[WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread Josh Luthman
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Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread Clay Stewart
Or the beginning of new law suits On Jul 31, 2014 10:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread Matt Hoppes
Or the beginning of new business opportunities for smaller companies. On 7/31/14, 11:07 AM, Clay Stewart wrote: Or the beginning of new law suits On Jul 31, 2014 10:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread Josh Luthman
Oh it's great for business. Terrible for free speech. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Or the beginning of new business opportunities for smaller

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread Joe Fiero
I don’t comment all that often here, but very much pay attention to the voices of experience. On Net Neutrality, I have plenty to say. As with most of my FCC comments, what I filed 2 weeks ago with them went against the grain. I am a purist who has been in telecom since I repaired my first

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread Brian Webster
I don’t see it as a beginning to an end, it’s an enhanced option for a low cost data plan. Ala Carte if you will, the consumer may just do a bulk of their data use on something like Facebook and minimally for other uses. Why pay for a whopping big data plan when you may not need it. Get a

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread Mike Hammett
That's a great marketing idea, but I bet some douche is going to ruin it... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday,

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread Mike Hammett
It has nothing to do with free speech. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:29:06 AM Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread Mike Hammett
You don't need NetFlix to pay you for a fast lane... just meet them in their dozen or so facilities and get it for free instead of paying for it. Other than that, I agree with you. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message -

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread Greg Osborn
I don’t believe that to be most everyone’s gripe. Internet and transport are cheap in comparison to backhaul and the labor required to implement. We have around 250 links, if you take Netflix out of the equation, you are not chasing your tail upgrading them all the time. From:

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread James Howard
Do you get the connection to that facility for free? This is just like every time the bandwidth cost discussion comes up. The prices that people post that they’re paying in carrier hotels never include the cost of the connection they’re using to get there, much less the cross connect and rack

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread Mike Hammett
Drop transport at more places in your network is good for resiliency and performance. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Greg Osborn gregwosb...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread Mike Hammett
Transport is generally less expensive than transit from the same provider. Not free, but certainly less expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: James Howard ja...@litewire.net To: WISPA General List

[WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

2014-07-31 Thread Matt Brendle
So a question for the masses. We are selling VoIP services and the number of Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect. Our basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik infrastructure routers, and CISCO/Linksys ATAs. Primarily Vitelity accounts. We get

Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

2014-07-31 Thread Josh Reynolds
Is the VOIP traffic encapsulated in any way, such as EoIP, PPPoE, etc? If so, AirMax will not be able to prioritize it correctly, assuming the correct DSCP value is assigned to the traffic to begin with. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 07/31/2014 11:56 AM, Matt Brendle

[WISPA] credit card processors

2014-07-31 Thread Josh Reynolds
Who are using for credit card processing, and why? What are your rates? -- Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

2014-07-31 Thread Matt Brendle
Nope. Public IP on the CPE. CPE is set to router mode and then we are doing DMZ to the ATA. Customer router sits behind ATA so local QOS is being handled by the ATA. I am doing traffic shaping in the CPE, but with VoIP customers we disable bursting. Other than that I don't do any

Re: [WISPA] credit card processors

2014-07-31 Thread Mike Hammett
IP-Pay They work with my billing system. Low enough for me to not care. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 31,

Re: [WISPA] credit card processors

2014-07-31 Thread Josh Reynolds
mmm needs to be compatible with quickbooks Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 07/31/2014 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: IP-Pay They work with my billing system. Low enough for me to not care. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] credit card processors

2014-07-31 Thread Mike Hammett
I use QuickBooks, but not for CCs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 3:12:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] credit card

Re: [WISPA] credit card processors

2014-07-31 Thread Jon Hebb
True Merchant www.truemerchant.com These guys are very straight forward (something you don't find with a lot of merchant processing companies) have great rates. On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Who are using for credit card processing, and why? What

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over cat3 options

2014-07-31 Thread Matt Jenkins
http://www.netsys-direct.com/Ethernet_Extenders_s/1814.htm Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 07/29/2014 03:59 PM, Brett Woollum wrote: We've used the StarTech ones with a lot of success. They've worked well for us in cases where running a new Ethernet line would

Re: [WISPA] credit card processors

2014-07-31 Thread Zach Mann
Accept Bitcoin and save :) On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I use QuickBooks, but not for CCs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL

Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

2014-07-31 Thread Nick Olsen
You'll want to make sure you're tagging the Voip traffic with a DSCP tag. So the UBNT gear will give it a dedicated timeslot. This should improve the call quality if your issue is related to the RF side. If your issue is your connection to Vitelity, Or something else in the path, It won't

Re: [WISPA] credit card processors

2014-07-31 Thread TJ Trout
I own another company where we do merchant services, if you want to email me a copy of your current processing statement I can have one of my guys see if we can save you any money On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com wrote: Accept Bitcoin and save :) On Thu, Jul 31,

Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

2014-07-31 Thread lar
On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:56:33 -0400 Matt Brendle mattagator.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: So a question for the masses. We are selling VoIP services and the number of Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect. Our basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik

Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

2014-07-31 Thread Matt Brendle
Larry, Thanks for the feedback. I have a mix of ATAs deployed, but I am going to make sure they all have the right DSCP flags set for Airmax to prioritize. I will also take your advice on sniffing and include in my testing. That way I can make sure the flag isn't getting stripped off somewhere

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over cat3 options

2014-07-31 Thread Matthew Jenkins
http://www.netsys-direct.com/Ethernet_Extenders_s/1814.htm Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 07/29/2014 03:59 PM, Brett Woollum wrote: We've used the StarTech ones with a lot of success. They've worked well for us in cases where running a new Ethernet line would

Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

2014-07-31 Thread Chris Ruschmann
I don't have anything to offer, but we are planning a limited rollout of VOIP and would be interested in feedback as well. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Brendle Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 1:11 PM To: 'WISPA

Re: [WISPA] credit card processors

2014-07-31 Thread Chris Ruschmann
We use Propay for our WISP stuff. I believe it's around 2.5 Starting up Authorize.net with processing through chase for some of our Unifi stuff. No rates yet, still negotiating. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh

Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

2014-07-31 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Matt Brendle mattagator.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: So a question for the masses. We are selling VoIP services and the number of Support Calls we get about poor performance is more than I would expect. Our basic setup is UBNT backhauls and APs, Mikrotik

[WISPA] FCC Broadband experiments phase 2 funding question

2014-07-31 Thread Gino Villarini
So I have been reading on this topic lately On the financial side the FCC is going to fund for 10 years on monthly installments what? All the locations on a high cost census track that you deployed or the ones that actually subscribe? Sent from my Motorola Startac...

Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband experiments phase 2 funding question

2014-07-31 Thread Josh Reynolds
Deployed to. The whole thing sounds like a freaking play to the cable cos (imagine that). From my understanding, if you were a very large provider and wanted to maintain market-share and not let a competitor build out in your area with federal funding, you could submit a bid for the

Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband experiments phase 2 funding question

2014-07-31 Thread Gino Villarini
Why would you bid $1 , if you wanted to lock the area. You would have build out already? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jul 31, 2014, at 7:26 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Deployed to. The whole thing sounds like a freaking play to the cable cos (imagine that).

Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband experiments phase 2 funding question

2014-07-31 Thread Josh Reynolds
It depends. I know of large ISPs with heafty cash reserves set aside for various projects, and it wouldn't be outside of their realm of morality to pull a stunt like that. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 07/31/2014 03:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Why would you bid $1 , if

Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband experiments phase 2 funding question

2014-07-31 Thread Chris Ruschmann
I can think of one company off the top of my head that would pull a stunt like that here in Alaska. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 3:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] credit card processors

2014-07-31 Thread Steve Barnes
Josh are you billing your Wisp customer with QuickBooks? I would stop that practice. Get a billing system and keep QuickBooks for AP and GL. Steve Barnes PCSWIN.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent:

Re: [WISPA] FCC Broadband experiments phase 2 funding question

2014-07-31 Thread Josh Reynolds
:) Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 07/31/2014 03:54 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote: I can think of one company off the top of my head that would pull a stunt like that here in Alaska. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] credit card processors

2014-07-31 Thread Josh Reynolds
Yes, we've been doing it for about... 10 years now. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 07/31/2014 03:56 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Josh are you billing your Wisp customer with QuickBooks? I would stop that practice. Get a billing system and keep QuickBooks for AP and GL. Steve

Re: [WISPA] credit card processors

2014-07-31 Thread Mike Hammett
I second Steve's comment. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:05:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] credit card processors Yes,

Re: [WISPA] credit card processors

2014-07-31 Thread Josh Reynolds
May I ask why? Most of our subs are on autopay, so we set it and forget about it. We also do all of our company stuff in quickbooks, and have inhouse billing/accounting people. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 07/31/2014 04:08 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I second Steve's

Re: [WISPA] credit card processors

2014-07-31 Thread Mike Hammett
When they don't pay they get shut off. They can review their payment histories. They can change their billing information (and do one-time payments) without affecting your employees. You could probably drop the in-house billing/accounting people. Hotspot type services can integrate right into

Re: [WISPA] credit card processors

2014-07-31 Thread Josh Reynolds
The in house billing / accounting people - we have several, most are multi-role. One is our office manager, and deals primarily with billing issues, new account sales, equipment purchasing, etc. He is also our main office-based POC for tech support. Then we have a bookkeeper, she deals with

Re: [WISPA] VoIP - Who is using successfully?

2014-07-31 Thread Matt Brendle
Correct. I am not planning on assuming anything. We have assumed the network from our NOC to the SIP servers was good in the past. That is going to be step 1 in my process. I will verify good quality from there and work my way back to the CPE. -Matt From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread Clay Stewart
Joe, I may or may not totally agree with you... but damn I hope you post a little more often. Thanks for the insight from your experience. I agree the market place is where this issue will be resolved, not us, not the government. If the top 2 streaming companies end up with 90% of the business in

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread Tim Densmore
On 07/31/2014 11:15 AM, Joe Fiero wrote: Netflix, Hulu, and the like have created a business model where they have no cost to deliver a product to their users.  They are using the infrastructure built and paid for by others, then stirring up the

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread Mike Hammett
I don't, no. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tim Densmore tdensm...@tarpit.cybermesa.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:31:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread Mike Lyon
Not this WISP... -Mike On Thursday, July 31, 2014, Tim Densmore tdensm...@tarpit.cybermesa.com wrote: On 07/31/2014 11:15 AM, Joe Fiero wrote: Netflix, Hulu, and the like have created a business model where they have no cost to deliver a product to their users. They are using the

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread Mike Lyon
And that was an extremely painful thread on NANOG, BTW On Thursday, July 31, 2014, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: Not this WISP... -Mike On Thursday, July 31, 2014, Tim Densmore tdensm...@tarpit.cybermesa.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tdensm...@tarpit.cybermesa.com'); wrote:

Re: [WISPA] credit card processors

2014-07-31 Thread Adair Winter
We are half your size and two of us do everything you state, thanks to powercode. We use quick books for payroll and odd invoicing/accounting stuff. On Jul 31, 2014 7:36 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: The in house billing / accounting people - we have several, most are

Re: [WISPA] Net neutrality, The beginning of the end

2014-07-31 Thread Tim Densmore
Absolutely - I didn't mean to rekindle it here.  I'm just surprised when I see that kind of viewpoint, and I'm I'm trying to understand it a little better, hopefully with a lot less saber rattling than in that thread.  I currently agree with most of the posters in the

Re: [WISPA] credit card processors

2014-07-31 Thread Josh Reynolds
Two people answering 4 phone lines? :) We may end up having to hire another office person just to deal with commercial sales as things stand. I get pretty tied up with ERate/USDA/etc stuff, Aaron is busy with financing, long term market strategies in new areas, etc. This is with 5 people out

Re: [WISPA] credit card processors

2014-07-31 Thread TJ Trout
You have 5 field techs and 4 office people with 1500 subs? Profit must be slim On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Two people answering 4 phone lines? :) We may end up having to hire another office person just to deal with commercial sales as things

Re: [WISPA] credit card processors

2014-07-31 Thread TJ Trout
How can you employ 9 people and pay 65k a month for bandwidth and turn a profit? On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout t...@pcguys.us wrote: You have 5 field techs and 4 office people with 1500 subs? Profit must be slim On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Josh Reynolds

Re: [WISPA] credit card processors

2014-07-31 Thread Blair Davis
We have been using it for almost 13 now... -- On 7/31/2014 8:05 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Yes, we've been doing it for about... 10 years now. Josh Reynolds, CIO SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 07/31/2014 03:56 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Josh are you billing your Wisp customer with