Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

And you would then lose your equipment, your investment and your ass while they smiled and told you how your paperwork was in error. I was given the low down by the common tribal folk. They play both sides of the fence. Once you cross that reservation border, all the rules change and you have

Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth

Ya, and only allow dsl & cable users to use it :) On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 1:46 AM, Philip Dorr wrote: > Host a Linux (Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, ect) Bittorrent seed box? > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: > > Already do takes 1-2Mbps at peak times. > > > > Travis > > M

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

No flaming arrows now! On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: > Wow. Can we kill this thread now before it erupts in flames? > > Jerry Richardson > Sent Mobile > > On Aug 13, 2010, at 7:12 PM, "MDK" wrote: > > > YOu have it all wrong. > > > > Suppose you live in a land where

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on who you were) that same outcome has not happened for other races in similar situations in mankind's past history. Maybe there wasn't enough lawyers back in the ancient days? So, in the modern era, it's no longer "only the strong survive" but rather, only

Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

Dont feed the troll :) On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Jack Unger wrote: > Gosh, I just do not understand how some native American peoples could feel > so "territorial". What's up with that??? > > > Forbes Mercy wrote: > > Travis, > > I totally understand since 2003 I have tried to get on trib

Re: [WISPA] Electrical Question.......

Thanks, man. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Electrical Question... I put 3 phase into my datacenter because I have a three phase

Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth

Making Smores. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Don Grossman Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 3:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth Hey there As we get larger and large

Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

About six years or so I assisted several members of the Tuscarawas tribe on their reservation outside of Niagara Falls, New York in getting just basic dial up speeds via their tethered cell phones. (I was considered a genius for that basic work around) The council elders banned phone lines on the

Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth

Host a Linux (Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, ect) Bittorrent seed box? On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: > Already do takes 1-2Mbps at peak times. > > Travis > Microserv > > > Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > > Host a server for speedtest.net > > > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > WAVELINC >

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

Rather than kill the thread, can we drag it back on topic, kicking and screaming if we have to. It appears that we have a group of people that are trying to put together some action that will bring broadband to reservations and they have asked for WISPA's input. Whether they can be successful

Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

Oh I don't blame them per se we all have a level of protectionism for what is ours, it's human nature. They have an advantage and they use it, I know few CEO's that wouldn't. On 8/13/2010 3:18 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Gosh, I just do not understand how some native American peoples could feel so

Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth

Already do takes 1-2Mbps at peak times. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Host a server for speedtest.net Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 *From:* wirele

Re: [WISPA] OS Humor

Excellent! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > http://www.google.com/buzz/thastoner/T8pswjDZNmW/How-Fanboys-See-Operating-Systems > > hehe > > > ---

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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

Wow. Can we kill this thread now before it erupts in flames? Jerry Richardson Sent Mobile On Aug 13, 2010, at 7:12 PM, "MDK" wrote: > YOu have it all wrong. > > Suppose you live in a land where your culture is incapable of > dealing with > the rest of the world around it, but the "invaders" a

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

YOu have it all wrong. Suppose you live in a land where your culture is incapable of dealing with the rest of the world around it, but the "invaders" are bleeding hearts who "give" you land and let you try to "continue" your incompatible culture unchanged in a world where it is outdated, outmod

Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth

Host a server for speedtest.net Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re

Re: [WISPA] OT Friday. ;-)

Didn't know that... Hasn't stopped me. DJ Anderson Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 6:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT Friday. ;-) O

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

At 8/13/2010 04:15 PM, lakeland wrote: >Hm. How do you become a soverign nation? Well, you start by having a big country. Then you get invaded and settled by people with better weapons, and diseases that wipe out 90% of your population. Then wars are fought which kill more of them and take

Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

Mind you that "sovereign" part only applies to whatever they wish to apply it to. They're not at all, when it suits them. IN this, they have their cake, eat it, and expect us to give them an unlimited supply, as well. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541

Re: [WISPA] OT Friday. ;-)

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 17:20, DJ Anderson wrote: > Get a TechNet account. > > > > 300 Bucks a year and you get basically 10 licenses of all new and old > Microsoft products, you even get licenses for the new stuff that they > release. > With the (significant) caveat that they're for your own p

Re: [WISPA] OT Friday. ;-)

Get a TechNet account. 300 Bucks a year and you get basically 10 licenses of all new and old Microsoft products, you even get licenses for the new stuff that they release. http://technet.microsoft.com/ -DJ Anderson Shelby Broadband From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireles

Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

Gosh, I just do not understand how some native American peoples could feel so "territorial". What's up with that??? Forbes Mercy wrote: Travis, I totally understand since 2003 I have tried to get on tribal hills and unless I piggyback on an existing tower all I can get is "we want to do

Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

No preemption for a sovereign nation... rules don't apply to them Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 5:42 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservati

Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

One thing to keep in mind when thinking about strong arming any tribal entity, they have plenty of lawyers on staff who are more than happy to set in court and argue sovereign immunity as long as you want. You may win in the end, but at what cost? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Leon

Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

On 08/13/2010 04:55 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: The reservation in our area put an actual ordinance in effect that bans all "outdoor antennas" on any structure (including their homes, sheds, garages, barns, etc.). We still do installs there (along with 2 or 3 other providers), but technically th

Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

Travis, I totally understand since 2003 I have tried to get on tribal hills and unless I piggyback on an existing tower all I can get is "we want to do Internet ourselves, I check back in every two to three years, same thing. I should feel lucky they haven't tried to ban us. Forbes On 8/13

Re: [WISPA] UBNT Grounding

got some feelers out on the forums.. I'll let you know. RC chris cooper wrote: > We've had numerous storms here over the past couple of weeks. We have > replaced a box full of Nano and Bullets. This leads me to believe that > our install practices might be improved. How are others gro

Re: [WISPA] MS Sys7 connection Problem, need help

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 16:08, Ron Wallace wrote: > All, > > Since the last week of July we have had a number, 8-10 now, of customers > that have MicroSoft System 7 on thier PC's, and they cannot connect to the > Canopy network. After configuring the Local Area Connection properly, when > the br

Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

This seems to be a very typical scenario from most people I've talked to. I've tried working with the tribe and haven't gotten very far despite 12 meetings alone with the Tribal Utility Commission. I've taken the tact now that I work with the communities just like we've done in any other commun

[WISPA] MS Sys7 connection Problem, need help

All, Since the last week of July we have had a number, 8-10 now, of customers that have MicroSoft System 7 on thier PC's, and they cannot connect to the Canopy network. After configuring the Local Area Connection properly, when the browser is open the 'local area connection' looses access to th

Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

These are all great suggestions I will arm myself with. I don't know whether it will help but it can't hurt. Rick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISP

Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

The reservation in our area put an actual ordinance in effect that bans all "outdoor antennas" on any structure (including their homes, sheds, garages, barns, etc.). We still do installs there (along with 2 or 3 other providers), but technically they could enforce it. The reason? Because they

Re: [WISPA] Electrical Question.......

I put 3 phase into my datacenter because I have a three phase generator and I knew eventually my load would be too big for a 1-phase generator and potentially too big for a 1-phase service. I know of no reason why it would handle lightning any differently. It has a neutral/ground just like sing

Re: [WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

I tried to, but it fell through.They chose to spend a HUGE amount of money for Fiber to the curb and try to administer it themselves, rather than about 15% of the cost for me to bring in broadband and maintain it. As far as I know, it has been a disaster, but they're now so invested in it

Re: [WISPA] OT Friday. ;-)

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 15:12, wrote: > OK. Not being the computer genius that I want to be can anyone give me an > economical lead on Windows XP Pro SP3 operating system which is legal and > valid. I need programs for a handful of machines You can still buy OEM media and licenses from a number

Re: [WISPA] OT Friday. ;-)

Newegg has home OEM... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116583&cm_re=windows_xp-_-32-116-583-_-Product Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:12 PM, wrote: > OK. Not being the computer g

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

Hm. How do you become a soverign nation? Sounds like its a lot better than being a WISP or an Integrator. :-) -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Charles Wu (CTI)" Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:02:47 To: motor...@af

[WISPA] OT Friday. ;-)

OK. Not being the computer genius that I want to be can anyone give me an economical lead on Windows XP Pro SP3 operating system which is legal and valid. I need programs for a handful of machines Tnx -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ---

Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth

Ya we currently have over 200Mbps of available "outgoing" bandwidth available and we already do hosting and co-location. :( Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: Servers...game servers, voice (teamspeak/ventrilo) servers...? Maybe help the community with content distribution. Josh Lut

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

We worked with a bunch of Indian tribes in the Grand Canyon several years back - we learned that you shouldn't give them terms, cause if they don't pay, since they're a sovereign nation, you can't sue them...your only recourse is declare war -Charles From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@a

Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth

On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 12:50 -0700, Don Grossman wrote: > As we get larger and larger pipes in to feed our customers > what are people doing with the excess outbound capacity? You could set up a hosting service. Maybe a remote backup service (not ON your network, but offsite somewhere). -- ***

Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth

Servers...game servers, voice (teamspeak/ventrilo) servers...? Maybe help the community with content distribution. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Don Grossman wrote: > Hey there > >        As we g

[WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth

Hey there As we get larger and larger pipes in to feed our customers what are people doing with the excess outbound capacity? Thanks Don WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -

[WISPA] Broadband work with Indian Reservation

I will be attending a Strategy Meeting in New York later this month which is hosted by NABA (Native American Broadband Association and Intersections International). Alex Goldman will be covering these meetings as well. Between now and then, I would like to hear from WISPs across the country that m

Re: [WISPA] Notes on Int'l Wireless Summit currently underway in Vienna

Lucky you!. Vienna is on my "wanna go" list and is consistently rated as a top 3 city worldwide (vancouver and Sydney usually hold the other two spaces). I will look forward to reading your posts Ben. Should be interesting what folks are doing outside our boundaries. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks

[WISPA] Notes on Int'l Wireless Summit currently underway in Vienna

I operate a small, experimental 2.4GHz mesh in St. Louis called WasabiNet, and I was happy I could attend the WISPA conference held here last month. In the course of developing WasabiNet, I received a small grant to travel to the Int'l Summit for Community Wireless currently underway in Vienna ( w

Re: [WISPA] Electrical Question.......

Thanks Ralph for clearing up my confusion about 3 phase metering. Frank On 8/13/2010 6:46 AM, Ralph wrote: If you don't NEEED three phase, don't install it. The metering is more complex, there are 3 transformers, and the basic monthly bill is probably more expensive as they pass their costs o

Re: [WISPA] UBNT Grounding

Are you using shielded cable? Also, surge protection on the POE? On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:39 AM, chris cooper wrote: > > > We've had numerous storms here over the past couple of weeks. We have > replaced a box full of Nano and Bullets. This leads me to believe that > our install practices mig

[WISPA] UBNT Grounding

We've had numerous storms here over the past couple of weeks. We have replaced a box full of Nano and Bullets. This leads me to believe that our install practices might be improved. How are others grounding these units effectively? Thanks Chris Intelliwave

Re: [WISPA] Electrical Question.......

If you don't NEEED three phase, don't install it. The metering is more complex, there are 3 transformers, and the basic monthly bill is probably more expensive as they pass their costs of the complexity on to you. Someone wrote about the "Demand Meter" with the peak indicator, and I wanted to

[WISPA] FS: 3 5750 AP's P10 Connectorized

I bought them from either PDMNet or SurplusWireless. They have a very nice connectorization done to them, with the actual Motorola Canopy Pigtails. They were never put into service by me, and they appear to be new. $500 each or make me an offer. (This message was delayed delivery by outlo

Re: [WISPA] Powerstation2 with very low throughput

Take the cover off and look at the connectors on the board. They are hot glued on but the ones I had go bad, the glue became brittle and broke off. I found that the connector to the board was very loose. As in, too big to snap into the board. A manufacturing snafu I suspect with a nice amount o

Re: [WISPA] Electrical Question.......

Yeah, has a demand meter but other than the AC, no spikes in usage. Old location was on the high side but was consistent. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Crawford Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 1:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Powerstation2 with very low throughput

How did you resolve this. I have 3 that intermittently connect and disconnect that could explain it. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Beh

Re: [WISPA] Powerstation2 with very low throughput

It's a brand new PS purchased about 2 months ago. I'll have to try B only then to see if that will have better performance. I've been checking all the clients, and I see some of them with very high retries.  They are pushing through trees.  Could be a likely cause right? On 08/12/2010 11:3

Re: [WISPA] off topic -- sky show tonight

Yeah, we have a couple of telescopes. I know very little actually, but with computer control can find all the objects. :-) Ain't technology great? Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Origina