Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[D. Ryan Spott]

Specifics?

ryan

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> On Jun 24, 2016, at 09:35, Judd Dare  wrote:
> 
> Azure is far from reliable.
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2016 11:03 AM, "Adair Winter"  wrote:
>> No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be.
>> They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy .
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM,  wrote:
>>> So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to 
>>>> their hosted core, it would be more difficult.
>>>> 
>>>> The other way around works great though.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to 
>>>>> the baicells EPC??
>>>>> 
>>>>> *gear spinning*
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade 
>>>>>> offs to other vendors.
>>>>>> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>>>>>> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already 
>>>>>> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> He said "real" good ;)
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>>>>> From: Matt Hoppes
>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> As opposed to bad? :P. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> "Good"?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer 
>>>>>>>>>>>> that one.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>&

Re: [WISPA] Small NEMA Enclosures

[D. Ryan Spott]

This works great for the side of a house: $32.50
http://www.lowes.com/pd_126702-74985-57095_0__?productId=1128857>

Details here:
http://www.orbitonline.com/products/sprinkler-systems/accessories/timer-accessories/timer-box/weather-resistant-sprinkler-timer-cabinet

I put an extension cord into the GFCI outlet and then plug that into the 
wall: $7.00
<http://www.lowes.com/pd_242043-66906-UT880608_0+2zc58__?productId=3190805>

The box locks and it looks like a sprinkler timer.

ryan

On 4/30/14, 12:06 PM, Sam wrote:
> What do you guy use for small NEMA waterproof enclosures? These would be
> the size to hold three UBNT PoE and a small (four-port) switch and
> corresponding AC adapter, and an electrical block with four receptacles
> for plugging in the aforementioned items.
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
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Re: [WISPA] OT Email Receipt

[D. Ryan Spott]

Make your emails html based and place a graphic in them with a GUID

When the end user opens the mail and wants to view the contents they 
will download the graphic from your server.


People can still opt out of downloading the graphic but if it is a 
critical part of the mail then they really have no choice.


ryan


On 4/2/14 7:04 AM, wi...@mncomm.com wrote:
My owners asked this. Is there a way or a protocol that will allow you 
to be notified that an email recipient received or viewed your email, 
even if they refuse to acknowledge notification receipt? I don't think 
there is but they seem to think they read something a while back

thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth/Performance Test

[D. Ryan Spott]

I liked the speedtests that are based off of fancy speedtest but I did 
not like the fact that I could not see historical speedtest data. I 
edited it to collect data on any customer running the speedtest.


I have a few customers that will call and freak out over slow speedtests 
until I looked and saw they were running the test over and over and over 
again with good results and then they would get a bad one, stop testing, 
and call me! After I told them I had a record of all of the tests 
suddenly the monthly race to get a bad test (and ask for a credit!) 
would stop!




This test shows your customer the last 5 speedtests and allows you, the 
admin to see ALL of the speedtests performed.


You will need to muck around a bit to setup the mysql username/passwords.

ryan

On 3/15/14 4:49 PM, David Williamson wrote:


Yeah, I'd like that script, too.

David

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Care to share to script?

On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Blair Davis > wrote:


There is a very basic one on my web site that sounds like what you
describe...

www.wmwisp.net/speedtest/speedtest.php 



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On 3/6/2014 9:30 AM, Sam wrote:
> Good Morning Folks!
>
> Years ago, I remember installing a bandwidth tester on one of the Linux
> boxes I had running at the WISP my wife and I owned. For the life of me
> I cannot remember the name of it.
>
> Do any of you have one you like enough to recommend? Basically I'd like
> for it to sit in the base of a tower so the users consuming bandwidth
> from that tower can measure their speed without touching my upstream
> provider - they can measure how fast and at what capacity my equipment
> is providing them with service from this server at the base of the tower
> to their equipment at their home or business.
>
> Hopefully this makes sense
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
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Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?

[D. Ryan Spott]

I would be happy to drive out there to give you a hand Arthur.

ryan


On 2/10/14 9:19 AM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) wrote:

I'm with Forrest here.
Back in the "back ol' days" of everyone running amps (we had to back 
then in many cases) some vendors loved to sell more power.  More power 
means faster service at longer ranges right?
WRONG.  Carrier to interference level is where your speed and distance 
comes from.
The high power systems, as Forrest says, cause the radios to produce 
much more *detectable* power outside their main band.  That power 
outside the main band causes the interference.
It was always a struggle, but when I used to do interference I 
convinced many WISPs that LOWER powers would actually improve the 
performance of their networks.  It was nearly 100% true.  In the rare 
cases when lower power levels didn't work it was because people were 
trying to use higher powers to over-ride physics and go through trees, 
buildings etc.
One very important note here.  If you do try lower power levels you'll 
have to lower ALL of the devices back down to reasonable levels (RSSI 
should be between --65 and --75 for most modern radios to perform 
their best, --55 will work but see the above notes about self 
inflicted interference).
A quick check is to shut down all of your AP's in an area and see what 
the noise goes to.
Oh yeah, very few radios really report accurate interference 
information.  If you are checking those levels via anything other than 
a real spectrum analyzer you'll likely find out that there are also 
other things happening in your area.

Call if you'd like and we can talk this out a bit more.
509.988.0260
laters,
marlon
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) 
*Sent:* Sunday, February 09, 2014 9:53 AM
*To:* WISPA General List 
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 
frequencies?


I'm going to agree with others...

Running outside legal limits doesn't look good to the FCC, and it 
sounds like you are definitely running outside the limits since you 
are whining about the ability to run your radios in a mode which seems 
to have no use than to exceed the limits.


I will also add that if you're running all your radios hotter than 
they should be that your nose floor problem is most likely self 
inflicted.   My experience over the years is that radios are designed 
to run at a specific tx power and if you're exceeding it you get a lot 
of out of channel bleed over.  Even if the radios don't do this you 
are introducing far more rf than is likely needed causing an overall 
rising of the noise floor.


Please don't interpret everyone's ire incorrectly.   We've just all 
either dealt with an operator like you are now or have been an 
operator like you are now.  And right now we're trying to gain 
credibility with the FCC which is hard to do when some operators are 
flagrantly breaking the rules.  Which makes us a bit grumpy.


I'm sure some of your neighbors out there would love to help you 
better understand what you are doing to yourself and help you improve 
your operations which will in turn improve your quality of service.   
Heck, I'd drive over there for a weekend if my schedule wasn't so packed.


In any case please ask for help in appropriate spots and let us help 
you reap the rewards of a correctly and legally operating network.


On Feb 8, 2014 4:49 PM, "Art Stephens" > wrote:


Recent events make me wonder if the FCC is trying to muscle wisps
out of these frequencies.
Since we are primarily Ubiquiti equipment I can only speak from
that platform.
First the latest firmware update removes compliance test which for
about 40% of our equipment deployed would render them unusable
since 5735 - 5840 runs at - 50dBm or higher noise levels in our area,
Second is new product released only supports 5735 - 5840.
Seems like DFS is such a pain that manufacturers do not want to
mess with it.
Case in point the new NanoBeam M series only support 5725-5850 for
USA.
Worldwide version which we are not allowed to buy or deploy
supports 5170-5875.
Seems the only alternative is to go with licensed P2MP which makes
more money for the FCC and drives the cost of wireless internet up
for both wisps and consumers.
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Re: [WISPA] WAN Optimization products for Medical Imaging / Radiology ?

[D. Ryan Spott]

Take a look at Riverbed steelhead and their software/appliances.

They are very open to loaning you equipment for weeks on end for 
testing. The setup is so simple it is not even funny.


http://www.riverbed.com/products-solutions/products/wan-optimization-steelhead/

ryan

On 1/24/14 2:46 PM, Brad Belton wrote:


We're very familiar with PACS.  Not sure what if anything you need to 
do unless the network is congested.  Typically the remote user will 
either have a pptp or ipsec tunnel back to the server/network.  The 
bandwidth the remote user has available to them (at home, hotel etc.) 
will obviously vary depending on what they are using.  The images will 
simply move faster with higher bandwidth connections and slower with 
lower bandwidth connections.


Brad

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*On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini

*Sent:* Friday, January 24, 2014 12:21 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WAN Optimization products for Medical Imaging / 
Radiology ?


Looking for a way for remote Radiology Dr can use low BW Internet 
connections (5-10 Mbps) for remote PACS reading,


Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

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*Sent:* Friday, January 24, 2014 1:58 PM
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Radiology ?


Gino,

Can you be more specific?  I came from a regional hospital chain, and 
they did everything from their downtown Data Center, and all hospitals 
had gig connectivity.  Even the bar-code readers had serial to 
Ethernet extenders, so even the serial scanners were IP to the servers.


Eric Rogers

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

(317) 831-3000 x200

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*Subject:* [WISPA] WAN Optimization products for Medical Imaging / 
Radiology ?


Anyone has any experiece with products for this application?



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Re: [WISPA] remote employees

[D. Ryan Spott]

+1 to this. I was party to a case where the employer was giving out 
stock options for overtime submitted during on-call time and other 
time.  Labor law goes for triple damages. [(amount not paid + interest + 
fines) * 3]


The lawyer summed up FLSA and overtime like this:

You can pay 1 chicken per hour if you wish. No US dollars needed. As 
long as your employee and you agree on this exchange.


If your employee works ANY overtime then you must pay normal overtime 
wages (1.5X normal pay). You MUST use US DOLLARS! If you were paying in 
chickens then the US Dollar equivalent would be a standard cost of a 
chicken in USD * 1.5.


ryan

 On 1/23/14 8:30 AM, Hass, Douglas A. wrote:


On-call programs are one of the three most common areas (after 
independent contractor/employee misclassifications and salary/overtime 
issues) that tech companies, including WISPs, get tripped up on 
regularly.  It is possible, but certainly not guaranteed, that you can 
pay someone a lower "on call" rate or some flat rate for being "on 
call." */_Remember that it does not matter AT ALL if you and your 
employee/contractor have agreed on how to handle 
pay/on-call/overtime_/*.  If your pay plan violates state and federal 
law, you are still liable (BOTH personally AND as a business---no 
hiding behind the corporate veil here) and state and federal agencies 
can still audit and fine you, even if your employee doesn't care!


Speaking generally, under the federal Fair Labor Standards Act, they 
key issue in determining whether an employee is "working" while on 
call is whether the employee is "engaged to wait" or "waiting to be 
engaged." Generally speaking, if an employee is required to somewhere 
specific during certain hours and is not free to leave, then even if 
the employee spends the time sleeping or reading a magazine the time 
is considered work time. (There is an exception to this rule for 
employees with shifts of at least 24 hours - in that case, an employer 
can, by agreement with the employee, deduct no more than 8 hours for 
sleeping time.)


On the other hand, if an employee merely has to be available to 
respond to a call by cell phone, or to report to a worksite within a 
/reasonable/ period of time, but is otherwise _legitimately_ free to 
go about his or her personal activities, then the time will not be 
considered work time. Of course, any time spent actually responding to 
calls that do come in would be considered work time and would have to 
be compensated as such.


Exactly where this line is drawn can be fuzzy. For example, if an 
employee is expected to report to work within 15 minutes of receiving 
an emergency call, that short response time may severely limit the 
employee's ability to go about his or her personal activities, and may 
result in the on-call time being considered work time. Exactly how 
long the response time would need to be, however, will depend upon 
various factors such as location and commuting distances.


Please make sure that you've had someone review your on-call program, 
along with any "contractor" relationships or salary pay plans you 
have.  If you don't have a written legal opinion, please get one.  
Even small errors here can add up quickly and result in massive 
liability for your WISP.


Doug


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Re: [WISPA] remote employees

[D. Ryan Spott]

It is more a management issue than a remote employee issue.

Get some sort of IM system that shows availability. (Skype, AIM etc) 
This allows everyone to know where everyone is all the time. If it 
supports video and screen sharing then even better.


Be flexible on hours and focus on him more like a salaried employee. 
Have him work within your daily core hours but allow for late arrival or 
taking time off in the middle of the day to do something for his kid or 
working late or whatever as long as things average out to around 40 
hours a week... They will normally average around 45-50 if you are generous.


Arrange for quarterly or half yearly trips back to the farm so everyone 
can see everyone else get beers etc.


If you do this well and your employee gets used to working from home 
with all of the freedoms it give him then you will not have to give this 
guy a raise for a long time as other jobs will not be able to compete.


ryan


On 1/22/14 5:27 PM, heith petersen wrote:
I have a tech who does real light field work, who mostly works at a 
desk in my office. He usually handles the customer BS, like phone tech 
support above what we let our held desk handle, as well as radio 
configuration and updates and support to my field techs. Due to recent 
personal issues he is moving 4 hours away. We figure, since he doesn't 
have a job yet and can get good high speed service, we might try to do 
a gig with us remotely. I would tunnel him into the net, access to 
billing, and a VoIP phone to our system, basically use him just like I 
do now, just no physical presence.
Anyone else doing this or have past experience with this? If so, was 
it positive or total nightmare? We are trying to figure out how to 
base compensation. Right now he is hourly, I can see time tracking 
could be a pain. In reality he could just sit there and play solitaire 
all day if I don't have any calls for him or any network upgrades.
Anyways I appreciate your thoughts. I lean on him pretty hard to take 
care of BS that I shouldn't have to deal with. Without him I see some 
pretty long days ahead. And I cant afford to keep a field tech in the 
office, though I have a guy that would rather sit on ass and talk to 
customers as opposed to doing field work.

thanks
heith


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[WISPA] HAM colo costs

[D. Ryan Spott]

For those of you that own towers or just know... What do HAM operators 
usually get charged for colocation?



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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power company BPL trials)

[D. Ryan Spott]

In trailer parks and RV parks we use them to move bandwidth out to the 
far edges of the park.  This helps us get past the big metal signal 
blocking RVs.


They DO NOT work past or through a transformer.

ryan

 On 12/28/13 6:49 AM, ralph wrote:


I am writing this because I just read an old thread from around 
9/20/13 on AFMUG in which BPL was being discussed.


I'm no longer on that list due to the amount of traffic, but I'd like 
to discuss it more here.


A. The failed power company BPL trials were a unique technology.  
However the frequencies used were not compatible with both Amateur 
Radio and with International broadcasters. They were shut down due to 
much lobbying from both groups as well as several technical and 
economic challenges.   It also still required WiFi of some type to get 
the signal from the pole/transformer to the end user. Good riddance to 
them and their noisy interference!


B. But the technology that has proven to be useful is more localized: 
Home Power Line Networking. Check out https://www.homeplug.org/home/


There is a lot of potential for us in these devices.

They originally began as "Home Plug" which carried data at up to at 14 
Mbps back in 2001.


They have a newer, more robust standard called Homeplug AV and 
supposedly is good for 200 Mbps. We have tested them for a year and 
have been (or plan to be) experimenting with several applications:


1. We do a lot of Marinas. We already have our WiFi APs plugged in to 
AC at each dock. We will use HPAV to deliver "hardwired" connectivity 
to those who don't want to use WiFi.


2. We do Muni WiFi. Since we are already on the poles and have access 
to the power company secondary, we may plug in a unit along with our 
other devices in the box on the pole.  This will allow us to deliver 
"hardwire" connectivity to at least half the houses on that 
transformer.  So in a lot of cases it will be useful.


3. We do MDUs. Same rationale as #2, but equipment closets instead of 
poles.


Yes we know all about the transformer issue. It will eliminate some 
potential users, but we are on a lot of poles and in a lot of closets. 
In some cases we can access both legs of the single phase line anyway.


We can send the customer to many places both local and online to get 
their home unit.


Here is the only rub:

All the units I have tried require the two units to be "married" You 
can have many units on a "network" but their security requires the 
users to press a button to synch the with the master one. This is 
actually setting an AES security key And you have to press a button on 
the master each time you add a remote. I am calling them master and 
remote here, but the units are identical. I'm using the term to 
differentiate between the home unit and the one on the pole. Someone 
did tell me of a set they tried that "just worked"


In most of my applications, the AES security does not matter- remember 
the core system is an open WiFi network anyway.  I would rather users 
be able to use a simple, easy to obtain unit. With the newer paired 
units having that preset, it may knock out some flexibility. These may 
be what the person referenced above may have had.


What I really want to see a manufacturer come out with is a manageable 
unit we can put as the "base".  Similar to  a WiFi AP, we could do 
authorizing (similar to MAC authentication or like DOCSIS cable modems 
are remotely activated with the CMTS) of remote devices on the same 
line.  Customer plugs in, calls up, gives address of  his unit and we 
authorize it. If they don't pay, they get shut off.


Of course we could stock and ship units that were preset with our AES 
code, but it would be a nightmare keeping all that straight as well as 
an investment in equipment we wouldn't want to make.


As I said, there is lots of potential in Home Plug AV  right now, and 
even more if the equipment becomes a little more flexible.  I'm just 
putting the ideas out there.


Anyone else using them or planning to use them in novel ways.



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Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

[D. Ryan Spott]

Even north of fairbanks Propane does not have much of an issue. Insulate 
and enclose for success.


I use a 1500 gal tank so I can get the 1000+ gal discount. They even 
apply this discount to my home propane purchases for the rest of the year!


ryan

On 11/26/13 12:48 PM, Terry Hickey wrote:
In my case, the propane was in various sized tanks from 100 gal Pig 
tanks to 1000 gal tanks depending on access. The most remote ones we 
used 100 gal pigs (14 per site ) and used helicopters to fly the 
propane. Made for more trips but the cost of the helicopter to fly big 
tanks was horrendous.
Tanks were out in the weather but the lines and regulators were either 
in the shack with the TEGS or covered and insulated. Average winter 
temp without wind was about --10 F dipping to about --45 F. Not sure 
what the wind chill was.
The people that bought the system augmented it with solar and wind 
(varying success with the wind as they could not keep impellers in the 
generators). It has been a couple of years so I am not sure of their 
present configuration or success.

*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:33 PM
*To:* WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators
No, it's in tanks that are the size of a medium sized car...  outside.



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*From: *"Josh Luthman" 
*To: *"WISPA General List" 
*Sent: *Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:27:26 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

Is the propane in a heated environment?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Mike Hammett 
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


I guess all of those homes that use propane to heat their homes
with its 20 below zero don't exist.



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*From: *"Christopher Erickson" mailto:christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com>>

*To: *"WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
*Sent: *Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:20:24 PM

*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

Yes, it DOES matter how cold it is.

Propane won't create gas pressure below -43.6F and many propane
gas pressure
regulators will ice up and stop working below about +20F.

This isn't a problem for many locations but it is still important
to know
what the limits are.

Christopher Erickson
Consulting Engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, HI 96738
www.summitkinetics.com <http://www.summitkinetics.com>



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I had 5120 TEGS powering 7 mountaintop sites for about 8 years
before I sold

the system. As long as there is propane, they work. No moving
parts, very
little maintenance. It doesn't matter how cold or hot it is, they
just work
. Simple power that provides heat for the radio shack as well.

Terry

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Who was this from?

Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG.

ryan

On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote:
> So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960
> plus a $300 mount.
>
>
> It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with
free
> Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal...
>
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Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

[D. Ryan Spott]

On 11/26/13 10:37 AM, Mike Lyon wrote:

Which TEG do you have?
I have 2 active and 2 in the shop Telan 50 series. They are no longer 
made but if you find them used snag them! :)



Global is pretty much the only game in town unless you to with an RTG... 
but they are really only in the tundra of AK:

http://ota-cdn.fas.org/reports/9423.pdf
or somewhere way past Pluto:
http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/spacecraft/instruments_rtg.html

:)

ryan




On Nov 26, 2013, at 10:26, "D. Ryan Spott" <mailto:rsp...@irongoat.net>> wrote:


*Someone* lives in Florida and does not need a Snowcat or Snowmachine 
to get to his sites...


Sometimes paying a little extra for always on and always working is a 
good thing. The maintenance on the TEG I have running is:

light
let run for 1-5 years
clean jets
relight
repeat.

No moving parts and always working is a bonus. :)

ryan

On 11/26/13 9:25 AM, Scott Carullo wrote:

Remember, I can buy 4 7Kw gensets instead of the one tiny TEG :)

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102



--------
*From*: "D. Ryan Spott" 
*Sent*: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AM
*To*: "WISPA General List" 
*Subject*: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

Who was this from?

Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG.

ryan

On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote:
> So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960
> plus a $300 mount.
>
>
> It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free
> Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal...
>
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Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

[D. Ryan Spott]

*Someone* lives in Florida and does not need a Snowcat or Snowmachine to 
get to his sites...


Sometimes paying a little extra for always on and always working is a 
good thing. The maintenance on the TEG I have running is:

light
let run for 1-5 years
clean jets
relight
repeat.

No moving parts and always working is a bonus. :)

ryan

On 11/26/13 9:25 AM, Scott Carullo wrote:

Remember, I can buy 4 7Kw gensets instead of the one tiny TEG :)

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102




*From*: "D. Ryan Spott" 
*Sent*: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:15 AM
*To*: "WISPA General List" 
*Subject*: Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

Who was this from?

Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG.

ryan

On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote:
> So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960
> plus a $300 mount.
>
>
> It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free
> Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal...
>
> -Mike
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Re: [WISPA] TEGs / Thermo Electric Generators

[D. Ryan Spott]

Who was this from?

Remember there is ZERO maintenance on a TEG.

ryan

On 11/25/13 9:04 PM, Mike Lyon wrote:
> So i heard back on pricing today for the 100 watt propane TEG. $7960
> plus a $300 mount.
>
>
> It's a cool idea but a Generac 7kw propane genset for $1900 with free
> Amazon Prime shipping seems to be a better deal...
>
> -Mike
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Re: [WISPA] question for the group

[D. Ryan Spott]

I have never seen this enforced in my limited experience. Most 
manufacturers have classes you can attend to become a 'professional'.




ryan


On 9/19/13 7:53 PM, Chris Stradtman wrote:

Hi all,

Most of my work is done inside so I don't really deal with most of the 
WISP issues.


However I'm being asked by a client to do an outside install.  This is 
likely to be in the 5Ghz range.


I've found a reference to

"Devices must be professionally installed when operating in the 5470 
-- 5725 MHz band"



I'm aware of avoidance of TDWR systems and the allowed and disallowed 
frequencies in that band.


However, I can't find reference to what is meant by a "Professional 
Installer".


Is there a licensing program that I can't seem to find by googling??

Thanks in advance,

Chris Stradtman


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Re: [WISPA] DISH Network Dropping Us

[D. Ryan Spott]

Would it be possible for WISPA to become a master reseller ala NRTC?

ryan

On 12/27/2012 1:07 PM, Paul Diem wrote:
> We signed up as a DISH Network reseller back in 2010 when they were
> approaching WISP's. We've averaged around 3+ new DISH installs per
> month. Last month we received notice that we have not met their minimum
> requirements and our reseller account will be terminated on 12/31.
>
> Our install volume is not huge because we mainly sell to our new and
> existing and customers We have used their co-op marketing program as
> well. Our old account manager would tell us our sales were great. Our
> new account manager has been nothing but a pain. I can't imagine they
> have much expense by maintaining us as a reseller.
>
> I know other WISP's became DISH resellers around that time. Has anyone
> else been dropped as a reseller by DISH?
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Contractor Needed

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Try this: http://cabletv.org/mailman/listinfo/cabletv-list
or this: cabl.com

ryan


On 12/13/2012 12:41 PM, Jay DeBoer wrote:
> We are looking for a contractor to handle 3 Cable TV system in Southern
> Indiana.  Responsibilities would range from Installs to line work to
> Head-Ends.
>
> If Interested please Contact:
>
> Patty Coleman
> GM of Operations
> Summit Digital
>
> pcole...@summitdigital.us
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Re: [WISPA] tranzeo management

[D. Ryan Spott]

You mean upload from the radio?

yeah, you can use curl to do this.

Take a look at tranzeofaq.com the autoconfig.txt file: 
http://tranzeofaq.com/autoconfig.txt

You could shape things like this:


Let me know if I can help in some other way.

ryan

On 10/13/2012 12:55 PM, Jay DeBoer wrote:
> Does anyone know how to centrally manage bandwidth shaping on tranzeo
> cpq and sl2 series radios?
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Re: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms?

[D. Ryan Spott]

Nagios does this quite well. 

ryan



On Sep 24, 2011, at 4:35 AM, Paolo Di Francesco  
wrote:

> Hi Ed
> 
> I was looking also for something that sends one "report email" in case 
> of failure when multiple nodes are down. If 50 nodes are down and part 
> of the network is cut out, I will receive 50 emails. I would prefer one 
> email that summarize what went down and what when up, i.e. the state 
> change when occurs.
> 
> anybody has found something with this approach?
> 
> Thank you
> 
>> Have been using the Dude as my production monitor for over 3 years,
>> works great. Monitoring DS3 and wireless backhauls, Metro-E, wireless
>> and DSL subs. Also Routers, switches and server services.
>> 
>> Ed Spoon
>> Manager of Internet Services
>> triparish.net  / cajun.net 
>> Member: FISPA / WISPA
>> Ph: 985-879-3219 / Fax: 985-876-6789
>> Computer Sales & Services, Inc.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
>> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it>> wrote:
>> 
>>hum.. I don't know... I tested the dude a couple of years ago and it had
>>the bad habit to reset the configuration, but maybe it was the
>>unstability of the version
>> 
>>Do you have it in production without any issue?
>> 
>>Thank you
>> 
>>> Dude. It e-mails, creates sounds, and even tells you where the
>>problem is!
>>> 
>>> *---
>>> **_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_**
>>> **Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>> Office*: 314-735-0270  >> *Website*:
>>> http://www.linktechs.net 
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>>>  - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>> /*
>>> 
>>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>
>>[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Nick Olsen
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2011 9:48 AM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms?
>>> 
>>> We use PRTG, The latest one.
>>> 
>>> We watch the web client for down devices, And the important stuff
>>alerts
>>> us via email and text message.
>>> 
>>> Nick Olsen
>>> Network Operations
>>> 
>>> (855) FLSPEED x106
>>> 
>>> 
>>
>>> 
>>> *From*: "Paolo Di Francesco" >>
>>> *Sent*: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:46 AM
>>> *To*: "WISPA General List" >>
>>> *Subject*: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms?
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> I am curious to know what kind of alarm system you have
>>implemented to
>>> see when a link/router is no more reachable on the net.
>>> 
>>> Nagios or similar?
>>> 
>>> any hint would be appreciated :)
>>> 
>>> thank you
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> 
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[WISPA] Bullet2M HP

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ANYONE know of ANY in stock?

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Re: [WISPA] Redboot help

[D. Ryan Spott]

It should not matter. IIRC when the device boots it is pre-.

ryan

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You did this from stock ubnt firmware? Or post openwrt flash? Or...



On 02/04/2011 02:09 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
> The NS2s can be odd.. You have to pretty much keep booting them while 
> running the open-mesh-flash.exe app from a windoze machine.
> 
> I sometimes have to reboot the NS2 3 or 4 times to get it happy.
> 
> ryan
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: [WISPA] Redboot help
> 
> Anyone here successfully modified redboot configuration? On a
nanostation2?
> Turns out they don't have telnet on by default. I executed
> 
> fconfig -w -d /dev/mtd6 -n bootp_my_ip -x 192.168.1.1
> 
> and now I get
> 
> Config verification failed
> 
> anytime I try to perform an operation on the red boot configuration.
> 
> Help!
> 
> I've got all 4 of my nanostations flashed with OpenWRT. Now I want to 
> flash them with the ROBIN mesh firmware. Or does anyone know how to 
> get a mesh operational on stock OpenWRT? I've tried for a few days and 
> can't get it working. ROBIN mesh seems like the way to go.
> 
> And of course I can't flash firmware from the OpenWRT web interface 
> cause it only accepts the .trx files.
> 
> Can anyone help?
> 
> Thanks!
> 

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Re: [WISPA] Redboot help

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The NS2s can be odd.. You have to pretty much keep booting them while
running the open-mesh-flash.exe app from a windoze machine.

I sometimes have to reboot the NS2 3 or 4 times to get it happy.

ryan


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Anyone here successfully modified redboot configuration? On a nanostation2?
Turns out they don't have telnet on by default. I executed

fconfig -w -d /dev/mtd6 -n bootp_my_ip -x 192.168.1.1

and now I get

Config verification failed

anytime I try to perform an operation on the red boot configuration.

Help!

I've got all 4 of my nanostations flashed with OpenWRT. Now I want to flash
them with the ROBIN mesh firmware. Or does anyone know how to get a mesh
operational on stock OpenWRT? I've tried for a few days and can't get it
working. ROBIN mesh seems like the way to go.

And of course I can't flash firmware from the OpenWRT web interface cause it
only accepts the .trx files.

Can anyone help?

Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo and Ubnt

[D. Ryan Spott]

Ugh... I had 900 stuck in my head... I meant an SL-2! :)

ryan


On Jan 30, 2011, at 4:59 AM, Phil Curnutt wrote:

> CPQ-19= AirGrid 2G20 HP
> SL9=NanoStation Loco
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Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients

[D. Ryan Spott]

Do you have any sort of trending for this site?  Mrtg? Cacti?

Tranzeo has snmp OIDs for signal and noise. 

ryan



On Nov 21, 2010, at 4:53 PM, "~NGL~"  wrote:

> Spoke to soon, starting to drop clients.
> From: ~NGL~
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:28 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients
> 
> Been up 23 hours since I changed channels, no dropped clients or other 
> problems.
> Keeping my fingers crossed.
> NGL
> From: RickG
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 8:35 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients
> 
> I understand that. I hope the frequency change helps. Let us know.
> 
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 8:15 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:
> Your partially right Tower is only 65 foot, but difficult to get to in good 
> weather using a quad, and it has been raining all day. No one want to climb a 
> tower in the rain. I have changed channel and it seems to be stable. I hope!
> NGL
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:43 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients
> 
> I take it the tower is fairly high so you're resisting climbing to swap it 
> out?
> 
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:28 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:
> Noise was the same as it always is 91 - 94 range, and is the same this 
> morning.
>  
> We had some light rain yesterday started about noon, and rained on and off, 
> the same thing this morning.
> We had some very hard rain and strong winds the end of October, and 
> encountered no problems.
> I am going to try switching channels with another AP on that tower .
> NGL
> From: Bret Clark
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:14 AM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients
> 
> Did it rain recently? We had a similar problem where the antenna was not 
> sealed tight and everytime it rained hard clients would drop off, but after a 
> few hours of sun shining on the system they'd be fine until the next heavy 
> rain storm. The thing that threw us off was that light or normal rain that 
> didn't last long didn't seem to affect the antenna, only heavy rain with 
> maybe some wind thrown in the mix. 
> 
> Then on a different note, we've recently been battling an issue where on one 
> of our 5GH systems clients were all dropping off at very random times...Turn 
> out damn BAE systems down the road was testing frequency hopping radar crap 
> and every time it hopped into the frequency we were using, the clients 
> dropped off. 
> 
> 
> On 11/20/2010 12:02 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
>> 
>> All the clients came back on line about 10 pm last night. and are still on 
>> line this morning.
>> I don’t get it!
>> The AP is a TR-902 11f which has an internal antenna.
>> The clients that were were dropped were a mix of nearest and furthest from 
>> the AP.
>> Thanx
>> NGL
>> From: Phil Curnutt
>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 6:51 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients
>> 
>> Put a power meter between the AP radio and the antenna and make sure the 
>> radio is putting out the power it should.  Also check the SWR, should be 
>> about 1.3/5.  I would guess that the clients being dropped are the ones 
>> furthest away, if the AP is losing power or the antenna is wet or damaged 
>> and losing signal.
>> 
>> Phil
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:41 PM, RickG  wrote:
>> Yes. Since you said  "it has now dropped 15 of 20 that are connected to that 
>> AP." I would suspect there is an issue with that AP. I'd swap it out with a 
>> known good AP and see if that helps. Otherwise, you may be having some 
>> interference issues on that sector which would mean you'll need a cavity 
>> filter. On that note, can you run a spectrum scan to see?
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 12:32 AM, ~NGL~  wrote:
>> Do you mean the AP? It still works with 7 clients now.
>> NGL
>> From: RickG
>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:12 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dropping Clients
>> 
>> swap the suspect unit out with a known working unit.
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:29 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:
>> I have 4 TR-902 AP's on a tower 3 are working fine, 1 has been dropping 
>> clients at the rate of 1 every 5 minuets it has now dropped 15 of 20 that 
>> are connected to that AP. I have rebooted the AP and some of the clients, 
>> with no success. I have no idea what is wrong. Now I see that 2 have come 
>> back.. Any suggestions?
>> Thanx
>> NGL 
>> If you can read this Thank A Teacher.
>> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Monitoring batteries

[D. Ryan Spott]

I use a superRMS 2 from these guys:
http://www.remotemonitoringsystems.ca/

The software they put on these things is just a little more polished than the 
packetflux stuff. I use both and love the cost of the packetflux equipment. 

Http://www.irongoat.net/sites/mtsultan is a private link that let's some of my 
partners see what is going on with the site. 

The wiring diagrams might be of use to you. 

ryan

On Oct 26, 2010, at 3:42 PM, "~NGL~"  wrote:

> What is available to monitor a solar site via the net. We have 2 remote tower 
> powered by solar and would like to monitor them via the web.
> Thanx
> NGL
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Re: [WISPA] P2P/copyright notifications for RLC students

[D. Ryan Spott]

Did you bill PeerMedia Technologies for your time to deliver this to 
the end user?ryan




On Friday, October 22, 2010 at 7:21 AM, David E. Smith wrote:

I just received three notices of claimed copyright infringement for 
students at RLC. I've attached them (and named the files after the account IDs 
responsible). I've reduced these students' accounts to 128kbps for now. Please 
contact these students and discipline them according to your TOS.
The student IDs in question are "downingel" (yes, I got two emails about him) 
and "gordonta".David SmithMVN.net-- 
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Re: [WISPA] Digital Loggers script

[D. Ryan Spott]

Gimme an ip/username and password and I'll make your life more exciting!  ;)

ryan



On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:37 PM, "Mike"  wrote:

> Ryan:
> 
>  
> 
> I will check into if that works for me.  Unfortunately, if I had a day to 
> spare I’d wash my Jeep, Roundup the lane, and get a massage.  I may have to 
> wait a bit of have a sleepless night soon.  Thanks!
> 
>  
> 
> Friendly Regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Mike
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Ryan Spott
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:40 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Digital Loggers script
> 
>  
> 
> Or, use the perl script they seem to pimp in their FAQ:
> 
> http://www.digital-loggers.com/files/uu4.zip
> 
>  
> 
> Something along the lines of:
> 
>  
> 
> Usage: UserUtil [:port]  <[n]{on|off|pulse|status}>
> 
>  
> 
> Examples: 
> 
> 192.168.0.100:80 admin:1234 5on
> 
> 192.168.0.100:80 admin:1234 status
> 
> 192.168.0.100:80 admin:1234 *off
> 
>  
> 
> Does that work?
> 
>  
> 
> ryan
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:05 AM, Philip Dorr  
> wrote:
> 
> If it is a HTTP interface then you might be able to use curl to talk
> to the device.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:44 AM, Mike  wrote:
> > Well yeah, I know that.  What I would like to do is >> if this and this or
> > this then do that.  I can write Awk code or something to do that, but I have
> > never "talked" to a digital logger with its native language.  Have you?
> >
> > Friendly Regards,
> >
> > Mike
> >  -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 10:37 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Digital Loggers script
> >
> > It's built in.  Just have it ping the device (or a device on the far side of
> >
> > a link) and set the auto ping to cycle that outlet.
> > marlon
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mike" 
> > To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 4:59 PM
> > Subject: [WISPA] Digital Loggers script
> >
> >
> >> Does anyone have a way to control a Digital Loggers Ethernet switch they
> >> would share?  I want to be able to say create a batch file or small
> >> executable to power cycle certain ports.
> >>
> >> Thanks,  Mike
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Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable

[D. Ryan Spott]

This is easy...

Explain to your customer that you do not trench and you have to run cable
across the yard.

Lay the cable out and tell them to bury it.

I tell my customers to bury the cable buy placing a shovel in the sod and
just cutting down far enough to get under the sod.

Then stuff in the wire.

This technique does not apply if the customer:
Runs horses as lawn mowers.
Uses one of those 'aerating' machines.
discs the yard (yes, this has happened)
Have 'digging' dogs... or Black labs (black labs LOVE outdoor cable)

I allow for one splice for free for the above. Additional trips cost money.

ryan


On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Robert West wrote:

> Other than renting or buying a small trenching machine (That I'm sure I'd
> use to slice every cable and natural gas/water/sewage line within 20 feet
> of
> me the first time I use it)  I'm interested in seeing if there is a tool
> that will let a person (Or corporation)  push low voltage cable down below
> the sod.  I have a design in mind but if there is already something out
> there I'd like to see it.  Yeah, to buy it or maybe rip them off and make
> my
> own from how theirs look...  It's a thing..  Anyhow, I normally take a
> shovel and make a slit in the sod and stuff the cable down in it but doing
> a
> 100+ foot run can make your day less fun than it already was.
>
>
>
> Anyone using any human powered tool (Other than a shovel or paying some kid
> 20 bucks to do it for you) to bury cable?
>
>
>
> Robert West
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Re: [WISPA] Customer ID-10-T problems

[D. Ryan Spott]

I used to work for a colo firm and we had a customer come in with sabers
rattling and lawsuit threats flying that we had allowed his colocated server
to be hacked He proved it by sending us the source code of the web-page
served by his server...

We were a bit puzzled until we viewed the rendered source on a
web-browser... and we discovered that it was the "this page cannot be
found..." web-page from IE!

ryan

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

> So we get an angry call from a customer demanding that we come out to
> fix their computer, because their Internet hasn't worked for a couple of
> months.
>
> Check the system logs, and yes - her link has been down for 13 days.
> Since we have an automated system that calls every two days when a
> customer is down for 48hours or longer, and then we have office staff
> call nearly every day after that period until we get an answer.   At
> fourteen days, she had received no less than eight phone calls, none of
> which had been answered.   We are very proactive about customer outages.
>Customer also had a long history of not responding to phone calls
> and had twice not been at home when our tech made the 50 mile round trip
> to her house.   There was a bit of a history there.
>
> Now that we had her on the phone, we dropped everything and sent the
> nearest available tech to look at the problem.   She has no idea how
> much of an effort that is right now because we have had THREE major
> hailstorms and multiple tornadoes come through our area in the last two
> weeks and all of our service staff and contractors are booked solid for
> two weeks to deal with radios damaged by the storms, ripped off of
> roofs, or "re-aimed" by the strong winds.
>
> It all boiled down to two simple things, one that is very common and one
> that we had never come across before.
>
> 1)  Her POE was plugged in backwards.
>
> 2)  After plugging in the POE, she was still getting a "page could not
> be displayed" page in Internet Explorer.   Tech sat down and started
> doing some testing to see what was going on.  Pings were fine, email
> seemed to work fine, technician's laptop got on and was able to do
> everything normal on her connection.   Plugged it back into her computer
> and got the same error.   Tech puts in our home page and it comes right
> up.   Checks browser settings and find out that she had set her HOME
> PAGE to the dnserror.htm file (IE - the file that comes up when DNS
> isn't working)  - which was putting up an error everytime she started
> her browser.
>
> #...@#$%@#...@#$%@#!
>
> Her next bill will have a $35 service call attached to it.   I'd like to
> deliver it wrapped around a large rock through a window, but we will
> probably just put it in the mail.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Availability Monitoring

[D. Ryan Spott]

I do this for my network and my competitors. :)

Nice to compare apples to rotten apples.

ryan



On Jun 3, 2010, at 3:10 PM, Nick Huanca   
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I wanted to see if anyone has any ideas on Availability Monitoring  
> of core
> devices and APs. Is anyone out there performing availability reports  
> using
> Nagios or anything similar? For example, if something is down for 1  
> hour,
> depending on it's placement in the network, it would bring the  
> availability
> of that section of the network down to around 99.990% for the year  
> (99.990%
> = 52.6 minutes per year). The issue is that Nagios dilutes the  
> results of
> overall network availability by including all the 100% figures that  
> were not
> included in the outage.
>
> Is anyone organizing their reports in a different fashion that more
> accurately portray availability of a network? I understand this is  
> quite a
> loaded question not knowing the topology or any of the  
> configurations of our
> Nagios implementation.
>
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -- 
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Re: [WISPA] ROS on x86 - Backup Everything (system, config, license)?

[D. Ryan Spott]

YEEESSS.. lat and long please... :)

ryan

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Chuck Profito wrote:

> just where are you?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:08 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ROS on x86 - Backup Everything (system, config,
> license)?
>
> No Ginger, but if topless brown-skinned beauties floats your boat then
> you're in luck!
>
>
> On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:35 AM, D. Ryan Spott wrote:
>
> > Then use 2 coconuts to produce a oh never mind!
> >
> > Is Ginger there? Cause if she is, I need to visit.
> >
> > ryan
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> >
> >> Because I'm in the Amazon jungle. No UPS, FedEx, USPS etc. It's like
> >> Gilligan's Island but we have satellite internet and a generator.
> >>
> >> Greg
> >>
> >> On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> >>
> >>> Instead why not buy a $40 Hard drive.  Leave the one in there with the
> MT
> >> ROS and if you ever have an issue pop the case, switch the cable and
> your
> >> ready to go.
> >>>
> >>> Steve Barnes
> >>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> >> Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:46 AM
> >>> To: WISPA General List
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ROS on x86 - Backup Everything (system, config,
> >> license)?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks! That's what I thought  - anything that would do a byte for byte
> >> copy/image of the hard drive would work.
> >>>
> >>> Worst case scenario is I lose the license and have to buy another.
> >>>
> >>> Greg
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Philip Dorr wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> If downtime is a option the you can boot the system of a live Linux
> >>>> distro and make a DD backup of the HDD.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Greg Ihnen 
> wrote:
> >>>>> I've googled and searched and can't find an answer to this. I posted
> to
> >> the MT forum, but I thought I'd try here too. Thanks!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would like to know if it's possible to back up the entire RouterOS
> >>>>> install including the license on an x86 installation. I have a
> >>>>> computer on which I was using for RouterOS but have swapped it out
> >>>>> for an RB750. I want to use the computer for other things (perhaps
> >>>>> Astaro or Untangle) but I don't want to lose the RouterOS license,
> >>>>> and I would also like to have the computer ready to go back in
> >>>>> service with RouterOS should the RB750 fail (I lost one to lightning
> >>>>> before adding lightning protection). Understand I am not trying to
> >>>>> pirate RouterOS or do anything which is contrary to the terms of the
> >>>>> license. I just want to use the machine for something else, with the
> >>>>> possibility of reverting back to RouterOS if the RB750 which replaced
> >>>>> it should fail. If I didn't live in the jungle of South America I'd
> >>>>> run down to Best Buy and pick up another SATA hard drive and use that
> >>>>> for the other OS. But I only have one drive so I'm looking at imaging
> >>>>> the drive with RouterOS on it and keep
> >>> tha
> >>>>> t image safe so I can use the hard drive for something else. Should
> >> this work? Any advice would be appreciated.
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Re: [WISPA] ROS on x86 - Backup Everything (system, config, license)?

[D. Ryan Spott]

Then use 2 coconuts to produce a oh never mind!

Is Ginger there? Cause if she is, I need to visit.

ryan

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:

> Because I'm in the Amazon jungle. No UPS, FedEx, USPS etc. It's like
> Gilligan's Island but we have satellite internet and a generator.
>
> Greg
>
> On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>
> > Instead why not buy a $40 Hard drive.  Leave the one in there with the MT
> ROS and if you ever have an issue pop the case, switch the cable and your
> ready to go.
> >
> > Steve Barnes
> > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
> > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:46 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] ROS on x86 - Backup Everything (system, config,
> license)?
> >
> > Thanks! That's what I thought  - anything that would do a byte for byte
> copy/image of the hard drive would work.
> >
> > Worst case scenario is I lose the license and have to buy another.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Philip Dorr wrote:
> >
> >> If downtime is a option the you can boot the system of a live Linux
> >> distro and make a DD backup of the HDD.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> >>> I've googled and searched and can't find an answer to this. I posted to
> the MT forum, but I thought I'd try here too. Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> I would like to know if it's possible to back up the entire RouterOS
> >>> install including the license on an x86 installation. I have a
> >>> computer on which I was using for RouterOS but have swapped it out
> >>> for an RB750. I want to use the computer for other things (perhaps
> >>> Astaro or Untangle) but I don't want to lose the RouterOS license,
> >>> and I would also like to have the computer ready to go back in
> >>> service with RouterOS should the RB750 fail (I lost one to lightning
> >>> before adding lightning protection). Understand I am not trying to
> >>> pirate RouterOS or do anything which is contrary to the terms of the
> >>> license. I just want to use the machine for something else, with the
> >>> possibility of reverting back to RouterOS if the RB750 which replaced
> >>> it should fail. If I didn't live in the jungle of South America I'd
> >>> run down to Best Buy and pick up another SATA hard drive and use that
> >>> for the other OS. But I only have one drive so I'm looking at imaging
> >>> the drive with RouterOS on it and keep
> > tha
> >>> t image safe so I can use the hard drive for something else. Should
> this work? Any advice would be appreciated.
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] You knew it was coming...

[D. Ryan Spott]

App Store -> Search ATT -> download app.

ryan

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> I believe Android systems will.  I'll know for sure Friday when I get
> the Evo 4G.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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>
>
> On 6/2/2010 1:54 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:
> >  All of this would be not as big of a deal if AT&T gave you a meter
> kind
> > of like what Comcast does.  I have seen the stats for my phone and I
> don¹t
> > use anywhere near 2 Gig.  I have a fairly active e-mail account that
> checks
> > every 30 minutes, do a fair amount of web searches, use trapster when I
> go
> > on trips, facebook, etc.  I don¹t do much streaming like Pandora or
> videos
> > so I am not worried.
> >
> >  The iphone is neat in the fact that WIFI takes precedence over the
> > Cellular net.  So when I walk into my house it automatically switches to
> > wifi for the apps.  I assume the droid will do this as well.
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Survey Results

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/25/google-pacman-doodle-devo_n_588605.html

4.8 MILLION hours of time! :)

ryan

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

> Isn't that funny.  Galaga is my favorite too!
>
> My wife loves Pacman.
>
> So near as I can tell men love Galaga.  Girls and environmentalists love
> Pacman.
>
> grin
> marlon
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Forbes Mercy" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Survey Results
>
>
> > So I took a survey and 39 of you responded with your answers.  The first
> > choice was Galaga and the Second Centepede.  I appreciate your help, we
> > will be integrating them into the Regional Meeting happening July
> > 21/22.  Thanks for your help in guiding our decisions.
> >
> > 1st ChoiceGame2nd Choice
> >
> > 2  Pacman   3
> > 11Galaga 1
> > 2  Gorf0
> > 2 Donkey Kong   1
> > 2 Centepede5
> > 1 Asteroids  3
> > 2 Asteroids Deluxe  0
> > 1 Dig Dug1
> > 0 Space Invaders 1
> > 0 Lunar Lander0
> > 2 Missle Command  2
> > 1 Zork 0
> > 2 Ms. Pacman 0
> > 3 Frogger2
> > 2 Donkey Kong  2
> > 1 19423
> > 1 Defender  1
> > 2 Zaxxon 0
> > 1 Tron 1
> >
> > Other notes:  Zork was never a stand up game (oops), Galaxian (pre
> > Galaga), Tempest (I remember that one, the flapping wings right?)
> >
> > Anyway, thanks for your help and filling out the survey, made for an
> > interesting Friday.
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Re: [WISPA] Good reliable b/g/n inside AP

[D. Ryan Spott]

What is a Ruckus box running now-a-days?

ryan

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Jeff Ehman  wrote:

> Ruckus Wireless.  Hands down.  Their smart antenna array, price point and
> simple configuration/maintenance are unmatched.  Plus, this pertains to
> larger projects but if their controller goes down all the APs still
> broadcast!  The only functionality that goes away is support/maintenance but
> at least everyone can still get on the internet.
>
> -Jeff
> Convergence Technologies
> "There is a difference"
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jason Hensley
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:46 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] Good reliable b/g/n inside AP
>
> So many different things out on the market right now.  What would you guys
> recommend for a reliable AP for use inside a conference room for a business
> requiring rock solid access?  B/G would be OK, but would prefer to go ahead
> and have N as well.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man

[D. Ryan Spott]

"Go get some nerdy glasses and see if your wife likes role playing, lol,
happy Friday!"

GREAT! *Insomnia City*

Now every time I close my eyes I will have Forbes in nerd glasses 'role
playing'

:P

happy dreams everyone!

ryan

On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Forbes Mercy
wrote:

> According to Maxim, which us single guys still get to read :) women like
> nerds more, good women anyway.  Its no insult at all, I spent the same
> amount of time on those games in my youth and Matt's Galaga is my fav,
> maybe we can have the St. Louis WISP dig one up for the hotel at our
> upcoming Regional Meeting. Oddly once I owned an ISP I didn't seem to
> want to play games anymore, the sad off-shoot of being on the computer
> too much but have no fear the closet gamer is in all of us or it's
> doubtful we'd love this business so much.  Go get some nerdy glasses and
> see if your wife likes role playing, lol, happy Friday!
>
> Forbes
>
> On 5/21/2010 8:58 AM, Robert West wrote:
> > That's a moment that any man can be proud of.
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > Bob-
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
> > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:39 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
> >
> > I used to spend 12-15 hours a day playing this. I think I wore out
> several
> > Atari 2600 joysticks.
> >
> > I am not a gamer as my fast twitch muscles were not fast enough for games
> > faster than Pacman. My wife was not aware of this past history and
> foolishly
> > challenged me to a Mrs Pacman table-top game at a bar one night. She
> played
> > her turn... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd
> around
> > me.
> >
> > Her jaw was on the floor, she just muttered what she thinks is an insult:
> "I
> > married such a nerd."
> >
> > :)
> >
> > ryan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jack Unger  wrote:
> >
> >
> >>   But dd...
> >>
> >> Robert West wrote:
> >>
> >> Stop playing Google Pac Man and get back to work!
> >>
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> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man

[D. Ryan Spott]

I used to spend 12-15 hours a day playing this. I think I wore out several
Atari 2600 joysticks.

I am not a gamer as my fast twitch muscles were not fast enough for games
faster than Pacman. My wife was not aware of this past history and foolishly
challenged me to a Mrs Pacman table-top game at a bar one night. She played
her turn... and then I played mine for ~2.5 hours. I had a crowd around
me.

Her jaw was on the floor, she just muttered what she thinks is an insult: "I
married such a nerd."

:)

ryan



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>  But dd...
>
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>
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

[D. Ryan Spott]

What do your trends show you?

Take your yearly graph and draw a line along the averages. Extend this
line what does it do?

ryan

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 6:54 AM, RickG  wrote:

> When you peak at 65-75 percent its probably time to add more. It
> depends on how fast your filling it up and how long it takes to
> implement the new capacity.
> -RickG
>
> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> > At what percentage of your backbone usage do you look at adding more
> > capacity. At peak times I run at 65-70 percent of capacity.  Just
> > looking for suggestions.
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[WISPA] Times Microwave tools for LMR 400...

[D. Ryan Spott]

I am looking for the following:
EZ-400-NMH-D Connector
CCT-01 Tool (cutter)
ST-400EZ tool (cable Prep tool)
DBT-U (deburr tool)
HX4 Tool (crimp tool)

Separately or in a kit...

Does anyone have a favorite Vendor? I saw one vendor selling a kit for
LMR400/600 with all of the above parts. They wanted over $1000 for it!

The 'EZ-Crimp" connectors look like the way to go, but other advice is
appreciated.

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Re: [WISPA] Hamvention

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It wasn't a she... and it was all night baby :)

ryan

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Robert West wrote:

> What?  Then who was it I spent the day with???!!!
>
> She said her name was Rickesha.
>
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> - Original Message -
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> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:08 PM
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>
> I'm sorry Bob! I was slacking all night on a water tank after it took
> a direct hit. Picture of omni attached. Even with LP in place, it
> melted the cabling down to the enclosure and burned up everything in
> it! I got it back up & running by dropping temporary cables down the
> side of the tower. A dozen man hours later - it's all new. Maybe next
> year!
>
> On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Robert West
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> > Rick, was good to hang with you today. Very cool. I never imagined you as
> > a short black woman... But it's all good.
> >
> > Go figure, Rick being short for Rickesha.
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Re: [WISPA] Customer Speed Tests

[D. Ryan Spott]

Take a look at 

I modified mine to save speedtests that my clients run so I can review them
at a later date. This helps me spot trends. I let my customers see the last
5 or so speedtests.

Some advice:
1. Make sure you save ALL of the speedtests your clients run. Then you can
look at the history of speedtests when the customer emails you to whine
about "slow speeds" and sends you a screenshot of the speedtest... the
one they cherry picked to show slow speeds... This generally happens around
billing time.
2. Make sure that it is only available on your network. I had to put mine
behind a php ACL to prevent dialup users from telling me that my wireless
was no faster than their dialup according to my speedtest that they ran
from their dialup connection!! *head-desk*.
3. (this makes #2 even more important.. I cannot tell you how many customers
would call complaining about 'slow speeds'... and after investigating I
found they were using an AOL proxy or a proxy running some filtering
software... or performing the speedtest through their corp VPN connection!

ryan

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Carl Shivers wrote:

> >From time to time I get customer complaints when they use various offsite
> speed tests. Does anyone know of good speed test software that I can set up
> on my network?
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Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software

[D. Ryan Spott]

Yeah, I was gonna say. I looked at, and even entered my subs into powercode
at one point last summer... happily thinking "this system is gonna rock!"
and then I found out that I only get 1/2 of the features that were
advertised. :(

I ended up not going with them.

ryan

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote:

> I personally think it's more like $1.35/sub or $1.65/sub for everything.
> Our normal bill is about $1200/mo I think for 850 subs.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "D. Ryan Spott" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software
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> $1 For everything or just half the features?
>
> ryan
>
> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:
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> > Something like $1/active account.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
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> > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Sara Gray  wrote:
> > > How much does powercode cost?
> > >
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> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
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> > > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:39 PM
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> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software
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> > > I use Powercode.
> > >
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> > > To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:35 AM
> > > Subject: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software
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> > >> I'm looking for software to tract customer calls, trouble tickets,
> > >> appointments, and customer information.  Can anyone suggest a good
> > >> software
> > >> that can do this.  Id like to have web access.  I've looked at a few
> > >> but
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Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software

[D. Ryan Spott]

$1 For everything or just half the features?

ryan

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman
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> Something like $1/active account.
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> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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> continue that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
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> > How much does powercode cost?
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:39 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software
> >
> > I use Powercode.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Sara Gray" 
> > To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:35 AM
> > Subject: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software
> >
> >
> >> I'm looking for software to tract customer calls, trouble tickets,
> >> appointments, and customer information.  Can anyone suggest a good
> >> software
> >> that can do this.  Id like to have web access.  I've looked at a few but
> >> have never heard of most of them so I'm looking for suggestions of what
> >> others have used and like.  Thanks for any input.
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Cap Implementation

[D. Ryan Spott]

Hey Matt,

Can you give us your customers' reaction to this change after a few weeks?

ryan

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:

> Since there has been a lot of discussion about bandwidth caps on this
> list recently, I thought that I would share the one that we recently
> implemented, along with some details on how we are enforcing it and how
> we established the caps.
>
> Going back to day 1, we have had a 3gig cap on broadband customers with
> a $25/gig surcharge for anyone exceeding that amount. When we were using
> all StarOS V2, the radius accounting information was keeping fairly
> close track of the bandwidth per customer. Fast forward six years, and
> that cap was so low as to be a joke -- and we had not been enforcing it.
> It was also very difficult to collect accurate accounting data - StarOS
> evolved and the radius accounting became useless in version 3, so some
> access points were tracking it and others were not. We also have a few
> Tranzeo and Mikrotik access points in the system and no good way to
> collect the individual subscriber download information from them either.
>
> After looking at several different options for collecting the bandwidth
> traffic information, we decided to use open source tools to develop our
> own solution. We installed a switch between our core and edge routers --
> behind the NAT so that it could see all customer's IP addresses -- and
> mirrored a port to our new collection server. The collection server is a
> Linux box running CentOS 5.2. The linux box is using softflowd-0.98 to
> collect the netflows, and flow-tools-v-0.68.5 to look at the data. Daily
> reports are mailed out to our techs list to show the customer who are
> nearing or over their caps. A customer page was created that shows the
> customers how much bandwidth they have used, how much they have left
> before charges and what their overage charges are (if any). The customer
> page also shows their historical usage trend for the last 12 months --
> starting with April 2010 when we started collecting the information.
> Starting on June 1, we will bill overages as a separate charge to the
> customers on the 1^st of the month, regardless of their billing
> anniversary.
>
> The process of implementing this was quite interesting. Out of 2000+
> customers, 80 used more than 10 gigs for the month. One customer - a 1
> meg subscriber at the far eastern edge of our network, behind seven
> wireless hops and on an 802.11b AP -- downloaded 140gig. Another one, on
> the far western side of our network, downloaded 110gig. We called them
> and found out that they were watching a ton of online video. We
> discovered a county government connection that was around 100gig --
> mostly because someone in the sheriff's department was pounding for
> BitTorrent files from 1am to 7am in the morning, and sometimes crashing
> their firewall machine because of the traffic. We also discovered that
> there was 80-100meg of stateless udp type traffic traversing our routed
> network and getting to our core router. Revised firewall rules on the
> APs fixed this problem. The majority of the rest of the subs on the list
> were either online video watchers, people with virus problems or who had
> left filesharing programs running on their computers.
>
> After reviewing the usage records, we decided on the following cap sizes
> for our plans:
>
> Package Monthly Download Cap
>
> 384k 10 gigabytes
>
> 640k 10 gigabytes
>
> 1 meg 20 gigabytes
>
> 2 meg 40 gigabytes
>
> 3 meg 50 gigabytes
>
> 4 meg 60 gigabytes
>
> 8 meg 80 gigabytes
>
> Additional capacity over cap $1 per gigabyte over the cap
>
> I feel that these caps are more than generous, and should have a minimal
> effect on the majority of our customers. With our backbone consumption
> per customer increasing, implementing caps of some kind became a
> necessity. I am not looking at the caps as a new "profit center" -- they
> are a deterrent as much as anything. It will provide an incentive for
> customers to upgrade to a faster plan with a higher cap, or take their
> download habits to a competitor and chew up someone else's bandwidth.
>
> This has been an educational experience, and probably one that we should
> have gone through a couple of years ago. I would like to thank the
> people on the WISPA and Butch Evans' Mikrotik lists for their input
> while we were developing this system.
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[D. Ryan Spott]

I think you are going to see more discussion on the <
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/tranzeo_wimax_users> with the recent
purchase of Aperto they might be THE way to get into wimax for a reasonable
price.

ryan

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

> Tranzeo needs to step up their game, I mean, look how many manufacturers
> have Mimo-N radio's out now. Look how long it took Tranzeo to add 802.11G
> to
> the CPQ line. Then 10mhz channels on top of that.
>
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> P.O. Box 126
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 11:40 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.
>
> I have yet to find a Tranzeo AP that works.
>
> Pull it out and put nearly anything else in it's place.
>
> I use MT for ap's and have not looked back.  How many Tranzeo ap's would
> you
>
> like?  I've got stacks of them on the shelf (I use them for REALLY small
> repeater sites).
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kosinet Wireless" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 1:49 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.
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>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of
> good
> > answers right now.
> >
> > We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged,
> > including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x for
> > management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our Public
> > IP
> > address space is 98.100.x.x)
> >
> > We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP - Addressed
> > them
> > into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great, but
> > we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a short
> > while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..) While
> > testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or stay
> > logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP drops
> > off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only constant
> > is
> > the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from
> work
> > flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario, here's
> > the
> > question.
> >
> > Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the
> > 10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[D. Ryan Spott]

Tranzeo APs (not the EL models) are great for small <15 sub sites. After
that, they tank.

ryan

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

> I have yet to find a Tranzeo AP that works.
>
> Pull it out and put nearly anything else in it's place.
>
> I use MT for ap's and have not looked back.  How many Tranzeo ap's would
> you
> like?  I've got stacks of them on the shelf (I use them for REALLY small
> repeater sites).
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kosinet Wireless" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 1:49 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.
>
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of
> good
> > answers right now.
> >
> > We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged,
> > including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x for
> > management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our Public
> > IP
> > address space is 98.100.x.x)
> >
> > We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP - Addressed
> > them
> > into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great, but
> > we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a short
> > while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..) While
> > testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or stay
> > logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP drops
> > off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only constant
> > is
> > the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from
> work
> > flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario, here's
> > the
> > question.
> >
> > Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the
> > 10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?
> >
> > -Gary-
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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M5

[D. Ryan Spott]

Is that a 'ptp' link or a 'ptmp' link?

The sector hints at this being the latter. Also, what sort of pps are  
you seeing on this link?

ryan



On Apr 26, 2010, at 1:13 PM, Michael Baird  wrote:

> Oops, actually that's wrong. I've got a rocket m5/rocketdish 30 on one
> side, and a rocket m5/rocket 120/19 db sector on the other.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>> I've got a 10 mile link with two Ubiquiti 2ft dishes -60 or so on  
>> both
>> sides, I can get 77 megs one way and 58 the other, one side has some
>> noise issues hurting throughput. This was mcs15 130/117.
>>
>> Regards
>> Michael Baird
>>
>>> What kind of realistic throughput are people getting out of these?
>>> 10, 20 and 40meg channels?  Where I want to try one I doubt I can
>>> spare 40meg of 5.8.  Was thinking of a 3 foot dual polarity dish and
>>> big backhaul.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

[D. Ryan Spott]

L->R

Ryan, John, Alex, Jack and Stephen.

ryan



On Apr 5, 2010, at 5:41 AM, Steve Barnes  wrote:

> This is a great report good job guys and thank you.
>
> Next question.  I don't know any of the team personally just from  
> your posts.  The picture in the report, can you give us a who's who  
> left to right.
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On Behalf Of Jack Unger
> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:17 PM
> To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC
>
> Last Wednesday, March 31, the WISPA FCC Committee assisted by the  
> WISPA Promotions Committee met with top managers of the FCC Office  
> of Engineering and Technology (OET) at FCC Headquarters in  
> Washington D.C.
> to discuss the status of WISPA's TV Whitespaces filings.
>
> The following Members represented WISPA. Ryan Spott, Alex Phillips,  
> John Scriver, and Jack Unger. The WISPA Team was assisted by Steve  
> Coran of Rini/Coran LLC in Washington.
>
> All Team Members made valuable contributions to the effort and we  
> all feel that the meeting went well. Our goal was to ask the FCC  
> take favorable action soon on WISPA's Petitions to adjust the TV  
> Whitespace rules by making corrections to several problem areas,  
> thereby making WISP use of the Whitespaces more practical and more  
> successful.
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Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?

[D. Ryan Spott]

12 feet per floor is how we do it in the fire service.

10 feet per floor for residential.

But RF is diffrent than fire behaivior... Well I guess both can burn  
you. ;)

ryan



On Mar 30, 2010, at 10:38 AM, "Marlon K. Schafer"  
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> Clyde M. taught me a cool trick.
>
> Use a ruler, move back from a door till the door fills a 1/4" (or  
> similar)
> mark.  Then count the marks to the top of the building.  Multiply  
> that by 7'
> for the average door height and you'll know how tall the building  
> is.  Very
> slick trick.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "jp" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Building Heights?
>
>
>> Tax assessing data
>>
>> 45 degree square and a tape measure on flat ground.
>>
>> 45 degree square, laser rangefinder, scientific calculator.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 02:07:36PM -0400, Charles Hooper wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Does anyone know a reliable source/method of getting building  
>>> heights?
>>> Something like a topographical map that included buildings would be
>>> excellent, but I haven't been able to find anything like this.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Charles
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Sector Tilt angle

[D. Ryan Spott]

"really good TV reception"

It tells them something so they get less interested and leave you alone.

ryan



On Mar 29, 2010, at 8:25 PM, "Mike Mattox"  wrote:

> SSSH,  aliens
>
>
>> Signal is great
>> where we can see it, just needed a good fix for not having to do  
>> the 2 man
>> show all over the county.  (With everyone in a pickup truck  
>> stopping to
>> ask
>> why we're by the road with an antenna)
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Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?

[D. Ryan Spott]

I am seeing requests for PtP connections to connect school buildings  
together. (usually the K20 only connects the district to the net, not  
each school).


I replaced a 128kbps fractional T1 from Verizon with a 3mbps PtP  
connection for the same price.

The school here loves me.. and by working with them I was able to talk  
them out of a 3W amped 2.4Ghz PtP connections between 3 schools in my  
service area. The distance covered would have been less than 3 blocks  
for each of the links.

I sold them 5.8Ghz connections that were very quiet and efficient..  
oh, and they did not blow my WISP out of the water with noise!

I provide service on the wet side of the cascades.

ryan

On Mar 11, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Kevin Owen wrote:

> Yes, we provided service to some WA schools many years ago when K-20  
> was formed.  We still do some redundant service for schools.  The  
> difference is way back when K-20 came along, local ISP's really  
> didn't have much of an ability to compete.  Wireless was new and  
> slow.  It was hard to even compete with T-1's.  That isn't the case  
> now. We can provide more bandwidth, cheaper than the ILEC's can.  It  
> really just seems to be political.  I am looking for a way to show  
> the Legislators that other states have figured a way to work with  
> the local providers.
>
> I heard the WA K-20 network was beginning to struggle.  The Telcos  
> haven't kept up with the bandwidth demand and again, local ISP's are  
> able to deliver more bandwidth, cheaper.  Are you seeing this in  
> your market?  By the way, where are you providing service?
>
> thanks for the reply.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On Behalf Of Ryan Spott
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:34 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
>
> In WA state the K-20 is strictly telco. (Verizon & Qwest).
>
> The WA-K-20 is pretty much a gold standard as far as educational  
> networks
> goes.
>
> ryan
>
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Kevin Owen  wrote:
>
>> The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of  
>> building a
>> Statewide Educational Network.  I am interested in hearing from any  
>> of you
>> are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational  
>> Network
>> and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles
>> services to the schools?
>>
>> Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers,  
>> however,
>> now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given  
>> the
>> opportunity to even bid on the service.
>>
>> Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local  
>> ISP's
>> could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth.  We are  
>> simply told we
>> are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons,  
>> however, the
>> State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are.  The
>> difference in cost per year is in the millions.
>>
>> Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other  
>> states to
>> provide a quality and cost effective network.
>>
>> So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide  
>> educational
>> network?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kevin
>> First Step Internet, LLC
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Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app

[D. Ryan Spott]

Ima gonna tell stevie jobs on you! :)

ryan


On Mar 11, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Sales  wrote:

> Hmm I just goto my iPhones command line via shell and type ssh
>  works like a charm.
>
> John Buwa
> Michiana Wireless,Inc
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Mar 11, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Data Technology  wrote:
>
>> I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an  
>> ssh
>> app for the iPhone.
>> I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need
>> something
>> like because I don't have an iPhone.
>>
>> But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh
>> app.
>>
>> I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it.  I know that
>> $7.99
>> for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I
>> don't
>> mind spending the money.  This also appears to have a vnc client as
>> well.
>>
>> Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP
>> operations would be appreciated.
>>
>> LaRoy McCann
>> Data Technology
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Re: [WISPA] iPhone ssh app

[D. Ryan Spott]

I use touchterm. It does the needfull. :)

ryan



On Mar 11, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Data Technology  wrote:

> I know in the last couple of weeks there was a discussion about an ssh
> app for the iPhone.
> I did not save the emails because I thought I would never need  
> something
> like because I don't have an iPhone.
>
> But, I bought an iPhone last night and now I am looking for an ssh  
> app.
>
> I have found iSSH and the reviews are good about it.  I know that  
> $7.99
> for an app is a lot of money but if this is the one to have then I  
> don't
> mind spending the money.  This also appears to have a vnc client as  
> well.
>
> Any input as far as SSH utilities or any other iPhone apps for WISP
> operations would be appreciated.
>
> LaRoy McCann
> Data Technology
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Re: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios

[D. Ryan Spott]

The TR5a does have DFS. I think Damian Wallace's rant goes like this:
We give the radio to a testing lab, and they do FCC testing.
Then they tell us to listen for some sort of signal... and they give  
us like eleventy-billion signatures to listen for.
Then they take our radio to a secret room and they make sure that  
they shut down when the signatures are presented.
It is a pain in the backside...

Older models of  that were created before DFS was  
required, did not have DFS.  I have some older radios from  that do not have DFS.. However, newer models do,  
and some manufacturers turn DFS on with a firmware update.

ryan


On Mar 11, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Nathan Stooke wrote:

> Hello,
>
>   As far as I know the Tranzeo TR-5A is not approved in the US.  While
> the radio can do it physically it does not have DFS and has not been
> approved for use in the US.
>
>   I hope I am wrong. Any have the FCC doc to show it is OK to use in
> the US?  I have not searched the FCC site for them.
>
>   Thanks
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:14 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 legal ptp radios
>
> I'm trying to compile a list of options for FCC certified 5.4 ptp  
> radios
> for short backhaul links.  Off the top of my head, I can remember:
>
> Tranzeo TR-5A
> Trango TrangoLINK-45
> Radwin 2000 (has mimo as well)
> Motorola PTP 100, 200, 300, 500, 600
>
> Any others I'm not aware of?  Sure would be nice to see more mimo/N
> radios certified in 5.4.  Anyone working through the approval process
> (ligowave?).
>
>
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques

[D. Ryan Spott]

The rule is to never stretch the last 2 winds of the tape as you put  
it on... and ALWAYS *CUT* the tape, never rip it. Ripping implies  
stretching till failure.

I can always tell who rips and who cuts on towers by the number of  
vinyl flags flapping when I climb by other antennas on the tower.

ryan


On Mar 2, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Mike wrote:

> The trick to that is to NOT stretch the last couple wraps on the 33  
> or 88.
> Of course all bets are off if it's really cold.  I keep a roll in my  
> pants
> pocket for cold weather wraps.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:36 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques
>
> Does't the glue on the Super-33 start to fail with time and you end  
> up with
> the end of the tape coming loose and flapping in the wind? That's  
> why I like
> to finish with the rubber tape.
>
> Greg
>
> On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>
>> YES!!! This is how I seal connections, has never failed yet!
>>
>> 1. Tape a layer of Super-33 from the bottom up. Just one layer.
>> 2. Put on a layer of the rubber tape from the bottom up. Just one  
>> layer.
>> 3. Tape another layer up with the Super-33 again. From the bottom  
>> up as
>> well. Just one layer.
>>
>> This system has worked great for 5 years and all my connections have
> always
>> been bone dry when taken apart with a utility knife.
>>
>> One thing I can tell you is it better be bone dry when you put this
> together
>> cause if its not then you just trapped the water in cause nothing is
> getting
>> in or out.
>>
>> I get the rubber tape at True Value hardware stores. Its less then  
>> $4 and
>> does not leave a sticky mess when removed. It has a blue layer  
>> between
>> itself on the role so the rubber does not stick together. Its  
>> always in
> the
>> same area as the electrical tape and electrical supplies. I guess  
>> its used
>> widely by electricians.
>>
>> I showed a Two Way Radio technician that has 30+ years experience  
>> in RF my
>> method and he was very impressed.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
>> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:01 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques
>>
>> Does anyone like the pure rubber self vulcanizing tape over the vinyl
> tape?
>> I like how that doesn't come loose over time.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2010, at 1:29 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>
>>> NS2's and other outdoor radios can take care of themselves. I add a
> little
>> seal around the cable exit on the bottom of the cover. The bullets  
>> make me
> a
>> little nervous - I don't trust the grommet that comes with them - a  
>> little
>> sealer on the back at the cable exit is a good idea.
>>>
>>> This is how I was taught for RF connectors
>>>
>>> 3 layer process:
>>> Layer 1 - 3M Super33 or Super88 electrical tape over the entire
> connection
>> extending 2" past the shrink wrap at both ends
>>> Layer 2 - 3M Mastic 2229 over the electrical tape - squeeze  
>>> repeatedly to
>> conform all of the seams to one contiguous seal
>>> Layer 3 - 3M Super33 or Super88 over the Mastic - this is to keep  
>>> the
>> mastic in place and for UV protection
>>>
>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/aircloud.com/AntennaCoaxSeal#
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS
>>> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:46 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Moisture Abatement Techniques
>>>
>>> Hey All,
>>>
>>> So how do you guys avoid getting water/moisture in your gear?
>>>
>>> I'm going to be standing up a 9 end-point network, with some  
>>> Ubiquiti
>>> (Bullet2, Nanostation) gear, Directional & H-Pol Omni antennas,
>>> Polyphasers, Ethernet Lightning Arrestors, etc,.  I'm not going to  
>>> be
>>> able to travel to the site again in at least a year; its a rainy  
>>> part of
>>> the world, so I'd like to prevent any damage to the gear as much as
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> Anything I should do to prevent moisture from getting into the  
>>> gear? Or
>>> other protective measures... Teflon on the coax connectors,  
>>> Electrical
>>> Tape on the Edges of the gear?  If there was a place I could see  
>>> some
>>> pictures of the implementations that would be good too.
>>>
>>> -Israel
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] bit torrents

[D. Ryan Spott]

I allow it at 4kbps... For the entire network. muhahahahahahah *cough*

But seriously. I have a play nice policy. If someone is affecting  
other users, we call them and ask them to slow down thier up/downloads  
so they don't piss off thier neighbors.

My wife called one of our customers to ask that they stop bittorenting  
so much. The dad said that no-one was torrenting in the house...  
Further investigation showed it was the 13year old son downloading  
movies etc.

He was grounded for the rest of his life... Turns out dad was the  
group program manager for Microsoft's DRM group!  (whoops! We sure  
felt bad)

ryan

On Feb 13, 2010, at 9:54 PM, RickG  wrote:

> Even though our AUP & TOS does not allow it, I have a customer
> demanding to run bit torrents. I want to be fair in all matters. Am I
> being over
> zealous on not allowing torrents? Who here allows or disallows them?
> -RickG
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Re: [WISPA] Packet flux shunt

[D. Ryan Spott]

Backwoodssolar.com

Look under meters.

ryan



On Feb 8, 2010, at 12:42 PM, "Scott Piehn"  wrote:

> I am looking for a shunt to monitor a wind turbine.  that would work  
> with the packet flux product
>
> Turbine is 400w at 12 V so I think I should get a 50Amp one. to 100  
> Millivolt
>
> Can anyone recommend where to buy it
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Insurance

[D. Ryan Spott]

Certificate of insurance.

ryan


On Feb 3, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Robert West wrote:

> I think the technical insurance term for that is "coveringyourass".
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:46 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance
>
> You can have your subcontractors put you on the list of people to  
> update
> with any insurance changes.  This will tell you if their insurance  
> is halted
> because of payment, or whatever.
>
> Can't remember what the word is.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to  
> continue
> that counts."
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Robert West
> wrote:
>
>> Depends on if you are using sub contractors, in house or doing it  
>> all just
>> by yourself.
>>
>> We use a few subs but require that they have insurance of their own  
>> and
>> have
>> to see actually proof AND call the agent to verify.  (Don't ever  
>> take a
>> subs
>> word for insurance coverage because 99.9% of the time, LIE!)  I  
>> actually
>> had
>> to pay for a minor fender bender caused by a sub contractor who had  
>> no
>> insurance even on his truck  Doesn't matter about any signed
>> agreement, the small claims judge still treated it as an employee/ 
>> employer
>> relationship.
>>
>> So make sure it will cover any sub contractor messes.
>>
>> We use a local guy, no big insurance company.  He handles it all  
>> for us
>> through his agency.  Our number one thing was the coverage limit.  1
>> million
>> bucks is cheap enough but if you step back, 1 million bucks pays  
>> how much
>> of
>> some apartment building and contents that burned down because one  
>> of your
>> guys drilled a hole through a gas line or electrical line and was  
>> either
>> too
>> stupid to notice or too scared to tell anyone?
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:27 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Insurance
>>
>> Outside of general liability insurance what insurance are some of you
>> using. Also any recommendations on companies?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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Re: [WISPA] EBS Licensing

[D. Ryan Spott]

Or the cash equivlent?

I can't wait to see what happens in...oh...6 years or so when these  
school boards renegotiate the 10 year subleases of this spectrum.

Could be an interesting and lucrative time for those districts that  
are getting peanuts for rent of thier spectrum.

ryan


On Jan 21, 2010, at 2:17 PM, "Brian Webster"  wrote:

> For digital couldn't they just figure out the capacity of the system,
> provide 5% of that to any and all educational institutions by giving  
> them
> guaranteed capacity that adds up to the 5%?
>
>
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
> Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:03 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] EBS Licensing
>
>
> I need some information as to how Clear (Clearwire) is fulfilling  
> their
> subleasing requirements in the EBS band.
>
> The rules state the following:
>
> 1. There must be a minimum of 20 hours per 6 MHz channel per week of
> educational use of EBS spectrum.
> 2. For analog facilities, EBS licensees must retain a right to  
> recapture
> an additional amount of 20 more hours per channel per week capacity  
> for
> educational purposes.
> 3. For digital facilities, the EBS licensee must reserve at least 5%  
> of
> its transmission capacity for educational purposes.
>
> Can anyone tell me how Clear is fulfilling these rules?
>
> -Eric
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Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt

[D. Ryan Spott]

I leave the head on invade I need to have a light.

Best part is I always have a battery for my drill if I run out of  
juice while driving lags!!

ryan



On Jan 9, 2010, at 4:24 AM, "Eric Rogers"   
wrote:

> We did something similar with the pivot Dewalt flashlight.  Since we  
> use the 18v drills, it worked perfectly.  Took the flashlight part  
> off, and left the handle with the switch.  Connected a cat5 keystone  
> jack...whittled out the hole where the flashlight head used to be.   
> Now we have a handle with a keystone sticking out the top.  If we  
> want to power a Motorola, we use a straight through cable.  If we  
> power Mikrotik, we use a short 2" jumper with a keystone at one end  
> (reverse the power blue/brown pairs) so it is a Male Female  
> extension.  I don't have pictures, but with Moto, just power the  
> unit with headphones for a site-survey...Takes like 10 minutes if  
> that.  Not lugging computers around.  AMAZING!!!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On Behalf Of Ryan Spott
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:04 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
>
> http://tranzeofaq.com/images/site_survey/images/
>
> ryan
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Eje Gustafsson   
> wrote:
>> Look it got my Name on it even... =) Love it...
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:34 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
>>
>> Look at the picture better.  It says patent pending.
>>
>> Zoomed in:
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502-zoom.jpg
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
>> --- Albert Einstein
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Eje Gustafsson > router.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to  
>>> modify for
>>> this
>>> very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD.
>>>
>>> It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One 
>>> + tools
>>> ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool  
>>> new
>>> Ryobi
>>> One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from  
>>> making a
>>> similar for their batteries ;)
>>>
>>> / Eje
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
>>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
>>>
>>> Josh,
>>>
>>> Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested,  
>>> BEFORE
>>> the
>>>
>>> indoor CAT5 is finished.  How did you make the connector that the  
>>> Battery
>>> fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill?
>>>
>>> Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the  
>>> Power
>>> supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp  
>>> junction
>>> box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or  
>>> keep
>>> track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is  
>>> configured for <
>>> 20v, 24V, or 48V.  Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify  
>>> config and
>>> then plug-in.  Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick  
>>> call to
>>> find out, but taht is not always the case.
>>>
>>> Tom DeReggi
>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
>>>
>>>
 Tom,

 Problem solved:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg

 That's a 24v power supply.  Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff  
 (RP) and
 Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi
 wrote:

> What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second
>> Ethernet
> port.
>
> There is good reason for that.
> 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost  
> cases
> 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if
>> serving
> residential.
>
> 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance.
>a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE.
> Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(.
>Its so mu

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

[D. Ryan Spott]

Hi RALPH!

ryan
On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Ralph wrote:

> Go ahead and live the dream then, but please don't homebuild your own
> gear and deploy it in any of my markets. We prefer certified products.
>
> On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:10 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
>
>> You can use MikroTik and be legal.
>>
>> Anyone say any different either don't understand the rules or
>> checked the approved certs or is just spreading FUD.
>>
>> /Eje
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ralph 
>> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Cc: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
>>
>> We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as  
>> injection
>> radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems.  Of
>> course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end
>> performance.
>>
>> Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal.
>>
>> On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu  wrote:
>>
>>> I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs.
>>> Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to
>>> me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and "looks
>>> good on paper" and "hoping" that it will actually work
>>>
>>> Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will
>>> give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 --
>>> but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a
>>> profitable business?
>>>
>>> Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have
>>> had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact
>>> that these systems don't scale
>>>
>>> The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several
>>> thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air
>>> Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million
>>> building out
>>>
>>> It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP
>>> debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was "free"
>>> while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of
>>> tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of
>>> customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on
>>> Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming
>>> team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was
>>> joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot
>>> easier to just buy a Broadsoft)
>>>
>>> I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =)
>>>
>>> -Charles
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

[D. Ryan Spott]

Uh.. Dell GX150 i think? It has a celeron slow as heck processor. I  
found it near a dumpster at some point.

The license cost me $45.

Originally I used it to find the bandwidth hogs, now I control them  
with it.

Wonderful stuff I tell you!

ryan

On Dec 30, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Ugo Bellavance wrote:

> On 2009-12-30 16:38, Ryan Spott wrote:
>>   will get  
>> you
>> started for pennies. Then you can grow from there.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Our firewall is a Pfsense and I think it can do something similar...
>
> What is the hardware required for the above setup?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Being Rude to Customers

[D. Ryan Spott]

HA! I have one better.. I get a VERY timid call from a non-customer in  
my small town

Her: hi, can you help me? Promise you won't laugh?
Me: sure, what do you need?
Her: Can you come by and fix my keyboard on my laptop? It got very wet  
and won't work now...
Me: Did you spill something on it?
Her: Promise not to laugh I have narcolepsy and I passed out on  
the keyboard and filled it with drool...
Me: I promised, but my tongue is bleeding now as I biting it to keep  
from laughing.

Turns out that saliva has some pretty good amounts of salt and sugar  
in it, had to buy a new keyboard from HP and install it for her.

She ended up passing out while driving a few months later.. I had to  
get her desktop background off her machine to print for her husband...  
Nice lady, ran the community.

ryan

On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Robert West wrote:

> I have one customer who burns up laptops.  Not from overheating or  
> whatever,
> but from cigarettes.  She sits in front of the laptop drinking and  
> smoking
> and passes out with the cigarette landing on the keyboard or against  
> the
> screen.  Has killed three in the past 2 years that way.  Sure, we  
> replace
> keyboards and lcd panels but eventually it dies from repeated  
> abuse.  Or
> beer being spilled on it.  Works for "awhile" until it gets fuzzy  
> inside.
> Yuck!
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 3:34 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Being Rude to Customers
>
> Alcoholism is the leading cause of rude customers. Quite a few
> customers on our network have a "do not call after 8:3, 9:30, 10:20AM"
> note because they are totally out of it.
>
> Perfectly polite people before that time.. but after... WOW!
>
> ryan
>
>
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Robert West wrote:
>
>> That's funny because I ended up having a conversation pretty much
>> like that
>> with the wife.  Get a notebook and a pencil, write it down.  I took
>> it upon
>> myself, after call number 5, to try to login to FaceBook with his
>> username
>> and password, password was wrong, reset it, retrieved his email,
>> changed his
>> password...  yada, yada, yada...  (I hate yada, yada, yada, by the
>> way)
>> Wife tells me that she thinks he changed it last night when he was
>> drunk so
>> that she couldn't get on his account.  But after all of that I  
>> hear...
>> "See, I told you it was their fault because he fixed it".  *sigh*  I
>> have to
>> add that they are in their late 60's.
>>
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 3:11 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Being Rude to Customers
>>
>> Send him a gift wrapped notebook and pencil with Merry Chrismyassmas
>> written
>> on it from just-micro.com. Include a note saying, "With this, you
>> should
>> never have a problem with remembering your passwords, if you just
>> use it."
>>
>> Scottie
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Robert West" 
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> Date:  Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:33:43 -0500
>>
>>> Is it okay to say "Merry Chrismyassmas" to a customer who calls you
>>> yelling
>>> because it's your fault he can't remember his Facebook password?
>>> (Somehow
>>> I'm blocking his FaceBook password)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just wondering what my options are
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert West
>>>
>>> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
>>>
>>> 740-335-7020
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Being Rude to Customers

[D. Ryan Spott]

Alcoholism is the leading cause of rude customers. Quite a few  
customers on our network have a "do not call after 8:3, 9:30, 10:20AM"  
note because they are totally out of it.

Perfectly polite people before that time.. but after... WOW!

ryan


On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Robert West wrote:

> That's funny because I ended up having a conversation pretty much  
> like that
> with the wife.  Get a notebook and a pencil, write it down.  I took  
> it upon
> myself, after call number 5, to try to login to FaceBook with his  
> username
> and password, password was wrong, reset it, retrieved his email,  
> changed his
> password...  yada, yada, yada...  (I hate yada, yada, yada, by the  
> way)
> Wife tells me that she thinks he changed it last night when he was  
> drunk so
> that she couldn't get on his account.  But after all of that I hear...
> "See, I told you it was their fault because he fixed it".  *sigh*  I  
> have to
> add that they are in their late 60's.
>
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 3:11 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Being Rude to Customers
>
> Send him a gift wrapped notebook and pencil with Merry Chrismyassmas  
> written
> on it from just-micro.com. Include a note saying, "With this, you  
> should
> never have a problem with remembering your passwords, if you just  
> use it."
>
> Scottie
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Robert West" 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:33:43 -0500
>
>> Is it okay to say "Merry Chrismyassmas" to a customer who calls you  
>> yelling
>> because it's your fault he can't remember his Facebook password?   
>> (Somehow
>> I'm blocking his FaceBook password)
>>
>>
>>
>> Just wondering what my options are
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert West
>>
>> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
>>
>> 740-335-7020
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5

[D. Ryan Spott]

You will have 1 container less to count if the shipment comes in at  
the right time! :)

ryan


On Dec 16, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Eje Gustafsson wrote:

> Yepp that is the shipment with the antennas. I thought the antennas  
> was on
> the shipment we were to receive last week but it's on the shipment  
> that is
> still on its way hopefully should be in no later than next week  
> because we
> want to ship as many out we can before we close for inventory between
> Christmas and new years. Hopefully we will just be closed for no  
> more than 2
> days there but could be longer depending how the count will go.
>
> / Eje
> WISP-Router, Inc.
> Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Scott Piehn
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:51 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5
>
> Any idea if you have antennas on that shipment, the 16-120s in  
> particular
>
> 
> Scott Piehn
> - Original Message -
> From: "Eje Gustafsson" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5
>
>
>> Last weeks shipment is all gone of the NSM5's but another container  
>> is
>> following closely behind hopefully should have it in next week.
>>
>> / Eje
>> WISP-Router, Inc.
>> Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Robert West
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 5:57 PM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5
>>
>> You can check with CTI, I talked to them Monday and they had a few  
>> but had
>> to buy 4 or 5 to get them.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Matt
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:48 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5
>>
>> Anyone have the Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 in stock?
>>
>> Matt
>>
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Re: [WISPA] OT, help with mapping stuff

[D. Ryan Spott]

If Mr Webster does not speak up. Perhaps I can help!

ryan



On Dec 11, 2009, at 2:58 PM, "Marlon K. Schafer"  
 wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'm working on a trail system for our local Chamber of Commerce.  We  
> know
> the routes to be used etc.
>
> I've got a Garmin Etrex Summit and we've used that with TopoUSA to  
> map the
> routes.  I can't seem to figure out how to get that data into a  
> format that
> others can use to download into their own GPS units and come out  
> here to
> follow our routes.
>
> Ideally I'd like to find a way to get the GPS data off of the GPS  
> unit and
> upload that to a file that others could import into their own GPS,  
> Google
> maps, TopoUSA or whatever.
>
> Or, I could draw out the routes on Google maps, but I don't know how  
> to do
> that or to export that data to something others could download.
>
> Anyone here good with such projects?
>
> thanks!
> marlon
>
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Re: [WISPA] Telephones & such. Was:Not About Health Insurance

[D. Ryan Spott]

On some smart-phones you can set them so only the people in your  
address book get CID. Everyone else is blocked.

ryan


On Dec 9, 2009, at 9:59 PM, RickG wrote:

> Yes on VZW. Now that may be the way to go. I tried blocking CID but  
> hated
> that my wife & son didnt know it was me calling. Thanks!
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Patrick Shoemaker <
> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com> wrote:
>
>> If you are using a VZW cell phone, you can disable outgoing CID for  
>> all
>> calls. It can be re-enabled on a per-call basis using *82.
>>
>> Patrick Shoemaker
>> Vector Data Systems LLC
>> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
>> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
>> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>> I won't help you spoof CID but I can help you with the user thing.
>>>
>>> On 12/9/09, Robert West  wrote:
 Or spoof your caller ID to something outrageous like the seafood
>> department
 at Kroger.

 Just a thought.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
 boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:30 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Telephones & such. Was:Not About Health Insurance

 Well, either one of those are good ideas but I'm more in the 11th
 commandment "Thou shalt not hassle". Call me lazy but I make way  
 too
>> many
 calls to add even more digits. I'll go for your second suggestion  
 when I
>> get
 the time. Thanks!

 On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:

> Simply *67 if you call from your cell phone.
>
> Or if you're like me use the remote phone feature.  You use your  
> phone
>> to
> call your work phone, then issue commands to have the work phone  
> call
> someone.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> --- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:31 PM, RickG   
> wrote:
>
>> Ya, I put a stop to that quick.
>>
>> The only number I've ever given is my office number. The bad  
>> thing
>> about
>> caller ID is they collect your cell number when you call them.  
>> To fix
> that,
>> I got a second line and have no voicemail on it.
>>
>> LOL, you can always send them to rejectionhotline.com!
>>
>> -RickG
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>>> wrote:
>>> To your house?  Now that's just creepy.
>>>
>>> What I've always done is given them this number - 9375522343.   
>>> It's a
> DID
>>> on
>>> L3 and routes to our switch.
>>>
>>> The switch and such makes it ring to my user, "Josh Luthman".   
>>> My
>> user
> is
>>> built on a Cisco 79xx phone.  If my phone is OOS it goes  
>>> straight to
 my
>>> cell.  If I don't answer it and I am not on the phone, it auto
 forwards
>> to
>>> my cell.  If I have it on DND straight to VM.
>>>
>>> I tell customers that one number is the only number you need  
>>> is the
> main
>>> number, but if you need me specifically then call 2343 and  
>>> I'll help
> you
>> as
>>> soon as I can.
>>>
>>> On those "special nights" just tap the DND button and I'm
 disconnected.
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
>>> --- Albert Einstein
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM, RickG   
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Every customer had my cell number but it became way too much  
 burden.
 Nothing
 like being interupted while enjoying a movie because theire  
 laptop
> wont
 connect to their wireless router. Oh ya, I even got the  
 proverbial
> "my
 mouse" wont work last week! My greeting even said, "please  
 call the
>>> office"
 but everyone thinks they are special. So, after 5 years, I  
 finally
>>> changed
 my cell number and force them to call into the office. Ah,  
 life is
> sooo
 much
 better! Now, all I have to do is move so they stop coming to my
> house!
 -RickG

 On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Robert West <
>> robert.w...@just-micro.com
> wrote:
> I stated my own business because I wanted a flexible schedule.
>
> Hmm..  180+ hours a week, 6 days officially in the  
> office
> yet
 doing
> installs and such, on Sunday, well.  Hanging sect

Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable

[D. Ryan Spott]

If you are running more than 6-7mbits then use some other splice or  
replace the whole cable.

If you are running less than this, then most any splice will work. :)

ryan



On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:45 PM, "Robert West"   
wrote:

> I think anything you do, as long as the conductors are connected and
> protected from the weather will be fine.  Just keep as many twists  
> in the
> wire as you can.  I've made some pretty nasty splices in the past  
> and they
> all worked perfectly.  I just have a thing about looking  
> professional and
> not like duct tape and twine.  But that stuff works too!
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:40 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable
>
> Ugly isn't an issue as the cable is so short I want dig up a foot of  
> it,
> re-splice it and bury the splice.
>
> Robert West wrote:
>> I've used those 3-m or scotch crimp button connectors before, got a  
>> box of
>> them still in the van.  It's really ugly though and you have to  
>> make sure
>> you keep as many twists in the wire as you can.  But then you still  
>> have
> to
>> seal it all and RTV would be my choice.  If I had to, and if I had  
>> any
>> slack, stick the splice down a short tube of maybe PVC and pump it  
>> full of
>> silicone.  Still an ugly way to go.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Scott Reed
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:19 PM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: [WISPA] Fixing buried cable
>>
>> I have a customer that cut the cat 5 right at the ground in  
>> September.
>> I put a jack at the ground and a plug on the remaining cable and  
>> wrapped
>> it up as well as I could, knowing I would be back. Sure enough,  
>> today I
>> went back to re-fix it in the sleet.  What fun.  I think it is better
>> because I used a cat5 splice device and filled it  with RTV.
>> Anyone have a way to fix a cable that is underground?  I would rather
>> not run a new cable and make her bury another one if there is  
>> another way.
>>
>>
>
> -- 
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> Sr. Systems Engineer
> GAB Midwest
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> Cell: 260-273-7239
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo TR-902 Firmware

[D. Ryan Spott]

Can you be more specific?

ryan



On Dec 1, 2009, at 3:00 PM, "NGL"  wrote:

> Has anyone had problems with the new Firmware  TR6-5.0.2Rt?
> If so what and what is the fix?
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Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

[D. Ryan Spott]

Rick,

Do you provide 100mbps service to consumer level connections via  
wireless links?

If I can get 4-12mbits down a cat3 or telco wire for a home user then  
then I'll probably go for it. ;)

Ryan



On Nov 18, 2009, at 9:06 AM, RickG  wrote:

> Those old phone line units could only do 1Mbps.
> My question was: Can anyone show me reliable equipment that will do  
> 100Mbps+
> on cat 3? Not according to this:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable or my experience. If  
> such an
> animal exists, I could use it, which is why I asked.
> We may be in game of semantics here. Can you get 100Mbps? I suppose  
> a short
> cable on the bench might do it but not in the field reliably. In my
> experience, in order to get a reliable connection over cat 3, I had  
> to lock
> down the switch ports to 10Mbps. I would never claim to know it all  
> but I've
> been around the block a time or two. The windings are to cancel out  
> EMF
> which can cause errors that affect speed due to transmission  
> retries. The
> speed capability of a cable is due to the quality of its wire rating -
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_5_cable and
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_6_cable
> Obviously, by utilizing more that 2 pair, you can do some interesting
> things.
> -RickG
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Robert West  >wrote:
>
>> Phone line is twisted pair and normally 2 pair.  Transmit and  
>> receive.  Can
>> easily do 100mbps.  You could even get it to do gigabit with not much
>> effort.  No PoE though, no pair for that. HOWEVER, the problems  
>> come from
>> the nasty connections everyone including the phone company has  
>> made.  Most
>> phone line isn't "clean" like a network cable you would run.  Who  
>> knows
>> where the hell the splices and rodent chewed ends are at and if  
>> they stick
>> with a common wiring scheme throughout the structure.  If it was  
>> the best
>> option, you could at least test and give up quickly if it fell on  
>> its face.
>>
>> There used to be some home networking nics that used the phone  
>> lines in the
>> home and you could also use the phones with the things connected.   
>> That was
>> in the late 1990's, early 2000.  Some Gateway desktops came with  
>> them.  I
>> never saw them used though.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
>>
>> That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except  
>> references
>> to the standard being 10Mbps:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable
>> Any examples?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Kevin Neal   
>> wrote:
>>
>>> With the right equipment I've heard of gigabit over rusted old  
>>> barbwire!
>>>
>>> -Kevin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM, RickG  wrote:
 100Mbps on cat 3? Really?

 On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy
 wrote:

> We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the  
> house.
> My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the
>> same
> as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone  
> line?
> Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal  
> wiring
>> is
> virtually unused.
>
> Thanks,
> Forbes
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2

[D. Ryan Spott]

I have been hearing 'bout that '1-2 week period' for about 10 weeks now.

Ryan



On Nov 12, 2009, at 3:13 PM, "Robert West"  wrote:

> Wlanparts has it.  I also got an email from Ben over at Ubiquiti who  
> says
> "...the big volumes haven't landed yet...There are some that have  
> hit over
> the past couple of days, but the big volumes will be hitting in that  
> 1-2
> week period."
>
> Bob-
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Nick Olsen
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 5:18 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2
>
> Where from?
> Or was this a case of Nick not being able to detect internet sarcasm.
>
> Nick Olsen
> Brevard Wireless
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
>
> 
>
> From: "Robert West" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:10 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2
>
> The boat has arrived..!  Shesh  I was able to order so
> much
> that now I have to find a way to hide it from the wife.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Data Technology
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:38 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2
>
> I think they need a bigger boat!!
>
> Robert West wrote:
>> Yeah, but I call them by a different name,
>> Microtik411RS2CardPacGridOutdoorEnclosure.   It's gotten to the point
> that
>> my "substitute" for the NS2 has actually become in use more than  
>> what it
> has
>> been substituted for.  *sigh*
>>
>> Word has it they're "on the boat".  Always on the boat.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:25 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2
>>
>> Need NS2's anyone have them?
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> Manager
>> PCS-WIN
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>> Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through  
>> experience
> of
>> trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,
> ambition
>> inspired, and success achieved.
>> - Helen Keller
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing

[D. Ryan Spott]

When I setup metering for the colo I used to work for we bought in  
$15k in overages a month. It was great!

Ryan



On Nov 7, 2009, at 10:59 AM, Scott Reed   
wrote:

> With the proper setup the network complexity does not change.  Why  
> would
> I want to give up additional revenue?
>
> Travis Johnson wrote:
>> 10% of your customers will use 90% of your resources. Direct that 10%
>> customer base to cable or DSL and stop worrying about adding  
>> complexity
>> to your network.
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>> Travis
>> Microserv
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>>> Marlon does this and smiles every time he signs a Bandwidth Hog!
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Eric Rogers
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:56 AM
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>>> Subject: [WISPA] Metered Billing
>>>
>>> We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing  
>>> structure
>>> with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off, but  
>>> they
>>> get charged the overage.  Netflix is getting out of control and I  
>>> don't
>>> want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally.  I think
>>> they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new
>>> applications.  I just want people that download 160 GB in a month,  
>>> when
>>> the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for  
>>> expanding
>>> the network.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were your
>>> customers responses?
>>>
>>> What are your tiers?
>>>
>>> Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send  
>>> out the
>>> letter saying we are doing it and why.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Buffering video.

[D. Ryan Spott]

On Youtube, right click and change the buffer to infinity.

You have to do this for each website. *.youtube.com, *.youporn.com  
etc...

ryan


On Oct 15, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Mike wrote:

> How come the Windows video codecs don't buffer before playing?  If
> youtube videos stutter, I hear about it.  Is there a video buffering
> software you use and recommend?  The algorithm to figure out
> buffering would be trivial. I have speedbit installed but am less  
> than pleased.
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Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40

[D. Ryan Spott]

Ha!

I have a pic of a competitor pointing a 13db 900 MHz panel at my  
gear.  30 feet away at the same colo site!

ryan



On Oct 13, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Jeremy Parr  wrote:

> Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a
> 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to
> be a fun job?
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Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

[D. Ryan Spott]

(below is from )

HCCA: The HCCA works a lot like the PCF: the interval between two  
beacon frames is divided into two periods, the CFP and the CP. During  
the CFP, the Hybrid Coordinator (HC) controls the access to the  
medium. During the CP, all stations function in EDCA. The main  
difference with the PCF is that Traffic Classes (TC) are defined.  
Also, the HC can coordinate the traffic in any fashion it chooses (not  
just round-robin). Moreover, the stations give info about the lengths  
of their queues for each Traffic Class (TC). The HC can use this info  
to give priority to one station over another. Another difference is  
that stations are given a TXOP: they may send multiple packets in a  
row, for a given time period selected by the HC. During the CP, the HC  
allows stations to send data by sending CF-Poll frames.

---

PCF: The original 802.11 MAC defines another coordination function  
called the Point Coordination Function (PCF): this is available only  
in "infrastructure" mode, where stations are connected to the network  
through an Access Point (AP). This mode is optional, and only very few  
APs or Wi-Fi adapters actually implement it. APs send "beacon" frames  
at regular intervals (usually every 0.1 second). Between these beacon  
frames, PCF defines two periods: the Contention Free Period (CFP) and  
the Contention Period (CP). In CP, the DCF is simply used. In CFP, the  
AP sends Contention Free-Poll (CF-Poll) packets to each station, one  
at a time, to give them the right to send a packet. The AP is the  
coordinator. This allows for a better management of the QoS.  
Unfortunately, the PCF has limited support and a number of limitations  
(for example, it does not define classes of traffic).

HCCA is generally considered the most advanced (and complex)  
coordination function. With the HCCA, QoS can be configured with great  
precision. QoS-enabled stations have the ability to request specific  
transmission parameters (data rate, jitter, etc.) which should allow  
advanced applications like VoIP and video streaming to work more  
effectively on a Wi-Fi network.

HCCA support is not mandatory for 802.11e APs. In fact, few (if any)  
APs currently available are enabled for HCCA. The Wi-Fi Alliance has a  
forthcoming certification (WMM Scheduled Access) that will allow  
network integrators to easily distinguish APs that allow HCCA.

---
(below is just from my limited knowlege)

PA: Power Amplifier

---
(below is from 
)

PAPR: Peak to Average Power Ratio; Peak to average power ratio is a  
comparison of the peak power detected over a period of sample time to  
the average power level that occurs over the same time period. SC-FDMA  
has a lower PAPR as compared to other radio channel structures such as  
OFDMA.

---
(below is from  and 
)

EVM: In digital radio applications, error-vector-magnitude (EVM) is  
the primary specification which quantifies the performance of digital  
modulation implemented in silicon.

In production testing of wireless systems, measurement of EVM (a  
critical spec that is directly related to bit error rate) incurs  
significant test time due to the large numbers of symbols that need to  
be transmitted for reasons of accuracy. In our approach, EVM is  
modeled as a function of the system static non-idealities (IQ  
mismatch, gain, IIP3 parameters) and dynamic non-idealities (system  
noise, VCO phase noise). Using a selected subset of the OFDM tones,  
the static parameters are calculated first. These are then used to  
facilitate noise estimation using a back-end constellation  
compensation and noise amplification procedure.

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NOW! with that out of the way, let's all put our guns, arrows,  
cannons, swords, phallic members and the great and powerful REPLY-ALL  
keys () away and THANK the non- 
member/non-usual poster for his time and information!

Lawrence, thanks so much for this posting. A little homework on my/our  
part using  really clued me in on  
some things I have to take into account when doing installs and  
growing my customer base.

And the rest of you! It is Sunday morning, you should all still be in  
your underwear drinking coffee taking a day off! :) Just think of me  
at 4000 feet building a repeater shed as the snow starts to fall  
and have a great day!

ryan


On 

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

[D. Ryan Spott]

Nah, she is not screwed up.

My 6 year old has already told me she wants to 'play antenna' like  
daddy when she grows up.

She also wants to drive the bucket truck as her car when she learns to  
drive!

ryan



On Sep 29, 2009, at 8:14 AM, "St. Louis Broadband"  wrote:

> And the below message proves that my txt skills are off...(however I
> corrected it;)
>
> What really blows my mind is that she does not want "book learning"  
> she
> wants to be an entrepreneur, or a tower climber...I am not sure that  
> she
> know the meaning of either.
> I tell her that is an entrepreneur is job that does not pay too well.
>
> And tower climbing is a cool job but, by State law, cannot text.
>
> Gawd, I screwed her up...lol.
>
> V
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:03 AM
> To: 'Robert West'; 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
>
> Her head start that we figured was going to let her take the lead of  
> the
> pack, came to a slamming halt.
> I am not sure really what it was, but that is when I noticed the txt  
> msg
> addiction.
> And I truly believe it is an addiction, she sleeps with the damn  
> phone next
> to her...
>
> Teenage girls are amazing.
> It really ticks me that she is actually more computer literate than  
> I in
> some applications.
> When I am trying to figure it out, she looks at me like omg...mom is  
> so
> slow.
> She can key over 100wpm and is accurate.
>
> V
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:44 AM
> To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
>
> Oh hell, sounds like my daughter.  Sailed right through school, top  
> of the
> class.  Top 3% in the SATs and now, starting 3rd year in college, she
> finally discovered boys.  The talk with her has moved from school to  
> having
> "boyfriend" injected in every conversation.  And I still have no met  
> him.
> Scary.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:27 AM
> To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
>
> LOL, u assume wrong.  She started junior college when she was 16 and  
> made
> the deans list her first semester J
>
> But now she is 18 and has discovered or been discovered by boys.
>
>
>
> V
>
>
>
> From: Nick Olsen [mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:20 PM
> To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
>
>
>
> Talk about Getting your moneys worth in the "unlimited" text package.
> Without a package its 25 a message, Which would have made your bill  
> your
> standard monthly charge plus $7,625. ".25x30500"
>
> I think the bigger question is. How much time is your daughter wasting
> texting while in school?
> /me assumes shes in highschool at 18 (senior I figure).
>
> Nick Olsen
> Brevard Wireless
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
>
>
>  _
>
> From: "St. Louis Broadband" 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:09 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
>
> I am reviewing my AT&T wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my
> daughter on a family plan.
>
> My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not  
> know that
> she has.
> I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another
> email account.
>
> However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages!
>
> How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone
> keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer?
>
> She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech  
> that I
> am not familiar with.
> Is this a sign of the times or of my age?
>
> I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL  
> annual
> bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps.
> That is when I figured that this industry was going to be  
> profitable...darn
> me for daring to going into fixed wireless.
>
> Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg!
>
> Victoria
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[WISPA] Mountaintop Propane...

[D. Ryan Spott]

Hello,

While this is not necessarily a WISP issue, I would like to lean on the 
experience of the WISPs and wireless operators on these lists.

I am building a new repeater site on the top of a 4K foot peak. I have 
my solar worked out and I am augmenting it with a TEG. The TEG burns 
propane and I have an excellent lead and cost for both the fuel and the 
storage vessel.

However, I have to pipe the propane 200 feet up from the nearest 
location that a tank can be sited to the location of energy use. The 
slope is all "baby-head" sized rock and is 30-35*. My local plumber is 
taking a look at the situation now but I am interested in what all of 
you have seen in your travels.

My plumber is concerned about:
*The pipe shearing off as it is above ground and there is significant 
snow in the winter.
 We plan to run it through some onsite trees along the ridgeline so 
we have some support against shifting snow.
 I plan on pouring footings for supports with rollers for expansion, 
contraction and rubbing against rocks.
*Vandalism and leakage.
 This site is 1000 feet from the nearest 'decent' road. I find that 
vandals, when required to walk... don't.
 If the pipe 'springs a leak' is there some sort of valve I can 
purchase that says: "If flow >X, then shut down!"
My plumber is a Lt in my Fire Dept. so Adapt and Overcome is our common 
mantra.


If any of you have experience with this sort of setup, please, drop me a 
line... pictures are worth thousands of words as well.

Thanks so much,

ryan



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Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik - now Safety First

[D. Ryan Spott]

I think IIFSTA and the NFPA (while gathering lots of $$) helped quite a 
bit more than OSHA. :)

ryan

Forbes Mercy wrote:
> I have to agree here, I've done more tower climbs alone than I should.
> Every time I do I'm filled with the feeling that if I fall no one will
> know until someone comes looking at my remote tower site the next day or
> so.
>
> We all look at OSHA sometimes and think of them as more revenue officers
> than safety officers.  Coming from the Fire Service I think of the
> countless lives of Firefighters that were saved once OSHA found us.
> Sure they seem overly picky and arbitrary but when I hang from my bucket
> truck without a harness or climb a tower alone I can't help but think
> they were written after so many people lost their lives.  This job isn't
> worth my life.
>
> Forbes
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of jp
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:24 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik
>
> You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers. 
>
> Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still 
> a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely 
> could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety 
> guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate 
> insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of
>
> our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively.
>
> That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the
> configuring/testing.
> They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from 
> falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your 
> phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want
>
> to do.
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote:
>   
>> Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but,
>> I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower,
>> 
> by 
>   
>> the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the 
>> adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake.  And after a 
>> 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something
>> 
> that 
>   
>> you would normally catch in an instance.
>>
>> I guess there are pros and cons to both ways.
>>
>> LaRoy
>>
>>
>> Scott Carullo wrote:
>> 
>>> It takes less than one minute to configure an interface?
>>>
>>> Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should
>>>   
> assume 
>   
>>> its the same freq, same power output etc.  I think its actually
>>>   
> better it 
>   
>>> lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement.  My 2
>>>   
> cents
>   
>>> Scott Carullo
>>> Brevard Wireless
>>> 321-205-1100 x102
>>>
>>>  Original Message 
>>>   
>>>   
 From: "Data Technology" 
 Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik

 As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to
 
> reconfigure 
>   
 
 
>>>   
>>>   
 when you change out a card.
 I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS.

 I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that
 
> went 
>   
 
 
>>>   
>>>   
 out.
 This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years.
 I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were
 
>
>   
 passing traffic before I could close the lid.
 This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS.

 Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then.

 LaRoy McCann
 Data Technology
 www.dtisp.com



 
 
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[WISPA] Mountain Top Grounding

[D. Ryan Spott]

I have a site I am putting in on a mountain-top consisting of "stacked  
rocks".  Well, they were stacked by glaciers, Techtonic movements,  
Paul Bunyan etc... Mostly 6"-30" across with bedrock downthere  
somewhere.


Do any of you have a site like this? How did you or the site owner  
ground the site? I don't see grounding rods working really well.

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Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?

[D. Ryan Spott]

Most of the "GPS" capability on cell phones is quasi GPS using cell  
tower locations to give location data.

When there is only 1 cell tower in the area, it is sorta hard to do  
triangulation!

ryan

On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Scott Reed wrote:

> Because 1/2 the cell phones on the planet don't have GPS
> Because not everyone carries a cell phone.
> Because sometimes it may be necessary to have the cell phone to talk  
> on
> while looking at the GPS.
>
>
> Curtis Maurand wrote:
>> Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into  
>> them.
>> I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a  
>> couple of
>> years ago.  iPhones and Blackberry's and Palm Pre's have them and the
>> ability to link them to Google Maps.  Job's done.
>>
>> Why carry a separate GPS?  I don't get it.
>>
>> --Curtis
>>
>> Robert West wrote:
>>
>>> I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit.  It has  
>>> served me
>>> well these past 10 years.  I will certainly miss  
>>> having to
>>> boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD  
>>> laptop
>>> because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that  
>>> USB to
>>> serial adapter is more fun that I could handle  Then hope and  
>>> pray that
>>> the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget  
>>> to check
>>> before I go out  But with that said, I need a  
>>> replacement.
>>>
>>> I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they  
>>> seem to
>>> stress geo-caching and hiking.  If I had time for that, it may get  
>>> my
>>> attention, but I own a small business that I started because I  
>>> needed to be
>>> more flexible with my time.  Working 80 hours+ a week is about as  
>>> flexible
>>> as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high  
>>> on life
>>> sort of living.
>>>
>>> I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged)  
>>> when I drop
>>> it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be  
>>> ruined when
>>> I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just  
>>> happens to
>>> rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the  
>>> two pieces
>>> of information I really desire.  My location coordinates  
>>> and how
>>> high I am.  Someone else can mess with all those other functions,  
>>> I'd have
>>> to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I  
>>> just need to
>>> know where and how high.
>>>
>>> Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit?  (I  
>>> guess I could
>>> have just said one line but it's not as fun)
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Robert West
>>> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

[D. Ryan Spott]

Someone on the list had a story about causing a panic when a screen  
with "you didn't pay your bill" was flashed to an early morning  
employee.

I guess they thought the company was shutting down.

Now the page just says: Please contact us.

ryan


On Aug 12, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Jason Wallace wrote:

> Could someone sue for this?
>
> In a pizza shop in a town I used to live by, there "was a wall of  
> shame" where they posted all
> bounced checks for everyone to see with a little sign at the top  
> that if your check bounced it
> would be posted there until you paid up.  I would never do it, but  
> it was a great incentive!
>
> Jason
>
> Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> Yes, Mike, it isn't the same as sending a letter...even if the  
>> color of
>> the envelope is indicative of some situation.  Nevertheless, the  
>> legal
>> rules are very strict...nobody but the addressee can open it.
>>
>> When you put something on every screen on every PC using a  
>> subscriber's
>> account and reveal any financial matter, especially an embarrassing  
>> one, a
>> "hot head" may, when enraged, do all sorts of things...especially  
>> if the
>> mistake isn't theirs (which is a small but possible event).
>>
>> If you can get the account holder to sign into a Web site with their
>> assigned USERNAME and PASSWORD...that's OK and you can exchange
>> confidential information.  If you can get them to call, that's OK  
>> ("...can
>> I have your name and last 4 digits of your SS#?).
>>
>> Creating a "gated garden" which allows an immediate click-to- 
>> restore but
>> states that a situation exists that requires the account holder to  
>> call a
>> phone number is OK since it doesn't slander the account holder (maybe
>> mistakenly), can verify the account holder, and, if the message  
>> screen is
>> only on port 80 and doesn't stop the VoIP phone from accessing 911,  
>> etc.,
>> there is no jeopardy.  And, that screen can come more and more
>> frequently...maybe every 5 minutes until they call.
>>
>> ...just a further thought.
>>
>> . . . j o n a t h a n
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:27 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect
>>
>> You're correct with the liability thing...  it sucks that people  
>> sue over
>> such petty things.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Jonathan Schmidt" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:38 PM
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect
>>
>>
>>> There is some potential liability in this.
>>>
>>> You don't know if friends are visiting and using the  
>>> computer...or, the
>>> subscriber has an Wi-Fi w/o WAP/WEP and others are (potentially
>>> accidentally) using it.  In any case, you could be slandering the
>>> subscriber by calling them deadbeats to other people.
>>>
>>> It seems more polite to hit them over and over or persistantly  
>>> with a
>>> demand that they contact a phone number to address a problem with  
>>> their
>>> subscription.  It also may stop a law suit...a typical response  
>>> from a
>>> real deadbeat.
>>>
>>> Cutting off the service is an option but it may enrage the person to
>>> "never do business with that company again."  What you need to do is
>>>
>> talk
>>
>>> with them without slandering them.
>>>
>>> ...just a thought...
>>>
>>> . . . J o n a t h a n
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:03 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect
>>>
>>> Well. We kinda do this now. When a customer get to far out. We  
>>> manually
>>> add a rule to the router at the tower site he is connected to that
>>> redirects all his port 80 traffic to a webpage that says  
>>> basically, "You
>>> didn't pay you bill for a long time and you need to contact us and  
>>> make
>>>
>> a
>>
>>> payment to before your web surfing will be available again." Email  
>>> still
>>> works, etc...
>>>
>>> We will still do that. But what I am trying to accomplish is to  
>>> have my
>>> billing system log into the client as soon as is hits 31+ in the  
>>> billing
>>> system and set a rule on the router board that will now occasionally
>>> interrupt the clients web browsing by redirecting them to a page  
>>> letting
>>> them know they are now 31+ past due and offer them the chance to pay
>>>
>> now.
>>
>>> If they chose to not pay now, they can just continue with what  
>>> they were
>>> doing. This way they are always in the "know" that they are behind  
>>> and
>>>
>> are
>>
>>> presented with a way to cure that immediately. Again since the  
>>> client is
>>> not way behind I jus

Re: [WISPA] work order software

[D. Ryan Spott]

zendesk.com

Wonderful. :) Free or really cheap.

ryan


On Aug 10, 2009, at 7:08 PM, RickG wrote:

> Any idea of price? -RickG
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Curtis Maurand  
> wrote:
>>
>> I kind of like this one.
>>
>> http://www.accord5.com/trellis
>>
>>
>>
>> Jason Hensley wrote:
>>> We use Wombat that is built in to Platypus.  Inexpensive is a  
>>> relative term
>>> :-)  For us, it's well worth the $99/mth that we pay for it. For  
>>> others,
>>> that may not be worth it at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of RickG
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:53 AM
>>> To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] work order software
>>>
>>> I'm looking for an inexpensive work order management solution. - 
>>> RickG
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo 900 Latency

[D. Ryan Spott]

Remember that you can do these changes from the command line with Curl!

Use Curl to do something like this:
curl -m 10 -u username:password 
http://1.2.3.4/set_config.cgi?wireless.beacon_period=1000&admin.cmd=store
curl -m 10 -u username:password http://1.2.3.4/set_config.cgi?admin.cmd=reboot

No Curl? Do it by hand? (excel is your friend here to gen up a big  
list of URLs to click.
http://username:passw...@1.2.3.4/set_config.cgi?wireless.beacon_period=1000&admin.cmd=store
http://username:passw...@1.2.3.4/set_config.cgi?admin.cmd=reboot

Wanna verify that everything is cool a few minutes later Run these 3  
lines and then check out test1.txt for the ones you missed.
curl -m 10 -u username:password http://1.2.3.4/download_config.cgi |  
grep device_name >> test1.txt
curl -m 10 -u username:password http://1.2.3.4/download_config.cgi |  
grep net.ip_address >> test1.txt
curl -m 10 -u username:password http://1.2.3.4/download_config.cgi |  
grep wireless.beacon_period >> test1.txt

ryan


On Aug 7, 2009, at 6:45 AM, John Scrivner wrote:

> Thanks for all these good tips. The items below are the things we  
> have tried
> so far with no success. We are using smaller channels, H-pol.  
> Filters have
> not helped the problem, noise floor is actually pretty good, C/I of  
> about 20
> on most CPE.. We are going to try the two setting changes that  
> Daniel and
> Tom advised in other posts relating to beacon and RTS on clients. I  
> will
> report our results.
> Thanks to all!
> Scriv
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 9:33 AM, 3-dB Networks  wrote:
>
>> What does your noise floor look like? C/I?
>> Have you tried moving from H-pol to V-pol and vice versa?
>> Could it be self interference (which I think might be the biggest  
>> problem
>> with 900MHz, at least the possibility of it)?
>> What type of antennas are you using... can you sectorize further or  
>> put
>> higher gain antennas at the clients?
>> Can you add filters possibly to help with the noise?
>> How large are your channels?  Can you use a smaller channel?
>>
>> Assuming your sectors are not overloaded... I would assume  
>> interference
>> too.
>>
>> Now I would pitch Canopy... but I'm sure you don't want to hear  
>> that :-D
>>
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>
>>
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>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of John Scrivner
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:10 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo 900 Latency
>>>
>>> We have a couple of sectors of 900 MHz Tranzeo which were running  
>>> fine
>>> previously but seem to experience enormous latency at times now. I  
>>> am
>>> talking about upwards of 5000 milliseconds (5 full seconds) for a  
>>> return
>>> on
>>> a ping. It is intermittent. I am guessing interference but was  
>>> wondering
>>> if
>>> anyone had seen anything else cause this. We have had limited  
>>> success in
>>> dealing with interference in 900 MHz previously so we are hoping  
>>> there
>>> is
>>> something else we can try before completely bailing on the band in  
>>> those
>>> locations. Any ideas are appreciated.
>>> John Scrivner
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo 900 Latency

[D. Ryan Spott]

They aren't off-list... Are people not seeing me ramble?


ryan

-Original Message-
From: Forbes Mercy 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:23 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo 900 Latency

Hey buddy Its comical to see you replying to Ryan's off-list emails (X3)
to you on-list.  It's like listening to one side of stereo, like a half
duplex conversation, like talking to yourself. :)


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo 900 Latency

Bridged.

Kinda.  We have small sites that are fed via dsl so I guess you'd call
those 
bridged.  Same issues there as on segments that have a few hundred
users.

The funny thing is that the MT gear that goes in usually doubles the
speeds 
and has NO problems with lockups etc.
marlon

- Original Message ----- 
From: "D. Ryan Spott" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo 900 Latency


> Hey Marlon,
>
> Are you totally bridged or are you routed to each Tower?
>
> ryan
>
> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> Most of my tranzeo AP's have had to be replaced due to similar
things. 
>> They
>> started out good, but as people have done more things with the
internet 
>> they
>> are dying.  We're changing them ALL.  The tr6000 and 6600 anyway.
These
>> days they can't seem to handle more than 4 or 5 subs on them.
Sometimes
>> even less.
>>
>> The new firmware fixed the lockups (mostly) but created what you're 
>> seeing
>> here.  Intermittent REALLY slow performance.  Junk.
>>
>> BTW, this happens in places where there is a lot of interference or 
>> nearly
>> none.  No rhyme or reason that I can figure.  Other than the amount
of
>> traffic or maybe threads going through them.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "John Scrivner" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:09 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo 900 Latency
>>
>>
>>
>>> We have a couple of sectors of 900 MHz Tranzeo which were running
fine
>>> previously but seem to experience enormous latency at times now. I
am
>>> talking about upwards of 5000 milliseconds (5 full seconds) for a
return
>>> on
>>> a ping. It is intermittent. I am guessing interference but was
wondering
>>> if
>>> anyone had seen anything else cause this. We have had limited
success in
>>> dealing with interference in 900 MHz previously so we are hoping
there 
>>> is
>>> something else we can try before completely bailing on the band in
those
>>> locations. Any ideas are appreciated.
>>> John Scrivner
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo 900 Latency

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Hey Marlon,

Are you totally bridged or are you routed to each Tower?

ryan

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> Most of my tranzeo AP's have had to be replaced due to similar things.  They 
> started out good, but as people have done more things with the internet they 
> are dying.  We're changing them ALL.  The tr6000 and 6600 anyway.  These 
> days they can't seem to handle more than 4 or 5 subs on them.  Sometimes 
> even less.
>
> The new firmware fixed the lockups (mostly) but created what you're seeing 
> here.  Intermittent REALLY slow performance.  Junk.
>
> BTW, this happens in places where there is a lot of interference or nearly 
> none.  No rhyme or reason that I can figure.  Other than the amount of 
> traffic or maybe threads going through them.
>
> Good luck,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Scrivner" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:09 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo 900 Latency
>
>
>   
>> We have a couple of sectors of 900 MHz Tranzeo which were running fine
>> previously but seem to experience enormous latency at times now. I am
>> talking about upwards of 5000 milliseconds (5 full seconds) for a return 
>> on
>> a ping. It is intermittent. I am guessing interference but was wondering 
>> if
>> anyone had seen anything else cause this. We have had limited success in
>> dealing with interference in 900 MHz previously so we are hoping there is
>> something else we can try before completely bailing on the band in those
>> locations. Any ideas are appreciated.
>> John Scrivner
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Locations

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Hrm... Wifi for tugboat operators...

ryan

-Original Message-
From: Blake Bowers 
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:28 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Locations

I have nothing to do with these towers - I have been offered them a couple 
of times, but they are not cellular capable so
they don't really fit into a tower companies plans.  They are all Rohn 45 
and 55 with the exception of the NOLA tower.

They were put up for a two way radio system covering those navigable 
waterways for tugboat communications.

Just over a million and you could own all of them.


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  LA New Orleans Jefferson Parish 29 56' 42 90 10' 30.2 295'
  MN Ridgeway Winona 43 57' 10 91 36' 04 350'
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  MS Bay St. Louis Harrison 30 26' 44 89 18' 08 350'
  MS Commerce Desoto 34 51' 38.8 90 10' 52.3 295'
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  MS Oak Ridge Warren 32 28' 47 90 42' 44.7 295'
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  OH Arabia Lawrence 38 38' 27 82 24' 37 295'
  OH Bashan Meigs 39 03' 21 81 49' 53 295'
  OH Neel Adams 38 46' 23 83 38' 55 295'
  OH New Metamoras Monroe 39 34' 45 81 05' 03.5 295'
  OH Shadyside Belmont 39 58' 49 80 49' 05.5 295'
  TN Fulton Lauderdale 35 37' 32.1 89 51' 23.6 190'
  TN Hickman Obion 36 29' 35 89 16' 18 295'
  TX Port O'Conner Calhoun 28 33' 08.5 96 36' 31 295'
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Re: [WISPA] NCIC, FIPS, and wireless

[D. Ryan Spott]

I provide some service to the local PD. You provide transport, and transport 
only. The PD and their IT guys should do all of the encryption... You REALLY 
don't want to be responsible for the security of their data. 

Does the telco provide encryption? No way.. Easy and cheap to do, but the risk!

If you are the contracted IT guy then do it as a separate part of the 
contract.. Then have a third party certify your system. The higher up LEO will 
probably do this for you. (sheriff or state patrol)

Hope this helps,

ryan

ryan

-Original Message-
From: Jon Auer 
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] NCIC, FIPS, and wireless

In our area the police use EVDO broadband cards over the open internet.
Access to their network is over a IPSEC VPN.
Not sure if that is technically in compliance or not but they have
been running like that for over a year.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Rogelio wrote:
> I'm planning out a wireless network, and the police want a piece of the
> action.
>
> I'm also guessing that FIPS compliancy addresses NCIC concerns, and I
> was wondering if anyone could comment on that being sufficient.
>
> I'm also wondering if a dual form of authentication adequately addresses
> the security issues. From what I can tell, if the police do any of the
> following things (listed in the URL below), then they have to follow NCIC
>
> http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/ncic.htm
>
> A contact of mine who works for the police tells me the following
> interesting things about NCIC, which I'd love feedback on...
>
> --if you use PtP links (e.g. T1 lines) between sites, requirements are
> very lax
> --if you don't use PtP links, then you'll likely need two form
> authentication (not necessarily two on separate bands)
> --everyone assumes that a police network *will* be in compliance
> --people often build police networks with compliance, as someone will
> inevitably put secure stuff on top of it later
> --the penalty for not being compliant is getting shut down until
> everything is reviewed
> --only police departments can ask the DOJ for clarification on what is
> and isn't compliant (vendors can't ask directly)
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Re: [WISPA] FW: Introducing Bullet M: 100+Mbps Real TCP/IP Throughput

[D. Ryan Spott]

A vendor local to me lamented that he had JUST bought several cases of  
ns2 and right when he recieved the often delayed for manufacturing  
shipment... They released the pico bullet etc line so all of his  
inbound sales calls were 'hey! Do you have any poco bullets etc in  
stock?'

Why doesn't ubnt distribute into the channel secretly first THEN  
announce the product so you can... You know Buy the product.

ryan


On Jul 21, 2009, at 3:14 PM, Michael Baird  wrote:

> Ubiquiti does release product with zero stock. They take orders from
> their resellers after the announcement, and fill them in batches.  
> Right
> now Bullet2HP's and Loco's are hard to find for example. They
> essentially don't manufacture product until it's sold.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>> I was looking at it myself.  Everyone is negative stock-wise.  At  
>> least
>> that's what I see.  Just like Ubiquiti to release a product with  
>> zero stock.
>>
>> Darn good products but I swear, they must have got their marketing  
>> ideas
>> from the Nintendo, PlayStation and McRib sandwich.  Create a demand  
>> by
>> having your products available sporadically.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Cameron Kilton
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 5:34 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] FW: Introducing Bullet M: 100+Mbps Real TCP/IP  
>> Throughput
>>
>>  
>> 
>> If you're having trouble viewing this email, you may see it online
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>> Anybody heard anything about this yet or where you can get to try?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Cam
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ubiquiti Networks Inc. [mailto:sa...@ubnt.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:06 PM
>> To: c...@midcoast.com
>> Subject: Introducing Bullet M: 100+Mbps Real TCP/IP Throughput
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > t.com> Ubiquiti Home Page
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>>   > >
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>> > t.com/company> Company
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>> > t.com/products> Products
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>> > t.com/purchase> Purchase
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>>   > >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Introducting Bullet M
>> > let.gif>
>>
>> 100+Mbps Real TCP/IP Throughput over multi-km links
>>
>> AirView
>> 
>>
>> Introducing the revolutionary 802.11n based Bullet M. Available in
>> 2.4GHz (Bullet M2 HP) and 5GHz (Bullet M5 HP) versions.
>>
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>> > t.com/products/bulletm.php> Read More
>> > m/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43290> Discuss
>>
>> HiPower, Long-Range
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>> gif>
>>
>> XR1 
>>
>> With up to 600mW of power and enhanced receiver design, the Bullet  
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>>
>>
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>>
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>> > o.gif>
>>
>> XR1 
>>
>> No host boards, no mini-PCI Cards, no cables, no assembly. With the
>> Bullet, operators can just plug and go.
>>
>>
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>> > t.com/forum/> Discuss
>>
>> 100Mbps+ Speed with no Special Antenna Required
>> > .
>> gif>
>>
>> SR71-X, 802.11n Xpress Card
>> 
>>
>> The Bullet M series can be paired with any antenna to deliver  
>> 100Mbps+
>> of real TCP/IP speed o

Re: [WISPA] 802.11 CPE's

[D. Ryan Spott]

As a WISPA member I suggest a WISPA vendor:  that sells FCC Cert-ed systems.

I think WISPA members get a discount... But I am not sure.

ryan


On Jul 20, 2009, at 3:09 PM, Mike wrote:

> Looking for a good MT vendor.  The fellow I've been trying to work
> with has gone AWOL.  I need to get a link going for a community
> project pretty quickly.
>
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Re: [WISPA] 802.11 CPE's

[D. Ryan Spott]

OH. Yeah.. the APs based on the CPEs are NOT to be used for more than  
15-20 clients. I have NO experience with their linux based APs.

ryan


On Jul 20, 2009, at 5:23 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

> Thry make great CPE's, I have about 350 in the air, don't like their  
> AP's at
> all though, am using Star or MT for AP's and they are solid.
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:57 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 802.11 CPE's
>
> One thing is for sure..Tranzeo is pretty solid once you get them in  
> place.
>
> On 7/19/09, D. Ryan Spott  wrote:
>> Tranzeo CPQ19?
>>
>> They are not bad... really! I have several hundred in the air.
>>
>>
>> ryan
>>
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Jason Wallace wrote:
>>
>>> Everyone,
>>>
>>>   Any recommendations on an FCC CERTIFIED 802.11 cpe that has a
>>> higher
>>> gain than Deliberant''s 15dbi?  I really liked Deliberant's 19 dbi's
>>> but
>>> they are gone...
>>>
>>> Jason
>>> Integrity Internet
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Re: [WISPA] 802.11 CPE's

[D. Ryan Spott]

Tranzeo CPQ19?

They are not bad... really! I have several hundred in the air.


ryan


On Jul 18, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Jason Wallace wrote:

> Everyone,
>
>Any recommendations on an FCC CERTIFIED 802.11 cpe that has a  
> higher
> gain than Deliberant''s 15dbi?  I really liked Deliberant's 19 dbi's  
> but
> they are gone...
>
> Jason
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Re: [WISPA] OT Hotmail email black hole

[D. Ryan Spott]

Can you give more detail as to what requirements were placed on you?

With more details I might be able to help you. I was tier-4 at 
MSN/Hotmail/Passport for a bit. (these services are now called Live, or 
Bing, or whatever they call them this week!)

ryan

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Hotmail has put us on some kind of black list.  Messages from my servers to 
> anyone with a hotmail (or affiliate) address is being sent into oblivion.
>
> Contacting Hotmail has been nearly useless.  They've simply told me to go 
> join a special program that they have and that'll get my system ok'd again.
>
> Sorry, but I'm NOT giving them customer information or money in order to fix 
> this.
>
> Does anyone know anyone that doesn't have his head up his wazzoo at that 
> org?  Anyone else been successful at getting off of the black list there?
>
> Thanks,
> marlon
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Re: [WISPA] residential repeater site contract

[D. Ryan Spott]

My repeater contact is simple.

If un-served-behind-the-big-rock-customer (USBTBR) wants service, they 
need to talk to their neighbor about it.  If they establish some sort 
dialog, then the house-with-service-customer (HWSC) calls me to tell me 
it is OK. I find that this makes it a community/neighbor issue and 
really cuts down on "you have been on my roof for a year with 3 
customers, I want $5K a month rent now" sorts of calls).

I give a $5 per month discount to the HWSC for the first USBTBRr they 
repeat to. After the second USBTBR is using the repeater, the 
house-with-service customer is no longer billed. We usually don't even 
tell them we stopped billing them. They call us after a month or 4 and 
ask us why there have been no debits. Then we tell them. :)

Because there is:
a financial incentive (free or reduced cost service and See's Chocolate 
delivered by my daughter during the holidays),
a broadband incentive (I usually put these people on my 5.8Ghz backbone),
and a good neighbor incentive (some USBTBR have mowed the 
house-with-service-customer's lawns, baked pies etc)
We often get house-with-service-customers giving us access to their 
backup generators, rebooting our equipment for us etc.

Some things I have learned:
1. NEVER tell the USBTBR that the house-with-service-customer is getting 
free or reduced cost service.
2. If you PoE is inside the HWSC home, install some sort of 
female-female coupler in a weather resistant box at ground level so you 
can come onto the property for reboots without entering the house or 
climbing on the roof.
3. Never tell the USBTBR that this reboot device exists, but let the 
HWSC know it is there and let them tell the others if they wish. This 
reduces all of the neighbors coming across the lawn to reboot what they 
think is a bad repeater. The HWSC will generally let one or 2 trusted 
neighbors know the reboot thing is there.
4. Keep the roof traffic down to a minimum. Asphalt shingles begin to 
wear out after a while causing concern with residential owners.
5. Keep the truck traffic down to daylight hours and tell the HWSC that 
you won't even knock on their door and disturb them if you are just 
coming for a reboot or quick service call. Of course, a few of my HWSC 
DO want me to tell them I am there, and I do.
6. Establish with your USBTBRs FIRST OFF that they are behind a repeater 
that is there due to the good graces of the HWSC. Therefore, if service 
drops in the middle of the nigh, you are not going to wake someone up to 
do a reboot, nor are you going to risk getting shot running to that 
person's house to reboot the repeater.


ryan

Josh Luthman wrote:
> Thank you for sharing, Rick!
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>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:22 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>   
>> Attached...RickG
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:39 PM, sa...@jeffcosoho.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Anyone have a contract they could share for this?
>>>
>>> Thanx
>>> Jim
>>>
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[WISPA] Looking for service on Tonganoxie Rd, Leavenworth, KS 66048

[D. Ryan Spott]

Looking for service in this area:



Does anyone service this area outside of Leavenworth/Lansing?

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Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

[D. Ryan Spott]

Do you have any ethreal data you can share?

ryan

Steve Smith wrote:
> In our case we are using staros APs.  We like to have the CPE set to 
> router mode so we don't have to deal with any of the client equipment 
> on their side of our unit at their place.  That way we don't care if 
> they change out a piece of equipment. 
>
> We are having no problem with any Tranzeo equipment that is set to 
> bridge mode.  We love the Tranzeo CPQs.  Our problems are when the 
> CPQs are in router mode.  There is a definite problem that we can 
> replicate 100% of the time.
>
> We have eliminated all of the causes of the problem with the exception 
> of the Tranzeo CPQ. 
>
> All units have 4.0.2 and we do not believe the problem is with an 
> upgrade in the firmware because we can replicate the problem in 
> version 3.6.7 as well.
>
> I just moved one client today that was in router mode back to bridge 
> mode because they couldn't do their UPS shipping until we did.  
> Apparently, we may need to move all of them to bridge mode but with 
> hundreds of units out there I really don't like that idea.
>
> steve
>
>
>
> D. Ryan Spott wrote:
>> Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP 
>> is the way to go.
>>
>> Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending 
>> and receiving wireless data.
>>
>> ryan
>>
>> Rick Kunze wrote:
>>   
>>> I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or 
>>> so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years.
>>>
>>> I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic 
>>> as mentioned in the thread.  I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a 
>>> couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode.  No calls 
>>> from any customers . . . everything seems normal.
>>>
>>> IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine.  All AP's however are bridged in 
>>> my case.
>>>
>>> Rk
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Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

[D. Ryan Spott]

Right! At every location is GREAT! but if you have 3 APs at the top of a 
tower, you don't route on each AP, you route at the bottom of the tower 
right?

ryan

Mike Hammett wrote:
> I route at every device.  ;-)  Well, at least at every location.
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> From: "D. Ryan Spott" 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 1:38 PM
> To: ; "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
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>   
>> Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP
>> is the way to go.
>>
>> Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending
>> and receiving wireless data.
>>
>> ryan
>>
>> Rick Kunze wrote:
>> 
>>> I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or
>>> so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years.
>>>
>>> I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic
>>> as mentioned in the thread.  I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a
>>> couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode.  No calls
>>> from any customers . . . everything seems normal.
>>>
>>> IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine.  All AP's however are bridged in
>>> my case.
>>>
>>> Rk
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

[D. Ryan Spott]

Why you would route AT the AP boggles my mind... Routing Before the AP 
is the way to go.

Why add additional load on an AP when it should be working on sending 
and receiving wireless data.

ryan

Rick Kunze wrote:
> I've got about 50 or 60 CPQ's and SL2's out there, as well as a dozen or 
> so 6000's, some for up to 4 or 5 years.
>
> I've never had a single problem with any of them failing to pass traffic 
> as mentioned in the thread.  I just upgraded one small town to 4.0.2, a 
> couple 6000's and a couple dozen CPE's in router/NAT mode.  No calls 
> from any customers . . . everything seems normal.
>
> IMO, the Tranzeo stuff has been fine.  All AP's however are bridged in 
> my case.
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Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

[D. Ryan Spott]

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> "Tranzeo informed me yesterday that they will not support Mikrotik related
> problems."
>   
Dude, I have this network problem, on my network, and because you are on 
this list, I want you to fix it for me... at your cost. OH! and it 
requires replacing a tower, please pay for the Time, materials and labor 
to do this. OH! and I am your direct competitor. THEN, after you fix MY 
problem on YOUR dime/time, I'll put out a press release that says that 
you were not doing things right in the first place and it was your fault.

Really, do you expect Tranzeo to set aside some engineering types to 
this issue, then send Mtik the solution so they can fix the problem and 
then they slap them in the face with "What's new in 3.15: added 
workaround for non-standards compliant CPE with timestamp issue"


> HA! This is funny because back in the Tranzeo/MT disconnect days of last
> summer wasn't the problem traced to Tranzeo firmware not following 802.11
> spec? And tranzeo still wouldn't fix it so Mikrotik jumped in and saved us
> all from Tranzeo's problem
>   
Not so fast! :)

> We (Tranzeo and I, mostly Damian) opened a ticket with Mtik
> (Ticket#2008091666000531):
>
> Tranzeo laid out a packet sniff from Network Instruments
> Wireless Observer along with my wireshark packet sniff
> showing in brief that the Mtik AP was throwing out random
> zeros in it's beacon frame timestamp. They stated that
> when a zero is recieved, the CPE are to assume that there
> is a change in the settings of the wireless AP and they
> should disconnect and reaquire. (think of this as an
> INSTANT change from 802.11b to 802.11b/g and all your
> clients disconnect and reconnect, because, well, there is
> a change in the AP's capabilities. This is reasonable
> reaction to a notification of a change of settings.
>
> Mtik replied with IEEE Std 802.11-2007 section 11.1.1.1
> (located here if you have trouble sleeping:
> (http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/download/802.11-2007.pdf 
> *YAWN*
> let me tell you, this explains why wireless engineers are
> who they are.. whoa!) Mtik continued and said that the
> wording of this standard allowed for a timestamp of zero
> sent from the AP and basically the CPE should deal with it
> and play through.
>
> Damian learned some Latvian so he could swear in a
> diffrent language than Canadian. Honestly, he likes to be
> legal in APs etc and just cannot see why us ULS users
> would flaunt the FCC _and_ put up with these Mtik bugs. I
> mentioned something under my breath regarding CPQs and
> firware updates about 3 years ago... 
>
> The nice gentleman engineer at Tranzeo placed some virtual
> CPE on a bench facing a Mtik AP and was able to reproduce
> the issue. He then released to me some very alpha firmware
> that would email him with a warning whenever a CPQ saw a
> zero frame. This alpha software would also IGNORE this
> frame and keep on trucking. This alpha firmware was given
> with the stern warning that if I changed ANYTHING on the
> AP I would have to really recycle it to make all the CPE
> realize there was a change. This poor engineer was
> probably overwhelmed when I installed this firmware on 110
> CPQs in about an hour. I watched the log file generated by
> these emails and the events had to be happening in the
> hundreds per hour.
>
> Mtik was silent so I poked Uldis a bit with a comment
> about silence from Latvia and no National holidays I could
> see along with: 
>
> While there is no specific _requirement_ to treat Zero
> as a reset, _most_ wireless CPE (including yours!)
> consider this to be a flag to reset.  If you don't
> then when the card is reset, the client will ignore
> all of the changes until the time stamp > the last one.
> This is the same as driving on the right side of the
> road. There is no _LAW_ saying you should do so, but
> you do because everyone else does! Perhaps there is a
> reason to drive on the left but not in this case! :)
>
> I even showed Mtik support that even THIER Mtik brand
> CPE were disconnecting in some instances!
>
> Mtik replied with a bit of beta software that seems to
> have helped. It is posted to the forum and only need be
> installed on APs. (remember CPE don't give out timestamps)
> This is the sec

Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

[D. Ryan Spott]

Kevin Lamothe wrote:
> We've had other issues with the latest firmware, we mostly use Cisco 
> APs, after a fw 4.0.2 radio associates, it will take anywhere from 2-10 
> minutes before the radio can pass any traffic, this issue wasn't present 
> in 3.6.7.
>
> Their new management VLAN tagging feature only works with Tranzeo APs, 
> it will ignore any tagged VLANS packets from Cisco or StarOS APs
>
> I never got anywhere with tech support and they ended up just closing 
> the ticket.
>   
Do you have a ticket number?

ryan
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>   
>> I thought I mentioned that all AP's are Mikrotik v3.15. I gave up on the
>> Tranzeo AP's a LONG time ago Best decision I ever made.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>  
>>  
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:38 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Cc: Brent Thrift
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
>>
>> Kurt, do yourself a favor and just drop the Tranzeo ap's.  The 6000 and 6600
>>
>> units that I use absolutely suck.  The 4.0.2 firmware helped quite a bit 
>> with the lock up issues, but now the speeds suck.
>>
>> I've gotten rid of almost all of them in favor of MT APs.  Life is soo 
>> good now!
>>
>> It wouldn't be so bad if the factory didn't try to dodge these problems.  If
>>
>> they can't duplicate the issue send someone out to those of us that can! 
>> This run around crap is costing far more money than anyone seems to believe.
>>
>> There's no way I'm gonna even try a Tranzeo 3650 product or anything else 
>> that requires that I rely on them.
>>
>> Good luck.
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:27 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> All was running fine on our CPE's running version 3.6.7 and did the 
>>> upgrade
>>> to version 4.0.2. Now every CPE that is running in router mode doing NAT
>>> will randomly not pass new traffic. Example: running a constant ping to 
>>> the
>>> AP all of the sudden will start dropping pings. But the funny thing is 
>>> that
>>> if you are doing a download the download will not be interrupted at all. 
>>> Try
>>> to check email or bring up a new page and nothing. After a while the pings
>>> will start replying and then normal surfing will resume.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This problem took forever to diagnose and finally narrowed it down to the
>>> new 4.0.2 Tranzeo firmware running on CPQ's and SL2's only while doing 
>>> NAT.
>>> The temporary fix for clients that have noticed the problem is to set the
>>> Tranzeo back up into bridge mode. Once in bridge mode all problems go 
>>> away.
>>> All access points are Mikrotik based running 3.15 firmware. This problem
>>> does not happen on a Mikrotik based CPE doing NAT.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Been emailing Tranzeo tech support for over a week and they are again
>>> playing the blame game and pointing the finger at Mikrotik telling me that
>>> Mikrotik doesn't do double NAT even though double NAT has been working 
>>> fine
>>> for the past 5 years until now. Running NAT on the CPE side and then on 
>>> the
>>> core router.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can anyone else verify this as Tranzeo claims that they can not reproduce 
>>> in
>>> the lab.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> 419-562-6405
>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>>   
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Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???

[D. Ryan Spott]

http://www.tranzeofaq.com/oct102008.html

ryan

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> Well I thought that it happened this way, I may be wrong,
>
> - Tranzeo didn't want to look at the problem and somebody on the list did
> some packet sniffing and the Tranzeo's were randomly sending a bunch of
> "0o0o0o0o0's" and the Mikrotik didn't know how to interpret that so it
> dropped all the clients and started over. The random "0's" was not supposed
> to be in the 802.11 spec and I think that Mikrotik did a work around that
> ignored them. 
>
>
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>  
>  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 1:10 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
>
> Wasn't Tranzeo that diagnosed the disconnect problem?
>
> On 6/9/09, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>   
>> Marlon,
>>
>> I would stongly advise against doing any firmware upgrades to 4.0.2 for
>> 
> the
>   
>> sake of your customers. We almost lost ours last year with the Tranzeo
>> re-asocciation issues last time around
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:30 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
>>
>> H, I've not upgraded many of the CPQ's to 4.0.2.  I've not noticed
>> 
> what
>   
>> you're talking about.  I tend to only update firmware when something's not
>> working though, so I may not have noticed for a while.
>>
>> laters,
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
>>
>>
>> 
>>> I thought I mentioned that all AP's are Mikrotik v3.15. I gave up on the
>>> Tranzeo AP's a LONG time ago Best decision I ever made.
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> 419-562-6405
>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:38 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Cc: Brent Thrift
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
>>>
>>> Kurt, do yourself a favor and just drop the Tranzeo ap's.  The 6000 and
>>> 6600
>>>
>>> units that I use absolutely suck.  The 4.0.2 firmware helped quite a bit
>>> with the lock up issues, but now the speeds suck.
>>>
>>> I've gotten rid of almost all of them in favor of MT APs.  Life is
>>>   
> soo
>   
>>> good now!
>>>
>>> It wouldn't be so bad if the factory didn't try to dodge these problems.
>>> If
>>>
>>> they can't duplicate the issue send someone out to those of us that can!
>>> This run around crap is costing far more money than anyone seems to
>>> believe.
>>>
>>> There's no way I'm gonna even try a Tranzeo 3650 product or anything else
>>> that requires that I rely on them.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:27 PM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Latest Tranzeo Firmware = Broken NAT ???
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 All was running fine on our CPE's running version 3.6.7 and did the
 upgrade
 to version 4.0.2. Now every CPE that is running in router mode doing NAT
 will randomly not pass new traffic. Example: running a constant ping to
 the
 AP all of the sudden will start dropping pings. But the funny thing is
 that
 if you are doing a download the download will not be interrupted at all.
 Try
 to check email or bring up a new page and nothing. After a while the
 pings
 will start replying and then normal surfing will resume.



 This problem took forever to diagnose and finally narrowed it down to
 
> the
>   
 new 4.0.2 Tranzeo firmware running on CPQ's and SL2's only while doing
 NAT.
 The temporary fix for clients that have noticed the problem is to set
 
> the
>   
 Tranzeo back up into bridge mode. Once in bridge mode all problems go
 away.
 All access points are Mikrotik based running 3.15 firmware. This problem
 does not happen on a Mikrotik based CPE doing NAT.



 Been emailing Tranzeo tech support for over a week and they are again
 playing the blame game and pointing the finger at Mikrotik telling me
 that
 Mikrotik doesn't do double NAT even though double NAT has been working
 fine
 for the past 5 years until now. Running