Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.
Butch, Nope, I am using the senao NMP-8602+ card on all these AP's. From what I can tell this problem shows its face when you have a mixed CPE's consisting of PRISM/Atheros chipsets. Can I solve this problem by removeing all the PRISM clients At this point I am willing to invest in replacing our old CB3/CPE-200 stuff anyways as it only makes up 10% of my network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >Has anyone else seen this problem I am seeing. On my Mikrotik sites >with Atheros AP's the interface will decide to completely dump all >of the atheros clients and then they reconnect again within 2 >seconds. You can tell this happens because the uptimes are so >short. But the prism clients they never get dumped and their >uptimes are accurate since they were last power cycled. Take a look >at this screen shot you can see the problem clearly. This is >happening on ALL of my towers that have Mikrotik AP's. Let me guess...you are using the XR2 or XR5? This is a known issue that is especially bad with Tranzeo client radios and XR2 at the AP. As someone else mentioned, there is a lot of finger pointing going on relating to this issue. From what I can tell, this issue does not have a negative impact on Mikrotik CPE (or most other CPEs for that matter). -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
Another twist on this subject. My test neighborhood on this will be our entry into the metered broadband market. We are going to give everyone the same speed most likely 3 times faster than anything Comcast is doing. Plans will be tiered on transfer levels where they get a set transfer amount per level with each higher package level giving more allotted transfer and a decrease in overage costs per gig. The TV portion of it will not count on the bandwidth metering nor the phone services. The big question here is we need to actually meter the actual internet usage. What programs out allow this? We thought the MT user manager would work but it's not going to do what we need it to do. I did some searching and came up with very little useful information. Any ideas ? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 "Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!" *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:40 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > il.net> wrote: > > They have to be an i series receiver. There is a plain SD version > and an HD > > DVR version. > > Ok so the standard internet capable receiver series. > > > > > AFAIK, wireless is not an option. I don't know the bandwidth per > channel (I > > asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100 > megabits. It > > is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the same > > upstream... stream. > > Ive got evil ideas about how to do it. Now ive got some more prodding > about getting to it. Seams like it needs a full gigE feed so that does > wrinkle things, but that would be for the full 500 or so channels > maybe? > > > > > The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular > project and > > massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval. > > Mmmm, I wonder if someone just wanted 2 or 3 channels what they would > do. > > > The deal with the ROW is > > that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be considered > a > > franchise. > > That seams reasonable enough, in the old ways of thinking. My > understanding is that anything over the net can not be called a > franchise. I can see how the line becomes blurred when you own the > last mile and the services running on it. Still, I see about a dozen > places I could use this if I can make a business case for it. > > > > > http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf > > > > > > -- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > -- > > From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? > > > >> I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a > >> mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end > receivers > >> involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume > this > >> would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel? > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > il.net> > >> wrote: > >>> DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send > the > >>> signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the > DirecTV > >>> receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to > cross a > >>> public right of way with the DirecTV content. > >>> > >>> If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass > you on > >>> to > >>> the reps at the companies I've been working with. > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Mike Hammett > >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >>> http://www.ics-il.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM > >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? > >>> > Ok folks, > > Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest > started > because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they > are > debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this > one > is > to > build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed > to > the > tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run > fiber > to > the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a > great > time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we > will > be > offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service > over >
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Internet + VoIP + ...efax?
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, John McDowell wrote: >We've got Internet, we've got VoIP...now all we need is a faxing >solution that works to convert businesses. > >Is anyone using a white label efax solution? Does anyone have a box >that will let you do efax? Port local fax numbers? John, Have you spoken to your current VoIP provider regarding Fax over IP? I don't know if they do that, but it seems to me I heard they do. If so, perhaps they have a solution available that does eFax, too. I'm just guessing wildly on that part, as I don't know for sure if they do either one, but remembering a conversation I had with one of their tech guys, it seems to me he said that fax works over their current service (I haven't tested this at all). -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >Has anyone else seen this problem I am seeing. On my Mikrotik sites >with Atheros AP's the interface will decide to completely dump all >of the atheros clients and then they reconnect again within 2 >seconds. You can tell this happens because the uptimes are so >short. But the prism clients they never get dumped and their >uptimes are accurate since they were last power cycled. Take a look >at this screen shot you can see the problem clearly. This is >happening on ALL of my towers that have Mikrotik AP's. Let me guess...you are using the XR2 or XR5? This is a known issue that is especially bad with Tranzeo client radios and XR2 at the AP. As someone else mentioned, there is a lot of finger pointing going on relating to this issue. From what I can tell, this issue does not have a negative impact on Mikrotik CPE (or most other CPEs for that matter). -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Firewall rule set for standart NAt
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Gino Villarini wrote: >Anyone has a standard Firewall set of rules for a regular RB450 >doing nat for customers? I have one that I use (it's not free), and you can get the one off the Mikrotik demo router that IS free. What, specifically, are you looking for? I'm not sure how the "nat" would come into play. Your firewall is either a forward (for nat customers OR static public customers) or input (to protect the router). I have both sets of requirements that I use for various situations. Your needs may vary, which is why there is a cost involved (customization) to purchase my firewall solution. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
Hmm, Interesting. Any idea on costs? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 "Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!" *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:35 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? > > They have to be an i series receiver. There is a plain SD version and > an HD > DVR version. > > AFAIK, wireless is not an option. I don't know the bandwidth per > channel (I > asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100 megabits. > It > is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the same > upstream... stream. > > The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular > project and > massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval. The deal with the ROW > is > that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be considered a > franchise. > > http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf > > > -- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? > > > I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a > > mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end > receivers > > involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume this > > would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel? > > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > il.net> > > wrote: > >> DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send > the > >> signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV > >> receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to > cross a > >> public right of way with the DirecTV content. > >> > >> If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass > you on > >> to > >> the reps at the companies I've been working with. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM > >> To: "'WISPA General List'" > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? > >> > >>> Ok folks, > >>> > >>> Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest > >>> started > >>> because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they > are > >>> debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this > one > >>> is > >>> to > >>> build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed > to > >>> the > >>> tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run > fiber > >>> to > >>> the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a > great > >>> time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we > will > >>> be > >>> offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service > over > >>> the > >>> FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do > fiber > >>> here > >>> is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, > so > >>> chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of > trees. So > >>> again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or > satellite > >>> service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go > with us > >>> if > >>> we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of > a way > >>> to > >>> distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the > dish > >>> on > >>> the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to > the > >>> homes over the fiber? > >>> > >>> Michiana Wireless, Inc. > >>> John Buwa, President > >>> > >>> http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com > >>> 574-233-7170 > >>> > >>> "Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!" > >>> > >>> *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* > >>> > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber > > We can buy the ONT for $375. > The COE per sub works out to about another $200. > So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 > cents > per > foot. > Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. > In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. > And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum.
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They have to be an i series receiver. There is a plain SD version and an HD > DVR version. Ok so the standard internet capable receiver series. > > AFAIK, wireless is not an option. I don't know the bandwidth per channel (I > asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100 megabits. It > is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the same > upstream... stream. Ive got evil ideas about how to do it. Now ive got some more prodding about getting to it. Seams like it needs a full gigE feed so that does wrinkle things, but that would be for the full 500 or so channels maybe? > > The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular project and > massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval. Mmmm, I wonder if someone just wanted 2 or 3 channels what they would do. > The deal with the ROW is > that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be considered a > franchise. That seams reasonable enough, in the old ways of thinking. My understanding is that anything over the net can not be called a franchise. I can see how the line becomes blurred when you own the last mile and the services running on it. Still, I see about a dozen places I could use this if I can make a business case for it. > > http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf > > > -- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? > >> I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a >> mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end receivers >> involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume this >> would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel? >> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the >>> signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV >>> receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a >>> public right of way with the DirecTV content. >>> >>> If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on >>> to >>> the reps at the companies I've been working with. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? >>> Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 "Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!" *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber > > We can buy the ONT for $375. > The COE per sub works out to about another $200. > So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents > per > foot. > Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. > In a subdivision, I c
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
On Aug 26, 2008, at 6:56 PM, Ron Harden wrote: > Yes, we source numbers from Level 3 and others. DID coverage is key > to any > successful digital voice program. There are some small mom-and-pop > LECs > that will not give up numbers because they a) don't want any > competition, > and b) don't have to. And, c) because outside of the cell carriers and at&t, none of the other wholesale players have bothered to interconnect. Most likely because the wholesaler's cost structure is such that they can't get a return on their investment in a reasonable time frame from a small market. Generally speaking, if a carrier is willing to interconnect then it will be possible to port numbers. There are many obvious problems with going the interconnect route, but it is getting easier as consolidation occurs. Winstream comes to mind as an example. > 3.The PRI route that John mentions has to be carefully > considered. We > have gone down this path for a few of our cable customers where they > needed > DIDs at a head end location and the numbers justified their > investment. > I'll share with you the facts (to the best of our knowledge) so you > can make > your own decision on this one. AT&T has numbers in about 93-95% of > the > country. You could buy a PRI from AT&T and likely pay $700-800 per > month. > We would order the PRI for you because we would need to be the > administrative contact to order the DIDs. We would bill you the > pass-through cost of the PRI. You can put about 200 customers on > that PRI, > oversubscribing by a factor of 10, knowing that only a portion of > those > customers will be on the phone at the same time. Thus you have to > be able > to recover that additional cost of about $4 per sub, once you reach > the 200 > level of customers (more until you get there). Then you need > another PRI of > course. But the inbound call from AT&T will be TDM, which has to be > converted to IP, so you will need to install a router at your > location. We > would recommend a specific CISCO router, which you would have to pay > for and > install, for about $10-12K. You would own the box, but send it to > us to > configure it for you. You would be responsible for the install, and > of > course the power back up, A/C, and Internet feed. You will likely > be under > water until you reach 100 customers on the PRI, still having to > amortize the > cost of the router. There are several problems with the above option. First, the carrier may simply stop you from doing it. It could happen before the order even goes through or at some later date. Most PRI terms and conditions include a no-resell clause. The carrier is not required to offer a PRI for resell. Second, if an operator could get a resell PRI then Asterisk will probably cover all their needs for 100-200 subs. Understand that there is an enormous difference between running Asterisk as a switch with a TDM upstream vs running Asterisk as a switch with a SIP upstream. Finally, the business relationship outlined above amounts to huge liabilities for the WISP for little advantage. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
It's the biggest WISP event I've ever been to, last January in Salt Lake City. Would definitely recommend going. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Ron Harden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No doubt I should have picked this up before Chuck, but what is the "animal > farm" event? > > Yes if I can contibute and work it out with my schedule, what ever it is. > > Ron > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:12 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > > Ron, > Do you want to present at AnimalFarm this winter? > I think this topic would be very interesting for all. > > - Original Message - > From: "Ron Harden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > > > > Yes, we source numbers from Level 3 and others. DID coverage is key to > > any > > successful digital voice program. There are some small mom-and-pop LECs > > that will not give up numbers because they a) don't want any competition, > > and b) don't have to. If we cannot get numbers in a particular rate > > center > > (RC), then we cannot port the number. But as a general rule, if we can > > get > > numbers, then the vast majority of the time, we can port that number. > > This > > is why we always ask our customers for targeted locations, based on rate > > center, or NPA/NXX, to determine if we can get numbers. In most cases, > we > > can. Our current DID providers cover greater than 70% of the US. We > also > > offer DID (and port) in Canada and Puerto Rico. Where we cannot get > > numbers, here are the options: > > > > > > > > 1.We search for a provider that has numbers, and we are always > looking > > for more. But they have to be able to connect with us electronically, or > > we > > move on. Our process is fully automated from the time someone submits an > > order, it's untouched by human hands until the fedex label prints and we > > ship the ATA (if the service provider chooses to have us drop ship to > > their > > customers). Most WISPs chose to purchase ATAs in bulk to have the units > > on > > a truck and close to their market for immediate install. In that case > > they > > just activate the unit on line. Sometimes numbers are available, but > > without an automated process, we cannot make it work. > > > > > > > > 2.When DIDs are available to a particular RC, the provider has the > > option of providing a number from the nearest location. Many times we > can > > get numbers from an alternative RC that still represents a local call for > > friends and neighbors. But if that fails, providing an alternative > number > > from another rate center is more difficult to sell. Friends and family > on > > the same service would of course call each other for free, but that's a > > more > > difficult marketing challenge. > > > > > > > > 3.The PRI route that John mentions has to be carefully considered. > We > > have gone down this path for a few of our cable customers where they > > needed > > DIDs at a head end location and the numbers justified their investment. > > I'll share with you the facts (to the best of our knowledge) so you can > > make > > your own decision on this one. AT&T has numbers in about 93-95% of the > > country. You could buy a PRI from AT&T and likely pay $700-800 per > month. > > We would order the PRI for you because we would need to be the > > administrative contact to order the DIDs. We would bill you the > > pass-through cost of the PRI. You can put about 200 customers on that > > PRI, > > oversubscribing by a factor of 10, knowing that only a portion of those > > customers will be on the phone at the same time. Thus you have to be > able > > to recover that additional cost of about $4 per sub, once you reach the > > 200 > > level of customers (more until you get there). Then you need another PRI > > of > > course. But the inbound call from AT&T will be TDM, which has to be > > converted to IP, so you will need to install a router at your location. > > We > > would recommend a specific CISCO router, which you would have to pay for > > and > > install, for about $10-12K. You would own the box, but send it to us to > > configure it for you. You would be responsible for the install, and of > > course the power back up, A/C, and Internet feed. You will likely be > > under > > water until you reach 100 customers on the PRI, still having to amortize > > the > > cost of the router. > > > > > > > > You are all subject-matter-experts and your expertise is better than mine > > on > > the technical nuances of what is required, and costs vary by market. If > > you > > wish to pursue option 3, we will work with you to make it painless > (except > > for the cost side of the equation). So the PRI route is only undertaken > > in > > unique circum
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Animal_Farm www.wirelessbeehive.com/animalfarm - Original Message - From: "Ron Harden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > No doubt I should have picked this up before Chuck, but what is the > "animal > farm" event? > > Yes if I can contibute and work it out with my schedule, what ever it is. > > Ron > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:12 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > > Ron, > Do you want to present at AnimalFarm this winter? > I think this topic would be very interesting for all. > > - Original Message - > From: "Ron Harden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > > >> Yes, we source numbers from Level 3 and others. DID coverage is key to >> any >> successful digital voice program. There are some small mom-and-pop LECs >> that will not give up numbers because they a) don't want any competition, >> and b) don't have to. If we cannot get numbers in a particular rate >> center >> (RC), then we cannot port the number. But as a general rule, if we can >> get >> numbers, then the vast majority of the time, we can port that number. >> This >> is why we always ask our customers for targeted locations, based on rate >> center, or NPA/NXX, to determine if we can get numbers. In most cases, >> we >> can. Our current DID providers cover greater than 70% of the US. We >> also >> offer DID (and port) in Canada and Puerto Rico. Where we cannot get >> numbers, here are the options: >> >> >> >> 1.We search for a provider that has numbers, and we are always >> looking >> for more. But they have to be able to connect with us electronically, or >> we >> move on. Our process is fully automated from the time someone submits an >> order, it's untouched by human hands until the fedex label prints and we >> ship the ATA (if the service provider chooses to have us drop ship to >> their >> customers). Most WISPs chose to purchase ATAs in bulk to have the units >> on >> a truck and close to their market for immediate install. In that case >> they >> just activate the unit on line. Sometimes numbers are available, but >> without an automated process, we cannot make it work. >> >> >> >> 2.When DIDs are available to a particular RC, the provider has the >> option of providing a number from the nearest location. Many times we >> can >> get numbers from an alternative RC that still represents a local call for >> friends and neighbors. But if that fails, providing an alternative >> number >> from another rate center is more difficult to sell. Friends and family >> on >> the same service would of course call each other for free, but that's a >> more >> difficult marketing challenge. >> >> >> >> 3.The PRI route that John mentions has to be carefully considered. >> We >> have gone down this path for a few of our cable customers where they >> needed >> DIDs at a head end location and the numbers justified their investment. >> I'll share with you the facts (to the best of our knowledge) so you can >> make >> your own decision on this one. AT&T has numbers in about 93-95% of the >> country. You could buy a PRI from AT&T and likely pay $700-800 per >> month. >> We would order the PRI for you because we would need to be the >> administrative contact to order the DIDs. We would bill you the >> pass-through cost of the PRI. You can put about 200 customers on that >> PRI, >> oversubscribing by a factor of 10, knowing that only a portion of those >> customers will be on the phone at the same time. Thus you have to be >> able >> to recover that additional cost of about $4 per sub, once you reach the >> 200 >> level of customers (more until you get there). Then you need another PRI >> of >> course. But the inbound call from AT&T will be TDM, which has to be >> converted to IP, so you will need to install a router at your location. >> We >> would recommend a specific CISCO router, which you would have to pay for >> and >> install, for about $10-12K. You would own the box, but send it to us to >> configure it for you. You would be responsible for the install, and of >> course the power back up, A/C, and Internet feed. You will likely be >> under >> water until you reach 100 customers on the PRI, still having to amortize >> the >> cost of the router. >> >> >> >> You are all subject-matter-experts and your expertise is better than mine >> on >> the technical nuances of what is required, and costs vary by market. If >> you >> wish to pursue option 3, we will work with you to make it painless >> (except >> for the cost side of the equation). So the PRI route is only undertake
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
Hey Ron, Thanks for you input, greatly appreciated. I just hate watching potential go down the drain. We're small and rural and that unfortunately lends itself to less opportunities. Thanks for all your help. John On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Ron Harden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry...I meant to say that I will let you know... > > It must be time to pull the plug for the day! > > Ron > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Ron Harden > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:45 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > > John: Let me know what our porting guru says tomorrow. She's good, but > does not work as many hours as I do! > > Ron > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of John McDowell > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:13 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > > This was an email from a Rep at the Coop when one of my employees tried to > port their home number to their new Vox/Boonlink ATA: > > Mr. Williamson, > > First, a Trading Partner Profile (TPP) is an agreement between two > communications companies that allows the sharing of necessary information > (Name, Company Codes, Addresses, and other required technical information) > and sometimes serves as an unofficial agreement between the companies. You > don't have to do anything for FTC and Voxcorp to exchange a TPP. However, > Voxcorp must submit a bona fide request (BFR) to FTC requesting the ability > to port numbers (which they've not done), and then the two companies would > exchange the TPPs or exchange other industry standard agreements to allow > port processing. > > Voxcorp has never requested the ability to port numbers with FTC. All they > have to do is request, through normal FCC procedures, the ability to port, > and then FTC will move forward with the porting process. They cannot, > however, just send a request to port the number to them and expect us to > process that request. They know that, as a communications company, they > must follow FCC mandated processes before we can move forward. It is > illegal for either company to do so otherwise. If their representative > will > contact me, send a BFR, and then we will move forward with the process. > Otherwise, there is nothing FTC can do. > > Please be assured that the statement that your "VoIP company .could not get > Farmers to port my number" is not an accurate or true statement. Your VoIP > company hasn't used any of the industry standard procedures, to my > knowledge, to attempt to port your number. FTC has no reason to stop this > process. > > If you do successfully port your local number to your VoIP provider, then > your local landline service will be disconnected. We will have to > disconnect your DSL as well. If this happens, consider that you will have > to have another high speed internet provider for your VoIP service to work. > Also, there are safety considerations as to the effectiveness of emergency > service calls (911, etc...) when using a VoIP service. Please be informed > of all the details surrounding these issues. Your VoIP provider should be > able to provide you with all of the related information. You may already > be > aware of all of this, but there are several items to consider before > disconnecting your local service. > > I hope this information helps you. Let me know if I can be of more > assistance. Feel free to contact us at anytime. > > Sincerely, > > Chris Townson > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I don't think that exemption applied to LNP. It did for a while to keep > > CLECs out of the rural areas but that has now sunset. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Anthony Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > > > > > > > If you take a look at the exemption they have to have less then 50,000 > > > phone numbers or lines. I can't remember which. > > > Do a bit of research on it and find the exact clause that enables them > > > to do that. Most likely they are to large to qualify. Then send them > a > > > nice letter from a nice attorney. Also be ready for the long haul. > > > They will fight it just to keep you and others from coming in if they > > > are in the right or not. It would be a good idea to find some others > in > > > your area with a interest in this such as the local cable company or > > > others that would want the same thing. Pool your resource and make it > > > look like you and your partners are as big as they come. > > > > > > Anthony Will > > > Broadband Corp. > > > http://www.broadband-mn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > John McDowell wrote: > > >> Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work arou
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
No doubt I should have picked this up before Chuck, but what is the "animal farm" event? Yes if I can contibute and work it out with my schedule, what ever it is. Ron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers Ron, Do you want to present at AnimalFarm this winter? I think this topic would be very interesting for all. - Original Message - From: "Ron Harden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > Yes, we source numbers from Level 3 and others. DID coverage is key to > any > successful digital voice program. There are some small mom-and-pop LECs > that will not give up numbers because they a) don't want any competition, > and b) don't have to. If we cannot get numbers in a particular rate > center > (RC), then we cannot port the number. But as a general rule, if we can > get > numbers, then the vast majority of the time, we can port that number. > This > is why we always ask our customers for targeted locations, based on rate > center, or NPA/NXX, to determine if we can get numbers. In most cases, we > can. Our current DID providers cover greater than 70% of the US. We also > offer DID (and port) in Canada and Puerto Rico. Where we cannot get > numbers, here are the options: > > > > 1.We search for a provider that has numbers, and we are always looking > for more. But they have to be able to connect with us electronically, or > we > move on. Our process is fully automated from the time someone submits an > order, it's untouched by human hands until the fedex label prints and we > ship the ATA (if the service provider chooses to have us drop ship to > their > customers). Most WISPs chose to purchase ATAs in bulk to have the units > on > a truck and close to their market for immediate install. In that case > they > just activate the unit on line. Sometimes numbers are available, but > without an automated process, we cannot make it work. > > > > 2.When DIDs are available to a particular RC, the provider has the > option of providing a number from the nearest location. Many times we can > get numbers from an alternative RC that still represents a local call for > friends and neighbors. But if that fails, providing an alternative number > from another rate center is more difficult to sell. Friends and family on > the same service would of course call each other for free, but that's a > more > difficult marketing challenge. > > > > 3.The PRI route that John mentions has to be carefully considered. We > have gone down this path for a few of our cable customers where they > needed > DIDs at a head end location and the numbers justified their investment. > I'll share with you the facts (to the best of our knowledge) so you can > make > your own decision on this one. AT&T has numbers in about 93-95% of the > country. You could buy a PRI from AT&T and likely pay $700-800 per month. > We would order the PRI for you because we would need to be the > administrative contact to order the DIDs. We would bill you the > pass-through cost of the PRI. You can put about 200 customers on that > PRI, > oversubscribing by a factor of 10, knowing that only a portion of those > customers will be on the phone at the same time. Thus you have to be able > to recover that additional cost of about $4 per sub, once you reach the > 200 > level of customers (more until you get there). Then you need another PRI > of > course. But the inbound call from AT&T will be TDM, which has to be > converted to IP, so you will need to install a router at your location. > We > would recommend a specific CISCO router, which you would have to pay for > and > install, for about $10-12K. You would own the box, but send it to us to > configure it for you. You would be responsible for the install, and of > course the power back up, A/C, and Internet feed. You will likely be > under > water until you reach 100 customers on the PRI, still having to amortize > the > cost of the router. > > > > You are all subject-matter-experts and your expertise is better than mine > on > the technical nuances of what is required, and costs vary by market. If > you > wish to pursue option 3, we will work with you to make it painless (except > for the cost side of the equation). So the PRI route is only undertaken > in > unique circumstances where you are comfortable that the market potential > justifies the investment. > > > > In the past we have owned 3 CLECs and consider ourselves good at porting > numbers. As I said, we can port the vast majority, but only where we can > get numbers assigned. And not every LEC has to sell you their numbers. > > > > Sorry for the long treatise on the issue, but it's complicated as you ca
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
Sorry...I meant to say that I will let you know... It must be time to pull the plug for the day! Ron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Harden Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:45 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers John: Let me know what our porting guru says tomorrow. She's good, but does not work as many hours as I do! Ron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers This was an email from a Rep at the Coop when one of my employees tried to port their home number to their new Vox/Boonlink ATA: Mr. Williamson, First, a Trading Partner Profile (TPP) is an agreement between two communications companies that allows the sharing of necessary information (Name, Company Codes, Addresses, and other required technical information) and sometimes serves as an unofficial agreement between the companies. You don't have to do anything for FTC and Voxcorp to exchange a TPP. However, Voxcorp must submit a bona fide request (BFR) to FTC requesting the ability to port numbers (which they've not done), and then the two companies would exchange the TPPs or exchange other industry standard agreements to allow port processing. Voxcorp has never requested the ability to port numbers with FTC. All they have to do is request, through normal FCC procedures, the ability to port, and then FTC will move forward with the porting process. They cannot, however, just send a request to port the number to them and expect us to process that request. They know that, as a communications company, they must follow FCC mandated processes before we can move forward. It is illegal for either company to do so otherwise. If their representative will contact me, send a BFR, and then we will move forward with the process. Otherwise, there is nothing FTC can do. Please be assured that the statement that your "VoIP company .could not get Farmers to port my number" is not an accurate or true statement. Your VoIP company hasn't used any of the industry standard procedures, to my knowledge, to attempt to port your number. FTC has no reason to stop this process. If you do successfully port your local number to your VoIP provider, then your local landline service will be disconnected. We will have to disconnect your DSL as well. If this happens, consider that you will have to have another high speed internet provider for your VoIP service to work. Also, there are safety considerations as to the effectiveness of emergency service calls (911, etc...) when using a VoIP service. Please be informed of all the details surrounding these issues. Your VoIP provider should be able to provide you with all of the related information. You may already be aware of all of this, but there are several items to consider before disconnecting your local service. I hope this information helps you. Let me know if I can be of more assistance. Feel free to contact us at anytime. Sincerely, Chris Townson On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think that exemption applied to LNP. It did for a while to keep > CLECs out of the rural areas but that has now sunset. > > - Original Message - > From: "Anthony Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > > > > If you take a look at the exemption they have to have less then 50,000 > > phone numbers or lines. I can't remember which. > > Do a bit of research on it and find the exact clause that enables them > > to do that. Most likely they are to large to qualify. Then send them a > > nice letter from a nice attorney. Also be ready for the long haul. > > They will fight it just to keep you and others from coming in if they > > are in the right or not. It would be a good idea to find some others in > > your area with a interest in this such as the local cable company or > > others that would want the same thing. Pool your resource and make it > > look like you and your partners are as big as they come. > > > > Anthony Will > > Broadband Corp. > > http://www.broadband-mn.com > > > > > > > > John McDowell wrote: > >> Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work around? > >> > >> Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with VoxCorp, > so > >> they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something like > >> this.. > >> > >> Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their > cellular, > >> and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with > PRIs??? > >> > >> Somebody have a solution? > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
John: Let me know what our porting guru says tomorrow. She's good, but does not work as many hours as I do! Ron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers This was an email from a Rep at the Coop when one of my employees tried to port their home number to their new Vox/Boonlink ATA: Mr. Williamson, First, a Trading Partner Profile (TPP) is an agreement between two communications companies that allows the sharing of necessary information (Name, Company Codes, Addresses, and other required technical information) and sometimes serves as an unofficial agreement between the companies. You don't have to do anything for FTC and Voxcorp to exchange a TPP. However, Voxcorp must submit a bona fide request (BFR) to FTC requesting the ability to port numbers (which they've not done), and then the two companies would exchange the TPPs or exchange other industry standard agreements to allow port processing. Voxcorp has never requested the ability to port numbers with FTC. All they have to do is request, through normal FCC procedures, the ability to port, and then FTC will move forward with the porting process. They cannot, however, just send a request to port the number to them and expect us to process that request. They know that, as a communications company, they must follow FCC mandated processes before we can move forward. It is illegal for either company to do so otherwise. If their representative will contact me, send a BFR, and then we will move forward with the process. Otherwise, there is nothing FTC can do. Please be assured that the statement that your "VoIP company .could not get Farmers to port my number" is not an accurate or true statement. Your VoIP company hasn't used any of the industry standard procedures, to my knowledge, to attempt to port your number. FTC has no reason to stop this process. If you do successfully port your local number to your VoIP provider, then your local landline service will be disconnected. We will have to disconnect your DSL as well. If this happens, consider that you will have to have another high speed internet provider for your VoIP service to work. Also, there are safety considerations as to the effectiveness of emergency service calls (911, etc...) when using a VoIP service. Please be informed of all the details surrounding these issues. Your VoIP provider should be able to provide you with all of the related information. You may already be aware of all of this, but there are several items to consider before disconnecting your local service. I hope this information helps you. Let me know if I can be of more assistance. Feel free to contact us at anytime. Sincerely, Chris Townson On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think that exemption applied to LNP. It did for a while to keep > CLECs out of the rural areas but that has now sunset. > > - Original Message - > From: "Anthony Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > > > > If you take a look at the exemption they have to have less then 50,000 > > phone numbers or lines. I can't remember which. > > Do a bit of research on it and find the exact clause that enables them > > to do that. Most likely they are to large to qualify. Then send them a > > nice letter from a nice attorney. Also be ready for the long haul. > > They will fight it just to keep you and others from coming in if they > > are in the right or not. It would be a good idea to find some others in > > your area with a interest in this such as the local cable company or > > others that would want the same thing. Pool your resource and make it > > look like you and your partners are as big as they come. > > > > Anthony Will > > Broadband Corp. > > http://www.broadband-mn.com > > > > > > > > John McDowell wrote: > >> Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work around? > >> > >> Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with VoxCorp, > so > >> they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something like > >> this.. > >> > >> Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their > cellular, > >> and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with > PRIs??? > >> > >> Somebody have a solution? > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
They have to be an i series receiver. There is a plain SD version and an HD DVR version. AFAIK, wireless is not an option. I don't know the bandwidth per channel (I asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100 megabits. It is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the same upstream... stream. The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular project and massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval. The deal with the ROW is that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be considered a franchise. http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? > I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a > mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end receivers > involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume this > would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel? > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the >> signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV >> receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a >> public right of way with the DirecTV content. >> >> If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on >> to >> the reps at the companies I've been working with. >> >> >> -- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? >> >>> Ok folks, >>> >>> Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest >>> started >>> because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are >>> debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one >>> is >>> to >>> build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to >>> the >>> tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber >>> to >>> the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great >>> time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will >>> be >>> offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over >>> the >>> FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber >>> here >>> is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so >>> chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So >>> again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite >>> service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us >>> if >>> we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way >>> to >>> distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish >>> on >>> the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the >>> homes over the fiber? >>> >>> Michiana Wireless, Inc. >>> John Buwa, President >>> >>> http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com >>> 574-233-7170 >>> >>> "Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!" >>> >>> *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* >>> -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber We can buy the ONT for $375. The COE per sub works out to about another $200. So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents per foot. Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are in the black the second year. Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping much. - Original Message - From: "Charles Wyble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber > Jerry Richardson wrote: >> I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the >> streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or County. >> They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with the >> other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. >> >> Even with directional boring you still have to dig
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
Hmm, sounds like they have been through this before. I don't think a TPP is the same thing as an interconnect agreement. That is a new term to me (but may be in widespread use, I am probably ignorant of that level of detail).But it sounds like it may be better and simpler than an interconnect agreement. - Original Message - From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers Is a Trading Partner Profile an Interconnect agreement? The guy from the COOP went on to say this: Mr. Williamson: There are two important parts to my response. I’ll first explain what you should do to request your number being ported. Secondly, I’ll comment on the requirements of the VOIP company. This is general information that applies to porting a landline number. I have not reviewed your personal account. Part 1 · Keep your current number active and in good status. If your current number is disconnected or not paid, you cannot port it until it is restored. · Contact the company that you intend to port to. That company will send a port request to FTC. If all the information they submit to FTC is correct then the port will be completed at the prescribed time on the order. Part 2 · At this time, no VOIP provider in the north Alabama area has provided FTC with a Trading Partner Profile (TPP). The TPP is a document that allows the sharing of necessary information and serves as an unofficial agreement between the companies. The TPP is required before a port can take place. If the company you want to port to sends FTC a TPP, we will process it and then complete the port when submitted. Until an agreement has been reached between the two companies, no port can take place. · Finally, non-geographic porting of numbers is still not allowed at this time by the FCC. If the other company provides service in the Rainsville Rate Center, then the number can be ported legally. If the company provides service in Gadsden, for instance, but not in Rainsville, then the number should not be ported. The VoIP provider should be able to tell you if they actually offer service in Rainsville that is in compliance with Federal Communications Commission and Alabama Public Service Commission rules. I hope this answers your questions. I’ll be glad to try and expand more on this process if you’d like. It can be pretty complicated even for those of us that deal with it on a consistent basis. The only caution I have is to be sure you have all of the available information about the product/service you may be purchasing. We’ve had several customers that have ported numbers to other companies and came back relatively quickly b/c they didn’t get what they thought they were getting. Let me know if you’d like for us to take a look at your account and see if we can also accommodate your specific need as a customer. We appreciate your business. You can call the office and ask for me directly at 256/638-2144, or you may speak to any of our CSRs at the same number. Sincerely, Chris Townson On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ron, > Do you want to present at AnimalFarm this winter? > I think this topic would be very interesting for all. > > - Original Message - > From: "Ron Harden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > > > > Yes, we source numbers from Level 3 and others. DID coverage is key to > > any > > successful digital voice program. There are some small mom-and-pop LECs > > that will not give up numbers because they a) don't want any > > competition, > > and b) don't have to. If we cannot get numbers in a particular rate > > center > > (RC), then we cannot port the number. But as a general rule, if we can > > get > > numbers, then the vast majority of the time, we can port that number. > > This > > is why we always ask our customers for targeted locations, based on rate > > center, or NPA/NXX, to determine if we can get numbers. In most cases, > we > > can. Our current DID providers cover greater than 70% of the US. We > also > > offer DID (and port) in Canada and Puerto Rico. Where we cannot get > > numbers, here are the options: > > > > > > > > 1.We search for a provider that has numbers, and we are always > looking > > for more. But they have to be able to connect with us electronically, > > or > > we > > move on. Our process is fully automated from the time someone submits > > an > > order, it's untouched by human hands until the fedex label prints and we > > ship the ATA (if the service provider chooses to have us drop ship to > > their > > customers). Most WISPs chose to purchase ATAs in bulk to have the units > > on > > a truck and clos
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
Is a Trading Partner Profile an Interconnect agreement? The guy from the COOP went on to say this: Mr. Williamson: There are two important parts to my response. I’ll first explain what you should do to request your number being ported. Secondly, I’ll comment on the requirements of the VOIP company. This is general information that applies to porting a landline number. I have not reviewed your personal account. Part 1 · Keep your current number active and in good status. If your current number is disconnected or not paid, you cannot port it until it is restored. · Contact the company that you intend to port to. That company will send a port request to FTC. If all the information they submit to FTC is correct then the port will be completed at the prescribed time on the order. Part 2 · At this time, no VOIP provider in the north Alabama area has provided FTC with a Trading Partner Profile (TPP). The TPP is a document that allows the sharing of necessary information and serves as an unofficial agreement between the companies. The TPP is required before a port can take place. If the company you want to port to sends FTC a TPP, we will process it and then complete the port when submitted. Until an agreement has been reached between the two companies, no port can take place. · Finally, non-geographic porting of numbers is still not allowed at this time by the FCC. If the other company provides service in the Rainsville Rate Center, then the number can be ported legally. If the company provides service in Gadsden, for instance, but not in Rainsville, then the number should not be ported. The VoIP provider should be able to tell you if they actually offer service in Rainsville that is in compliance with Federal Communications Commission and Alabama Public Service Commission rules. I hope this answers your questions. I’ll be glad to try and expand more on this process if you’d like. It can be pretty complicated even for those of us that deal with it on a consistent basis. The only caution I have is to be sure you have all of the available information about the product/service you may be purchasing. We’ve had several customers that have ported numbers to other companies and came back relatively quickly b/c they didn’t get what they thought they were getting. Let me know if you’d like for us to take a look at your account and see if we can also accommodate your specific need as a customer. We appreciate your business. You can call the office and ask for me directly at 256/638-2144, or you may speak to any of our CSRs at the same number. Sincerely, Chris Townson On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ron, > Do you want to present at AnimalFarm this winter? > I think this topic would be very interesting for all. > > - Original Message - > From: "Ron Harden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > > > > Yes, we source numbers from Level 3 and others. DID coverage is key to > > any > > successful digital voice program. There are some small mom-and-pop LECs > > that will not give up numbers because they a) don't want any competition, > > and b) don't have to. If we cannot get numbers in a particular rate > > center > > (RC), then we cannot port the number. But as a general rule, if we can > > get > > numbers, then the vast majority of the time, we can port that number. > > This > > is why we always ask our customers for targeted locations, based on rate > > center, or NPA/NXX, to determine if we can get numbers. In most cases, > we > > can. Our current DID providers cover greater than 70% of the US. We > also > > offer DID (and port) in Canada and Puerto Rico. Where we cannot get > > numbers, here are the options: > > > > > > > > 1.We search for a provider that has numbers, and we are always > looking > > for more. But they have to be able to connect with us electronically, or > > we > > move on. Our process is fully automated from the time someone submits an > > order, it's untouched by human hands until the fedex label prints and we > > ship the ATA (if the service provider chooses to have us drop ship to > > their > > customers). Most WISPs chose to purchase ATAs in bulk to have the units > > on > > a truck and close to their market for immediate install. In that case > > they > > just activate the unit on line. Sometimes numbers are available, but > > without an automated process, we cannot make it work. > > > > > > > > 2.When DIDs are available to a particular RC, the provider has the > > option of providing a number from the nearest location. Many times we > can > > get numbers from an alternative RC that still represents a local call for > > friends and neighbors. But if that fails, providing an alternative > num
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
This was an email from a Rep at the Coop when one of my employees tried to port their home number to their new Vox/Boonlink ATA: Mr. Williamson, First, a Trading Partner Profile (TPP) is an agreement between two communications companies that allows the sharing of necessary information (Name, Company Codes, Addresses, and other required technical information) and sometimes serves as an unofficial agreement between the companies. You don't have to do anything for FTC and Voxcorp to exchange a TPP. However, Voxcorp must submit a bona fide request (BFR) to FTC requesting the ability to port numbers (which they've not done), and then the two companies would exchange the TPPs or exchange other industry standard agreements to allow port processing. Voxcorp has never requested the ability to port numbers with FTC. All they have to do is request, through normal FCC procedures, the ability to port, and then FTC will move forward with the porting process. They cannot, however, just send a request to port the number to them and expect us to process that request. They know that, as a communications company, they must follow FCC mandated processes before we can move forward. It is illegal for either company to do so otherwise. If their representative will contact me, send a BFR, and then we will move forward with the process. Otherwise, there is nothing FTC can do. Please be assured that the statement that your "VoIP company …could not get Farmers to port my number" is not an accurate or true statement. Your VoIP company hasn't used any of the industry standard procedures, to my knowledge, to attempt to port your number. FTC has no reason to stop this process. If you do successfully port your local number to your VoIP provider, then your local landline service will be disconnected. We will have to disconnect your DSL as well. If this happens, consider that you will have to have another high speed internet provider for your VoIP service to work. Also, there are safety considerations as to the effectiveness of emergency service calls (911, etc...) when using a VoIP service. Please be informed of all the details surrounding these issues. Your VoIP provider should be able to provide you with all of the related information. You may already be aware of all of this, but there are several items to consider before disconnecting your local service. I hope this information helps you. Let me know if I can be of more assistance. Feel free to contact us at anytime. Sincerely, Chris Townson On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think that exemption applied to LNP. It did for a while to keep > CLECs out of the rural areas but that has now sunset. > > - Original Message - > From: "Anthony Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:17 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > > > > If you take a look at the exemption they have to have less then 50,000 > > phone numbers or lines. I can't remember which. > > Do a bit of research on it and find the exact clause that enables them > > to do that. Most likely they are to large to qualify. Then send them a > > nice letter from a nice attorney. Also be ready for the long haul. > > They will fight it just to keep you and others from coming in if they > > are in the right or not. It would be a good idea to find some others in > > your area with a interest in this such as the local cable company or > > others that would want the same thing. Pool your resource and make it > > look like you and your partners are as big as they come. > > > > Anthony Will > > Broadband Corp. > > http://www.broadband-mn.com > > > > > > > > John McDowell wrote: > >> Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work around? > >> > >> Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with VoxCorp, > so > >> they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something like > >> this.. > >> > >> Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their > cellular, > >> and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with > PRIs??? > >> > >> Somebody have a solution? > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
Ron, Do you want to present at AnimalFarm this winter? I think this topic would be very interesting for all. - Original Message - From: "Ron Harden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > Yes, we source numbers from Level 3 and others. DID coverage is key to > any > successful digital voice program. There are some small mom-and-pop LECs > that will not give up numbers because they a) don't want any competition, > and b) don't have to. If we cannot get numbers in a particular rate > center > (RC), then we cannot port the number. But as a general rule, if we can > get > numbers, then the vast majority of the time, we can port that number. > This > is why we always ask our customers for targeted locations, based on rate > center, or NPA/NXX, to determine if we can get numbers. In most cases, we > can. Our current DID providers cover greater than 70% of the US. We also > offer DID (and port) in Canada and Puerto Rico. Where we cannot get > numbers, here are the options: > > > > 1.We search for a provider that has numbers, and we are always looking > for more. But they have to be able to connect with us electronically, or > we > move on. Our process is fully automated from the time someone submits an > order, it's untouched by human hands until the fedex label prints and we > ship the ATA (if the service provider chooses to have us drop ship to > their > customers). Most WISPs chose to purchase ATAs in bulk to have the units > on > a truck and close to their market for immediate install. In that case > they > just activate the unit on line. Sometimes numbers are available, but > without an automated process, we cannot make it work. > > > > 2.When DIDs are available to a particular RC, the provider has the > option of providing a number from the nearest location. Many times we can > get numbers from an alternative RC that still represents a local call for > friends and neighbors. But if that fails, providing an alternative number > from another rate center is more difficult to sell. Friends and family on > the same service would of course call each other for free, but that's a > more > difficult marketing challenge. > > > > 3.The PRI route that John mentions has to be carefully considered. We > have gone down this path for a few of our cable customers where they > needed > DIDs at a head end location and the numbers justified their investment. > I'll share with you the facts (to the best of our knowledge) so you can > make > your own decision on this one. AT&T has numbers in about 93-95% of the > country. You could buy a PRI from AT&T and likely pay $700-800 per month. > We would order the PRI for you because we would need to be the > administrative contact to order the DIDs. We would bill you the > pass-through cost of the PRI. You can put about 200 customers on that > PRI, > oversubscribing by a factor of 10, knowing that only a portion of those > customers will be on the phone at the same time. Thus you have to be able > to recover that additional cost of about $4 per sub, once you reach the > 200 > level of customers (more until you get there). Then you need another PRI > of > course. But the inbound call from AT&T will be TDM, which has to be > converted to IP, so you will need to install a router at your location. > We > would recommend a specific CISCO router, which you would have to pay for > and > install, for about $10-12K. You would own the box, but send it to us to > configure it for you. You would be responsible for the install, and of > course the power back up, A/C, and Internet feed. You will likely be > under > water until you reach 100 customers on the PRI, still having to amortize > the > cost of the router. > > > > You are all subject-matter-experts and your expertise is better than mine > on > the technical nuances of what is required, and costs vary by market. If > you > wish to pursue option 3, we will work with you to make it painless (except > for the cost side of the equation). So the PRI route is only undertaken > in > unique circumstances where you are comfortable that the market potential > justifies the investment. > > > > In the past we have owned 3 CLECs and consider ourselves good at porting > numbers. As I said, we can port the vast majority, but only where we can > get numbers assigned. And not every LEC has to sell you their numbers. > > > > Sorry for the long treatise on the issue, but it's complicated as you can > see. I'm not trying to sell you in this case; rather I'm just describing > our experience, our process, and your exposure. For those of you that are > Vox customers, be sure to work with us to determine where numbers are > available before you invest in that market, assuming that digital voice is > an important component for ARPU and payback criteria. I will share with > you > that on
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
I don't think that exemption applied to LNP. It did for a while to keep CLECs out of the rural areas but that has now sunset. - Original Message - From: "Anthony Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > If you take a look at the exemption they have to have less then 50,000 > phone numbers or lines. I can't remember which. > Do a bit of research on it and find the exact clause that enables them > to do that. Most likely they are to large to qualify. Then send them a > nice letter from a nice attorney. Also be ready for the long haul. > They will fight it just to keep you and others from coming in if they > are in the right or not. It would be a good idea to find some others in > your area with a interest in this such as the local cable company or > others that would want the same thing. Pool your resource and make it > look like you and your partners are as big as they come. > > Anthony Will > Broadband Corp. > http://www.broadband-mn.com > > > > John McDowell wrote: >> Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work around? >> >> Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with VoxCorp, so >> they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something like >> this.. >> >> Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their cellular, >> and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with PRIs??? >> >> Somebody have a solution? >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end receivers involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume this would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the > signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV > receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a > public right of way with the DirecTV content. > > If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on to > the reps at the companies I've been working with. > > > -- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? > >> Ok folks, >> >> Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started >> because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are >> debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is >> to >> build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the >> tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to >> the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great >> time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be >> offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the >> FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber >> here >> is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so >> chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So >> again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite >> service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if >> we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way >> to >> distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish >> on >> the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the >> homes over the fiber? >> >> Michiana Wireless, Inc. >> John Buwa, President >> >> http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com >> 574-233-7170 >> >> "Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!" >> >> *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber >>> >>> We can buy the ONT for $375. >>> The COE per sub works out to about another $200. >>> So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents >>> per >>> foot. >>> Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. >>> In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. >>> And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are >>> in >>> the black the second year. >>> Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping >>> much. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Charles Wyble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber >>> >>> >>> > Jerry Richardson wrote: >>> >> I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the >>> >> streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or >>> County. >>> >> They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with >>> the >>> >> other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. >>> >> >>> >> Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something >>> somewhere >>> >> so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. >>> >> >>> >> I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time >>> it's >>> >> all said and done (possibly more). >>> >> >>> > >>> > You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper >>> is >>> > $1500.00. I actually just recently was talking with some telcom >>> > executives about this. Oh and that is spread across lots of >>> subscribers >>> > over several years. You need millions or billions upfront. >>> >> That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way >>> ahead >>> >> (in 6 months they will be 5k). >>> >> >>> > >>> > Yep. And wireless doesn't require nearly as much effort in terms of >>> > rights of way etc. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 >>> > http://charlesnw.blogspot.com >>> > CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > - >>> --- >>> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> > http://signup.w
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
Yes, we source numbers from Level 3 and others. DID coverage is key to any successful digital voice program. There are some small mom-and-pop LECs that will not give up numbers because they a) don't want any competition, and b) don't have to. If we cannot get numbers in a particular rate center (RC), then we cannot port the number. But as a general rule, if we can get numbers, then the vast majority of the time, we can port that number. This is why we always ask our customers for targeted locations, based on rate center, or NPA/NXX, to determine if we can get numbers. In most cases, we can. Our current DID providers cover greater than 70% of the US. We also offer DID (and port) in Canada and Puerto Rico. Where we cannot get numbers, here are the options: 1.We search for a provider that has numbers, and we are always looking for more. But they have to be able to connect with us electronically, or we move on. Our process is fully automated from the time someone submits an order, it's untouched by human hands until the fedex label prints and we ship the ATA (if the service provider chooses to have us drop ship to their customers). Most WISPs chose to purchase ATAs in bulk to have the units on a truck and close to their market for immediate install. In that case they just activate the unit on line. Sometimes numbers are available, but without an automated process, we cannot make it work. 2.When DIDs are available to a particular RC, the provider has the option of providing a number from the nearest location. Many times we can get numbers from an alternative RC that still represents a local call for friends and neighbors. But if that fails, providing an alternative number from another rate center is more difficult to sell. Friends and family on the same service would of course call each other for free, but that's a more difficult marketing challenge. 3.The PRI route that John mentions has to be carefully considered. We have gone down this path for a few of our cable customers where they needed DIDs at a head end location and the numbers justified their investment. I'll share with you the facts (to the best of our knowledge) so you can make your own decision on this one. AT&T has numbers in about 93-95% of the country. You could buy a PRI from AT&T and likely pay $700-800 per month. We would order the PRI for you because we would need to be the administrative contact to order the DIDs. We would bill you the pass-through cost of the PRI. You can put about 200 customers on that PRI, oversubscribing by a factor of 10, knowing that only a portion of those customers will be on the phone at the same time. Thus you have to be able to recover that additional cost of about $4 per sub, once you reach the 200 level of customers (more until you get there). Then you need another PRI of course. But the inbound call from AT&T will be TDM, which has to be converted to IP, so you will need to install a router at your location. We would recommend a specific CISCO router, which you would have to pay for and install, for about $10-12K. You would own the box, but send it to us to configure it for you. You would be responsible for the install, and of course the power back up, A/C, and Internet feed. You will likely be under water until you reach 100 customers on the PRI, still having to amortize the cost of the router. You are all subject-matter-experts and your expertise is better than mine on the technical nuances of what is required, and costs vary by market. If you wish to pursue option 3, we will work with you to make it painless (except for the cost side of the equation). So the PRI route is only undertaken in unique circumstances where you are comfortable that the market potential justifies the investment. In the past we have owned 3 CLECs and consider ourselves good at porting numbers. As I said, we can port the vast majority, but only where we can get numbers assigned. And not every LEC has to sell you their numbers. Sorry for the long treatise on the issue, but it's complicated as you can see. I'm not trying to sell you in this case; rather I'm just describing our experience, our process, and your exposure. For those of you that are Vox customers, be sure to work with us to determine where numbers are available before you invest in that market, assuming that digital voice is an important component for ARPU and payback criteria. I will share with you that one of our fastest growing customers is a WISP, and they are experiencing a 92% take rate on voice with their new broadband customers. I hope that helps. I trust you will tell me where you disagree with me. :-) Ron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers Yes, but you probably require a int
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/numbport.html Note: Certain small wireline companies may have an exemption from the porting requirements if they have received a waiver from their state public service commission. Customers who want to port a wireline number to a wireless phone, and are told that they cannot, should contact their state public service commission to find out whether their wireline company has been granted a waiver. A directory of state public service commissions can be found at www.naruc.org/commissions.cfm. I was not able to find my PUC list of exemptions but my telephone company was on it. I should look again as they recently changed names. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Chuck McCown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am a rural telecom, one of the most rural in the nation. And I wasn't > exempt at all. > > - Original Message - > From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:45 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > > >> If it is a Rural Telcom, then they are exempt from having to allow >> porting. VZ might just have a deal with them for local cell numbers. >> If you had a PRI then you can get numbers but still, they do not have >> to hand you the number from a leaving customer. At least this is where >> all my research has led me for my local ILEC that I would kill to port >> from. >> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:26 PM, John McDowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work around? >>> >>> Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with VoxCorp, so >>> they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something like >>> this.. >>> >>> Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their cellular, >>> and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with PRIs??? >>> >>> Somebody have a solution? >>> >>> -- >>> John M. McDowell >>> Boonlink Communications >>> 307 Grand Ave NW >>> Fort Payne, AL 35967 >>> 256.844.9932 >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> www.boonlink.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This message contains information which may be confidential and >>> privileged. >>> Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the >>> addressee), >>> you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or >>> any >>> information contained in the message. If you have received the message in >>> error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and >>> delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to >>> spoofing, >>> spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your >>> computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or >>> the >>> source, please contact the sender directly. >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
That's fine. There's a rack of DirecTV equipment, where the satellite dishes hook up to (I'd spent the extra $2k and spring for better dishes) and then it travels Ethernet (physical topology does not matter) to the receiver. There is a short list of approved switches that must be used however, something to do with the way they do IGMP. DirecTV does bill you and you can do whatever you want from there. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:28 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? > We are only running fiber from the tower feed to the terminals then the > homes. So we need a solution that works over fiber and I want to bill for > TV > services my self so I need to purchase a solution that bills me and I will > them type situation. This way it will be trued triple play from one > provider, us. > > > Thanks, > John > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:51 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? >> >> DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the >> signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV >> receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a >> public right of way with the DirecTV content. >> >> If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on >> to >> the reps at the companies I've been working with. >> >> >> -- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? >> >> > Ok folks, >> > >> > Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest >> started >> > because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are >> > debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one >> is >> > to >> > build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to >> the >> > tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber >> to >> > the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a >> > great >> > time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will >> be >> > offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over >> the >> > FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber >> > here >> > is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so >> > chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So >> > again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite >> > service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us >> if >> > we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a >> > way >> > to >> > distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the >> > dish >> > on >> > the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the >> > homes over the fiber? >> > >> > Michiana Wireless, Inc. >> > John Buwa, President >> > >> > http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com >> > 574-233-7170 >> > >> > "Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!" >> > >> > *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* >> > >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> On >> >> Behalf Of Chuck McCown >> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM >> >> To: WISPA General List >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber >> >> >> >> We can buy the ONT for $375. >> >> The COE per sub works out to about another $200. >> >> So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents >> >> per >> >> foot. >> >> Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. >> >> In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. >> >> And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are >> >> in >> >> the black the second year. >> >> Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping >> >> much. >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Charles Wyble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
They have less than 15,000 land lines... less than 5000 dsl lines. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Anthony Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > If you take a look at the exemption they have to have less then 50,000 > phone numbers or lines. I can't remember which. > Do a bit of research on it and find the exact clause that enables them > to do that. Most likely they are to large to qualify. Then send them a > nice letter from a nice attorney. Also be ready for the long haul. > They will fight it just to keep you and others from coming in if they > are in the right or not. It would be a good idea to find some others in > your area with a interest in this such as the local cable company or > others that would want the same thing. Pool your resource and make it > look like you and your partners are as big as they come. > > Anthony Will > Broadband Corp. > http://www.broadband-mn.com > > > > John McDowell wrote: > > Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work around? > > > > Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with VoxCorp, so > > they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something like > > this.. > > > > Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their cellular, > > and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with PRIs??? > > > > Somebody have a solution? > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
Small companies are exempt. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers I thought it was a Federal Regulation that phone numbers could be ported? That's why the cell companies had to start doing it a year or two ago? Travis Microserv Jeromie Reeves wrote: If it is a Rural Telcom, then they are exempt from having to allow porting. VZ might just have a deal with them for local cell numbers. If you had a PRI then you can get numbers but still, they do not have to hand you the number from a leaving customer. At least this is where all my research has led me for my local ILEC that I would kill to port from. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:26 PM, John McDowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work around? Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with VoxCorp, so they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something like this.. Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their cellular, and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with PRIs??? Somebody have a solution? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
If you take a look at the exemption they have to have less then 50,000 phone numbers or lines. I can't remember which. Do a bit of research on it and find the exact clause that enables them to do that. Most likely they are to large to qualify. Then send them a nice letter from a nice attorney. Also be ready for the long haul. They will fight it just to keep you and others from coming in if they are in the right or not. It would be a good idea to find some others in your area with a interest in this such as the local cable company or others that would want the same thing. Pool your resource and make it look like you and your partners are as big as they come. Anthony Will Broadband Corp. http://www.broadband-mn.com John McDowell wrote: > Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work around? > > Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with VoxCorp, so > they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something like > this.. > > Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their cellular, > and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with PRIs??? > > Somebody have a solution? > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
But if you are selling voip, you want the local ILEC customer to be able to keep their number. In that case the ILEC has involvement. - Original Message - From: "cw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > You can do something like this > http://www.astrotel.us/AstroTel-SmartMailFaxService.htm or T.38 works. All > phone numbers are portable. Your CLEC or ILEC has no choice in the > matter. - cw > > John McDowell wrote: >> Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work around? >> >> Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with VoxCorp, so >> they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something like >> this.. >> >> Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their cellular, >> and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with PRIs??? >> >> Somebody have a solution? >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
You can do something like this http://www.astrotel.us/AstroTel-SmartMailFaxService.htm or T.38 works. All phone numbers are portable. Your CLEC or ILEC has no choice in the matter. - cw John McDowell wrote: > Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work around? > > Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with VoxCorp, so > they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something like > this.. > > Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their cellular, > and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with PRIs??? > > Somebody have a solution? > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
I have seen systems that take the satellite feed, run it into cascaded multiswitches and the converts the output of the multiswitch to fiber for distribution. There is also an device that injects data and phone as well. I think the company is called OnePath. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? We are only running fiber from the tower feed to the terminals then the homes. So we need a solution that works over fiber and I want to bill for TV services my self so I need to purchase a solution that bills me and I will them type situation. This way it will be trued triple play from one provider, us. Thanks, John > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:51 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? > > DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the > signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV > receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to > cross a public right of way with the DirecTV content. > > If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you > on to the reps at the companies I've been working with. > > > -- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? > > > Ok folks, > > > > Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest > started > > because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are > > debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this > > one > is > > to > > build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed > > to > the > > tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run > > fiber > to > > the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a > > great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth > > we will > be > > offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service > > over > the > > FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do > > fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it > > like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home > > because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they > > have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. > > They would rather go with us > if > > we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a > > way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously > > put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but > > how to get it to the homes over the fiber? > > > > Michiana Wireless, Inc. > > John Buwa, President > > > > http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com > > 574-233-7170 > > > > "Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!" > > > > *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber > >> > >> We can buy the ONT for $375. > >> The COE per sub works out to about another $200. > >> So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 > >> cents per foot. > >> Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. > >> In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. > >> And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We > >> are in the black the second year. > >> Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the > >> landscaping much. > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Charles Wyble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber > >> > >> > >> > Jerry Richardson wrote: > >> >> I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under > >> >> the streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City > >> >> or > >> County. > >> >> They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination > >> >> with > >> the > >> >> other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. > >> >> > >> >> Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something > >> somewhere > >> >> so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. > >> >> > >> >> I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
We are only running fiber from the tower feed to the terminals then the homes. So we need a solution that works over fiber and I want to bill for TV services my self so I need to purchase a solution that bills me and I will them type situation. This way it will be trued triple play from one provider, us. Thanks, John > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:51 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? > > DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the > signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV > receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a > public right of way with the DirecTV content. > > If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on > to > the reps at the companies I've been working with. > > > -- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? > > > Ok folks, > > > > Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest > started > > because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are > > debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one > is > > to > > build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to > the > > tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber > to > > the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great > > time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will > be > > offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over > the > > FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber > > here > > is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so > > chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So > > again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite > > service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us > if > > we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way > > to > > distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish > > on > > the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the > > homes over the fiber? > > > > Michiana Wireless, Inc. > > John Buwa, President > > > > http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com > > 574-233-7170 > > > > "Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!" > > > > *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >> Behalf Of Chuck McCown > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber > >> > >> We can buy the ONT for $375. > >> The COE per sub works out to about another $200. > >> So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents > >> per > >> foot. > >> Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. > >> In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. > >> And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are > >> in > >> the black the second year. > >> Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping > >> much. > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Charles Wyble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber > >> > >> > >> > Jerry Richardson wrote: > >> >> I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the > >> >> streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or > >> County. > >> >> They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with > >> the > >> >> other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. > >> >> > >> >> Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something > >> somewhere > >> >> so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. > >> >> > >> >> I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time > >> it's > >> >> all said and done (possibly more). > >> >> > >> > > >> > You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper > >> is > >> > $1500.00. I actually just recently was talking with some telcom > >> > executives about this. Oh and that is spread across lots of > >> subscribers > >> > over several years. You need millions or billions upfront. > >> >> That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way > >> ahead > >> >> (in 6 months they will be 5k). > >> >> > >> > > >> > Yep. And wireless doesn't require nearly as much effort in terms of > >> > rights o
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
Yes, but you probably require a interconnect with the other carrier in order to port the number. More to the point, VOX probably is reselling Level3 or whoever that doesn't have an interconnect with the local LEC and therefore can't port. -Matt On Aug 26, 2008, at 3:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > I am a rural telecom, one of the most rural in the nation. And I > wasn't > exempt at all. > > - Original Message - > From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:45 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > > >> If it is a Rural Telcom, then they are exempt from having to allow >> porting. VZ might just have a deal with them for local cell numbers. >> If you had a PRI then you can get numbers but still, they do not have >> to hand you the number from a leaving customer. At least this is >> where >> all my research has led me for my local ILEC that I would kill to >> port >> from. >> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:26 PM, John McDowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work >>> around? >>> >>> Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with >>> VoxCorp, so >>> they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something >>> like >>> this.. >>> >>> Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their >>> cellular, >>> and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with >>> PRIs??? >>> >>> Somebody have a solution? >>> >>> -- >>> John M. McDowell >>> Boonlink Communications >>> 307 Grand Ave NW >>> Fort Payne, AL 35967 >>> 256.844.9932 >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> www.boonlink.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This message contains information which may be confidential and >>> privileged. >>> Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the >>> addressee), >>> you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the >>> message or >>> any >>> information contained in the message. If you have received the >>> message in >>> error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], >>> and >>> delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to >>> spoofing, >>> spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your >>> computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the >>> message or >>> the >>> source, please contact the sender directly. >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by Rapid Link, and is > believed to be clean. > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Intel's new WiMAX/Wi-Fi combo chip gets FCC'sgreenlight...
Gino, You'll notice that many of the expiring leases are associated with Sprint, to include those SpeedChoice licenses (Sprint partner) and of course the Nextel and Clearwire licenses. Most all the upcoming expirations are for EBS leases, not the BRS licenses purchased at auction or from original auction winners. It is likely that none of those will be changing hands. I'd also be surprised to Xanadoo release its licenses and I know Digital Bridge won't. I am sure these guys all have renewal options, but it never hurts to make the call. Each filing includes contact names and numbers to the individuals who manage the licenses. What the view does show is just how extensively the commercial guys went about accumulating EBS leases from the non-profits who were given the spectrum. The non-profits fought hard to retain their spectrum when the bands were re-configured to remove the interleaving, and you can see why -- it brings in lots and lots of revenue for them. Imagine how nice it would be to be literally given spectrum which can now be turned around and leased for millions of dollars. At the same time, the offshoot result of has made 3650 MHz such a source of excitement and why you are now seeing about 2 new licenses per day in 3650 -- for most, it is the only game in town in terms of getting relatively clean spectrum. That's why I create my 3650 new operator list each month, so we can all see who is doing what and where. Cheers, Patrick www.sageni.com On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Gino Villarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, got it > > Wondering about the "about to expire" EBS/BRS Licenses ... can anything > be done to get/adquire one of those expired ? > > Gino A. Villarini > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Patrick Leary > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 7:41 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel's new WiMAX/Wi-Fi combo chip gets > FCC'sgreenlight... > > August issue of the Sageni Sum. It is a pdf. It is linked from several > areas, with one being on the "Sageni Sum" part of the Web site and you > will > see a download link at the left. Scroll over the images of the issues on > the > left of the page. The 2nd image is the current issue. > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Gino Villarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Patrick, wheres the info? > > > > Gino A. Villarini > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > > Behalf Of Patrick Leary > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:24 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: [WISPA] Intel's new WiMAX/Wi-Fi combo chip gets FCC's > > greenlight... > > > > and Toshiba already gets FCC authorization for its own labeled > > version > > and announces it will market laptops with the chip starting in the > fall. > > You > > can get the details, along with all the new certs, FCC approvals and > > 3.65 > > operator lists now available for any to read without registration or > > subscription from the August issue of the Sageni Sum on the > > www.sageni.comweb site. > > > > Also, some enterprises and industrial concerns with large campuses and > > facilities are now starting to get 3650 licenses (I have them listed) > > along > > with the occasional city. Will 3650 be Muni wireless 2.0? That is an > > interesting topic to explore. > > > > P.S. -- Jack Unger, please call me this week. > > > > -- > > Patrick Leary > > Sageni Consulting > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 727.289.2559 > > skype: pleary > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > -- > Patrick Leary > Sageni Consulting > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 813.426.4230 > skype: pleary > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: w
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities. They send the signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV receivers in each unit. The catch is that you're not supposed to cross a public right of way with the DirecTV content. If you have some questions, I'll try to ask. Otherwise, I'll pass you on to the reps at the companies I've been working with. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? > Ok folks, > > Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started > because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are > debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is > to > build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the > tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to > the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great > time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be > offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the > FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber > here > is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so > chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So > again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite > service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if > we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way > to > distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish > on > the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the > homes over the fiber? > > Michiana Wireless, Inc. > John Buwa, President > > http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com > 574-233-7170 > > "Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!" > > *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Chuck McCown >> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber >> >> We can buy the ONT for $375. >> The COE per sub works out to about another $200. >> So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents >> per >> foot. >> Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. >> In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. >> And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are >> in >> the black the second year. >> Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping >> much. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Charles Wyble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber >> >> >> > Jerry Richardson wrote: >> >> I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the >> >> streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or >> County. >> >> They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with >> the >> >> other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. >> >> >> >> Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something >> somewhere >> >> so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. >> >> >> >> I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time >> it's >> >> all said and done (possibly more). >> >> >> > >> > You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper >> is >> > $1500.00. I actually just recently was talking with some telcom >> > executives about this. Oh and that is spread across lots of >> subscribers >> > over several years. You need millions or billions upfront. >> >> That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way >> ahead >> >> (in 6 months they will be 5k). >> >> >> > >> > Yep. And wireless doesn't require nearly as much effort in terms of >> > rights of way etc. >> > >> > -- >> > Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 >> > http://charlesnw.blogspot.com >> > CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project >> > >> > >> > >> > - >> --- >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > - >> --- >> > >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/piperma
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Emergency FCC Information -FloridaDIsasterArea
I tried to get something like this going. But the board wouldn't let me send out questionnaires that they didn't design. So far, no one has come up with anything that will let us ask the questions that we'd need to ask to know who uses what and has what inventory/equipment/talent on hand for such situations. Plus, no one else seemed to think it was very important. It happens to be one of the main things *I* think wispa should be doing. For it's own membership at the very least. marlon - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Emergency FCC Information -FloridaDIsasterArea > OK, so why the preferential treatment? In other words, why isn't WISPA > performing this function? > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 8:32 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Emergency FCC Information - > FloridaDIsasterArea > > >> They have been in the past and they are currently listed as the place to >> go >> to find WISPs across the country. >> >> So I think it's a safe bet that they are. >> >> >> -- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:25 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Emergency FCC Information - Florida >> DIsasterArea >> >>> Do you really think the FCC has specified P-15 to the be the official >>> conduit for status reports? >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 9:19 PM >>> Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Emergency FCC Information - Florida DIsaster >>> Area >>> >>> For anyone in Florida... marlon - Original Message - From: Bullit To: Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:42 AM Subject: [WISP] Emergency FCC Information - Florida DIsaster Area Disaster data collection has been activated for Tropical Storm Fay. The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has developed the Disaster Information Reporting System (DIRS) to receive information on the status of your communications equipment in the disaster area. The area of interest for this activation is focused on those areas hardest hit by the storm and those on the projected path covering much of Central, Northeast, North Central, and Northwest Florida Counties including: Alachua, Bay, Bradford, Brevard, Calhoun, Columbia, Dixie, Escambia, Franklin, Gadsden, Gilchrist, Gulf, Hamilton, Hardee, Highlands, Holmes, Jackson, Jefferson, Lafayette, Lake, Leon, Levy, Liberty, Madison, Marion , Okaloosa, Orange , Osceola , Polk, Santa Rosa , Seminole, Sumter, Suwannee, Taylor, Union, Volusia, Wakulla, Walton, Washington. If you have communications equipment in the disaster area, the FCC requests that you provide daily reports on the status of your equipment by using PART-15.ORG. If anyone in Florida's current disaster area, please contact me off list ASAP. Michael WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
I am a rural telecom, one of the most rural in the nation. And I wasn't exempt at all. - Original Message - From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers > If it is a Rural Telcom, then they are exempt from having to allow > porting. VZ might just have a deal with them for local cell numbers. > If you had a PRI then you can get numbers but still, they do not have > to hand you the number from a leaving customer. At least this is where > all my research has led me for my local ILEC that I would kill to port > from. > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:26 PM, John McDowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work around? >> >> Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with VoxCorp, so >> they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something like >> this.. >> >> Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their cellular, >> and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with PRIs??? >> >> Somebody have a solution? >> >> -- >> John M. McDowell >> Boonlink Communications >> 307 Grand Ave NW >> Fort Payne, AL 35967 >> 256.844.9932 >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> www.boonlink.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This message contains information which may be confidential and >> privileged. >> Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the >> addressee), >> you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or >> any >> information contained in the message. If you have received the message in >> error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and >> delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to >> spoofing, >> spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your >> computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or >> the >> source, please contact the sender directly. >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.
YES But with me it's only dropping the Tranzeo CPQ client radios. Sure wish we'd get a fix for this. I reported it many months ago. New software versions haven't fixed it. Some even make it worse. sigh marlon - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. > Has anyone else seen this problem I am seeing. On my Mikrotik sites with > Atheros AP's the interface will decide to completely dump all of the > atheros > clients and then they reconnect again within 2 seconds. You can tell this > happens because the uptimes are so short. But the prism clients they never > get dumped and their uptimes are accurate since they were last power > cycled. > Take a look at this screen shot you can see the problem clearly. This is > happening on ALL of my towers that have Mikrotik AP's. > > > > Now since it happens so fast most people just web browsing don't know it > but > the people that are connected to online gaming and people using vonage are > about ready to shoot me. > > > > > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
I thought it was a Federal Regulation that phone numbers could be ported? That's why the cell companies had to start doing it a year or two ago? Travis Microserv Jeromie Reeves wrote: If it is a Rural Telcom, then they are exempt from having to allow porting. VZ might just have a deal with them for local cell numbers. If you had a PRI then you can get numbers but still, they do not have to hand you the number from a leaving customer. At least this is where all my research has led me for my local ILEC that I would kill to port from. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:26 PM, John McDowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work around? Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with VoxCorp, so they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something like this.. Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their cellular, and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with PRIs??? Somebody have a solution? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
True they don't have to port that number, but the customer could force them to forward that number to the PRI? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Jeromie Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > If it is a Rural Telcom, then they are exempt from having to allow > porting. VZ might just have a deal with them for local cell numbers. > If you had a PRI then you can get numbers but still, they do not have > to hand you the number from a leaving customer. At least this is where > all my research has led me for my local ILEC that I would kill to port > from. > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:26 PM, John McDowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work around? > > > > Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with VoxCorp, so > > they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something like > > this.. > > > > Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their cellular, > > and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with PRIs??? > > > > Somebody have a solution? > > > > -- > > John M. McDowell > > Boonlink Communications > > 307 Grand Ave NW > > Fort Payne, AL 35967 > > 256.844.9932 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.boonlink.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message contains information which may be confidential and > privileged. > > Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the > addressee), > > you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or > any > > information contained in the message. If you have received the message in > > error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > > delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to > spoofing, > > spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your > > computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or > the > > source, please contact the sender directly. > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
If it is a Rural Telcom, then they are exempt from having to allow porting. VZ might just have a deal with them for local cell numbers. If you had a PRI then you can get numbers but still, they do not have to hand you the number from a leaving customer. At least this is where all my research has led me for my local ILEC that I would kill to port from. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:26 PM, John McDowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work around? > > Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with VoxCorp, so > they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something like > this.. > > Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their cellular, > and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with PRIs??? > > Somebody have a solution? > > -- > John M. McDowell > Boonlink Communications > 307 Grand Ave NW > Fort Payne, AL 35967 > 256.844.9932 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.boonlink.com > > > > > > > This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. > Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), > you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any > information contained in the message. If you have received the message in > error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, > spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your > computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the > source, please contact the sender directly. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work around? Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with VoxCorp, so they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something like this.. Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their cellular, and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with PRIs??? Somebody have a solution? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
--- airCloud Communications Jerry Richardson 925-260-4119 Sent Mobile -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:13 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet its a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 "Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!" *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber > > We can buy the ONT for $375. > The COE per sub works out to about another $200. > So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents > per > foot. > Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. > In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. > And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are > in > the black the second year. > Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping > much. > > - Original Message - > From: "Charles Wyble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber > > > > Jerry Richardson wrote: > >> I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the > >> streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or > County. > >> They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with > the > >> other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. > >> > >> Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something > somewhere > >> so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. > >> > >> I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time > it's > >> all said and done (possibly more). > >> > > > > You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper > is > > $1500.00. I actually just recently was talking with some telcom > > executives about this. Oh and that is spread across lots of > subscribers > > over several years. You need millions or billions upfront. > >> That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way > ahead > >> (in 6 months they will be 5k). > >> > > > > Yep. And wireless doesn't require nearly as much effort in terms of > > rights of way etc. > > > > -- > > Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 > > http://charlesnw.blogspot.com > > CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project > > > > > > > > - > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > - > --- > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > --- > - > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > - > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Un
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
Contact Panaway and Calix. They have lots of TV options. Directv will let you do MTU systems. There should be a way to combine the two. FTTH systems with analog lasers can transport conventional CATV signals. Or become a Directv distributor. That is what do do for most of our areas. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it? Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 "Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!" *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber > > We can buy the ONT for $375. > The COE per sub works out to about another $200. > So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents > per > foot. > Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. > In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. > And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are > in > the black the second year. > Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping > much. > > - Original Message - > From: "Charles Wyble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber > > > > Jerry Richardson wrote: > >> I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the > >> streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or > County. > >> They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with > the > >> other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. > >> > >> Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something > somewhere > >> so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. > >> > >> I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time > it's > >> all said and done (possibly more). > >> > > > > You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper > is > > $1500.00. I actually just recently was talking with some telcom > > executives about this. Oh and that is spread across lots of > subscribers > > over several years. You need millions or billions upfront. > >> That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way > ahead > >> (in 6 months they will be 5k). > >> > > > > Yep. And wireless doesn't require nearly as much effort in terms of > > rights of way etc. > > > > -- > > Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 > > http://charlesnw.blogspot.com > > CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project > > > > > > > > - > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > - > --- > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > --- > - > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > - > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
Ok folks, Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest started because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they are debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this one is to build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed to the tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run fiber to the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet its a great time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we will be offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service over the FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do fiber here is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that, so chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of trees. So again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or satellite service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go with us if we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of a way to distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the dish on the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to the homes over the fiber? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 "Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!" *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber > > We can buy the ONT for $375. > The COE per sub works out to about another $200. > So $500 plus the strand of fiber. Drop fiber can be had for 25 cents > per > foot. > Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot. Including cleanup. > In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub. > And my arpu for the triple play is around $80 or more minimum. We are > in > the black the second year. > Small directional boring machines really don't mess up the landscaping > much. > > - Original Message - > From: "Charles Wyble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber > > > > Jerry Richardson wrote: > >> I hate to rain on someone's parage but before you can dig under the > >> streets and sidewalks you have to get approval from the City or > County. > >> They typically require engineering surveys, and co-ordination with > the > >> other utilities such as power, tv, phone, water, sewer, etc. > >> > >> Even with directional boring you still have to dig up something > somewhere > >> so there will be landscape repair costs, and cleanup. > >> > >> I would venture to guess it will be about 2000 per house by the time > it's > >> all said and done (possibly more). > >> > > > > You are correct. The cost per subscriber for fiber/cable/dsl/copper > is > > $1500.00. I actually just recently was talking with some telcom > > executives about this. Oh and that is spread across lots of > subscribers > > over several years. You need millions or billions upfront. > >> That's a lot of wireless. Even at 10k per wiMax AP you would be way > ahead > >> (in 6 months they will be 5k). > >> > > > > Yep. And wireless doesn't require nearly as much effort in terms of > > rights of way etc. > > > > -- > > Charles Wyble (818) 280 - 7059 > > http://charlesnw.blogspot.com > > CTO Known Element Enterprises / SoCal WiFI project > > > > > > > > - > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > - > --- > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > --- > - > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > - > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Free 180 foot tower
I move 140' towers for less than $1500 depending on how far they are from us.. One crane, two flatbeds, two helpers and I'm out of there. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:51 AM, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Do you know what it typically costs to take down a tower? > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:41 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Free 180 foot tower > > > > > > "northeast Maryland, near the towns of Perryville and Rising Sun" > > > > On Sun, 24 Aug 2008, John McDowell wrote: > > > >> where? > >> > >> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Marlon K. Schafer > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> > >>> fyi > >>> marlon > >>> > >>> - Original Message - > >>> From: "Art & Linda Hubert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:05 PM > >>> Subject: [TowerTalk] Free 180 foot tower > >>> > >>> > For those DXers who live near Northeast MD, there is a free 180 foot > >>> guyed > tower listed on QTH.Com. You must take down. > > > ___ > > > > ___ > TowerTalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> John M. McDowell > >> Boonlink Communications > >> 307 Grand Ave NW > >> Fort Payne, AL 35967 > >> 256.844.9932 > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> www.boonlink.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> This message contains information which may be confidential and > >> privileged. > >> Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the > >> addressee), > >> you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or > >> any > >> information contained in the message. If you have received the message > in > >> error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > >> delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to > >> spoofing, > >> spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your > >> computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or > >> the > >> source, please contact the sender directly. > >> > >> > >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1629 - Release Date: 8/23/2008 > > 1:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which m
Re: [WISPA] Internet + VoIP + ...efax?
contact Graham at www.leasedminds.com they are the company that I use for my e-fax. I also use them for my VoIP. Good Luck. --- On Tue, 8/26/08, John McDowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: John McDowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [WISPA] Internet + VoIP + ...efax? > To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "WISPA General List" > , "wisp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Principal WISPA Member > List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 11:38 AM > We've got Internet, we've got VoIP...now all we need > is a faxing solution > that works to convert businesses. > > Is anyone using a white label efax solution? Does anyone > have a box that > will let you do efax? Port local fax numbers? > > Thanks! > > -- > John M. McDowell > Boonlink Communications > 307 Grand Ave NW > Fort Payne, AL 35967 > 256.844.9932 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.boonlink.com > > > > > > > This message contains information which may be confidential > and privileged. > Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for > the addressee), > you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone > the message or any > information contained in the message. If you have received > the message in > error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail > [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > delete the message. E-mail communication is highly > susceptible to spoofing, > spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful > to your > computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of > the message or the > source, please contact the sender directly. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Internet + VoIP + ...efax?
We've got Internet, we've got VoIP...now all we need is a faxing solution that works to convert businesses. Is anyone using a white label efax solution? Does anyone have a box that will let you do efax? Port local fax numbers? Thanks! -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OSBridge
Hi, Is anyone running any of the OSBridge outdoor wireless equipment? Could you please comment (good, bad or ugly) either on list or off-list. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Free 180 foot tower
What kind of tower, what kind of condition? On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 10:41 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "northeast Maryland, near the towns of Perryville and Rising Sun" > > On Sun, 24 Aug 2008, John McDowell wrote: > > > where? > > > > On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Marlon K. Schafer < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > >> fyi > >> marlon > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Art & Linda Hubert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:05 PM > >> Subject: [TowerTalk] Free 180 foot tower > >> > >> > >>> For those DXers who live near Northeast MD, there is a free 180 foot > >> guyed > >>> tower listed on QTH.Com. You must take down. > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> TowerTalk mailing list > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > >> > > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > John M. McDowell > > Boonlink Communications > > 307 Grand Ave NW > > Fort Payne, AL 35967 > > 256.844.9932 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.boonlink.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message contains information which may be confidential and > privileged. > > Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the > addressee), > > you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or > any > > information contained in the message. If you have received the message in > > error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > > delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to > spoofing, > > spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your > > computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or > the > > source, please contact the sender directly. > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 4x 140' available
I have 4 qty. 140' MAX-TOWER self supports for sale. Each unit is about 10 years old and is rates for Class 2 wind and Ice. The lower 4 sections are 20' each knock down tubular legs, the top 6 sections are all-weld 10' each. They were used off lake Ontario near Toronto (Ontario, Can.). They are painted and lit with a top mounted DOL fixture. 2 of the towers have SRL210C-4 antennas @ the 138' level. The line, lighting and antenna come with the package. The towers are in great condition - no paint required, and were built in accordance with CSA S37-94. I'm open to offers...they're still in the air, but we can bring them down in less than a day and have them shipped the next. Email me for more info and photos. Michael MacDougall Operations Manager Tower Power Inc. Guelph Ontario Canada (519) 835-8120 -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Free 180 foot tower
Do you know what it typically costs to take down a tower? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Free 180 foot tower > > "northeast Maryland, near the towns of Perryville and Rising Sun" > > On Sun, 24 Aug 2008, John McDowell wrote: > >> where? >> >> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Marlon K. Schafer >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >>> fyi >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Art & Linda Hubert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:05 PM >>> Subject: [TowerTalk] Free 180 foot tower >>> >>> For those DXers who live near Northeast MD, there is a free 180 foot >>> guyed tower listed on QTH.Com. You must take down. ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> John M. McDowell >> Boonlink Communications >> 307 Grand Ave NW >> Fort Payne, AL 35967 >> 256.844.9932 >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> www.boonlink.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This message contains information which may be confidential and >> privileged. >> Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the >> addressee), >> you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or >> any >> information contained in the message. If you have received the message in >> error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and >> delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to >> spoofing, >> spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your >> computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or >> the >> source, please contact the sender directly. >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1629 - Release Date: 8/23/2008 > 1:16 PM > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
