Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP

[Pete Davis - NoDial.net]

If you have a competitor on a nearby tower who is uncooperative with you 
on channel coordination or whatever, I could see this as a way to "goof 
with" your competitor, by having his clients associate with you instead, 
and flood their technical support lines with calls. Having the virtual 
AP only run from 3:30pm to 4:30pm every other Monday could really make 
things fun for them to figure out.


Thats a mean thing to do, and I would never recommend that anyone do 
unto others as they wouldn't have done to them.


If a competitor goes broke and pulls the plug on his AP, this could 
REALLY be benificial, as you could advertise on the hotspot signin 
screen that there will be no setup fee for former brandX clients.


If you turn on universal client, you might pick up a customer who sees 
your tower better than your competitor. About as underhanded and 
unethical as callforwarding his sales line to yours, but ....


Pete Davis
NoDial.net



John Scrivner wrote:

Short of frustrating potential customers I cannot fathom what positive 
effect this process has. Please enlighten me how this is a good thing 
to do.

Scriv


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

I do that too, 3 competitors have towers all within ¼ mile of each 
other, I put their ssid in my AP but turn the broadcast off, their 
clients associate to me and I deny all their access so when they try 
to hook up customers it looks like their connected but they cant 
figure out why it doesn’t work, keeps them from signing up clients in 
my area.


Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

114 S. Walnut St.

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

www.wavelinc.com

-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rick Smith

*Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:12 AM
*To:* 'WISPA General List'
*Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP

actually, I was kidding about the competitor thing, wanted to see if 
it'd start a fire. It's something I'd thought of, but you can't route 
based on Virtual AP SSID


Having an invididual hotspot page per virtual SSID would be cool, on 
a wholesale level...




*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed

*Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:44 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP

What happens when a potential customer sees the competition's name? 
They call the competitor who says, "We don't do that." Then what, do 
you get called by the competitor?
I guess my question is, how does advertising the competitor's name 
help you?


I like the wholesale idea though. I may have to pursue that in the 
future.


Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
www.nwwnet.net <http://www.nwwnet.net/>

The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, 
because

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*-- Original Message ---*
From: Rick Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:15:08 -0500
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP

Yep, I create virtual SSIDs for all my competitors names (they only 


do DSL) :)



I also wholesale service off one of my towers via 2.4 and 900 mhz to 


a local computer guy that likes to see his name "in the air" -


the virtual SSID thing was a natural win...

Not sure about the broadcast thing...haven't seen a performance hit 


because of the virtual ssid's ...


R

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


On Behalf Of Pete Davis


Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:57 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Virtual AP

Mikrotik APs have the capability to create a "Virtual AP" with a 


secondary SSID, but I haven't found much documentation about it.



Has anyone used this feature much? I could see this being useful 


during a transitional period, while you are changing the SSID, so


you can access the CPE with the "old" ssid.
I could also see this being useful for colocating two companies on 


the same tower/AP, like if you have an ISP geared toward

residential service, and another company name/marketing scheme for 


business customers.

I don't know what kind of performance impact there is when you create 


a bunch of APs on one radio.



I had a wierd thought about this, however: If I have 40 clients on an 


AP, and set up 40 "virtual AP's" on the network with each

client on his own SSID, do they count as 40 PTP links, allowing me to 


kick up the antenna gain like with the CPE?



Does the virtual AP really broadcast a secondary SSID, or does it 


switch between the two rapidly, kind of like a poor man's Time


Division Multiplexing.

Pete Davis
NoDial.net
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals Prototype902-928MHzMini-PCICard

[Pete Davis. NoDial.net]

With all of the current 900mhz AP's and CPE out there currently a 
closed/proprietary system (not an 802.x "open" standard) for the 
handshaking, security, ack/nack, etc, I am curious if/how Mikrotik, 
StarOS, Windows, or  whoever will talk to them. Has all of that 
programming been worked out? They won't actually be able to associate 
with an existing Waverider, Proxim, Trango, Tranzeo, or Alvarion, or 
whatever AP/CPE will they? I would assume not.
I would love to deploy a 900Mhz system where I am not locked into a 
single source hardware providor. Open standards avoid things like 
getting stuck with things like Karlnet or whoever when they go out of 
business. If Mikrotik were to make a proprietary standard, it would be a 
shame (although waiting on IEEE might not be effective/appropriate), but 
Mikrotik is not going anywhere IMO, and its affordable enough.


pd


Eje Gustafsson wrote:


They just finished their 6th prototype and found out some issues with the
current Atheros chipsets in regards to adjustable frequency selection. They
are looking at making a new prototype with the latest chipset. The cards
where not estimated to be available and ready until around Jan/Feb and more
then likely your not going to see any cards until Feb at this point since
they have to redesign them a bit. But it's all for the better. 


/ Eje
WISP-Router, Inc
Ubiquiti Distributor

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:32 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals
Prototype902-928MHzMini-PCICard

Anyone heard anything more about these 900MHz mini-PCI cards from Ubiquiti?

Their web site doesn't seem to mention them  IMHO, their web site is 
useless


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Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

 

OK, talking about all of the ways that Trango has to fine tune the 
radios has me thinking.


I've got two systems that I'm having some trouble with.  Both are low 
to the ground and I'm sure I'm seeing multipath.  GREAT speed tests 
radio to radio but poor data rates and high error rates (5% most of 
the time).  Still much better than the wifi it's replaced but it needs 
to be better.


I don't know the cli on these radios and don't have the time, desire 
or need to learn.  I do need some help from someone that knows them 
insideout. Anyone need an hour or two of consulting to help me get 
these two systems polished up so that they run at full speed?


thanks,
Marlon
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- Original Message - From: "Tom DeReggi" 
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Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Networks Reveals 
Prototype902-928MHzMini-PCICard



   


JohnnyO,

 


When you can tell me you've installed In this type of noisy environment
   

Of course every environment is different.  But We have with great 
success with Trango.


Try colocating right next to qty 5 - 929Mhz 500 watt OMNIs, and the 
same horizontal plain in Urban america with -60db RSSIs from them, 
-30db RSSIs on the top channel.


Feel free to share one technical reason why the Canopy is capable of 
dealing with interference better than Trango. (other than personal 
experience, because that can not be verified or accurately debated).  
My guess is in your environment, you weren't taking advantage of 
Trango's flexibility and using the best polarity for the job.  I find 
most noise, such as from SCADA systems, are on verticle polarity, 
very easy to combat with a radio like Trango that supports horizontal 
pol antennas on the fly. You probably were using omnis or testing 
with Trango default antennas. Try matching up Trango w/ Tiltek 
Horizontal sector w/ their convenient ext antenna port on all APs and 
CPEs capable to add narrow beam Yagis.


Trango has 3 ways to combat interference. 1- dual pol switchable, 2- 
dynamic leveling to compress out noise, 3- ARQ


The choice for 900 Mhz radios is florishing right now, all very high 
grade radios (WaveRider, Alvarion, Tranmgo, Canopy, AirSpan, WaveIP). 
All have their own little unique benefits that make them special. 
Alvarion- Mobile. WaveRider- Dual Polarity Diverity.  Trango- Dual 
Pol switchable + ARQ + great diag tools.  Canopy- easy interface w/ 
diag statistic for Jitter and such.


But as far as surviving noise, not confident that Canopy shines in 
that territory above Trango. I just don't believe it.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:08 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Netw

Re: [WISPA] ezlinx.net SPAM

[Pete Davis. NoDial.net]

I got the same one email. I also get hit with cold calls for people 
wanting to fix my radios. I don't know if they are the same company, or 
a different scam. The call center making the calls doesn't seem to know 
much, but they REALLY want you to send them broken radios.


Them: Do you have any broken out of warranty Tranzeo (or transio) radios?
Me: No. I don't use Tranzeo
Them: We fix all major brands. What kind of wireless CPE do you use?
Me: Waverider. Do you fix Waverider?
Them: Let me check.. yeah, we fix them.
Me: How much.
Them: uh... does $275 sound right?
Me: Have you ever fixed one? We can buy new ones for about $250 in 
quantity.

Them: Oh yeah... we fix them all the time How many do you have?
Me: About 25
Them: Well if you send them in, we will send back half of the ones we 
fix for no charge.

Me: What do you do with the ones you can't fix?
Them: We keep them for spare parts.
Me: I see. Does your lab have a CCU to test signal level sensitivity with?
Them: Oh yeah, we have all kinds of meters and osciloscopes, and stuff.
Me: Do you know what a CCU is?
Them: uh... let me check. hold on
(long pause)
Them: did we give you the address to send the equipment to?
Me: What equipment?
Them: the Wave equipment.
Me: Should I send the EUM's, the SPK's, or the GLD's. Can you fix all of 
those models? (I made up the last two)

Them: Oh yeah. We fix all of those.
Me: I will let you know.

Someone posted recently on how their CPE serial numbers that they sent 
in for repair showed up on ebay. I am not sure these "repair shops" 
spammers aren't fronts for ebay shops, but if they do a lot of "fix and 
send back half" work, they could have a lot of excess refirb equipment 
legitimately. I am just leary of anyone who "can fix anything" but 
doesn't know what it is.

Pete Davis
NoDial.net.


Reliable Internet, LLC wrote:

Do all you guys get this crap from them about once a week?  I have 
asked several times to be removed from their spam list.  Did they 
harvest this list or p-15?


Today I responded asking about how they fix these "Transio" they talk 
about.  LOL!  Stupid spammers can't even spell what they fix.  :)  I 
hate spam.


 Original Message 
Subject:we fix transio, trango, motorola, alvarion equipment
Date:   Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:38:21 -0500 (EST)
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



   Jan Weinberg
   ezlinx
   1-866-439-5469




My name is Jan and I am with ezlinx.net.  We sell refurbished
equipment-if you are interested most of our inventory can be viewed at
store.ezlinx.net. our phone is 1-866-439-5469.  Please ask for Jan
Weinberg.

Also, we fix any broken or dead units that you may have
around-particularly alvarion, transio, trango, motorola.  We do not charge
you a dollar fee-you ship us your equipment, we fix as much as we can and
then ship you back one half of all that we repair.  In other words, the
only cost to you is the shipping.

We also sell refurbished equipment and purchase any working or non working
units you may have around.

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Re: [WISPA] Part-15

[Pete Davis. NoDial.net]

Okay, Victoria, so why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel! :-)

"P15 only deals directly with it's suppliers." seems like a lame way out 
of a NDA to me, but I ain't no lawyer.


I don't know where you have been for the past 18 months, but I saw you 
announcing your return on the list earlier. Welcome back. Its been a 
while since I read a rant this well written. Kudos.


There seems to be things like this and more that people have been too 
polite to talk about "on the air" that I have only picked up bits and 
pieces to. I would be interested in reading the whole Part15 meltdown 
story, once all the parts of the story have finished unraveling. If 
there is a URL with all of the gory details, please let me know.


I have attended 2 wispcons. In 2004(or 2003?), the 200+ attendees and 
the 50+ exibitors made it very educational and refreshing experience. I 
saw new technologies and made contacts with many vendors and 
consultants. I talked with WISP operators who advised me on decisions I 
needed to make to grow my network, and it was good to see that I wasn't 
the only one struggling with the things I was struggling with. In 2005, 
the 30 or so attendees and the 6 or so vendors was kind of a 
disapointment to say the least. A lot more focus seemed to be on the 
after-hours entertainment than the business of the convention. With 
no-show vendors at a show like that, and no-show speakers for the 
sessions, I guess there isn't much else to focus on though, except the 
"limo rides" and BS like that.


I suspect that once its ALL over, and there is no risk of anyone suing 
for slander or libel or whatever, and no bridges to burn, there will be 
some interesting tales to tell.


Personally, I don't care about the non-profit, not for profit, or 
for-profit status of P15 or Part15 or whatever he is calling his group, 
except that IF he is claiming not-for-profit status, I think its VERY 
fraudulent and inappropriate to run it as a for profit venture. If he 
wants to CALL it a for profit and run it like that, then let it be, I 
say, but if a man cannot let it be known what he is trying to 
accomplish, and who he is going to accomplish it for, he isn't going to 
accomplish much.


Bullit is a like-able person, with a very positive attitude. Its a shame 
to see what once was a very dynamic and popular group lose momentum in 
the face of contraversy like it has. A little dishonesty (or at least 
the appearance of dishonesty) can go a LONG way to turn a positive into 
a negative. There are many things in life that are required for success, 
but it doesn't take much to turn a success into a disaster.


The whole "P15 only deals directly with it's suppliers." line to screw 
you out of potentially a boatload of commissions seems like something 
that SOMEONE needs to talk to a lawyer about... but I don't know all of 
the details of what was or is in anyone's NDAs, non-compete's or 
contracts. If I was Nuvio, and your sales referral brought me that kind 
of revenue (that P15 will eventually bring in) I would certainly want to 
find SOME way to compensate you. But thats just me.


Sorry if this post seems like a Bullit Bash, or a total dump on the 
Part15 folks. I certainly don't mean anyone any harm. I am sure that I 
don't have the whole story.


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Disclaimer: The comments contained in this email DO NOT neccesarily 
represent the current opinions of any person living or dead. Pete Davis 
and NoDial.net are in the business of delivering internet service to 
subscribers in the South Texas area, and DON'T want to get into a 
confrontation or legal battle with ANYONE with a differing opinion of 
any subject discussed here.

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Pete Davis
NoDial.net
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Victoria Proffer wrote:


Michael,

You can ban me from your list,

I guess that would be ok, not much there any more,

There are many that have warned me against your list and you honor. As 
well as they have advised me against authoring this email, but you 
know me, I a bossy broad, damn ex-Marine.


I know not to burn the bridge, but when you kick a person when they 
are down….I have no choice but to dump a barrel of coal oil on the 
bridge, hopefully, catching my pitty party in the middle.


I have been so screwed over….I am carrying lighter fluid in my vest, 
as well as several high gain parabolic and TWO five watt amps and a 
power converter.


LOL, not really, but yours, Michael, is a bridge I do need to burn, or 
get past.


I have about a half a dozen emails that you claim Part-15 is a 501.c3.

Where are the filinings?

I have checked with the state of Illinois and there have been , from 
my understanding, no filings.


I was told about this years ago, but preferred to respect your honor 
than accuse your dignity.


Clearly this is

Re: [WISPA] WISPA and volunteers

[Pete Davis. NoDial.net]

I think the Limited Business Interruption is where if the company makes 
10k/mo, and you are down for a month because of a fire, lightning, etc, 
the policy pays you $10k. The Fungi Limited Business Interruption, is 
posibly an exclusion or an inclusion in the event that you have mold in 
your building that needs to be eradicated, causing revenue loss. Some 
policies specifically exclude fungi stuff, because its debatable how 
much of a health risk it REALLY is, and its also often tied to water 
damage, which may or may not be covered in building insurance plans. Its 
also hard to prove that the building had no mold when the policy 
started, since ALL buildings have some mold in them.


pd

Dylan Oliver wrote:

I'm interested in group insurance.  Been talking to United (through 
wispinsurance.com ) and could use better 
rates .. this is what we've been offered:


$2,128 general liability & property +
$700 umbrella +
$250 "program administration charges" +
$1,250 professional E&O (optional) +
$250 E&O administration charges (optional) +
$250 Healthy & Safety Manual (maybe optional).

The coverage includes two tower locations with $50k and a premium of $585.

And what is "Fungi Limited Business Interruption"? In case I eat a 
quarter of mushrooms and trip balls for a month?


Best,
--
Dylan Oliver
Primaverity, LLC 



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Re: [WISPA] Alvarion just made Cramers BUY list.

[Pete Davis. NoDial.net]

For the record, I like Jim Cramer, and listen to him when I can. I
don't always see things as sunshin-ey or as cloudy as he does. 

to quote Cramer in  Yahoo finance: 


  
Cramer is bullish on Israeli wireless broadband connectivity
company Alvarion (ALVR:Nasdaq
- commentary
- research - Cramer's
Take) as a play on the expected growth in WiMax. 
WiMax, said Cramer, could be huge as it has a range of 30 miles
as opposed to WiFi, which is measured in feet.

Alvarion has made a profit in just two years of its 10-year history,
though, said Cramer. But, at $7.67 -- where the stock closed Thursday
-- the stock is cheap, he said. 
Cramer believes that Alvarion's stock has bottomed and that the
catalyst for the stock to move higher should come early next year when
industry standards for WiMax are expected to be decided upon. 
Asked about the possibility of Alvarion getting acquired, Cramer
said he never speculates on takeovers when a company's earnings are
declining. He is "playing it for the earnings, and they've got to come
back."
  


I don't know what makes Alvarion's wimax [not released yet] entry into
the market any better than the wimax product offerings from every other
[not released yet] entry into the market. Kind of a funny thing to
speculate on, and talking to ANY manufacturer, you get the impression
that THEY have the Wimax market wrapped up just as soon as they start
shipping, since Wimax will offer us 30 mile NLOS 400Gbps $40CPE etc
etc. 

Manufacturing problems, marketing problems, pricing problems etc  may
all fly in the face of ANY manufacturer. I am not trying to downplay
Alvarion's products, strategies, or company, but I don't know about
risking my hard earned money on a non-shipping product line. On the
other hand, <$8 is probably cheap for this company.

Just incase I have missed something... has anyone actually shipped a
Wimax compliant product? Is the Wimax standard been ratified? I kind of
tuned out the hype about a year ago, and havent really been following
it. 

Pete Davis
NoDial.net

George wrote:
Congradts
to anyone who owns Alvarion stock.
  
  
You'll see a nice bunp tomorrow.
  
  
George
  




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Re: [WISPA] How to keep track of appointments

[Pete Davis. NoDial.net]

We started off with Yahoo Groups. We have just about outgrown it. Its 
kind of a PITA
I am considering ACT for Web, or something like that. The problem I see 
is that the ideal solution needs to be accessable from any browser, show 
multiple calenders, and integrate a contact manager.



pd

Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:


Reliable Internet, LLC wrote:

How do ya'll do it?  I used to remember everything, but I am 
forgetting things lately.  Maybe it's old age (i did just turn 22) or 
maybe the work volume has increased past my memory's capacity.  
Either way I need a solution.  Do I go with a program on the laptop?  
Or some kind of handheld device.  I don't currently own a handheld, 
and would be willing to purchase.  What seems to be most efficient 
for you all?


Brian



Yahoo Calendar.  It will also sync up with Outlook so you can share 
the calendar.  We are sharing our calendar with all employees and our 
primary installers.  Not the cleanest, but it works well.


Matt Larsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: [WISPA] Anyone (or everyone) else getting spam from AdZilla?

[Pete Davis. NoDial.net]

Butch Evans wrote:


On Mon, 31 Oct 2005, Pete Davis. NoDial.net wrote:

 


What the heck is this?? Is anyone else out there "partnering" with
these spammers? I replied and told them that we don't do business
   



I did not get an email like that (or the Barracuda caught it).
Please post a name so that I can be sure to not do business with
them anyway.  Thanks.

 


Here is the total email, including the headers:


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Subject: Business Partnership with NoDial.net
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Hello Pete,

I noticed one of your recent postings on WISPA list and thought that I
would introduce myself to you and find out if you have some time to learn
how our services help ISPs increasing the Average Revenue earned per
End-User. =20

My organization is developing strategic partnerships with ISPs around 
North

America and I would like to present our unique revenue sharing business
proposition to your company.

We had a very successful show at ISPCON where we met up with many existing
and potential partners.  I have a presentation that I=B9d like to run 
through

with you that outlines our history and value propositions, our technology
and its applications and the potential revenue earned and cost savings
achieved by ISPs becoming a partner with Adzilla.

I hope to be able to talk with you soon.

Respectfully,


Martin Stewart
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[WISPA] Anyone (or everyone) else getting spam from AdZilla?

[Pete Davis. NoDial.net]

I just got an email that was apparently based on my posting to wispa list.

   Hello Pete,

   I noticed one of your recent postings on WISPA list and thought that I
   would introduce myself to you and find out if you have some time to
   learn
   how our services help ISPs increasing the Average Revenue earned per
   End-User. 


   blah blah blah



What the heck is this?? Is anyone else out there "partnering" with these 
spammers? I replied and told them that we don't do business with those 
who contact me unsolicited, and unless they come HIGHLY recommended by 
another ISP, I won't be contacting them.


According to their website, they help kill viruses and spyware by 
delivering "filtered" ads. Can anyone tell me if these guys are legit. 
The whole thing seems goofy to me. Am I missing something?


Pete Davis
NoDial.net
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Re: [WISPA] Cancelling Accounts

[Pete Davis. NoDial.net]

I had a client who was a real spam magnet with 4 accounts. They emailed 
me to cancel recently. I turned off filtering on their email account and 
forwarded it to their new DSL email account.
Normally I just delete the email unless they ask to have it forwarded, 
or ask to keep the account open for a while, or whatever.


pd


David E. Smith wrote:


Scott Reed wrote:

 


In business for almost exactly a year and lost the first 2
customers today.  One is a friend that has moved out of our area.  I know
how I will nandle his account.  The other is a to a competitor.  How do
you handle the email account?  Do I just disable the account login, remove
it from the server, or something else?
   



At my workplace we usually delete on sight. By the time a customer calls
to cancel, they're almost always completely set up with their new ISP. At
that point, it's not even a question of "being nice" to them, as they
shouldn't need any services from you any longer.

"Nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure."

David Smith
MVN.net
 



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Re: [WISPA] Senao Question

[Pete Davis. NoDial.net]

I got them from wisp-router.com but I don't think they carry them anymore.

pd

Dylan Oliver wrote:


Pete,

Where do you buy these EZ-Y bridges?

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Re: [WISPA] Senao Question

[Pete Davis. NoDial.net]

All prices from wisp-router.com. You may find better prices elsewhere, 
but Eje's usually seem to be in line.


2611 CB3 Deluxe = $94.83 (qty 24)
PacWireless Rootenna = RT24-14 = $36.90 (qty 25)
UML (Satellite Arm) = $13.45

A 3 inch piece of Velcro tape holds in in just fine.

They seem to handle 100 degree + days in South Texas without any 
problem. I don't think I have had any fail due to heat or cold. It got 
down to the teens last winter.


Pete Davis
NoDial.net

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


Pete,
Will you list out all the parts and prices of this 200mw CPE?  Is this 
outdoor, POE?  It is kind a "build your own"?

What temperatures is this operation in?

Brian

George wrote:


Pete Davis. NoDial.net wrote:



I like the features of the Tranzeos, the Smartbridges, etc etc, but 
at $100 more per CPE, my 200 2611 clients would have cost me $20k 
more. If anyone can tell me another way to get a 36db POE client for 
less than $150 PLEASE contact me off list to [EMAIL PROTECTED]


I learned that the hard way.

Pete Davis
NoDial.net




Well I would say that Teletronics EZ Bridges were good. I have 500 
+/- of them.

And they have a 200MW version.
But lately, I've been getting some bad ones in my orders.

The 100mw pcb kit is 100.00 or so and the 200mw is 125.00 or so.

But I would caution buyer beware, since buying the pcb only version 
and not the full fledges outdoor unit, I've noticed a lot of doa''s 
and unstable units.


Will be nice when StarVX Lonnie gets his single radio cpe.
I understand it may be in the price range you mentioned.

George





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Re: [WISPA] Senao Question

[Pete Davis. NoDial.net]

The 3054's suck. If you can keep them airconditioned, they might stay up 
for you for a while, but they SEEM to bee overly sensitive to heat.
I have a 3054 that I use for my kid's bedroom PC, one for my PC 
workbench, and a few other locations where I could probably get by with 
a USB adapter, but since I bought 24 of these POS's, I use them wherever 
I have a NON mission-critical application, or stuff like that.
I once plugged in 10 of them around the house. and associated them all 
to a Linksys router, and pinged all of them for a week without a failure.
In a test environment I don't think I have ever had one fail, but in the 
field, they seem to spontanieously crap out.


A cheap WDS alternative is a EZ-Y net bridges. I have one on a roof with 
an omni, about two miles from a MTik AP and associated in WDS mode, and 
it seems to work well to "fill in the blanks" for nearby customers.


Pete Davis
NoDial.net
361.277.FAST

Dylan Oliver wrote:

Speaking of Senao ... I just ran across some really nasty reviews of 
the nl-3054 CB3+. My client wants to share a cable connection at one 
house with two others with LOS and within 100ft. Sounds easy enough, 
but those reviews ("worst product ever") have me looking again 
elsewhere. But nothing else seems to offer WPA. The 802.11g is nice, 
but could pass.


Anyone have anything decent to say about these?

Best,
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Primaverity, LLC 



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Re: [WISPA] Senao Question

[Pete Davis. NoDial.net]

What I have experienced is that 30% or better is usually a solid signal 
quality. 15% or better is usually a solid signal strength. I have never 
figured out a "%" to "dbm" translation.
The web-only non-snmp interface is my least favorite thing about 2611 
CB3 Deluxes.


My most favorite thing about them is the price. 2611's inside rootennas 
are my typical installation. With all hardware and mounting brackets, 
masts, etc, I am laying out less than $200 per install, and paying the 
installer contractor $125..
I have around 200 deployed like what you are describing.  I have almost 
100 more clients with different CPE.


I like the features of the Tranzeos, the Smartbridges, etc etc, but at 
$100 more per CPE, my 200 2611 clients would have cost me $20k more. If 
anyone can tell me another way to get a 36db POE client for less than 
$150 PLEASE contact me off list to [EMAIL PROTECTED]


A note of caution/education to pass along to anyone implementing the 
rootenna/cb3 combination:
If the rootenna is one of the revisions that doesn't have a grounding 
clip to pull out [to make contact with the back bracket] put in a ground 
wire from the front to the back, and ground the pole. Un-Grounded, the 
static discharge from a nearby lightning will often leave the 2511 radio 
card [inside the 2611 bridge] in a in-sensitive state.


I learned that the hard way.

Pete Davis
NoDial.net


Jason wrote:


Guys (& gals),

   Has anyone worked with the Senao 2611 Deluxe Plus/Rootenna combo?  
How do you interpret the "Communications Quality %" and the "Signal 
Strength %" values?  What are some typical numbers that you like to 
see/know will work (maybe break it down by thru-put)?  Right now I 
have an 8 mile link with 28% quality and 16% signal strength.  It's 
sticking to 11Mbits/sec, but I have no way to test the throughput at 
the moment.


Jason



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Re: [WISPA] TV Interference

[Pete Davis. NoDial.net]

I had the same thing recently. I raised the rootenna above the TV 
antenna, and the white dots went away.


Pete Davis
NoDial.net


Scott Reed wrote:

OK, I have dealt with TV interference before, but this one has me 
stumped.  Installed customer 4 weeks ago.  All is fine.  Over last 
week, signal strenght started degrading.  Customer complained about 
speed slowdown.  Customer was out of town for weekend but we went out 
Saturday and RSSI was really bad.  Did some testing.  Replaced 15dB 
antenna with a 19.  Raised about 4".  Signal strength improved 
dramatically.  Customer came home Sunday and there were dots/lines in 
channels 2 and 5.  Channel 7 works fine.  The 2 & 7 transmitters are 
not far from each other.  Unplugged radio and dots/lines went away.  
Plugged it back in, dots/lines.  So, why only channels below 7 and why 
only with the new antenna?


Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
www.nwwnet.net <http://www.nwwnet.net/>



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Re: [WISPA] Satellite Anyone?

[Pete Davis. NoDial.net]

The high latency of satelite based internet makes it un-friendly for 
VOIP, VPN, online gaming, etc.
The slow upload speed that is usually offered doesn't make it very 
friendly for much else.
I have considered getting one to redirect P2P traffic to in order to 
free up T1's.


Pete Davis
NoDial.net

David A. Browning wrote:


I use satellite in my mobile wireless distribution trailers. With commercial
grade accounts the bandwidth is decent, but the inherent latency makes VOIP
typically unusable. You of course notice some delay on the click through
items as well, but what do you expect for a signal that has to travel 50,000
miles round trip? There are better systems than Direcway, but the equipment
costs are ten times more. Direcway's systems are based on TV signal and data
has to be converted in the transition,  others are based off data signals
only have far lower latency.

Thanks!

David A. Browning
Advanced Wireless Networks
(541) 280-5834

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 7:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Satellite Anyone?

It's common outside the US as there are often not good connections to even
the largest cities in many countries.

In the US I've heard of it being done.  Usually the costs are much higher
and the performance lower than lan based systems (for $300 to $400 per month
you can get a 5 year lease on a LOT of high end backhaul gear and cover many
tens of miles).

laters,
Marlon
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42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
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Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 10:25 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Satellite Anyone?


 


Hello everyone,

  Has anyone successfully used satellite (ie, Directway 7700 or similar)
as their source of upstream bandwidth?  If so or if not, why?  How did it
turn out?  Any suggestions?  T1's are hard to come by here, and I'm still
shopping for alternatives.

Jason Wallace
WISP Startup in AZ

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