[WISPA] 5.4GHz and Terminal Doppler Weather Radar(TDWR)

2010-09-08 Thread Rick Harnish
Julian, Thank you for posting this. Often things like this are better received coming from a manufacturer than from a lobbying association. I would also like to thank Motorola for their technical expertise as we discussed and responded to the TDWR database RFP with Spectrum Bridge.

Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

2010-09-08 Thread Chuck Hogg
I'm running AirOS V5.2.1-RC2 (which is the latest as of yesterday) It happened with the factory firmware and the RC1 as well. The issue also occurs with my laptop running btest or any type of ping flood. I have 6 cat5 runs up one of the towers, Motorola works fine and I have switched cables,

Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

2010-09-08 Thread Justin Wilson
In our case we had a switch we put ³inline² and that made no difference. I figured it might have been an issue with the 493G board. We used to see issues with Tranzeo and 450Gs so I figured it might be similar. Putting the switch in did not help. Cable run is only about 20 feet. It is

Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

2010-09-08 Thread Steve Barnes
Justin the power supply is outputting 15.3 Vdc as far as the other MT on the tower see. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin

[WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

2010-09-08 Thread Mike Hammett
I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop. It's the style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation and the roofing material between. What do you guys do when you have to setup a tripod on such a roof? Two legs could probably be secured to the metal

Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

2010-09-08 Thread Marco Coelho
You can always add some light structure to the underside of the roof to give you the third attach point. A 2x4 between two steel members works just fine. mc On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:  I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop.  

Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

2010-09-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
If you can get to the underside put angle iron or square tubing between the support beams and put your bolts through them. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:53 AM

Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

2010-09-08 Thread Blake Bowers
http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/pd_rohn_5.cfm This is the kind of mount we specify on the rooftops we manage - for smaller antennas. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:53 AM

Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

2010-09-08 Thread Mike Hammett
I had thought about a non penetrating mount, but that wouldn't work with this particular roofing material. The ridges in the metal roof are up to 3 tall. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/8/2010 12:18 PM, Blake Bowers wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

2010-09-08 Thread Chris Hudson
Aren't there some that have a floating leg. Chris - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod I had thought about a non

Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

2010-09-08 Thread RickG
http://www.skywalker.com/images/image/SKY32809.jpg On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Aren't there some that have a floating leg. Chris - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

2010-09-08 Thread Chris Hudson
That's it. Without logging in, what kind of pricing? Chris - Original Message - From: RickG To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod http://www.skywalker.com/images/image/SKY32809.jpg On Wed,

Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

2010-09-08 Thread Jason Bailey
For commercial vsat we would build up with treated 4x4 and bolt standard non-pen to it. --- On Wed, 9/8/10, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

2010-09-08 Thread Chuck Hogg
I'm just happy that I'm not the only one with this problem. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Justin the power supply is outputting 15.3 Vdc as far as the other MT on the tower see. *Steve Barnes* General Manager PCS-WIN

[WISPA] Recommendation on Redline's PtP line?

2010-09-08 Thread Rogelio
I've got a project where I need some affordable PtP links with as little latency as possible, and a friend recommended Redline http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProducts.do?skus=344025%2C344476WT.mc_id=enewscontactID=13579320gwkey=SVRE3SHRV3

Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

2010-09-08 Thread Justin Wilson
I was not happy after climbing a tower where the cell company put their feedlines in front of the safety climb! Hehe. Would have been better if the UBNT had worked correctly. Oh well, part of being in the WISP industry. :-) -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog ­ xISP News

[WISPA] Grain leg pipe

2010-09-08 Thread Mike Hammett
While our grain leg is having some maintenance done on it, I thought I'd have them weld pipes into the platform instead of my usual U-bolt or similar attachment method. I figured it'd be more secure than attaching with hardware. What is a good universal pipe to have installed? I don't

Re: [WISPA] Recommendation on Redline's PtP line?

2010-09-08 Thread Jeremie Chism
Nothing against redline but I put a few ubnt links up against my better judgement and have been very impressed. Their price point always scared me. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com wrote: I've got a project where I need some affordable PtP links

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

2010-09-08 Thread Scott Reed
Most everything will fit on 1-1/2, but I like 2 much better. On 9/8/2010 3:19 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: While our grain leg is having some maintenance done on it, I thought I'd have them weld pipes into the platform instead of my usual U-bolt or similar attachment method. I figured it'd be

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

2010-09-08 Thread Steve Barnes
UBNT u bolts work best with 1 1/4 inch. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:20 PM To: WISPA General

[WISPA] IPv6 transition

2010-09-08 Thread Kristian Hoffmann
Hi, Has anyone begun planning or implementing their IPv6 transition? We're using mostly MikroTik for routing, so there's basic support there, but it's still lacking some important features. After researching the myriad transition mechanisms, I'm no closer to coming up with a good plan. It

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

2010-09-08 Thread Mike Hammett
1.25 Damn. I'm not sure I'd want to install something that small. Mostly I deal with the big dishes, so they can take just about any decent size, but I am looking to put up some PowerBridges as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/8/2010

[WISPA] Wireless errors

2010-09-08 Thread Jeremie Chism
I have a wireless sub that from everything I can tell has a very good link. The signal is -62. Line of sight. No fade etc etc. There is only one problem. I am seeing fec errors. I just checked and the installer put it to where there is a power line about 25-30 feet straight out in front of the

Re: [WISPA] IPv6 transition

2010-09-08 Thread Chris Gotstein
I've been working with IPv6 for the past year. We have native IPv6 from both our providers and also have our own /32. It is enabled on our core network and a few servers for testing. I have held off on making it available to end-users at this time. There is still some issues with pushing out

Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

2010-09-08 Thread RickG
$17.95 On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: That's it. Without logging in, what kind of pricing? Chris - Original Message - *From:* RickG rgunder...@gmail.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

2010-09-08 Thread Steve Barnes
I think it will work on 1.5 but you don't want to go to 2 Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:36 PM

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

2010-09-08 Thread Justin Wilson
You could go 2² with some pipe to pipe mounts. This would protect you from lightning a little better and give you flexibility. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog ­ xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw ­ Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

2010-09-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I use 1.5 water pipe. It's got an OD of 2 and is quite strong and very cheap. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 12:19 PM Subject: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe While our

Re: [WISPA] Wireless errors

2010-09-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
That's likely it. -62 is an awfully hot signal too. I try to stay between -65 and -75. Usually it's closer to -75 or -80 these days though. With the 1 meg (handshakes etc.) speed sensitivity of the radios nowadays at -94 or better that 30dB knife edge reflection off metal is much more common

Re: [WISPA] Wireless errors

2010-09-08 Thread Mike Hammett
I used to believe that signal level as well, but for long links, you really want more signal for fade. I have a 25 mile 5 gig link that's supposed to be around -55 (I haven't fine tuned the link yet) with 3' dishes. The noise floor at one end is about -80. I've gotta have hot signals for

Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

2010-09-08 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 8 September 2010 12:53, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial rooftop. It's the style with the metal framing (3' or larger spans) and just insulation and the roofing material between. What do you guys do when you have to setup a

Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

2010-09-08 Thread Scott Reed
Or bolt Unistrut to the structural members such that the tripod can be bolted to the strut. On 9/8/2010 4:43 PM, Jeremy Parr wrote: On 8 September 2010 12:53, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I am looking to install a tripod on a commercial

[WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

2010-09-08 Thread Bob Moldashel
Can anyone recommend a program or a resource that I can get high resolution maps from. I have multiple project going where I need to map out say a county or a town and have streets as well as specific information user added to the map. Then I need to output it to a plotter or Kinkos so we

[WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Matt Jenkins
I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any suggestions? For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls to support ~300mbps. In addition I need to be able to offer BGP connections

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread David E. Smith
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 16:31, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netwrote: I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any suggestions? For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls

Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

2010-09-08 Thread Cameron Crum
If you are looking for a real GIS platform, I'd highly recommend Manifold. It is very inexpensive for what it does, and can handle formats from just about every other GIS platform. If you don't want the learning curve, I'd talk with Brian Webster over at wirelessmapping.com. He can probably

Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

2010-09-08 Thread Josh Luthman
Brian did Earth and Maps from our site, inxwireless.com/coverage On Sep 8, 2010 5:37 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: If you are looking for a real GIS platform, I'd highly recommend Manifold. It is very inexpensive for what it does, and can handle formats from just about every other

Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

2010-09-08 Thread Bob Moldashel
Thanks, I thought about Brian but the issue I have is that I need to blow these out with very short notice (read hours) and add and delete info as needed. Maybe he will chime in with some input Tnx -B- Cameron Crum wrote: If you are looking for a real GIS platform, I'd highly recommend

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Mike Hammett
On the bigger equipment, the switches are much more affordable than the routers, but the routers scale up much higher. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/8/2010 4:36 PM, David E. Smith wrote: On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 16:31, Matt Jenkins

[WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default

2010-09-08 Thread Forbes Mercy
This is the third Motorola backhaul where the remote end reset it's settings to default. I've changed passwords and it did it again within an hour of leaving. Any ideas? Thanks, Forbes Mercy Washington Broadband, Inc. forbes.me...@wabroadband.com

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Matt Jenkins
I have 8+ backhauls at some sites. I want to move from a bridged network to a routed network using MPLS. This would simplify handing off business ethernet connections. It would also reduce all of the broadcast traffic going across the backhauls and reduce the VLAN management required. But I

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Glenn Kelley
Another option is a simple router - that does vlans - vlan to the switch and go from there :-) On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote: I have 8+ backhauls at some sites. I want to move from a bridged network to a routed network using MPLS. This would simplify handing off business

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Matt Jenkins
Yeah that is an option, but increases the management overhead which is one of the primary things I am trying to reduce. On 09/08/2010 03:13 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: Another option is a simple router - that does vlans - vlan to the switch and go from there :-) On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Matt

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Mike Hammett
It also adds points of failure, increases power consumption, etc. I'm sure Cisco or Juniper could handle it, but I'm not sure whom else. Maybe a PowerRouter? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/8/2010 5:17 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote: Yeah that is an

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Matt Jenkins
Cisco and Juniper are both failing to have a reasonable product. $60,000+ is a bit too expensive. On 09/08/2010 03:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It also adds points of failure, increases power consumption, etc. I'm sure Cisco or Juniper could handle it, but I'm not sure whom else. Maybe a

Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

2010-09-08 Thread Kristian Hoffmann
It's a little daunting at first, but you can download the TIGER/Line shapefiles for your area here... http://www2.census.gov/cgi-bin/shapefiles2009/national-files Select your State (on the right), and then county. Then you can pick which layers you want. Then render them however you like in

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Glenn Kelley
You could simply build a pfsense and/or a vyatta router with an alix board and a few nics - Let me do a few searches - and will let you know what I find On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote: Cisco and Juniper are both failing to have a reasonable product. $60,000+ is a bit too

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread David E. Smith
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 17:09, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netwrote: I have 8+ backhauls at some sites. I want to move from a bridged network to a routed network using MPLS. This would simplify handing off business ethernet connections. It would also reduce all of the broadcast traffic

Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

2010-09-08 Thread Randy Cosby
How many towers do you have, and how much did that cost? Randy On 9/8/2010 3:39 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Brian did Earth and Maps from our site, inxwireless.com/coverage http://inxwireless.com/coverage On Sep 8, 2010 5:37 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com mailto:cc...@wispmon.com wrote:

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 8 September 2010 17:31, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: I am trying to find a Layer 3 switch that has 24 or 48 1000 base-T ports with enough RAM to handle Full BGP Internet Routes. Anyone have any suggestions? For those who wonder why I am upgrading all of my backhauls

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Jon Auer
Needing full BGP routes takes you out of the realm of cheap Layer 3 switches... You need to worry about TCAM (hardware route memory) in addition to RAM on Layer 3 switches and apart from decked out Cisco 6500s or greater you aren't going to find that. The Juniper MX80 should work. It is 2U and

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling... There is nothing on the market place that is affordable that will do what you are looking for. Best thing you can do is deploy two devices.. a Gig Switch, pick your favorite vendor... and a Core Router for BGP For Core Router in the Cisco world

Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

2010-09-08 Thread Josh Luthman
I can't begin to remember but very reasonable. If out hadn't changed there is a make price break at 10 towers. I'm pretty sure we just hit that break point and stopped. On Sep 8, 2010 7:00 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: How many towers do you have, and how much did that cost?

Re: [WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default

2010-09-08 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
First it would help to know what model BH you have. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com On 9/8/2010 6:08 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: This is the third Motorola backhaul where the remote end reset

Re: [WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default

2010-09-08 Thread Josh Luthman
It's all the same hardware isn't it? On Sep 8, 2010 7:53 PM, Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com wrote: First it would help to know what model BH you have. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36

Re: [WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default

2010-09-08 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
PTP400/500/800 is a completely different platform than PTP100/200. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com On 9/8/2010 8:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: It's all the same hardware isn't it? On Sep 8,

Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

2010-09-08 Thread Robert West
Towers cost nothing but trade for free service if using grain legs or amateur ham towers. The only cost is the infrastructure I put in, as sectors and radios. I always figure 1000 bucks per AP. 3 sectors, backhaul, radios, cable, switch and other weird items. Me- From:

Re: [WISPA] Commercial rooftop - Tripod

2010-09-08 Thread Robert West
I learned to use a welder. Hobart Handler 140 from TSC has been the lifesaver for me with weird hardware installs.E A S Y ! ! ! Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:44 PM

Re: [WISPA] Wireless errors

2010-09-08 Thread Robert West
You got it! It has to SCREAM to be heard consistently. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless errors I used to

Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

2010-09-08 Thread Brian Webster
Bob, Give me a call. Depending on the types of data you have to display you have a few options. The printing however is always the hard part. Some programs make it way more difficult than necessary to do large format plots. Thank You, Brian Webster (607) 643-4055  -Original

Re: [WISPA] Wireless errors

2010-09-08 Thread Jeremie Chism
Cpe transmit power is controlled by the cpe so it stays between 70-73. I had a suspicion it was the power line causing the problem. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I used to believe that signal level as well, but for long links,

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

2010-09-08 Thread Robert West
Water pipe has always been too soft for me! I use 2 OSD chain link fence terminal post from the great satan, Home Depot. Welds nice and is seam welded. Stiff! In the 80's, we always said if it wasn't Stiff, it wasn't worth a .. Bob- -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

2010-09-08 Thread Robert West
Ah, but 2 OSD will allow 1.5 ISD to nest inside. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe I think it will work

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Jon Auer
A good starting point would be if Mikrotik would lay off the Linux on underpowered embedded hardware shtick for a dev cycle or two and make a board using the Broadcom BMC56330 chipset for Layer3 switching+MPLS/VPLS. If they can't port their software they could bolt on a existing OEM router OS like

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Glenn Kelley
vyatta has a $799 routing appliance that will work - pfsense - on hardware will do it for free - (what an amazing price) :-) On Sep 8, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Welcome to the Mid-range of traffic handling... There is nothing on the market place that is affordable that will

Re: [WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default

2010-09-08 Thread Josh Luthman
The subject says BH as in BH10 or BH20... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com wrote: PTP400/500/800 is a completely different platform than PTP100/200.

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

2010-09-08 Thread Chris Hudson
We're fans of the structural steel pipes for the local metal shop. It needs painting, but definitly weldable... We use the 1.5 ID It has just under 2 OD. Chris - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Non of the sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at 300-500meg of traffic... 100meg no problem. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/8/2010 8:44 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: vyatta has a $799 routing appliance that will work - pfsense - on hardware will do it for free - (what an

Re: [WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default

2010-09-08 Thread Patrick Shoemaker
Okay, if it is the PTP100/200 series, is the event log being preserved after the reset to defaults? Did you change just the user passwords or did you change the SNMP community string as well? Do you have anything plugged in to the timing port? What is the setting for the default plug action

Re: [WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default

2010-09-08 Thread Josh Luthman
Come to think of it PDMNet has mentioned they've seen many cases where the hardware thinks it has something on the reset (not sure of the details). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Patrick Shoemaker

Re: [WISPA] Recommendation on Redline's PtP line?

2010-09-08 Thread Francois Menard
Was just quoted sub $7K for a pair of AN80i @ 3.65 GHz. 70 mbps on a 20 MHz channel. Intend on trying it ASAP. I have more faith in this as a solid BH than a pair of RocketM365... then again, a pair of those with RocketDishes is sub 900$ ... F. On 2010-09-08, at 3:12 PM, Rogelio wrote: I've

Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - Mapping

2010-09-08 Thread Jon Auer
I'll second this. Manifold has been amazing for us for everything from looking for geographic patterns in customers with rf problems to crunching data for our FCC477 filing. One of these days I'll learn the viewshed function and have it suggest new tower sites... On Wednesday, September 8, 2010,

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Francois Menard
Even RB1100 ? That would be my choice. 399$ for 13 GigE ports... F. On 2010-09-08, at 8:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Non of the sub $1000 appliances will cut the mustard at 300-500meg of traffic... 100meg no problem. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/8/2010 8:44 PM, Glenn

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Rubens Kuhl
An RB1000 with an external switch will handle more traffic than RB1100. Rubens On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Francois Menard fmen...@xittel.net wrote: Even RB1100 ? That would be my choice. 399$ for 13 GigE ports... F. On 2010-09-08, at 8:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Non of the sub

Re: [WISPA] Recommendation on Redline's PtP line?

2010-09-08 Thread Josh Luthman
Redline is known to not have any software issues. I have lots of dead IDU and ODU parts, though. Maybe the an80 is different. Ubnt is cheap and is said to be buggy but I've not seen it. On Sep 8, 2010 9:54 PM, Francois Menard fmen...@xittel.net wrote: Was just quoted sub $7K for a pair of

Re: [WISPA] Recommendation on Redline's PtP line?

2010-09-08 Thread Rubens Kuhl
AN80-i-s are impressive radio units, but interference from other unlicensed radios will take some of its throughput. AN80 will survive where other radios won't, but it will cost you some performance. Try getting one with the maximum bandwidth license, 108 Mbps, even if you plan to use less. It is

Re: [WISPA] Moto BH Reset to Default

2010-09-08 Thread Forbes Mercy
Patrick this is today's event log, no there's no sync, does this help?: 00:00:00 UT : 01/01/00 : File root.c : Line 874 **System Startup** 00:00:01 UT :

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

2010-09-08 Thread Robert West
I always submit to DOM tubing Steve- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chris Hudson Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe We're fans of the

Re: [WISPA] Grain leg pipe

2010-09-08 Thread Greg Ihnen
I get it. Greg On Sep 8, 2010, at 10:07 PM, Robert West wrote: I always submit to DOM tubing Steve- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Glenn Kelley
Is this going on a stick on in a building. We have an opensource Vyatta running circles around the old Vax 7200 stuff GigE even is not an issue - but used a Dell R300 with 8GB ram to do it. Still much cheaper than most anything else on the planet for the same config On Sep 8, 2010, at 8:53

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Jon Auer
What kind of PPS are you seeing on that setup? On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Is this going on a stick on in a building. We have an opensource Vyatta running circles around the old Vax 7200 stuff GigE even is not an issue - but used a Dell R300 with 8GB

Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

2010-09-08 Thread RickG
I climbed a 400' tower where the cell companies put cables over all 3 faces. I felt like Tarzan the monkey man climbing on vines. Man, that ticked me off! On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: I was not happy after climbing a tower where the cell company put

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
So here is a nice ref. document from Cisco, pps rating on their routers... Take a look at the PPS rating and the Max Mbps, (you still have to consider Memory etc etc.). http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf I am not aware of a similar

Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

2010-09-08 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Hehe... So at what point did you figure out that they were trying to keep folks like you away from their towers ! :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/8/2010 11:10 PM, RickG wrote: I climbed a 400' tower where the cell companies put cables over all 3 faces. I felt like Tarzan the

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Travis Johnson
The RB1000 is not much of a router when under load. You can build a 1u ATOM based system for less money that has 4x the horsepower. Travis Microserv On 9/8/2010 9:20 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: So here is a nice ref. document from Cisco, pps rating on their routers... Take a look at the

Re: [WISPA] PowerBridge 5M

2010-09-08 Thread RickG
Heh, good one! Actually, they tried to get me to do it again and I immeadiatley turned them down. In fact, at that point I decided to only climb for myself. I like to climb but prefer it to be in a very safe environment. It seems that many dont care about that unless its their butt hanging in the

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread RickG
I love mine but only pushin 20Mbps peak. Then again it was only $700. How much can you build the Atom unit for? On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: The RB1000 is not much of a router when under load. You can build a 1u ATOM based system for less money that has

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Rubens Kuhl
If you have a ring, don't do layer 3. Use L2 switch that have some form of rapid recovery that isn't spanning-tree based, and have 2 strong Layer 3 routers connected to it. An usual combination is Extreme pizza boxes with EAPS ring-protection, 2 Juniper M7i routers with VRRP, but many others will

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Jon Auer
We've built Supermicro 1U Atom boxes for under $600 to use as DNS servers. That was with 2x 2.5 inch hard drives. You'd probably run RouterOS off of a USB stick instead. That would save you around $120. Not much of a point to the RB1000 when a 1U Atom box is cheaper and can run rings around it in

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread RickG
That might be my next step. Interesting though - a couple years ago, I originally had a high end PC (for it's time - Athon 64 Dual-core X2 4200+ with 4GB of memory) running RouterOS. Swapped it out for a RB450G and in my opinion, the little 450G kicked the PC's butt. So now I'm skeptical. On Wed,

[WISPA] Powerbridge M5 versus Nanobridge M5 ?

2010-09-08 Thread Francois Menard
I fear winter coming, and I have a location where a nanobridge M5 was used ? Any experience with ice build-up on a nanobridge without a radome ? I suppose this is the main reason for choosing a power bridge M5 and paying the additional 200+$ per end. Opinion ? F.

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Travis Johnson
Last one I built was less than $400. CPU on the RB1000 was over 30% compared to 10% on the ATOM unit, exact same traffic. Travis Microserv On 9/8/2010 9:31 PM, RickG wrote: I love mine but only pushin 20Mbps peak. Then again it was only $700. How much can you build the Atom unit for? On

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Travis Johnson
Any of the X86 based systems are going to kill the RB platform we have an X86 system moving 500Mbps of traffic (400Mbps x 100Mbps) on a daily basis... connection tracking on, queues, NAT rules, etc. and the CPU runs at 11% all day long. :) Travis Microserv On 9/8/2010 9:47 PM, RickG

Re: [WISPA] Powerbridge M5 versus Nanobridge M5 ?

2010-09-08 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
No to be a smart ass... But it looks like we are going to learn from your experience... I don't think NBM5's have been around long enough for a full winter cycle.. PBM5 is a nice flat square panel.. but it is much larger than the NBM5.. more of a replacement for the 30in Rocket Dish than an

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Francois Menard
I cannot find the PPS rating on RB1100... so if you know would love to compare... Here http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/routerboard_performance_tests.pdf RB1100 says 121000 PPS @ 64 KBytes with Conntrack and Firewall (80 mbps) On and 11 PPS @ 1500Bytes (1.3 gbps) But again, this is a

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Jon Auer
For the switch chip in the RB1100, I have some PPS numbers that I got from testing with a Spirent test set (same gear Cisco, etc use to determine their PPS numbers.) Keep in mind I'm still learning it so there may be some problem in my methodology. (Open SmartWindow, click test. :-) ) Half duplex

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Rubens Kuhl
Half duplex eth6 to eth7. Eth6 is master-port for eth7. Frame Size, PPS 64, 148810 This is 100M, isn't it ? 1Gbps connection could provide more, I think. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] OT: Looking for Layer 3 Switch with BGP?

2010-09-08 Thread Jon Auer
Oh duh. That's line rate at 100M. The chopped packets must have been a negotiation side effect from going between 100M and Gig interfaces. I feel much better about it now, and quite stilly to have missed that. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: Half duplex