independance. We should fight
>> against the use of our tax dollars for all these wasteful programs. I
>> think all other utilities should be made to stand on their own as
>> well. What better way to show that it works than by our own example?
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM, MDK  wrote:
>>> If you did, how would you sleep at night, knowing you're ripping off
>>> money
>>> for nuttin?
>>>
>>> ++
>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>>> ++
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Glenn Kelley" 
>>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:39 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
>>>
 That was my question.

 I would love to find a way to get $300K to build a number of towers
 around - and then a few thousand per subscriber per year to give them
 VOIP
 and Internet...

 - but then again I guess we all would

 Something however for us to use perhaps as Fodder to show why we
 should -
 when we can service so many more.


 On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Jack Unger wrote:

>  WISPs get a share of the USF funds that will be redirected to
> broadband?
> Noodle me that...



 
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Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

[Ryan Spott]

It really is hard not to be a hippy. :)

ryan

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:50 PM, MDK  wrote:

>
> I dunno what it is about my personality, but I really, REALLY hate
> collecting money.I hate asking for it.I hate setting prices.
>
> I always look at it as if I were the customer, and what would things be
> like
> if it were ME paying the bill.Maybe that's the wrong attitude, because
> honestly, it tends to make me undercharge.Objectively, you have to set
> a
> 'what your time is worth' value and stick to it.But when you do that,
> often you find that your bill is absurdly expensive.  like a $250 bill for
> fixing some guy's computer.   A computer that's not worth 300 bucks.
>
> I take those in from time to time, and work on them ONLY when I have "free"
> time.   And the bill is small.
>
> Still, I think sometimes that's not quite right either, so how do you
> choose
> to do what you do?   Conscience has to guide, but you also have to be
> honest
> and you can't undercharge and stay in business, either.
>
> How do y'all do it?
>
>
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
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> --
> From: "RickG" 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:52 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
>
> > You beat me to it Mark. In the end, history will show that the "free
> > government money attitude" is what was at the root of our country's
> > downfall. Most  WISP's are built on independance. We should fight
> > against the use of our tax dollars for all these wasteful programs. I
> > think all other utilities should be made to stand on their own as
> > well. What better way to show that it works than by our own example?
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM, MDK  wrote:
> >> If you did, how would you sleep at night, knowing you're ripping off
> >> money
> >> for nuttin?
> >>
> >> ++
> >> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> >> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> >> ++
> >>
> >> --
> >> From: "Glenn Kelley" 
> >> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:39 PM
> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
> >>
> >>> That was my question.
> >>>
> >>> I would love to find a way to get $300K to build a number of towers
> >>> around - and then a few thousand per subscriber per year to give them
> >>> VOIP
> >>> and Internet...
> >>>
> >>> - but then again I guess we all would
> >>>
> >>> Something however for us to use perhaps as Fodder to show why we
> >>> should -
> >>> when we can service so many more.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
> >>>
>   WISPs get a share of the USF funds that will be redirected to
>  broadband?
>  Noodle me that...
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

[David E. Smith]

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 15:50, MDK  wrote:


> I always look at it as if I were the customer, and what would things be
> like
> if it were ME paying the bill.Maybe that's the wrong attitude, because
> honestly, it tends to make me undercharge.Objectively, you have to set
> a
> 'what your time is worth' value and stick to it.But when you do that,
> often you find that your bill is absurdly expensive.  like a $250 bill for
> fixing some guy's computer.   A computer that's not worth 300 bucks.
>
>
Once you've done enough of that sort of work, you'll know about how long a
given repair will take, assuming there are no wacky complications. You can
make a somewhat educated estimate of the cost, and you already know how fast
technology depreciates. If you tell them that it's cheaper to buy a new PC
than to fix the old one, and they still want you to do the work, do the
work.

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

[Christopher Erickson]

Maybe think of it more as salvaging the guy's thousands of
hours of effort, data and programs.  Which I am sure he/she
would value at significantly more than $250 to $300.

I give 'em an estimate up front.  If they don't like it,
they say so and save us both (or at least me!) a bunch of
frustration.

"My advice is free and worth every penny!"

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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:50 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
> 
> 
> I dunno what it is about my personality, but I really, REALLY hate 
> collecting money.I hate asking for it.I hate setting prices.
> 
> I always look at it as if I were the customer, and what would 
> things be like 
> if it were ME paying the bill.Maybe that's the wrong 
> attitude, because 
> honestly, it tends to make me undercharge.Objectively, 
> you have to set a 
> 'what your time is worth' value and stick to it.But when 
> you do that, 
> often you find that your bill is absurdly expensive.  like a 
> $250 bill for 
> fixing some guy's computer.   A computer that's not worth 300 bucks.
> 
> I take those in from time to time, and work on them ONLY when 
> I have "free" 
> time.   And the bill is small.
> 
> Still, I think sometimes that's not quite right either, so 
> how do you choose 
> to do what you do?   Conscience has to guide, but you also 
> have to be honest 
> and you can't undercharge and stay in business, either.
> 
> How do y'all do it?
> 
> 
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++
> 
> --
> From: "RickG" 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:52 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
> 
> > You beat me to it Mark. In the end, history will show that the "free
> > government money attitude" is what was at the root of our country's
> > downfall. Most  WISP's are built on independance. We should fight
> > against the use of our tax dollars for all these wasteful 
> programs. I
> > think all other utilities should be made to stand on their own as
> > well. What better way to show that it works than by our own example?
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM, MDK 
>  wrote:
> >> If you did, how would you sleep at night, knowing you're 
> ripping off 
> >> money
> >> for nuttin?
> >>
> >> ++
> >> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> >> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> >> ++
> >>
> >> --
> >> From: "Glenn Kelley" 
> >> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:39 PM
> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets 
> $17,763 per line
> >>
> >>> That was my question.
> >>>
> >>> I would love to find a way to get $300K to build a number 
> of towers
> >>> around - and then a few thousand per subscriber per year 
> to give them 
> >>> VOIP
> >>> and Internet...
> >>>
> >>> - but then again I guess we all would
> >>>
> >>> Something however for us to use perhaps as Fodder to show why we 
> >>> should -
> >>> when we can service so many more.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
> >>>
>   WISPs get a share of the USF funds that will be redirected to 
>  broadband?
>  Noodle me that...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

[Jerry Richardson]

I look at what the competition charges for an equivalent service and/or 
product. This includes the level of competence, customer experience, etc.

then I look at what it costs including my time (again going by industry rates) 
and price accordingly.

In some cases the price may be a bit higher than the competition but we'll 
provide much more value (us VS Satellite), and in other cases we will be the 
low cost alternative (Us vs Teclo T1 or Metro Ethernet.)

As far as fixing computers (which I can but will not do), I would look at it as 
to what is the customer's time and data worth. The computer is a hunk of steel, 
but what's in it may represent thousands of hours of work. for that customer 
300 bucks is cheap.

- Jerry


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of MDK
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:50 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line


I dunno what it is about my personality, but I really, REALLY hate 
collecting money.I hate asking for it.I hate setting prices.

I always look at it as if I were the customer, and what would things be like 
if it were ME paying the bill.Maybe that's the wrong attitude, because 
honestly, it tends to make me undercharge.Objectively, you have to set a 
'what your time is worth' value and stick to it.But when you do that, 
often you find that your bill is absurdly expensive.  like a $250 bill for 
fixing some guy's computer.   A computer that's not worth 300 bucks.

I take those in from time to time, and work on them ONLY when I have "free" 
time.   And the bill is small.

Still, I think sometimes that's not quite right either, so how do you choose 
to do what you do?   Conscience has to guide, but you also have to be honest 
and you can't undercharge and stay in business, either.

How do y'all do it?


++
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541-969-8200  509-386-4589
++

--
From: "RickG" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:52 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

> You beat me to it Mark. In the end, history will show that the "free
> government money attitude" is what was at the root of our country's
> downfall. Most  WISP's are built on independance. We should fight
> against the use of our tax dollars for all these wasteful programs. I
> think all other utilities should be made to stand on their own as
> well. What better way to show that it works than by our own example?
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM, MDK  wrote:
>> If you did, how would you sleep at night, knowing you're ripping off 
>> money
>> for nuttin?
>>
>> ++
>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>> ++
>>
>> --
>> From: "Glenn Kelley" 
>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:39 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
>>
>>> That was my question.
>>>
>>> I would love to find a way to get $300K to build a number of towers
>>> around - and then a few thousand per subscriber per year to give them 
>>> VOIP
>>> and Internet...
>>>
>>> - but then again I guess we all would
>>>
>>> Something however for us to use perhaps as Fodder to show why we 
>>> should -
>>> when we can service so many more.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
>>>
  WISPs get a share of the USF funds that will be redirected to 
 broadband?
 Noodle me that...
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Jonathan Schmidt]

I've got old tapes from the '80s I can't read but have recovered old MAC
SCSI drives from then.  Very recently, in fact.  It took a table-top of
connversion stuff to get real-time access to them.

So, I go the drive backup route.  I also take them off premesis.  

I expect that sometime the interface will be a roadblock as outdated
technology but we'll see it coming and be able to copy them all to a
fingernail-sized holographic gizmo, first.

. . . J o n a t h a n

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

SATA drive in external case with USB.

Travis
Microserv

Jason Hensley wrote:
> What are you guys using for "Tape" backup options?  Prefer something 
> SCSI to replace existing tape drive that has failed.  I just personally
hate tape.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Josh Luthman]

Don't forget to move the hard drives in case of fire/flood/tornado/theft/etc.

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On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> Agree with Ryan.  Use a Thermaltake blac X eSATA $35  buy a $45 each 250GB
> laptop Hard Drive for each day.  Hot swappable.  Backup in 1 hour middle of
> night.
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Ryan Spott
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup
>
>
>
> Sata drives in a Sata slot reader.
>
>
>
> ryan
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Jason Hensley  wrote:
>
> What are you guys using for "Tape" backup options?  Prefer something SCSI to
> replace existing tape drive that has failed.  I just personally hate tape.
>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Steve Barnes]

Agree with Ryan.  Use a Thermaltake blac X eSATA $35  buy a $45 each 250GB 
laptop Hard Drive for each day.  Hot swappable.  Backup in 1 hour middle of 
night.

Steve Barnes
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Of Ryan Spott
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

Sata drives in a Sata slot reader.

ryan
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Jason Hensley 
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Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

[MDK]

I dunno what it is about my personality, but I really, REALLY hate 
collecting money.I hate asking for it.I hate setting prices.

I always look at it as if I were the customer, and what would things be like 
if it were ME paying the bill.Maybe that's the wrong attitude, because 
honestly, it tends to make me undercharge.Objectively, you have to set a 
'what your time is worth' value and stick to it.But when you do that, 
often you find that your bill is absurdly expensive.  like a $250 bill for 
fixing some guy's computer.   A computer that's not worth 300 bucks.

I take those in from time to time, and work on them ONLY when I have "free" 
time.   And the bill is small.

Still, I think sometimes that's not quite right either, so how do you choose 
to do what you do?   Conscience has to guide, but you also have to be honest 
and you can't undercharge and stay in business, either.

How do y'all do it?


++
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From: "RickG" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:52 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

> You beat me to it Mark. In the end, history will show that the "free
> government money attitude" is what was at the root of our country's
> downfall. Most  WISP's are built on independance. We should fight
> against the use of our tax dollars for all these wasteful programs. I
> think all other utilities should be made to stand on their own as
> well. What better way to show that it works than by our own example?
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM, MDK  wrote:
>> If you did, how would you sleep at night, knowing you're ripping off 
>> money
>> for nuttin?
>>
>> ++
>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>> ++
>>
>> --
>> From: "Glenn Kelley" 
>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:39 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
>>
>>> That was my question.
>>>
>>> I would love to find a way to get $300K to build a number of towers
>>> around - and then a few thousand per subscriber per year to give them 
>>> VOIP
>>> and Internet...
>>>
>>> - but then again I guess we all would
>>>
>>> Something however for us to use perhaps as Fodder to show why we 
>>> should -
>>> when we can service so many more.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
>>>
  WISPs get a share of the USF funds that will be redirected to 
 broadband?
 Noodle me that...
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Kosinet Wireless]

We've gotten quite a few from here - Good Pricing.

http://www.coastalmicrosupply.com/

-Gary-

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To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:23 PM
Subject: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup


> What are you guys using for "Tape" backup options?  Prefer something SCSI 
> to
> replace existing tape drive that has failed.  I just personally hate tape.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Travis Johnson]

SATA drive in external case with USB.

Travis
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> replace existing tape drive that has failed.  I just personally hate tape.  
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Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Ryan Spott]

Sata drives in a Sata slot reader.

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> What are you guys using for "Tape" backup options?  Prefer something SCSI
> to
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Re: [WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Josh Luthman]

I've never used tapes.

Old servers tar things up and put it to a NAS.

New servers (that is virtualized) are copied to the NAS (or will be,
in the process of automating this).

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[WISPA] OT: "Tape" backup

[Jason Hensley]

What are you guys using for "Tape" backup options?  Prefer something SCSI to
replace existing tape drive that has failed.  I just personally hate tape.  

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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[Mark Dueck]

I was in High School in 95 here in Belize, and back then we were paying
$2.00/ hour for internet access.  Usernames and passwords were passed
around continuously.  I heard of some businesses getting bills at $7,000
for the month, and a Government office getting a bill for over $10,000. 
Good old days.  The whole country was learning so much back then via
'free' access.


On 07/13/2010 11:37 AM, RickG wrote:
> LOL! I could have said Zoom Modem!!!
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Robert West  
> wrote:
>   
>> Honestly, did you HAVE to inject UMAX into my day?
>>
>> HA!
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:44 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>
>> We have come a long way though. Remember these?
>> http://www.cablemodeminfo.com/umaxreview.html-ssi
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Robert West 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah, but once the price of the good stuff came down it doesn't make any
>>> sense to invest much time into tricking out that junk.  I can put less
>>>   
>> than
>> 
>>> a hundred bucks into a Routerboard or a Ubiquiti radio that will do 10x
>>>   
>> what
>> 
>>> the hacked retail router can do.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:30 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>>
>>> Bob - have you ever tried the solder trick on the old linkys - amazing how
>>> much more ram you can get on those suckers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Just the stripped down v24 that's been out forever.  All of the
 Broadcom based WRT54G versions are stable as can be, as far I've seen,
 but the newer versions, (like the past 5 years!!!) suck.  DD-WRT is
 cool on Broadcom but all the Atheros chips seem to throw it into crazy
 land.  Love those older WRT54G routers with the big as hell flash.  Still
 
>>> going strong.
>>>   
 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

 Which package were you running? There's a number of different
 variations which have more or less features. If one doesn't need the
 full blown packages it's better to run a minimalist version, and turn
 off what ever services you don't need. It's a lot of setup. If you
 need the just basic functionality try the Tomato firmware. It's basic
 and solid. The QOS is decent (works better for me than the dd-wrt).
 The versions that have everything including the kitchen sink scare me
 (the chances of problems and errors rise exponentially as the code
 
>>> bloats).
>>>   
 Greg

 On Jul 12, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Robert West wrote:

 
> My problem with the latest  DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to
> overheat or lockup.  At least on the Linksys hardware.  Not as good
>   
 anymore.
 
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> got me.  We simply use MT.  Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a
> consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but
> sounds like more work than it needs to be.
>
> ---
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> Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line
> Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the
> only way to go  on a SOHO routers.  Why?
>
> What's the benefits?
> What's the down falls?
>
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[Robert West]

Does it look anything like this?

 

http://heartlessmachine.com/section/79989_Modern_Fossils.html

 

HA!

 

Bob-

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

 

Hey I have a 1400 56K modem Nortel unit I couldn't even get a penny bid on
ebay sitting in my garage.  While we're at it I have numerous Portmaster
units 2's and 3's, damned expensive then, not so much worth anything now.

Forbes

On 7/13/2010 11:12 AM, Robert West wrote: 

Yep.  Those were the days when even a keyboard would cost us over a hundred
bucks.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

 

 

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 13:03, Robert West 
wrote:

I couldn't afford 900 bucks for a 9600 baud USR.  Besides, my CompuServe
bill was over 500 bucks per month as it was.

 

I suddenly feel so young. I remember saving up $100 for a 14.4kbps modem
around the time I started college in 1994.

 

David Smith

MVN.net

 

 
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hmmm you forgot about the Smoke Signals...

They would do almost 3 rpm (three rings per min !)

But one had to climb a tall location and collect the wood and light a 
fire...

:)

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On 7/13/2010 1:56 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> At 7/13/2010 01:42 PM, Bob West wrote:
>
>> Oh, really?  So I've told you about my Zoom Telephonic Experience back in
>> 1989 all over a darned 2400 baud modem?
>>
>>  
>
>
>
>> I'm still pissed.
>>
>> Bob-
>>  
> Y'all are too young.
>
> Back in 1965, when I first saw it, DTSS apparently had a network of
> multidrop leased lines (voice-grade) using FDM multiplexors to
> support a whole heap of 33ASR Teletypes at different schools.  The
> 33ASR was smokin' hot at 110 baud (we didn't need no stinkin' bps
> yet).  In the 1970s, IBM wired up whole banks that way, with
> multidrop llnes at 2400 or maybe if you were lucky 9600 bps.
>
> We were well ahead of that in the early 1980s, when I was at DEC,
> which was probably the most networked company in the world at the
> time.  Office buildings full of engineers had a few lightning-fast
> 14,400 bps modems, with 56 kbps links between the computers in the
> same room before Ethernet took over (around 1983).  I had a
> CompUServe account for a little while.  It was $3/hour at 300 bps,
> $9/hour at 1200 bps.  Guess which one I used..
>
> And my take-away is that at each step of the way, at each time, that
> was seen as the cat's pajamas.  And we got a lot done with it.
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[Chuck Hogg]

I can't tell you how many we threw away when we bought some racks at
auction.

 

Regards,

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ch...@shelbybb.com

http://www.shelbybb.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

 

Hey I have a 1400 56K modem Nortel unit I couldn't even get a penny bid
on ebay sitting in my garage.  While we're at it I have numerous
Portmaster units 2's and 3's, damned expensive then, not so much worth
anything now.

Forbes

On 7/13/2010 11:12 AM, Robert West wrote: 

Yep.  Those were the days when even a keyboard would cost us over a
hundred bucks.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

 

 

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 13:03, Robert West 
wrote:

I couldn't afford 900 bucks for a 9600 baud USR.  Besides, my CompuServe
bill was over 500 bucks per month as it was.

 

I suddenly feel so young. I remember saving up $100 for a 14.4kbps modem
around the time I started college in 1994.

 

David Smith

MVN.net

 

 
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[Forbes Mercy]

Hey I have a 1400 56K modem Nortel unit I couldn't even get a penny bid 
on ebay sitting in my garage.  While we're at it I have numerous 
Portmaster units 2's and 3's, damned expensive then, not so much worth 
anything now.


Forbes

On 7/13/2010 11:12 AM, Robert West wrote:


Yep.  Those were the days when even a keyboard would cost us over a 
hundred bucks.


*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *David E. Smith

*Sent:* Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:10 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 13:03, Robert West > wrote:


I couldn't afford 900 bucks for a 9600 baud USR.  Besides, my CompuServe
bill was over 500 bucks per month as it was.

I suddenly feel so young. I remember saving up $100 for a 14.4kbps 
modem around the time I started college in 1994.


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MVN.net





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Re: [WISPA] Polyphaser's on Canopy

[Marco Coelho]

I highly recommend them.  Even on DC grounded antennas.

Especially when mounted to the top of a tower.

Marco



On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> Is it necessary to add Poly Phaser lightning arrestors on connectorized
> Canopy units? Even if they are mounted to the tippy top of tower with an
> Omni?
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[Robert West]

Yep.  Those were the days when even a keyboard would cost us over a hundred
bucks.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

 

 

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 13:03, Robert West 
wrote:

I couldn't afford 900 bucks for a 9600 baud USR.  Besides, my CompuServe
bill was over 500 bucks per month as it was.

 

I suddenly feel so young. I remember saving up $100 for a 14.4kbps modem
around the time I started college in 1994.

 

David Smith

MVN.net

 




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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[David E. Smith]

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 13:03, Robert West wrote:

> I couldn’t afford 900 bucks for a 9600 baud USR.  Besides, my CompuServe
> bill was over 500 bucks per month as it was.
>
>
I suddenly feel so young. I remember saving up $100 for a 14.4kbps modem
around the time I started college in 1994.

David Smith
MVN.net



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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[Robert West]

Anyone do the nightmare that was the Diamond Shotgun Modems?



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

Ya! Back in those "dial-up days" I felt so sorry for the cheap
businesses that forced their employees to share the internet
connection with dozens of users!

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> I sold a crap load of these:
>
> http://www2.dealtime.com/xPF-D-Link-DP-601M-DP-601M
>
> DLink DP-601M Share a full speed 56K connection with a whole office.  I
actually had one company that had 15 users on a Novell network that I hooked
up with one of these.  Everyone shared the same 56K for their email.  They
had no complaints.
>
> Steve Barnes
> General Manager
> PCS-WIN
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:44 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> We have come a long way though. Remember these?
> http://www.cablemodeminfo.com/umaxreview.html-ssi
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Robert West 
wrote:
>> Yeah, but once the price of the good stuff came down it doesn't make
>> any sense to invest much time into tricking out that junk.  I can put
>> less than a hundred bucks into a Routerboard or a Ubiquiti radio that
>> will do 10x what the hacked retail router can do.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:30 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>
>> Bob - have you ever tried the solder trick on the old linkys - amazing
>> how much more ram you can get on those suckers
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>
>>> Just the stripped down v24 that's been out forever.  All of the
>>> Broadcom based WRT54G versions are stable as can be, as far I've
>>> seen, but the newer versions, (like the past 5 years!!!) suck.
>>> DD-WRT is cool on Broadcom but all the Atheros chips seem to throw it
>>> into crazy land.  Love those older WRT54G routers with the big as
>>> hell flash.  Still
>> going strong.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
>>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:15 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>>
>>> Which package were you running? There's a number of different
>>> variations which have more or less features. If one doesn't need the
>>> full blown packages it's better to run a minimalist version, and turn
>>> off what ever services you don't need. It's a lot of setup. If you
>>> need the just basic functionality try the Tomato firmware. It's basic
>>> and solid. The QOS is decent (works better for me than the dd-wrt).
>>> The versions that have everything including the kitchen sink scare me
>>> (the chances of problems and errors rise exponentially as the code
>> bloats).
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>>
 My problem with the latest  DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to
 overheat or lockup.  At least on the Linksys hardware.  Not as good
>>> anymore.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

 got me.  We simply use MT.  Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a
 consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but
 sounds like more work than it needs to be.

 ---
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 Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line
 Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT

 Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the
 only way to go  on a SOHO routers.  Why?

 What's the benefits?
 What's the down falls?

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service



 
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[Robert West]

We were 24 bucks per hour on a 2400 baud modem.  I used it to the max.

Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

At 7/13/2010 01:42 PM, Bob West wrote:
>Oh, really?  So I've told you about my Zoom Telephonic Experience back in
>1989 all over a darned 2400 baud modem?
>



>I'm still pissed.
>
>Bob-

Y'all are too young.

Back in 1965, when I first saw it, DTSS apparently had a network of 
multidrop leased lines (voice-grade) using FDM multiplexors to 
support a whole heap of 33ASR Teletypes at different schools.  The 
33ASR was smokin' hot at 110 baud (we didn't need no stinkin' bps 
yet).  In the 1970s, IBM wired up whole banks that way, with 
multidrop llnes at 2400 or maybe if you were lucky 9600 bps.

We were well ahead of that in the early 1980s, when I was at DEC, 
which was probably the most networked company in the world at the 
time.  Office buildings full of engineers had a few lightning-fast 
14,400 bps modems, with 56 kbps links between the computers in the 
same room before Ethernet took over (around 1983).  I had a 
CompUServe account for a little while.  It was $3/hour at 300 bps, 
$9/hour at 1200 bps.  Guess which one I used..

And my take-away is that at each step of the way, at each time, that 
was seen as the cat's pajamas.  And we got a lot done with it.


  --
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  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[Robert West]

I couldn’t afford 900 bucks for a 9600 baud USR.  Besides, my CompuServe
bill was over 500 bucks per month as it was.

WAY over

Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

No, but I figured as much. USR was the champ back then.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Robert West 
wrote:
> Oh, really?  So I've told you about my Zoom Telephonic Experience back in
> 1989 all over a darned 2400 baud modem?
>
> I'm still pissed.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:37 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> LOL! I could have said Zoom Modem!!!
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Robert West 
> wrote:
>> Honestly, did you HAVE to inject UMAX into my day?
>>
>> HA!
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:44 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>
>> We have come a long way though. Remember these?
>> http://www.cablemodeminfo.com/umaxreview.html-ssi
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Robert West 
>> wrote:
>>> Yeah, but once the price of the good stuff came down it doesn't make any
>>> sense to invest much time into tricking out that junk.  I can put less
>> than
>>> a hundred bucks into a Routerboard or a Ubiquiti radio that will do 10x
>> what
>>> the hacked retail router can do.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:30 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>>
>>> Bob - have you ever tried the solder trick on the old linkys - amazing
> how
>>> much more ram you can get on those suckers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>>
 Just the stripped down v24 that's been out forever.  All of the
 Broadcom based WRT54G versions are stable as can be, as far I've seen,
 but the newer versions, (like the past 5 years!!!) suck.  DD-WRT is
 cool on Broadcom but all the Atheros chips seem to throw it into crazy
 land.  Love those older WRT54G routers with the big as hell flash.
>  Still
>>> going strong.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

 Which package were you running? There's a number of different
 variations which have more or less features. If one doesn't need the
 full blown packages it's better to run a minimalist version, and turn
 off what ever services you don't need. It's a lot of setup. If you
 need the just basic functionality try the Tomato firmware. It's basic
 and solid. The QOS is decent (works better for me than the dd-wrt).
 The versions that have everything including the kitchen sink scare me
 (the chances of problems and errors rise exponentially as the code
>>> bloats).

 Greg

 On Jul 12, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Robert West wrote:

> My problem with the latest  DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to
> overheat or lockup.  At least on the Linksys hardware.  Not as good
 anymore.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> got me.  We simply use MT.  Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a
> consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but
> sounds like more work than it needs to be.
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc --
> Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line
> Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the
> only way to go  on a SOHO routers.  Why?
>
> What's the benefits?
> What's the down falls?
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[Fred Goldstein]

At 7/13/2010 01:42 PM, Bob West wrote:
>Oh, really?  So I've told you about my Zoom Telephonic Experience back in
>1989 all over a darned 2400 baud modem?
>



>I'm still pissed.
>
>Bob-

Y'all are too young.

Back in 1965, when I first saw it, DTSS apparently had a network of 
multidrop leased lines (voice-grade) using FDM multiplexors to 
support a whole heap of 33ASR Teletypes at different schools.  The 
33ASR was smokin' hot at 110 baud (we didn't need no stinkin' bps 
yet).  In the 1970s, IBM wired up whole banks that way, with 
multidrop llnes at 2400 or maybe if you were lucky 9600 bps.

We were well ahead of that in the early 1980s, when I was at DEC, 
which was probably the most networked company in the world at the 
time.  Office buildings full of engineers had a few lightning-fast 
14,400 bps modems, with 56 kbps links between the computers in the 
same room before Ethernet took over (around 1983).  I had a 
CompUServe account for a little while.  It was $3/hour at 300 bps, 
$9/hour at 1200 bps.  Guess which one I used..

And my take-away is that at each step of the way, at each time, that 
was seen as the cat's pajamas.  And we got a lot done with it.


  --
  Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
  +1 617 795 2701 




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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[RickG]

No, but I figured as much. USR was the champ back then.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> Oh, really?  So I've told you about my Zoom Telephonic Experience back in
> 1989 all over a darned 2400 baud modem?
>
> I'm still pissed.
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:37 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> LOL! I could have said Zoom Modem!!!
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Robert West 
> wrote:
>> Honestly, did you HAVE to inject UMAX into my day?
>>
>> HA!
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:44 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>
>> We have come a long way though. Remember these?
>> http://www.cablemodeminfo.com/umaxreview.html-ssi
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Robert West 
>> wrote:
>>> Yeah, but once the price of the good stuff came down it doesn't make any
>>> sense to invest much time into tricking out that junk.  I can put less
>> than
>>> a hundred bucks into a Routerboard or a Ubiquiti radio that will do 10x
>> what
>>> the hacked retail router can do.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:30 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>>
>>> Bob - have you ever tried the solder trick on the old linkys - amazing
> how
>>> much more ram you can get on those suckers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>>
 Just the stripped down v24 that's been out forever.  All of the
 Broadcom based WRT54G versions are stable as can be, as far I've seen,
 but the newer versions, (like the past 5 years!!!) suck.  DD-WRT is
 cool on Broadcom but all the Atheros chips seem to throw it into crazy
 land.  Love those older WRT54G routers with the big as hell flash.
>  Still
>>> going strong.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

 Which package were you running? There's a number of different
 variations which have more or less features. If one doesn't need the
 full blown packages it's better to run a minimalist version, and turn
 off what ever services you don't need. It's a lot of setup. If you
 need the just basic functionality try the Tomato firmware. It's basic
 and solid. The QOS is decent (works better for me than the dd-wrt).
 The versions that have everything including the kitchen sink scare me
 (the chances of problems and errors rise exponentially as the code
>>> bloats).

 Greg

 On Jul 12, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Robert West wrote:

> My problem with the latest  DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to
> overheat or lockup.  At least on the Linksys hardware.  Not as good
 anymore.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> got me.  We simply use MT.  Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a
> consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but
> sounds like more work than it needs to be.
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc --
> Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line
> Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the
> only way to go  on a SOHO routers.  Why?
>
> What's the benefits?
> What's the down falls?
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[Robert West]

Oh, really?  So I've told you about my Zoom Telephonic Experience back in
1989 all over a darned 2400 baud modem?

I'm still pissed.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

LOL! I could have said Zoom Modem!!!

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Robert West 
wrote:
> Honestly, did you HAVE to inject UMAX into my day?
>
> HA!
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:44 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> We have come a long way though. Remember these?
> http://www.cablemodeminfo.com/umaxreview.html-ssi
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Robert West 
> wrote:
>> Yeah, but once the price of the good stuff came down it doesn't make any
>> sense to invest much time into tricking out that junk.  I can put less
> than
>> a hundred bucks into a Routerboard or a Ubiquiti radio that will do 10x
> what
>> the hacked retail router can do.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:30 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>
>> Bob - have you ever tried the solder trick on the old linkys - amazing
how
>> much more ram you can get on those suckers
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>
>>> Just the stripped down v24 that's been out forever.  All of the
>>> Broadcom based WRT54G versions are stable as can be, as far I've seen,
>>> but the newer versions, (like the past 5 years!!!) suck.  DD-WRT is
>>> cool on Broadcom but all the Atheros chips seem to throw it into crazy
>>> land.  Love those older WRT54G routers with the big as hell flash.
 Still
>> going strong.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
>>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:15 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>>
>>> Which package were you running? There's a number of different
>>> variations which have more or less features. If one doesn't need the
>>> full blown packages it's better to run a minimalist version, and turn
>>> off what ever services you don't need. It's a lot of setup. If you
>>> need the just basic functionality try the Tomato firmware. It's basic
>>> and solid. The QOS is decent (works better for me than the dd-wrt).
>>> The versions that have everything including the kitchen sink scare me
>>> (the chances of problems and errors rise exponentially as the code
>> bloats).
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>>
 My problem with the latest  DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to
 overheat or lockup.  At least on the Linksys hardware.  Not as good
>>> anymore.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

 got me.  We simply use MT.  Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a
 consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but
 sounds like more work than it needs to be.

 ---
 Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc --
 Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line
 Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT

 Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the
 only way to go  on a SOHO routers.  Why?

 What's the benefits?
 What's the down falls?

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service



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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[Josh Luthman]

I shared a 33.6K USR modem with ICS in Windows 98 days.  Boy did I
hate playing games when Netscape had a new version released...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:37 PM, RickG  wrote:
> LOL! I could have said Zoom Modem!!!
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Robert West  
> wrote:
>> Honestly, did you HAVE to inject UMAX into my day?
>>
>> HA!
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:44 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>
>> We have come a long way though. Remember these?
>> http://www.cablemodeminfo.com/umaxreview.html-ssi
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Robert West 
>> wrote:
>>> Yeah, but once the price of the good stuff came down it doesn't make any
>>> sense to invest much time into tricking out that junk.  I can put less
>> than
>>> a hundred bucks into a Routerboard or a Ubiquiti radio that will do 10x
>> what
>>> the hacked retail router can do.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:30 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>>
>>> Bob - have you ever tried the solder trick on the old linkys - amazing how
>>> much more ram you can get on those suckers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>>
 Just the stripped down v24 that's been out forever.  All of the
 Broadcom based WRT54G versions are stable as can be, as far I've seen,
 but the newer versions, (like the past 5 years!!!) suck.  DD-WRT is
 cool on Broadcom but all the Atheros chips seem to throw it into crazy
 land.  Love those older WRT54G routers with the big as hell flash.  Still
>>> going strong.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:15 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

 Which package were you running? There's a number of different
 variations which have more or less features. If one doesn't need the
 full blown packages it's better to run a minimalist version, and turn
 off what ever services you don't need. It's a lot of setup. If you
 need the just basic functionality try the Tomato firmware. It's basic
 and solid. The QOS is decent (works better for me than the dd-wrt).
 The versions that have everything including the kitchen sink scare me
 (the chances of problems and errors rise exponentially as the code
>>> bloats).

 Greg

 On Jul 12, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Robert West wrote:

> My problem with the latest  DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to
> overheat or lockup.  At least on the Linksys hardware.  Not as good
 anymore.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> got me.  We simply use MT.  Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a
> consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but
> sounds like more work than it needs to be.
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc --
> Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line
> Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the
> only way to go  on a SOHO routers.  Why?
>
> What's the benefits?
> What's the down falls?
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[RickG]

LOL! I could have said Zoom Modem!!!

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> Honestly, did you HAVE to inject UMAX into my day?
>
> HA!
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:44 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> We have come a long way though. Remember these?
> http://www.cablemodeminfo.com/umaxreview.html-ssi
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Robert West 
> wrote:
>> Yeah, but once the price of the good stuff came down it doesn't make any
>> sense to invest much time into tricking out that junk.  I can put less
> than
>> a hundred bucks into a Routerboard or a Ubiquiti radio that will do 10x
> what
>> the hacked retail router can do.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:30 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>
>> Bob - have you ever tried the solder trick on the old linkys - amazing how
>> much more ram you can get on those suckers
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>
>>> Just the stripped down v24 that's been out forever.  All of the
>>> Broadcom based WRT54G versions are stable as can be, as far I've seen,
>>> but the newer versions, (like the past 5 years!!!) suck.  DD-WRT is
>>> cool on Broadcom but all the Atheros chips seem to throw it into crazy
>>> land.  Love those older WRT54G routers with the big as hell flash.  Still
>> going strong.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
>>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:15 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>>
>>> Which package were you running? There's a number of different
>>> variations which have more or less features. If one doesn't need the
>>> full blown packages it's better to run a minimalist version, and turn
>>> off what ever services you don't need. It's a lot of setup. If you
>>> need the just basic functionality try the Tomato firmware. It's basic
>>> and solid. The QOS is decent (works better for me than the dd-wrt).
>>> The versions that have everything including the kitchen sink scare me
>>> (the chances of problems and errors rise exponentially as the code
>> bloats).
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>>
 My problem with the latest  DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to
 overheat or lockup.  At least on the Linksys hardware.  Not as good
>>> anymore.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

 got me.  We simply use MT.  Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a
 consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but
 sounds like more work than it needs to be.

 ---
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 Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line
 Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"


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 On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT

 Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the
 only way to go  on a SOHO routers.  Why?

 What's the benefits?
 What's the down falls?

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 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service



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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[RickG]

Ya! Back in those "dial-up days" I felt so sorry for the cheap
businesses that forced their employees to share the internet
connection with dozens of users!

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> I sold a crap load of these:
>
> http://www2.dealtime.com/xPF-D-Link-DP-601M-DP-601M
>
> DLink DP-601M Share a full speed 56K connection with a whole office.  I 
> actually had one company that had 15 users on a Novell network that I hooked 
> up with one of these.  Everyone shared the same 56K for their email.  They 
> had no complaints.
>
> Steve Barnes
> General Manager
> PCS-WIN
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:44 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> We have come a long way though. Remember these?
> http://www.cablemodeminfo.com/umaxreview.html-ssi
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Robert West  
> wrote:
>> Yeah, but once the price of the good stuff came down it doesn't make
>> any sense to invest much time into tricking out that junk.  I can put
>> less than a hundred bucks into a Routerboard or a Ubiquiti radio that
>> will do 10x what the hacked retail router can do.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:30 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>
>> Bob - have you ever tried the solder trick on the old linkys - amazing
>> how much more ram you can get on those suckers
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>
>>> Just the stripped down v24 that's been out forever.  All of the
>>> Broadcom based WRT54G versions are stable as can be, as far I've
>>> seen, but the newer versions, (like the past 5 years!!!) suck.
>>> DD-WRT is cool on Broadcom but all the Atheros chips seem to throw it
>>> into crazy land.  Love those older WRT54G routers with the big as
>>> hell flash.  Still
>> going strong.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
>>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:15 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>>
>>> Which package were you running? There's a number of different
>>> variations which have more or less features. If one doesn't need the
>>> full blown packages it's better to run a minimalist version, and turn
>>> off what ever services you don't need. It's a lot of setup. If you
>>> need the just basic functionality try the Tomato firmware. It's basic
>>> and solid. The QOS is decent (works better for me than the dd-wrt).
>>> The versions that have everything including the kitchen sink scare me
>>> (the chances of problems and errors rise exponentially as the code
>> bloats).
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>>
 My problem with the latest  DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to
 overheat or lockup.  At least on the Linksys hardware.  Not as good
>>> anymore.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

 got me.  We simply use MT.  Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a
 consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but
 sounds like more work than it needs to be.

 ---
 Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc --
 Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
 Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line
 Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT

 Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the
 only way to go  on a SOHO routers.  Why?

 What's the benefits?
 What's the down falls?

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 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service



 
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[Robert West]

Honestly, did you HAVE to inject UMAX into my day?

HA!

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

We have come a long way though. Remember these?
http://www.cablemodeminfo.com/umaxreview.html-ssi

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Robert West 
wrote:
> Yeah, but once the price of the good stuff came down it doesn't make any
> sense to invest much time into tricking out that junk.  I can put less
than
> a hundred bucks into a Routerboard or a Ubiquiti radio that will do 10x
what
> the hacked retail router can do.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:30 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> Bob - have you ever tried the solder trick on the old linkys - amazing how
> much more ram you can get on those suckers
>
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Robert West wrote:
>
>> Just the stripped down v24 that's been out forever.  All of the
>> Broadcom based WRT54G versions are stable as can be, as far I've seen,
>> but the newer versions, (like the past 5 years!!!) suck.  DD-WRT is
>> cool on Broadcom but all the Atheros chips seem to throw it into crazy
>> land.  Love those older WRT54G routers with the big as hell flash.  Still
> going strong.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:15 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>
>> Which package were you running? There's a number of different
>> variations which have more or less features. If one doesn't need the
>> full blown packages it's better to run a minimalist version, and turn
>> off what ever services you don't need. It's a lot of setup. If you
>> need the just basic functionality try the Tomato firmware. It's basic
>> and solid. The QOS is decent (works better for me than the dd-wrt).
>> The versions that have everything including the kitchen sink scare me
>> (the chances of problems and errors rise exponentially as the code
> bloats).
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>
>>> My problem with the latest  DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to
>>> overheat or lockup.  At least on the Linksys hardware.  Not as good
>> anymore.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
>>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>>
>>> got me.  We simply use MT.  Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a
>>> consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but
>>> sounds like more work than it needs to be.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc --
>>> Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line
>>> Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>>
>>> Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the
>>> only way to go  on a SOHO routers.  Why?
>>>
>>> What's the benefits?
>>> What's the down falls?
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

[Fred Goldstein]

At 7/13/2010 11:52 AM, RickG wrote:
>You beat me to it Mark. In the end, history will show that the "free
>government money attitude" is what was at the root of our country's
>downfall. Most  WISP's are built on independance. We should fight
>against the use of our tax dollars for all these wasteful programs. I
>think all other utilities should be made to stand on their own as
>well. What better way to show that it works than by our own example?

I'm less opposed to USF in principle, if it were properly run (which 
it isn't), noting two factors.

1)  It really is expensive to bring service to some places, and 
having people "on the network", even POTS, makes the network more 
useful for everyone.

2)  Rural states have two senators each, and they demanded it, so we're stuck.

Given that realpolitik, the correct answer is for USF to be more 
carefully targeted.  Right now the RLEC is encouraged to waste money, 
building gold-plated networks and large organizations to support few 
customers.  Wireless loops are not considered a viable option, except 
for the most extreme cases, and the FCC has almost no spectrum (BETRS 
anyone?) for it.  USF comes from one bureau (WCB) and spectrum 
another (WTB) and they seem to like and want to help each other about 
as much as the two Koreas do.  This can only be fixed at the top; WTB 
was Not Interested:

http://www.ionary.com/ion-FCC-comments.html

One of the pending proposals is for USF to be auctioned off, so that 
the low bidder gets the USF support for a given area.  This sounds 
nice in practice, since anyone on this list could design and run a 
high-quality network for a fraction of what TDS, CenturyTel, or your 
local mom'n'pop RLEC spends.  But the RLECs are mostly financed by 
RUS debt, paid off by USF.  (Two government agencies doing a 
tango.)  Would RUS really want its debtholders shut down?  Guess who 
holds that bag!

But before you rail against government money in general, bear in mind 
that it is mostly rural folks who yell stuff like, "keep the 
government's hands off of my farm subsidies!".  We city folk are on 
the giving end.

>On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM, MDK  wrote:
> > If you did, how would you sleep at night, knowing you're ripping off money
> > for nuttin?
> >
> > ++
> > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> > 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> > ++
> >
> > --
> > From: "Glenn Kelley" 
> > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:39 PM
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
> >
> >> That was my question.
> >>
> >> I would love to find a way to get $300K to build a number of towers
> >> around - and then a few thousand per subscriber per year to give them VOIP
> >> and Internet...
> >>
> >> - but then again I guess we all would
> >>
> >> Something however for us to use perhaps as Fodder to show why we should -
> >> when we can service so many more.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
> >>
> >>>  WISPs get a share of the USF funds that will be redirected to broadband?
> >>> Noodle me that...
> >>
> >>
> >>

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Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

[Glenn Kelley]

Rick - In the end I agree with you.


On Jul 13, 2010, at 11:52 AM, RickG wrote:

> You beat me to it Mark. In the end, history will show that the "free
> government money attitude" is what was at the root of our country's
> downfall. Most  WISP's are built on independance. We should fight
> against the use of our tax dollars for all these wasteful programs. I
> think all other utilities should be made to stand on their own as
> well. What better way to show that it works than by our own example?
> 
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM, MDK  wrote:
>> If you did, how would you sleep at night, knowing you're ripping off money
>> for nuttin?
>> 
>> ++
>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>> ++
>> 
>> --
>> From: "Glenn Kelley" 
>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:39 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
>> 
>>> That was my question.
>>> 
>>> I would love to find a way to get $300K to build a number of towers
>>> around - and then a few thousand per subscriber per year to give them VOIP
>>> and Internet...
>>> 
>>> - but then again I guess we all would
>>> 
>>> Something however for us to use perhaps as Fodder to show why we should -
>>> when we can service so many more.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
>>> 
  WISPs get a share of the USF funds that will be redirected to broadband?
 Noodle me that...
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[Steve Barnes]

I sold a crap load of these:

http://www2.dealtime.com/xPF-D-Link-DP-601M-DP-601M

DLink DP-601M Share a full speed 56K connection with a whole office.  I 
actually had one company that had 15 users on a Novell network that I hooked up 
with one of these.  Everyone shared the same 56K for their email.  They had no 
complaints.

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCS-WIN
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

We have come a long way though. Remember these?
http://www.cablemodeminfo.com/umaxreview.html-ssi

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Robert West  wrote:
> Yeah, but once the price of the good stuff came down it doesn't make 
> any sense to invest much time into tricking out that junk.  I can put 
> less than a hundred bucks into a Routerboard or a Ubiquiti radio that 
> will do 10x what the hacked retail router can do.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:30 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> Bob - have you ever tried the solder trick on the old linkys - amazing 
> how much more ram you can get on those suckers
>
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Robert West wrote:
>
>> Just the stripped down v24 that's been out forever.  All of the 
>> Broadcom based WRT54G versions are stable as can be, as far I've 
>> seen, but the newer versions, (like the past 5 years!!!) suck.  
>> DD-WRT is cool on Broadcom but all the Atheros chips seem to throw it 
>> into crazy land.  Love those older WRT54G routers with the big as 
>> hell flash.  Still
> going strong.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:15 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>
>> Which package were you running? There's a number of different 
>> variations which have more or less features. If one doesn't need the 
>> full blown packages it's better to run a minimalist version, and turn 
>> off what ever services you don't need. It's a lot of setup. If you 
>> need the just basic functionality try the Tomato firmware. It's basic 
>> and solid. The QOS is decent (works better for me than the dd-wrt).
>> The versions that have everything including the kitchen sink scare me 
>> (the chances of problems and errors rise exponentially as the code
> bloats).
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>
>>> My problem with the latest  DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to 
>>> overheat or lockup.  At least on the Linksys hardware.  Not as good
>> anymore.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
>>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>>
>>> got me.  We simply use MT.  Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a 
>>> consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but 
>>> sounds like more work than it needs to be.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- 
>>> Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line 
>>> Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>>
>>> Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the 
>>> only way to go  on a SOHO routers.  Why?
>>>
>>> What's the benefits?
>>> What's the down falls?
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

[RickG]

You beat me to it Mark. In the end, history will show that the "free
government money attitude" is what was at the root of our country's
downfall. Most  WISP's are built on independance. We should fight
against the use of our tax dollars for all these wasteful programs. I
think all other utilities should be made to stand on their own as
well. What better way to show that it works than by our own example?

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM, MDK  wrote:
> If you did, how would you sleep at night, knowing you're ripping off money
> for nuttin?
>
> ++
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> ++
>
> --
> From: "Glenn Kelley" 
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:39 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
>
>> That was my question.
>>
>> I would love to find a way to get $300K to build a number of towers
>> around - and then a few thousand per subscriber per year to give them VOIP
>> and Internet...
>>
>> - but then again I guess we all would
>>
>> Something however for us to use perhaps as Fodder to show why we should -
>> when we can service so many more.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
>>
>>>  WISPs get a share of the USF funds that will be redirected to broadband?
>>> Noodle me that...
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[RickG]

We have come a long way though. Remember these?
http://www.cablemodeminfo.com/umaxreview.html-ssi

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Robert West  wrote:
> Yeah, but once the price of the good stuff came down it doesn't make any
> sense to invest much time into tricking out that junk.  I can put less than
> a hundred bucks into a Routerboard or a Ubiquiti radio that will do 10x what
> the hacked retail router can do.
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:30 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>
> Bob - have you ever tried the solder trick on the old linkys - amazing how
> much more ram you can get on those suckers
>
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Robert West wrote:
>
>> Just the stripped down v24 that's been out forever.  All of the
>> Broadcom based WRT54G versions are stable as can be, as far I've seen,
>> but the newer versions, (like the past 5 years!!!) suck.  DD-WRT is
>> cool on Broadcom but all the Atheros chips seem to throw it into crazy
>> land.  Love those older WRT54G routers with the big as hell flash.  Still
> going strong.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:15 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>
>> Which package were you running? There's a number of different
>> variations which have more or less features. If one doesn't need the
>> full blown packages it's better to run a minimalist version, and turn
>> off what ever services you don't need. It's a lot of setup. If you
>> need the just basic functionality try the Tomato firmware. It's basic
>> and solid. The QOS is decent (works better for me than the dd-wrt).
>> The versions that have everything including the kitchen sink scare me
>> (the chances of problems and errors rise exponentially as the code
> bloats).
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>
>>> My problem with the latest  DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to
>>> overheat or lockup.  At least on the Linksys hardware.  Not as good
>> anymore.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
>>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>>
>>> got me.  We simply use MT.  Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a
>>> consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but
>>> sounds like more work than it needs to be.
>>>
>>> ---
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>>> Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
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>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>>>
>>> Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the
>>> only way to go  on a SOHO routers.  Why?
>>>
>>> What's the benefits?
>>> What's the down falls?
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

[Jeremy Parr]

On 13 July 2010 11:18, Mike  wrote:

> But, then you'd be in dire straights!
>

But you would have one hell of a Telegraph Road to show for it though!



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Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

[Andy Hull]

  Cue the sad trombone!

On 7/13/2010 11:18 AM, Mike wrote:
> But, then you'd be in dire straights!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:17 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
>
> And chicks for free?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of MDK
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:15 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line
>
> If you did, how would you sleep at night, knowing you're ripping off money
> for nuttin?
>
> ++
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives

[Paul Gerstenberger]

It'll be a temporary solution until we get our VMWare cluster, I went ahead and 
ordered it.

-Paul

On Jul 12, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> I don't know if I would get an Atom CPU for a user manager box but I know 
> that box would be an improvement over the RB anything.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Paul Gerstenberger  wrote:
> So you think an Atom based x86 server with an SSD will do pretty well for a 
> dedicated User Manager box?
> 
> Something like this:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262
> 
> -Paul
> 
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> 
> > You may be having a disk IO issue - the Routerboards are quite slow
> > reading to "disk".  A junkyard PC would probably be faster then the
> > RB1000.
> >
> > Do you have CPU and RAM graphed?  If not you should...and on every
> > other RouterOS device, too.
> >
> > As of 3.18 or 22 (around there) you get /sys store which let's you
> > move just about everything.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Paul Gerstenberger  wrote:
> >> I'd be very interested in something like this. I attempted a freeradius 
> >> install once, but gave up when I found the User Manager so quick and easy.
> >>
> >> So would running the UM in a VM likely solve the performance issues? There 
> >> is one other thing I thought of: I downgraded the RAM in the RB1000 where 
> >> I'm running the UM to 512MB (from 2GB) when I was troubleshooting an issue 
> >> earlier. I put the board back into production but forgot to restore the 
> >> RAM. Perhaps that might help...
> >>
> >> I'm using the internal filesystem on the RB, can I point the UM to a CF 
> >> card instead?
> >>
> >> -Paul
> >>
> >> On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >>
> >>>  I am working on making a fresh WIKI article to walk someone through
> >>> setting up FreeRADIUS, MySQL, and FreeSide.
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Mike Hammett
> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >>> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 7/9/2010 12:21 PM, David wrote:
>  You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use a
>  database like mysql.
> 
>  David Blood
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
> > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
> >
> > We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000
> > for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is
> > slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few
> > months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way
> > into our current customer base.
> >
> > I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it
> > just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM
> > on x86 hardware?
> >
> > Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two
> > to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb.
> >
> > -Paul
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

[Mike]

But, then you'd be in dire straights!
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:17 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

And chicks for free?
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

If you did, how would you sleep at night, knowing you're ripping off money 
for nuttin?

++
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541-969-8200  509-386-4589
++

--
From: "Glenn Kelley" 
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:39 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

> That was my question.
>
> I would love to find a way to get $300K to build a number of towers 
> around - and then a few thousand per subscriber per year to give them VOIP

> and Internet...
>
> - but then again I guess we all would
>
> Something however for us to use perhaps as Fodder to show why we should - 
> when we can service so many more.
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
>
>>  WISPs get a share of the USF funds that will be redirected to broadband?

>> Noodle me that...
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

[Mike]

And chicks for free?
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:15 AM
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If you did, how would you sleep at night, knowing you're ripping off money 
for nuttin?

++
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--
From: "Glenn Kelley" 
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:39 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

> That was my question.
>
> I would love to find a way to get $300K to build a number of towers 
> around - and then a few thousand per subscriber per year to give them VOIP

> and Internet...
>
> - but then again I guess we all would
>
> Something however for us to use perhaps as Fodder to show why we should - 
> when we can service so many more.
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
>
>>  WISPs get a share of the USF funds that will be redirected to broadband?

>> Noodle me that...
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

[MDK]

If you did, how would you sleep at night, knowing you're ripping off money 
for nuttin?

++
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541-969-8200  509-386-4589
++

--
From: "Glenn Kelley" 
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:39 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

> That was my question.
>
> I would love to find a way to get $300K to build a number of towers 
> around - and then a few thousand per subscriber per year to give them VOIP 
> and Internet...
>
> - but then again I guess we all would
>
> Something however for us to use perhaps as Fodder to show why we should - 
> when we can service so many more.
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
>
>>  WISPs get a share of the USF funds that will be redirected to broadband? 
>> Noodle me that...
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

[Fred Goldstein]

At 7/13/2010 09:17 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote:
>I apologize, but WT% !?!? What and where is the documentation about 
>this change to USF, the plan to put WISP's out of business once and 
>for all. Who in their right mind would be in or start a WISP, when 
>it's crazy enough already ?

The problem with keeping track of the FCC is that they have multiple 
dockets going at once, some open for over a dozen years.

There has been a USF docket open since maybe forever (probably 1996 
when it was founded).  There has also been an open docket on 
intercarrier compensation (what IXCs and LECs pay each other) since 
2001.  Now at first glance you might not think these are related, but 
USF was created in order to allow intercarrier compensation to return 
towards cost, instead of having huge per-minute rates from IXCs as 
the sole subsidy to rural carriers.  And it doesn't take a PhD in 
economics from Chicago ;-) to understand that VoIP is part of the 
picture too, since a Skype call pays precisely zero.  So charge too 
much for long distance and you move people to VoIP, which is 
happening, so USF is how they hold the rural carriers harmless while 
fixing that issue.

In November, 2008, the FCC announced the next stage of its 
intercarrier compensation *and* USF dockets.  They put out a massive 
"further NPRM" and took Comments for the n'th time.  The USF portion 
of the plan called for phasing out all Competitive ETC support.  This 
followed an earlier freeze (I think that was temporary) on new CETCs, 
so existing ones get paid but new ones need not apply.  (That 
December, I put together a pair of lengthy Comments, on USF and 
Intercarrier, for a group of CLECs called the Coalition for Rational 
Universal Service and Intercarrier Reform.  You can find them on my 
web site, where I have pointers to some of my FCC Comments.) And in 
April of this year, they put out yet another NPRM on USF reform, 
again capping CETC support at current levels (no new ones need apply) 
and phasing all CETCs out over five years.

Now in the Broadband Internet NOI, they're trying to broaden the type 
of support that non-competiitve ETCs (that is, ILECs) get.  It is 
suggesting that the ILEC should get support for non-common-carrier 
ISP activities.

You put these all together and the word begins with "cluster".

>May as well fine Gilbert for calling Lebron James names when he left 
>Cleveland.

;-)

>-- Original Message --
>From: Fred Goldstein 
>Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>Date:  Tue, 13 Jul 2010 00:41:07 -0400
>
> >At 7/13/2010 12:31 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> >>That's a double edged sword... You don't pay into USF currently as
> >>WISP's are not classified as such.  Then if we are, we'd have a hard
> >>time at it, but we'd be eligible for those funds.
> >
> >Try again, Chuck.
> >
> >The pending FCC proposal is a bit worse, where "bit" is roughly the
> >size of the Grand Canyon.  It basically says that USF taxation, now
> >at 15%, will be extended to ISPs.  BUT it also says that eligibility
> >to collect USF will be limited to one company in a given geographic
> >area, rather than the competitive situation now allowed.  This is how
> >they will control costs, without limiting how much an ILEC can
> >get.  (It is almost literally a blank check. I have an article about
> >this on my web site and TMCnet column.)  So if you are not the ILEC,
> >you can't become Eligible. But you may still be taxed in order to pay
> >the (Eligible) ILEC to operate as an ISP, without its offering even
> >common carrier DSL (which they have to today in order to be
> >Eligible).  They in turn will be subsidized to the extent required to
> >make their prices as low as urban rates.  In other words, you are
> >taxed to pay them to compete with you.
> >
> >I am finishing up editing my Comment in the current FCC Broadband
> >Internet NOI.  My comment on USF, which I won't actually include in
> >the final submission, is that their treatment of WISPs is tantamount
> >to the Chinese policy of billing the families of executed prisoners
> >for the bullet.
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Rural Telco in Washington Gets $17,763 per line

[Stuart Pierce]

I apologize, but WT% !?!? What and where is the documentation about this change 
to USF, the plan to put WISP's out of business once and for all. Who in their 
right mind would be in or start a WISP, when it's crazy enough already ? 

May as well fine Gilbert for calling Lebron James names when he left Cleveland.

-- Original Message --
From: Fred Goldstein 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Tue, 13 Jul 2010 00:41:07 -0400

>At 7/13/2010 12:31 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>That's a double edged sword... You don't pay into USF currently as
>>WISP's are not classified as such.  Then if we are, we'd have a hard
>>time at it, but we'd be eligible for those funds.
>
>Try again, Chuck.
>
>The pending FCC proposal is a bit worse, where "bit" is roughly the 
>size of the Grand Canyon.  It basically says that USF taxation, now 
>at 15%, will be extended to ISPs.  BUT it also says that eligibility 
>to collect USF will be limited to one company in a given geographic 
>area, rather than the competitive situation now allowed.  This is how 
>they will control costs, without limiting how much an ILEC can 
>get.  (It is almost literally a blank check. I have an article about 
>this on my web site and TMCnet column.)  So if you are not the ILEC, 
>you can't become Eligible. But you may still be taxed in order to pay 
>the (Eligible) ILEC to operate as an ISP, without its offering even 
>common carrier DSL (which they have to today in order to be 
>Eligible).  They in turn will be subsidized to the extent required to 
>make their prices as low as urban rates.  In other words, you are 
>taxed to pay them to compete with you.
>
>I am finishing up editing my Comment in the current FCC Broadband 
>Internet NOI.  My comment on USF, which I won't actually include in 
>the final submission, is that their treatment of WISPs is tantamount 
>to the Chinese policy of billing the families of executed prisoners 
>for the bullet.
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Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

[Robert West]

Yeah, but once the price of the good stuff came down it doesn't make any
sense to invest much time into tricking out that junk.  I can put less than
a hundred bucks into a Routerboard or a Ubiquiti radio that will do 10x what
the hacked retail router can do.

Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT

Bob - have you ever tried the solder trick on the old linkys - amazing how
much more ram you can get on those suckers 



On Jul 12, 2010, at 11:50 PM, Robert West wrote:

> Just the stripped down v24 that's been out forever.  All of the 
> Broadcom based WRT54G versions are stable as can be, as far I've seen, 
> but the newer versions, (like the past 5 years!!!) suck.  DD-WRT is 
> cool on Broadcom but all the Atheros chips seem to throw it into crazy 
> land.  Love those older WRT54G routers with the big as hell flash.  Still
going strong.
> 
> Bob-
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:15 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
> 
> Which package were you running? There's a number of different 
> variations which have more or less features. If one doesn't need the 
> full blown packages it's better to run a minimalist version, and turn 
> off what ever services you don't need. It's a lot of setup. If you 
> need the just basic functionality try the Tomato firmware. It's basic 
> and solid. The QOS is decent (works better for me than the dd-wrt). 
> The versions that have everything including the kitchen sink scare me 
> (the chances of problems and errors rise exponentially as the code
bloats).
> 
> Greg
> 
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Robert West wrote:
> 
>> My problem with the latest  DD-WRT is that the firmware seems to 
>> overheat or lockup.  At least on the Linksys hardware.  Not as good
> anymore.
>> 
>> Bob-
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 12:14 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>> 
>> got me.  We simply use MT.  Guess sometimes its cheaper to use a 
>> consumer grade hardware and put some other software on them, but 
>> sounds like more work than it needs to be.
>> 
>> ---
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>> Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line 
>> Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:16 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] DD-WRT
>> 
>> Ok I have heard from lots of threads on this list that DD-WRT is the 
>> only way to go  on a SOHO routers.  Why?
>> 
>> What's the benefits? 
>> What's the down falls?
>> 
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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