Re: [WISPA] Tower standoff or not question
Perhaps a larger problem is having the copper cable run down the leg. I had a tower with a 10' standoff and the ethernet ports were routinely fried - with lightning protection. I put a switch on to take the hits until getting fiber run up the leg whcih cured the issue. At the same time, I moved the equipment off the stand off and onto the leg but never had an issue. -RickG On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > My understanding was that an electrical field of about 10" wide from the > tower leg, was likely to flow down it, if ever hit. > One purpose of offsetting the antenna greater than 1ft out was to solve > that. As well as purposes to increase seperation between antennas at same > horizontal plain, as well as avoid tower leg if an Omni. > > Although, we have mounted almost all our antennas to the tower legs just > fine, with no problems. > > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Scott Carullo" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:10 PM > Subject: [WISPA] Tower standoff or not question > > >> >> New commercial tower we will be setting up gear on, about 325ft up on a >> 400ft tower. >> >>>From a lightning perspective does it matter whether you install on the >> tower legs themselves or on say 2-3ft standoffs? >> >> We were asked to reduce weight and just install on the legs (the gear can >> attach no problem). I'd just like to know if there are any unforeseen >> electrical consequences. Thanks. >> >> Scott Carullo >> Brevard Wireless >> 321-205-1100 x102 >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WTB: MikroTik RB/411 with blown ethernet ports
On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 22:24 -0400, Scott Carullo wrote: > Man I thrown a bunch of these out. Have to dig through my trash now lol I posted a message SEVERAL days ago about these repairs. We can repair ANY routerboard, UBNT devices (Nanostations, bullets, power stations, etc.), Canopy... > I'm curious if I were to use say an RB433 would it be > any more resilient to close lightning strikes? Not really. The problem is due to poor grounding (the board design, not necessarily your work). Either way, nearly ANY board can be repaired. It doesn't matter if it powers up or not. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
There are chargers such as the Iota batter charger/power supply http://www.iotaengineering.com/dls.htm which are clean enough to run directly off of even with no battery. With a battery the battery just floats (no current in or out) as long as the battery charger is supplied AC. Once the AC drops the system runs off the battery. When power returns the Iota charger charges the battery and supplies power to the load till the battery is charged and then it just floats again. Greg On Aug 2, 2009, at 7:35 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: > Can you use a battery charger to essentially run your load from? > > Also will that load cause a smart charger to act not so smart because > of the load on it? > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > (321) 205-1100 x102 > > On Aug 2, 2009, at 4:30 PM, "Marlon K. Schafer" > wrote: > >> How long do you need to power it for? >> >> I'd suggest that this may be a great case for a couple of big >> batteries and >> an inverter. Just run the system off of the inverter all of the >> time, >> install a smart battery charger to keep the batteries properly >> charged. >> >> Cheaper than a generator, NO switch time. Ever. >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Jerry Richardson" >> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" ; "WISPA >> General List" >> >> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:34 AM >> Subject: [WISPA] Small auto start generator >> >> >>> We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it >>> does >>> not start reliably. >>> >>> Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need >>> to power >>> a CMMmicro - ~100watts. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Jerry Richardson >>> airCloud Communications >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower standoff or not question
My understanding was that an electrical field of about 10" wide from the tower leg, was likely to flow down it, if ever hit. One purpose of offsetting the antenna greater than 1ft out was to solve that. As well as purposes to increase seperation between antennas at same horizontal plain, as well as avoid tower leg if an Omni. Although, we have mounted almost all our antennas to the tower legs just fine, with no problems. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Scott Carullo" To: Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: [WISPA] Tower standoff or not question > > New commercial tower we will be setting up gear on, about 325ft up on a > 400ft tower. > >>From a lightning perspective does it matter whether you install on the > tower legs themselves or on say 2-3ft standoffs? > > We were asked to reduce weight and just install on the legs (the gear can > attach no problem). I'd just like to know if there are any unforeseen > electrical consequences. Thanks. > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tower standoff or not question
New commercial tower we will be setting up gear on, about 325ft up on a 400ft tower. >From a lightning perspective does it matter whether you install on the tower legs themselves or on say 2-3ft standoffs? We were asked to reduce weight and just install on the legs (the gear can attach no problem). I'd just like to know if there are any unforeseen electrical consequences. Thanks. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] commission
We have found that giving residuals is very helpful. The referral agent is also usually the customer's trusted advisor. There is no reason that the referral agent wouldn't advise the customer to switch at end of term, if another provider was financially encouraging them to. We rewards our agents, for showing their support on an ongoing basis, towards retaining customers long term. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" Cc: "WISPA General List" ; "Motorola Canopy User Group" Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] commission > We have agents, resellers and wholesellers > > Agents just refer customers our way without much involment, they get a > 50% of the customer first month > > Resellers are more Involved in the sell process and usually bring the > customer already signed, they also sometimes served as the customer > 1st point of contac, they usually get from 10 to 20% recurring > commision based on volume > > Wholesellers buy circuits from us and the serve and bill the > customers, they usually get 20 to 30% depending on volume and/or if > the circuits include ip transit or just transport > > > > Sent from my Motorola Startac... > > > On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:53 PM, "Travis Johnson" wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> What is a "normal" rate to pay an outside company that sends >> referrals for your service? I've heard of a flat rate per customer, >> a percentage based on the contract amount, etc. What is anyone else >> doing? (Like for a DISH network reseller that is selling your >> service as well). >> >> thanks, >> >> Travis >> Microserv > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
Generators are not illegal on roof tops. The once-hospital here has an enormous diesel one straight above me! It is now a multi-tenant building for businesses and residents. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:29 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > While on the topic of generators. > > Anyone have advice on how to accommodate generators in Commercial > Multi-tenant buildings. > > Several things come to mind... Gas generators are definately not allowed on > roofs, for fire safety reasons. > Adequate ventilation is likely needed for either gas or Propain generators. > > What type propain generators would likely gain permission to get installed > in a rooftop penthouse? or Roof? > > If a propain generator was used on a top floor, how would Propain get > re-fueled easilly? > Is is standard proceedure to have removable tanks, and just have new tanks > swapped (like a gas grill).? > Or is is customary to have tanks on the ground level? > Or is it always standard to put the generator at ground level, and run AC > wire up to the roof level? > Do propain gas trucks have long enough hoses to reach rooms inside parking > garages? Not likely will fit driving into parking garage? > > Do property owners worry about propain blowing up, and have limits to where > the tanks can be placed? > > I'm sure some of this is in local building code. And I can probably best > guess some of the answers for above. > > But what re other people doing, to both install and maintain at the lowest > dollar cost.? > > I saw those Generac propain models before, and they are very affordable. > Just wondering if feasible to install them on roofs/penthouses. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Jerry Richardson" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:08 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator > > > > Thank you, > > That is very good advice. After some research, I'm leaning toward a UPS. > > > > A pair of good AGM batteries and charge controller will cost less and be > > far less maintainence. Then I'd just run the CMM off the batteries @ > > 24VDC. > > > > Thanks again > > Jerry > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Gary Garrett > > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:59 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator > > > > Small generators do not auto start very reliably. > > When cold or dampness causes hard starting the starter can overheat and > > burn out. Generally you need an electric choke to start gas engines, > > propane can "flood" and need to rest before trying again, diesel can be > > REAL hard to start when cold. Auto starters can not adapt to changing > > conditions. > > Our best generator is a Propane Ford inline 6 cyl. 25 KW 3 phase. (1955 > > Model) > > The monitor cranks for 1 min then rests and tries 3 times. Everything is > > adjustable. It knows to stop cranking when it sees AC voltage from the > > Gen. so the motor over runs the starter for just a few seconds. Only a > > huge starter motor can take this abuse and last unattended. > > > > You may be money ahead to find out why the existing generator is not > > starting and get it fixed. > > > > Jerry Richardson wrote: > >> We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it does > >> not start reliably. > >> > >> Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need to > >> power a CMMmicro - ~100watts. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> > >> __ > >> Jerry Richardson > >> airCloud Communications > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
While on the topic of generators. Anyone have advice on how to accommodate generators in Commercial Multi-tenant buildings. Several things come to mind... Gas generators are definately not allowed on roofs, for fire safety reasons. Adequate ventilation is likely needed for either gas or Propain generators. What type propain generators would likely gain permission to get installed in a rooftop penthouse? or Roof? If a propain generator was used on a top floor, how would Propain get re-fueled easilly? Is is standard proceedure to have removable tanks, and just have new tanks swapped (like a gas grill).? Or is is customary to have tanks on the ground level? Or is it always standard to put the generator at ground level, and run AC wire up to the roof level? Do propain gas trucks have long enough hoses to reach rooms inside parking garages? Not likely will fit driving into parking garage? Do property owners worry about propain blowing up, and have limits to where the tanks can be placed? I'm sure some of this is in local building code. And I can probably best guess some of the answers for above. But what re other people doing, to both install and maintain at the lowest dollar cost.? I saw those Generac propain models before, and they are very affordable. Just wondering if feasible to install them on roofs/penthouses. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator > Thank you, > That is very good advice. After some research, I'm leaning toward a UPS. > > A pair of good AGM batteries and charge controller will cost less and be > far less maintainence. Then I'd just run the CMM off the batteries @ > 24VDC. > > Thanks again > Jerry > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Gary Garrett > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:59 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator > > Small generators do not auto start very reliably. > When cold or dampness causes hard starting the starter can overheat and > burn out. Generally you need an electric choke to start gas engines, > propane can "flood" and need to rest before trying again, diesel can be > REAL hard to start when cold. Auto starters can not adapt to changing > conditions. > Our best generator is a Propane Ford inline 6 cyl. 25 KW 3 phase. (1955 > Model) > The monitor cranks for 1 min then rests and tries 3 times. Everything is > adjustable. It knows to stop cranking when it sees AC voltage from the > Gen. so the motor over runs the starter for just a few seconds. Only a > huge starter motor can take this abuse and last unattended. > > You may be money ahead to find out why the existing generator is not > starting and get it fixed. > > Jerry Richardson wrote: >> We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it does >> not start reliably. >> >> Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need to >> power a CMMmicro - ~100watts. >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> __ >> Jerry Richardson >> airCloud Communications >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
Can you use a battery charger to essentially run your load from? Also will that load cause a smart charger to act not so smart because of the load on it? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x102 On Aug 2, 2009, at 4:30 PM, "Marlon K. Schafer" wrote: > How long do you need to power it for? > > I'd suggest that this may be a great case for a couple of big > batteries and > an inverter. Just run the system off of the inverter all of the time, > install a smart battery charger to keep the batteries properly > charged. > > Cheaper than a generator, NO switch time. Ever. > > laters, > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Jerry Richardson" > To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" ; "WISPA > General List" > > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:34 AM > Subject: [WISPA] Small auto start generator > > >> We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it >> does >> not start reliably. >> >> Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need >> to power >> a CMMmicro - ~100watts. >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> __ >> Jerry Richardson >> airCloud Communications >> >> >> >> >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > --- > --- > --- > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > --- > --- > --- > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] commission
We have agents, resellers and wholesellers Agents just refer customers our way without much involment, they get a 50% of the customer first month Resellers are more Involved in the sell process and usually bring the customer already signed, they also sometimes served as the customer 1st point of contac, they usually get from 10 to 20% recurring commision based on volume Wholesellers buy circuits from us and the serve and bill the customers, they usually get 20 to 30% depending on volume and/or if the circuits include ip transit or just transport Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:53 PM, "Travis Johnson" wrote: > Hi, > > What is a "normal" rate to pay an outside company that sends > referrals for your service? I've heard of a flat rate per customer, > a percentage based on the contract amount, etc. What is anyone else > doing? (Like for a DISH network reseller that is selling your > service as well). > > thanks, > > Travis > Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
Hi Guys...I'd steer away from inverters since they soak up a lot of power. You might want to look at some solar stuff with some of the AGM batteries Marlon mentioned in another thread. Run everything @ 24V is good that way you don't need any dc-dc converters. Leon * os10ru...@gmail.com wrote, On 8/2/2009 3:27 PM: You might want something like an inverter (Xantrex for example) which includes a DC to AC inverter, battery charger, and automatic transfer switch. Add the batteries and you're done. Greg On Aug 2, 2009, at 2:38 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Thank you, That is very good advice. After some research, I'm leaning toward a UPS. A pair of good AGM batteries and charge controller will cost less and be far less maintainence. Then I'd just run the CMM off the batteries @ 24VDC. Thanks again Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Small generators do not auto start very reliably. When cold or dampness causes hard starting the starter can overheat and burn out. Generally you need an electric choke to start gas engines, propane can "flood" and need to rest before trying again, diesel can be REAL hard to start when cold. Auto starters can not adapt to changing conditions. Our best generator is a Propane Ford inline 6 cyl. 25 KW 3 phase. (1955 Model) The monitor cranks for 1 min then rests and tries 3 times. Everything is adjustable. It knows to stop cranking when it sees AC voltage from the Gen. so the motor over runs the starter for just a few seconds. Only a huge starter motor can take this abuse and last unattended. You may be money ahead to find out why the existing generator is not starting and get it fixed. Jerry Richardson wrote: We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it does not start reliably. Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need to power a CMMmicro - ~100watts. Thanks __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.406 / Virus Database: 270.13.42/2278 - Release Date: 08/02/09 17:56:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] AGM Batteries / charge controller
We use a LOT of Optima batteries on the far. We can start a LARGE diesel engine from one made to fit a car. Easily. They outlast every other battery (other than the ones 4 or 5x more expensive and designed for tractors etc.) we've ever used. You'll pay out the nose for them, but that's what I usually put in my important rigs these days. I think I've only replaced one of them in the last 4 or 5 years (this includes ones in tractors etc.) No idea on the charge controller. If it were me I'd probably just hook up a good electronic battery charger and be done with it. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" ; "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] AGM Batteries / charge controller > Recommendations on AGM batteries for temp range 0-90F? Need to be able to > run a CMM for up to a day and a half. > > I think the math is: 2x 200AH = 400AH @ 3.3A = 120hrs x 50% discharge = 60 > hours. Is that correct? > > > Also recommendations on a quality charge controller? > > Thanks > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
How long do you need to power it for? I'd suggest that this may be a great case for a couple of big batteries and an inverter. Just run the system off of the inverter all of the time, install a smart battery charger to keep the batteries properly charged. Cheaper than a generator, NO switch time. Ever. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" ; "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: [WISPA] Small auto start generator > We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it does > not start reliably. > > Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need to power > a CMMmicro - ~100watts. > > Thanks > > > > __ > Jerry Richardson > airCloud Communications > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Where to buy Rohn H50 masts
Hutton Communications stocks them (as well as H20, H30, H40). Nello is not in production yet, but should start this month. Nello is the place to get the ridge mounts for them in quantity, or you can order them from us. Marco On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Plexicomm Admin wrote: > > Tessco > > Dan English > Plexicomm - Internet Solutions > d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 > Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Gino Villarini >> To: WISPA General List >> Date: 08/01/09 19:19 >> Subject: [WISPA] Where to buy Rohn H50 masts >> >> Any idea? >> >> >> Gino A. Villarini >> g...@aeronetpr.com >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] AGM Batteries / charge controller
Recommendations on AGM batteries for temp range 0-90F? Need to be able to run a CMM for up to a day and a half. I think the math is: 2x 200AH = 400AH @ 3.3A = 120hrs x 50% discharge = 60 hours. Is that correct? Also recommendations on a quality charge controller? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual band Sector Antenna (2.4/5Ghz) with RB433AH XR2/XR5
No reason to believe it wouldn't work. FWIW I think that's a PacWireless antenna which seems to get low marks around here. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:32 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dual band Sector Antenna (2.4/5Ghz) with RB433AH XR2/XR5 Anyone already try something like a RB433AH with a XR5 and XR2 connected to a single dual band sector something like this http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=22095 Any reason to believe the two radio cards would interfere with each other for any reason? Any other problems you can think of I might have with this setup? Having this sort of setup (assuming is works good) would reduce my tower signature by more than half. Thanks. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
You might want something like an inverter (Xantrex for example) which includes a DC to AC inverter, battery charger, and automatic transfer switch. Add the batteries and you're done. Greg On Aug 2, 2009, at 2:38 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: > Thank you, > That is very good advice. After some research, I'm leaning toward a > UPS. > > A pair of good AGM batteries and charge controller will cost less > and be far less maintainence. Then I'd just run the CMM off the > batteries @ 24VDC. > > Thanks again > Jerry > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Gary Garrett > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:59 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator > > Small generators do not auto start very reliably. > When cold or dampness causes hard starting the starter can overheat > and > burn out. Generally you need an electric choke to start gas engines, > propane can "flood" and need to rest before trying again, diesel can > be > REAL hard to start when cold. Auto starters can not adapt to changing > conditions. > Our best generator is a Propane Ford inline 6 cyl. 25 KW 3 phase. > (1955 > Model) > The monitor cranks for 1 min then rests and tries 3 times. > Everything is > adjustable. It knows to stop cranking when it sees AC voltage from the > Gen. so the motor over runs the starter for just a few seconds. Only a > huge starter motor can take this abuse and last unattended. > > You may be money ahead to find out why the existing generator is not > starting and get it fixed. > > Jerry Richardson wrote: >> We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it >> does not start reliably. >> >> Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need >> to power a CMMmicro - ~100watts. >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> __ >> Jerry Richardson >> airCloud Communications >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] does anyone have Alix 1D boards?
I am desperately in need of finding a couple of ALIX 1D boards. These are the mini itx form factor, with 1 pci slot, and a 12V power supply onboard. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
Thank you, That is very good advice. After some research, I'm leaning toward a UPS. A pair of good AGM batteries and charge controller will cost less and be far less maintainence. Then I'd just run the CMM off the batteries @ 24VDC. Thanks again Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Small generators do not auto start very reliably. When cold or dampness causes hard starting the starter can overheat and burn out. Generally you need an electric choke to start gas engines, propane can "flood" and need to rest before trying again, diesel can be REAL hard to start when cold. Auto starters can not adapt to changing conditions. Our best generator is a Propane Ford inline 6 cyl. 25 KW 3 phase. (1955 Model) The monitor cranks for 1 min then rests and tries 3 times. Everything is adjustable. It knows to stop cranking when it sees AC voltage from the Gen. so the motor over runs the starter for just a few seconds. Only a huge starter motor can take this abuse and last unattended. You may be money ahead to find out why the existing generator is not starting and get it fixed. Jerry Richardson wrote: > We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it does not > start reliably. > > Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need to power a > CMMmicro - ~100watts. > > Thanks > > > > __ > Jerry Richardson > airCloud Communications > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
Small generators do not auto start very reliably. When cold or dampness causes hard starting the starter can overheat and burn out. Generally you need an electric choke to start gas engines, propane can "flood" and need to rest before trying again, diesel can be REAL hard to start when cold. Auto starters can not adapt to changing conditions. Our best generator is a Propane Ford inline 6 cyl. 25 KW 3 phase. (1955 Model) The monitor cranks for 1 min then rests and tries 3 times. Everything is adjustable. It knows to stop cranking when it sees AC voltage from the Gen. so the motor over runs the starter for just a few seconds. Only a huge starter motor can take this abuse and last unattended. You may be money ahead to find out why the existing generator is not starting and get it fixed. Jerry Richardson wrote: > We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it does not > start reliably. > > Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need to power a > CMMmicro - ~100watts. > > Thanks > > > > __ > Jerry Richardson > airCloud Communications > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
Way more then what you need. http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100628959&categoryID=524799 The generac works great. Not sure if you have nural gas there but they can also be converted to propane. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Jerry Richardson Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: Motorola Canopy User Group To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Sent: Aug 2, 2009 13:34 We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it does not start reliably. Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need to power a CMMmicro - ~100watts. Thanks __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Small auto start generator
We rent on a tower that is suspposed to have gen-set backup but it does not start reliably. Any recommendations on a small auto-start generator? We only need to power a CMMmicro - ~100watts. Thanks __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Dual band Sector Antenna (2.4/5Ghz) with RB433AH XR2/XR5
Anyone already try something like a RB433AH with a XR5 and XR2 connected to a single dual band sector something like this http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=22095 Any reason to believe the two radio cards would interfere with each other for any reason? Any other problems you can think of I might have with this setup? Having this sort of setup (assuming is works good) would reduce my tower signature by more than half. Thanks. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking for antenna/enclosure - help
I didn't get a lot of bites on this so I'll as another question... Those of you using MT or similar, what antennas are you selecting for your tower APs for approximate 40-90 deg coverage per radio. I'd like to stay within those beam widths - less than 40 is not practical usually and more then 90 is too noisy for here. Thanks Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message > From: "Scott Carullo" > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:20 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: [WISPA] Looking for antenna/enclosure - help > > I'd like to find an antenna/case (like the arc wireless enclosure with > antenna / rootenna / DCE-ANT cases etc..) that has a larger beamwidth > horizontally. Most of the ones I have found are 22deg or less. > > Basically I'd like to emulate a Trango 5580ap antenna pattern. It would be > nice to have a compact antenna/enclosure combo with a nice wide 60deg or so > beamwidth and having dual polarity would be added bonus. > > Anyone know where I can find one of these? > > What are you all doing, external sector antennas? I hate to go back to > running LMR again :) > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9
The power from the controller to the radio board is essentially the battery power. So with full battery it's about 13.4V and it takes about 26 hours at 3.5W to reach 11.1V. This is a gradual voltage slope so you could set a warning at 11.5V and you'd have some time to take some action. At 11.1V the controller turns off the power to the radio in order to keep the battery from over discharging. If discharge batteries too much it reduces the life of batteries. If you want to run at lower battery voltages, you can add one of our TP-DCDC-1218 or TP-DCDC-1224 DCDC or TP-DCDC-1248 DC to DC Converters between the battery and the radio board. These units will give regulated 18V or 24V or 48V DC voltage from inputs as low as 9V. They have a built in POE inserter and 2 isolated power inputs. Scott Tycon Power -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 2:30 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 I do not believe the new boards does this do they? The RB230's and I think as well the RB532 could/would over SNMP report power levels and temps maybe the newer boards can't report temp but can report power over SNMP. If I didn't understand Scott incorrectly the power supplied out from the controller is stabilized so you will either work or your dead. So to use DC voltage report you would need a separate board feeding directly of the battery and as power on the battery start to drain your NMS would have to trigger on a low voltage problem. There is another issue here.. That is that the UPS battery is 12V and most RB dies or fail when the power goes under 11V. So the window of opportunity would be very small. Or am I missing something here? / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:19 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 Iirc some mikrotik boards report dc voltage Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Aug 1, 2009, at 3:34 PM, "Eje Gustafsson" wrote: > If battery is removed, the power to the radio shuts off. The > controller is > powered by the battery. There isn't at this time have a way to > monitor the > battery voltage. They're (Tycon Power) working on it but no telling > when > they might come up with a solution. > > I seen some pretty cool devices at ipenabled.com but they are not > cheap. > http://www.ipenabled.com/sp2.html > http://www.ipenabled.com/dcv.html > > Don't see or know of any way in MT to have some sort of probe > measurement of > DC voltage. > One solution which probably is the cheapest one and goes in line > with your > Linksys unit would be to bastardize a Bullet2 (the $39 Ubiquiti > device) and > either use it with the standard AirOS or load on your own software. > In full > TX mode it uses 4watt and I would guess no more than 1watt if the > transmitter is disabled unfortunately the exact load levels are not > in their > datasheet just the 4watt number. > Form factor vise it's as small you're going to get and at a very cheap > price. Alternative of course for size would be to use their > MiniStation but > then you're talking $79 instead and slightly smaller footprint then > a credit > card. > > / Eje > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:32 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or > isitgettingbetter? > > Yeah, I saw that post the other day. That outdoor UPS enclosure has > my name > written all over it :-) > It should be great for those one radio serves all suites via CAT5, > industrial warehouse style, strip mall style roof installs > > While on topic...Anyone know. > > Does that power charger/inverter unit still pass line power to > equipment if > the battery goes bad? (inline or standby?). > > Any good ideas on how to tell when the power goes out? For example, > if a > breaker pops, 24 hours later the battery runs dead and still creates > an > outage, if you don;t know power was cut. > One suggestion made was setup a second cheapo linksys router for > $40, and > plug that in NOT on the batterty, and then remote monitor that > device to > tell when power is down. > Although, with that unit, it might be hard to fit into the case, and > may > draw unnecessary current. Any ideas on how to handle that? Do any of > teh > Mikroik SBCs have i/o slots that can measure results of a relay or > something, to help with that? > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clu
Re: [WISPA] T1 bandwidth pricing
Now this is very interesting, I never realized that there were still a lot of congested routes in the USA The impression of most people outside the USA is that there is generally excess capacity on all routes but I guess the dynamics for >OC3 link capacity are quite different from T1 capacity, the US rates are about 20% the European average for OC3 capacity and even lower for 10Gbps Femi On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Robert West wrote: > T1 pricing here in this area, Central Ohio, is just under $800.00 for one > point of the route with AT&T including internet access. The VPN and > equipment is your own doing once it gets to their demarc, at least that's > my > take on dealing with them. The thing with being between cities, > however > I was a network install manager for Qwest in a former life.. The cost > to the provider varies depending on the path they are forced to take due to > the available facilities you route through. That's cost, not the price > charged to the customer. A route that is entirely upper east coast will > drive you nuts in cost and facilities because it's saturated but if you > route to the Midwest it's cheap. You can easily have one end that is crazy > expensive and another end that is dirt cheap, the price the salesperson > will > charge will be depending on the estimated total cost of the 2 points. AND, > more time than not, the provider has to lease facilities from another > company to make the path. Lots and lots and lots of variables. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Femi Adalemo > Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 2:55 PM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] T1 bandwidth pricing > > Hi friends, > I'm conducting some market research and would like to know what T1 pricing > between different cities for corporate VPNs has been in your area over the > past few months / years, I would also like to know what the breakdown of > the > pricing is (capacity lease, support, equipment, etc.) any information you > have on this would be greatly appreciated. > > PS this is not limited to US markets > > Thanks > > Femi > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
