Re: [WISPA] MT telnet
Can you set your TERM env variable to something different? I don't have a mikrotik to try it on, but if you set your TERM env variable to vt100 it should not use color Ryan D. Ryan Spott wrote: Sigh *no*... http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/US07/v3.pdf (page 21) Console: Colors Console consumes less memory, it hasfaster startup and fast export time References to items, commands, prompts and exports are coloured Currently no way to turn colours off, except running under a dumb terminal ryan Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Does anyone know if there is a way to turn off the color features on the newer Mikrotik ROS versions when doing a telnet? It is messing up our remote telnet scripts because the color codes are being sent and the Net::Telnet perl module does not know how to deal with them. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Langseth System Administrator InvisiMax email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 218.745.6030 Cell: 701.739.1577 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NS1 - KML conversion
http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/map?form=wifi Ryan On Jul 23, 2008, at 12:34 AM, Rogelio wrote: I'm looking for scripts (perl, python, etc) that turn Netstumber (or equiv) data into the KML files necessary for Google Earth. So far, I've only found the following googling. http://code.google.com/p/ns2kml/ Has anyone found any others that work well? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade Association Was: Report: FCC to PunishComcast Over Web Blocking
Can we please kill this thread, nothing new has been said in it in the last three days (or year...), its redundant and repetitive. Ryan -- Ryan Langseth System Administrator InvisiMax email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 218.745.6030 Cell: 701.739.1577 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL issue
What firmware are you running? the 5.0.18 is supposed to handle noise better. I have been told to turn off automatic noise immunity on our VL. In our case it did help some. Have you run a Spectrum Analysis with the AU? find the quietest channel. Run a real SA, check h-pol too. Ultimately we switched to H-pol on our VL, way less noise. Ryan Cameron Kilton wrote: I have a 5.8ghz sector running in a fairly nosing environment. From time to time, it stops pass data. I'm able to telnet into this device and see associations, but I cannot ping the or telnet to the client SU's until I reboot the AU-VL. Anybody have any good ideas. I've done some of the easy stuff, change freq, new IDU but no luck so far. Thank You, Cameron Kilton Broadband Department Assistant Systems Administrator Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (207)594-8277 ext. 108 -- -- This e-mail message may contain material that is confidential or proprietary to Midcoast Internet Solutions. If you are not the intended recipient(s) or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender, destroy all copies of this message, and delete this message from your computer. -- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Langseth System Administrator InvisiMax email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 218.745.6030 Cell: 701.739.1577 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Spam from ligowave?
Today i got an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED], i am fairly certain i did not give them my address at any point. I suspect it may have been harvested from the list, has anyone else seen a message from them today? Ryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DNS help
That does not mean they are having issues, just that they do not support recursive lookups (considered a security issue in most cases). ryan-langseths-ibook-g4:~ ryanl$ host google.com ns1.etsy.com Using domain server: Name: ns1.etsy.com Address: 38.106.64.5#53 Aliases: Host google.com.admintool.org not found: 5(REFUSED) ryan-langseths-ibook-g4:~ ryanl$ host www.etsy.com ns1.etsy.com Using domain server: Name: ns1.etsy.com Address: 38.106.64.5#53 Aliases: www.etsy.com has address 72.37.157.20 Ryan On Jun 28, 2008, at 12:07 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, After getting some help from Ryan Spott, it appears ETSY.COM's DNS servers are having issues. By using their DNS servers and trying to do nslookups, every single domain fails with REFUSED. Travis Microserv Ryan Langseth wrote: Are the server *NIX servers? try running host etsy.com 38.106.64.5 from your DNS servers to make sure you are getting connectivity to their DNS servers on 53 your output should be similar to : ns1:/var/log# host etsy.com 38.106.64.5 Using domain server: Name: 38.106.64.5 Address: 38.106.64.5#53 Aliases: etsy.com has address 72.37.157.20 etsy.com mail is handled by 10 mxin.mxes.net. If you are using bind, you may have a cached query that returned a bad value, you can run rndc flush to clear your cached queries. Ryan On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We are currently having a DNS issue with etsy.com. We are able to ping and traceroute to their nameservers and webservers, but we are unable to resolve their IP info using our DNS servers. Therefore, we have users calling us that they can't access the website. Any ideas on where I could start troubleshooting this? Our DNS guru is gone for a week. :( Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DNS help
just noticed a typo in my query, but the result is still the same: ryan-langseths-ibook-g4:~ ryanl$ host google.com. ns1.etsy.com Using domain server: Name: ns1.etsy.com Address: 38.106.64.5#53 Aliases: Host google.com not found: 5(REFUSED) On Jun 28, 2008, at 8:32 AM, Ryan Langseth wrote: That does not mean they are having issues, just that they do not support recursive lookups (considered a security issue in most cases). ryan-langseths-ibook-g4:~ ryanl$ host google.com ns1.etsy.com Using domain server: Name: ns1.etsy.com Address: 38.106.64.5#53 Aliases: Host google.com.admintool.org not found: 5(REFUSED) ryan-langseths-ibook-g4:~ ryanl$ host www.etsy.com ns1.etsy.com Using domain server: Name: ns1.etsy.com Address: 38.106.64.5#53 Aliases: www.etsy.com has address 72.37.157.20 Ryan On Jun 28, 2008, at 12:07 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, After getting some help from Ryan Spott, it appears ETSY.COM's DNS servers are having issues. By using their DNS servers and trying to do nslookups, every single domain fails with REFUSED. Travis Microserv Ryan Langseth wrote: Are the server *NIX servers? try running host etsy.com 38.106.64.5 from your DNS servers to make sure you are getting connectivity to their DNS servers on 53 your output should be similar to : ns1:/var/log# host etsy.com 38.106.64.5 Using domain server: Name: 38.106.64.5 Address: 38.106.64.5#53 Aliases: etsy.com has address 72.37.157.20 etsy.com mail is handled by 10 mxin.mxes.net. If you are using bind, you may have a cached query that returned a bad value, you can run rndc flush to clear your cached queries. Ryan On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We are currently having a DNS issue with etsy.com. We are able to ping and traceroute to their nameservers and webservers, but we are unable to resolve their IP info using our DNS servers. Therefore, we have users calling us that they can't access the website. Any ideas on where I could start troubleshooting this? Our DNS guru is gone for a week. :( Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DNS help
Are the server *NIX servers? try running host etsy.com 38.106.64.5 from your DNS servers to make sure you are getting connectivity to their DNS servers on 53 your output should be similar to : ns1:/var/log# host etsy.com 38.106.64.5 Using domain server: Name: 38.106.64.5 Address: 38.106.64.5#53 Aliases: etsy.com has address 72.37.157.20 etsy.com mail is handled by 10 mxin.mxes.net. If you are using bind, you may have a cached query that returned a bad value, you can run rndc flush to clear your cached queries. Ryan On Jun 27, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We are currently having a DNS issue with etsy.com. We are able to ping and traceroute to their nameservers and webservers, but we are unable to resolve their IP info using our DNS servers. Therefore, we have users calling us that they can't access the website. Any ideas on where I could start troubleshooting this? Our DNS guru is gone for a week. :( Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: [WISP] Internet Monitor - new release posted
How about a SOAP interface rather than email? That would be a decent way to distribute custom updates, config options and send the results. Ryan Larry Yunker wrote: Just a quick note: I posted a new release of the Internet Monitor software today. (v. 1.0.0.17) It's available at http://www.wispadvantage.com/html/custom_software.html I addressed a few bugs and improved the stability of the speed test features in this release. I also made significant changes to the email-report mechanism. It now generates a nice XML file when sending the test results back to the ISP. I'm getting close to having an automated method for checking-for and downloading-updates, but without more testing, I'm not ready to deploy that code quite yet. Hopefully I'll have it within the next week. Regards, Larry Yunker Network Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Langseth System Administrator InvisiMax email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 218.745.6030 Cell: 701.739.1577 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How much data
Here is another one (written by a friend of mine) it will calculate the missing value (time, speed, or size) http://therub.org/calc/ another good option is google calc: http://www.google.com/search?hl=enclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficialhs=Cd7q=1+Mbps+*+24+hoursbtnG=Search 10.587 GB Ryan* * D. Ryan Spott wrote: There is a handy calculator here: http://www.tranzeofaq.com/bandwidthcalc.html ryan On Jun 17, 2008, at 6:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok silly question that has probably been asked a million times. But if a user had a 1M connection how much data in Megs could he transfer if it ran at maximum capacity for 24 hours? Thanks, John Buwa WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Langseth System Administrator InvisiMax email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 218.745.6030 Cell: 701.739.1577 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IDS
YOu might have some luck with this: http://search-www.vmware.com/socialsearch/query?cn=vmwarecc=wwwst=1adv=0bn_uf=VMware_Site_appliances_dirbn_if=VMware_Site_appliances_dirq=snortx=0y=0 Ryan Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I'm looking for a quick and easy IDS package (ISO would be preferred) that I can install for some basic network sniffing (viruses, worms, SMURF, DOS, etc.). I know about Snort, but it is a huge project to get everything installed and working correctly. Anyone know of an ISO (even with Snort ready to run), etc.? or something similar? thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Langseth System Administrator InvisiMax email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 218.745.6030 Cell: 701.739.1577 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Archives of email?
Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -Original Message- From: Martha Huizenga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 2:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Archives of email? I thought there was a search function of the listservs? Someone asked about Freeside the other day and I didn't read the posts, but now I want to know what was said. Can I look it up? Martha DC Access WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Watertower trouble
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[WISPA] Freeside Consultants
Does anyone know of third party consultants for freeside, or do that type of work? Contact me offlist, thanks. Ryan -- Ryan Langseth System Administrator InvisiMax email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 218.745.6030 Cell: 701.739.1577 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach
a google earth census data viewer, along with info on how it was created: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2102559,00.asp On May 19, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Frank Crawford wrote: When ya'll get done jawjacking about crap that isn't going to get to a solution I could use some guidence about this. (There are no plans to create Block level boundary files.) http://www.census.gov/geo/www/cob/bdy_files.html With this info we can put together a self indexing program that only needs the information you allready have. It's not that big of deal provided we don't have to pay for the census data. Frank - Original Message - From: CHUCK M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach Then The JURY members were uneducated boobs... a little reading and it is very evident he should not be in jail.part of the scare tactic the IRS uses every yearsad but true If one wanted to read more http://www.originalintent.org/ Chuck Moses -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: May 19, 2008 10:45 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach Your wrong, Wesley Snipes is going to jail for 3 years because a JURY felt he should. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Victoria Proffer Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach I don't know if you are aware of this but there is no law requiring you to pay income tax, have you ever read any of the U.S. code? Why do you think they want to pass a federal sales tax so bad, cause all this is coming out on the internet and people are starting to stop paying the income tax. Just type income tax on Youtube. That is why Wesley Snipes is going to jail for 3 years... On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or perhaps you are one of those that doesn't believe the govt has the right to impose an imcome tax... I don't know if you are aware of this but there is no law requiring you to pay income tax, have you ever read any of the U.S. code? Why do you think they want to pass a federal sales tax so bad, cause all this is coming out on the internet and people are starting to stop paying the income tax. Just type income tax on Youtube. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach While at it, bill the IRS for your time in filling out their data requests which they will use against you. Ditto the census bureau, you must be really steamed when they roll around... Or perhaps you are one of those that doesn't believe the govt has the right to impose an imcome tax... I feel godwins law about to be invoked. Tinfoil hats anyone... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband Visit us @ www.StLBroadband.com 314-974-5600 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband
Funny, we have people and companies ask us for this type of setup quite often. Rather than running them off, we price it accordingly and build our network to support them even if that is a dedicated link to their premise. I would much rather take their 300-500/month (t1 pricing) than give them to the telcos Ryan Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I agree. I had a gamer come to me the other day wanting a guarantee that his games would work on our system. heh Told him that if it's really that much money on the line (he said he had up to $25k per month riding on his gaming) he should buy a t-1 from the telco! Never heard from him again. grin laters marlon - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Broadband I am not sure what the costs should or will be? But...I will say that is where I think broadband will be headed, for sure, if the FCC keeps going the way they are headed(since the Comcast deal) with the completely open concept, such as no bandwidth shaping of any sort. Even the BIG players such as the major cable companies and the major telcos cannot operate their networks very long with the new bandwidth intensive apps coming along(unless its on their own network) with no bandwidth shaping. IMHO, I think this is how it should be, a cost per data transfer or a limit and then overage charges, just as electric, long distance, water usage, etc... have been for a long time. My 2 pence worth. Scott -- Original Message -- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:23:58 -0500 So what types of rates would be appropriate for a metered broadband service? It obviously depends on what your costs are. I'll just throw something out to start a conversation, not necessarily reflective of any costs. $2/gig transferred, no other costs or limits. $10 base, $1.50/gig transferred, no other limits. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Langseth System Administrator InvisiMax email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 218.745.6030 Cell: 701.739.1577 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RSTP problems with simultaneous WiFi + wired connection
It shouldn't since your wired and wireless cards have different mac addresses. -Original Message- From: Tom Warfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] RSTP problems with simultaneous WiFi + wired connection Not true. I am always connected to both. -Original Message- From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 9:42 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] RSTP problems with simultaneous WiFi + wired connection A friend told me that if a computer wifi connection supports RSTP, and if I'm, say, logged on a wired network *and* logged on one of my wireless network devices that I could create some sort of RSTP disaster (a loop, perhaps?) I'm not quite sure I understand this and was hoping someone here might point me in the right direction to understanding. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comcast will also be offering up to 50 Mbps
On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 10:15 -0500, Matt wrote: Oh boy are they digging themselves a big hole! All of the money is in the TV side of things and they are making it easier for people to watch TV via the web instead of via the cable co. On top of that they are talking about chewing up 4 TV channels PER CUSTOMER Wowsers. Not per custommer rather for the entire node. Currently one channel is shared among many. In future 4 will be shared among many. It's going to be amazing to watch where all of this is going to end up. This is actually great news for the smaller wisps out there. $200 50 meg connections. Very nice. I'd drop my $1000 10 meg connection for that! Or at the very least, buy a very high speed backup link. Me thinks it would be a very cold day in that they would give you more then a small handfull of IP's with that or let you do something like BGP. Not to mention their AUP would almost definitely disallow reselling, they could disconnect you at a moments notice for that violation. Your $1000 10 meg connection is dedicated bandwidth, vs shared bandwidth from Comcast. And would you really want your customers depending on Comcast? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The best Firewall - for the money
You can pick up a Cisco ASA5505 with basic access for under 500 from newegg. Ryan Ron Wallace wrote: Yes, you are right David, it was not specific. They need to protect their Medicial Billing Records, Patient info as well as critical info about their own business from Hackers who might discover thier business, damage some of the billing and medical data, or cause a failure in their system. Worst case would be to publish patient medical Records data, this has happened before and HHS and the Attorneys freak out, and so therefore do the Docs. Outside Access requirement is only for the Doc's wife to access the Billing System (SW) to enable work from home. I appreciate anything you are willing to share. And your pointing out the vagueness of the request was insightful, thanks very much. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: David E. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 06:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] The best Firewall - for the money I have a small Medical practice that has requested a firewall for their LAN. Which would you all recommend? Price rane below $1000, Doc woule prefer $500. That's incredibly vague. What do they need to protect, from whom, and what if any outside access should be permitted? This could be as simple as a $50 Linksys router, or as complicated as a mid-range Cisco PIX (last I looked those still were in the $700-ish range). Answering the question properly will require quite a bit more information. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Langseth System Administrator InvisiMax email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 218.745.6030 Cell: 701.739.1577 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weird Tranzeo problem...
We have run into this same problem with prism AP to Tranzeo CPE.A majority of our Aps are Prism's and we are installing almost all new customers with tranzeo CPEs. A majority of them work just fine, but every once in a while we will have a problem install. We have started stocking a small inventory of prism based cpe equipment for those problems. I have had other vendors admit the same issue. Ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 12:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird Tranzeo problem... 3.3 on 532 and 333. marlon - Original Message - From: Blair Davis To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weird Tranzeo problem... What version of mt on what hardware? Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm having trouble with the cpq and mt with xr2 cards. There's a problem that they aren't figuring out yet. marlon - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] Weird Tranzeo problem... Hi all... Recently, I am having a problem with the Tranzeo CPQ CPE radio's passing traffic when associated to a Hermes I, (Lucent PCMCIA based) or a Prism 2.5, (Senao MP2511 based) AP. They will associate and show good signal quality, but they have high and variable latency, very high, (80%+) retransmission rate, and next to no thruput. If I take an old Tranzeo CPE-200 or a Linksys WET-11 or a Lucent EC, it works fine. Tranzeo claim there is a known issue with Atheros clients connecting to these older AP's, but I have Atheros based PCMCIA cards in laptops that work just fine with them. Has anyone else had this or a similar problem? And if so, is there any work around? Thanks... Blair Davis West Michigan Wireless ISP WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1315 - Release Date: 3/6/2008 9:07 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1315 - Release Date: 3/6/2008 9:07 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo tr-6000 ap
We have seen similar issues. We had three come off of a tower ten miles past nowhere. They would work for a max 2 weeks and fail. Even reboots would not work. All grounding was redone, even removed. The problem went away when we replaced it with another brand ap. On another tower we had another wisp about ten blocks away with breezeaccess 2.4 there we reduced the antenna gain and eventually replaced the tranzeos with different aps. That was definitely a interference issue, but the tranzeo seemed to handle the noise terribly. Ryan -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:13 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo tr-6000 ap Anyone else having trouble with these? It's like Jeckle and Hide. Sometimes they work great, other times they lock up constantly. In my case it's pretty location dependant. Take a place that they won't work, use that same radio somewhere else and it seems to work ok. At the place it wouldn't work, put in something else and the new gear runs fine. They almost all lock up from time to time on me. Some locations worse so than others. It seems to be interference related. Like the radio gets tired of retries or some other thing and finally just rolls over and wets it's self. Sure we see slow downs and other things with all of the product we use, that's kind of expected in this day and age. But even the SB ap's have been more stable lately. sigh, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ [The entire original message is not included] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast
If you are getting to the middle of nowhere with a service vehicle, http://www.collegeflagsandbanners.com/tailgate-flagpole.html would probably work well. Our CEO has one for tailgating (we have not tried it for surveys), you just drive onto the stand and put in the flag pole. Our tailgate flagpole system is an excellent addition to your tailgating equipment. Sold separately, the system includes our [extendable 44 - ] 20' tailgate flagpole, wheel stand, and ground mount thereby allowing to setup your tailgate party on any surface. Ryan Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking at getting a telescoping mast to check for signals. It sure would be nice to know just how high I have to go to get good signal vs. knowing that 7' - 8' (where is as tall as I can hold the antenna) isn't enough. If I'm next to a house, no big deal... someone stands at the base (I think I saw a steak mount) while someone else stands on the roof to steady. How would I steady it in the middle of nowhere... i.e.: checking to see how I could steady it when I'm checking signal in some experiments\long term production use. I do have access to flatbed trailers I could guy to the pockets... not for transport, though, just stationary testing. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
One thing to watch with the compasses is magnetic distortion. When we are aiming a PTP link or sector we will use a compass and a reference point from google earth. This is especially important when on top of a grain elevator since they can have some large electric motors for the conveyors, which will throw off magnetic compasses. For installs we have given our techs MS streets and trips with the usb GPS dongle. Our Installer's vans are equipped with Jotto Desks and have tablets PC that allow them to use the Street and Trips for directions. Ryan On Jan 29, 2008, at 11:58 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I love my Garmin Etrex Summit. One of the things I like the most is it's magnetic compass. Don't have to be moving for it to work. I also have a data cable that lets me use in with topo usa and a laptop. Great for surveys. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] GPS I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number out of you know where. Recommendations? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users
There are things like looking at the customer base. 1) are they likely to need incoming connections ( This is mainly for businesses ) 2) are they likely to get a worm and have it start spamming ( I hate trying to track down a spammy machine behind NAT ... its not hard just annoying) 3) are they going to have problems with double NAT, the customers router will be doing nat also. Certain system do not handle that very nicely Frankly I hate using Private IPs for customers at all, I also strongly dislike not doing DHCP unless the customer is paying for that static. Static IP addressing is a PITA if you have to renumber, obivously with privates that problem is largely gone. Depending on where you are doing your NAT, I would suggest if you go that route to do it at your Head End, not at your edge routers. That way you can implement one of the common IDS/IPS systems to find problem customers (virus, etc) . Not doing DHCP, if you plan on being profitable, imo, is also a major mistake. You will end up consuming 10+ minutes of your install techs and CSRs time per install. Ryan On Jan 28, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Ugo Bellavance wrote: Tom DeReggi wrote: whether to give private or public address has nothing to do with cost. Oh, what are the thing to consider exactly? Regards, Ugo Bellavance WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users
My thoughts got ahead of my fingers,, it was supposed to say bigger and more profitable. I am looking at it from my standpoint, we have 2000+ customers, 48 POPs and yes, all static IP addresses (a mix of internet routable and rfc1918). We have 2 full time installers and 2-3 CSRs on during business hours. Now, in order to assign an IP address the tech has to call in and get one from the CSRs, that can take awhile especially when we are busy. Assigning and managing IPs is done with a BFS (Big %#ing Spreadsheet), I am guessing you currently use the same method. Now we could assign the IP address on the work order, but then you have to make sure it gets used, or marked as free if it is a no-go, this is more difficult with more people. Also since we have multiple CSRs we have to have the BFS shared, that causes numerous time delays when saving, making changes and dealing with conflicts. Luckily I hardly ever have to deal with the BFS, or IP assignment. But I do believe it can be better Rather than looking at how well it works now, take a look at how it will work in the future. If you are ok with what you see, continue how you want. I am only expressing my opinion and will not feel bad if you do not agree with it. ;) Ryan On Jan 28, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: Not sure where the 10+ minutes per install addition for a static IP comes into play. Takes 30 seconds or so to program that in. Yeah, not quite as convenient as DHCP, and you run the risk of duplicate IP's if you get sloppy, but otherwise I see a huge advantage with static. Renumbering, like you mentioned, is also MUCH easier if you have internal privates. I NAT at the headend - not at each tower / POP. Makes management very easy for me. For me, static works, dhcp doesn't. Of course, everyone is different. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users There are things like looking at the customer base. 1) are they likely to need incoming connections ( This is mainly for businesses ) 2) are they likely to get a worm and have it start spamming ( I hate trying to track down a spammy machine behind NAT ... its not hard just annoying) 3) are they going to have problems with double NAT, the customers router will be doing nat also. Certain system do not handle that very nicely Frankly I hate using Private IPs for customers at all, I also strongly dislike not doing DHCP unless the customer is paying for that static. Static IP addressing is a PITA if you have to renumber, obivously with privates that problem is largely gone. Depending on where you are doing your NAT, I would suggest if you go that route to do it at your Head End, not at your edge routers. That way you can implement one of the common IDS/IPS systems to find problem customers (virus, etc) . Not doing DHCP, if you plan on being profitable, imo, is also a major mistake. You will end up consuming 10+ minutes of your install techs and CSRs time per install. Ryan On Jan 28, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Ugo Bellavance wrote: Tom DeReggi wrote: whether to give private or public address has nothing to do with cost. Oh, what are the thing to consider exactly? Regards, Ugo Bellavance -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users
Yea, actually I have looked that and would love to have that. This is a network I inherited, it was this way when I got it. If it was mine from the beginning DHCP would have been used (along with RADIUS and etc). Ryan On Jan 28, 2008, at 8:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan, Have you considered using DHCP to manage manually assigned IP addresses? It offers the best of both worlds. The IPs are statically mapped to customers, yet the allocations are managed on the server side, eliminating the concern about ongoing maintenance (lost client settings). Additionally, duplicate IP allocation is prevented. ted On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Ryan Langseth wrote: My thoughts got ahead of my fingers,, it was supposed to say bigger and more profitable. I am looking at it from my standpoint, we have 2000+ customers, 48 POPs and yes, all static IP addresses (a mix of internet routable and rfc1918). We have 2 full time installers and 2-3 CSRs on during business hours. Now, in order to assign an IP address the tech has to call in and get one from the CSRs, that can take awhile especially when we are busy. Assigning and managing IPs is done with a BFS (Big %#ing Spreadsheet), I am guessing you currently use the same method. Now we could assign the IP address on the work order, but then you have to make sure it gets used, or marked as free if it is a no-go, this is more difficult with more people. Also since we have multiple CSRs we have to have the BFS shared, that causes numerous time delays when saving, making changes and dealing with conflicts. Luckily I hardly ever have to deal with the BFS, or IP assignment. But I do believe it can be better Rather than looking at how well it works now, take a look at how it will work in the future. If you are ok with what you see, continue how you want. I am only expressing my opinion and will not feel bad if you do not agree with it. ;) Ryan On Jan 28, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: Not sure where the 10+ minutes per install addition for a static IP comes into play. Takes 30 seconds or so to program that in. Yeah, not quite as convenient as DHCP, and you run the risk of duplicate IP's if you get sloppy, but otherwise I see a huge advantage with static. Renumbering, like you mentioned, is also MUCH easier if you have internal privates. I NAT at the headend - not at each tower / POP. Makes management very easy for me. For me, static works, dhcp doesn't. Of course, everyone is different. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Private vs Public addresses for end-users There are things like looking at the customer base. 1) are they likely to need incoming connections ( This is mainly for businesses ) 2) are they likely to get a worm and have it start spamming ( I hate trying to track down a spammy machine behind NAT ... its not hard just annoying) 3) are they going to have problems with double NAT, the customers router will be doing nat also. Certain system do not handle that very nicely Frankly I hate using Private IPs for customers at all, I also strongly dislike not doing DHCP unless the customer is paying for that static. Static IP addressing is a PITA if you have to renumber, obivously with privates that problem is largely gone. Depending on where you are doing your NAT, I would suggest if you go that route to do it at your Head End, not at your edge routers. That way you can implement one of the common IDS/IPS systems to find problem customers (virus, etc) . Not doing DHCP, if you plan on being profitable, imo, is also a major mistake. You will end up consuming 10+ minutes of your install techs and CSRs time per install. Ryan On Jan 28, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Ugo Bellavance wrote: Tom DeReggi wrote: whether to give private or public address has nothing to do with cost. Oh, what are the thing to consider exactly? Regards, Ugo Bellavance -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Google - Grand Central
Hey if they want to adopt me, they can go ahead, I bet the allowance would be pretty good. ((218) 213-4272) Ryan On Jan 24, 2008, at 8:38 PM, George Rogato wrote: http://www.grandcentral.com/ Something tells me they will eventually adopt every person on earth and change our last names to Google. Of course there will be a little advertizement somehwere that can't be avoided any time we say our name :) -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Linux command question
Its been awhile since I used sed, and I can not figure out to read and write to the same file. Since you are doing this with a backup of the files, correct? Here is a way to make it work mkdir newfiles for file in `ls .`; do sed -e 's|../../Templates/||g' $file newfiles/$file echo done The edited files will be in newfiles/ Note: I used | instead of / for the delimiter, sed can use different delimiters as long as you are consistent in the script. http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html Ryan On Dec 15, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm not looking to remove the files, but to remove the text string ../../Templates/ from those files. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: [WISPA] Linux command question Would the following command remove ../../Templates/ from all files in the /home/devicsil/public_html/Templates directory? for file in ls /home/devicsil/public_html/Templates ; do sed -e 's/..\/..\/Templates\///g' $file echo done - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast Broadband Goes Underground
Don't forget google's foray into being an ISP http://www.google.com/tisp/ Ryan On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 09:31 -0800, George Rogato wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: That's a load of crap. ;-) Really, though, I had this idea before. Ahh, not so fast... I read an article at least 3 years ago about a guy in Salt Lake City that was already doing this. He had a robot, or a machine with a camera on it that dragged the fibers through the sewer pipes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Internet content liability bill...
It could have been this: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/06/1354232 Ryan On Dec 11, 2007, at 5:42 PM, Mark McElvy wrote: My wife mentioned someone on the radio talking about a bill/law passing through congress/senate trying to make ISPs responsible for things like kids getting into porn and what not. She caught the tail end of the conversation so did not get a lot of details. Anybody hear of anything like this? Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
Thats because in about a year, SP1 will be released and clear up the major problems.I consider the first version of any new MS OS to be a release candidate at best. Frankly if they do not clean up the Usability of Vista, it will be the OS the drives me completely to OS X or Linux. I already use the alternatives to windows a majority of the time anyways, its just certain programs that I still need windows (hint: Alvarion BreezeConfig for instance). But apple and the major linux distros are working to eliminating that need _without_ having to piece it together myself. These alternative OS's are also producing better products, I upgraded my old ibook to 10.5 without having to do any upgrade on the hardware, and 10.5 seems to be faster than 10.4. While part of this is because of the limited hardware Apple needs to support, they still were able to make major upgrades, support 2 hardware architectures, and it is still built better. The desktop linux distros are getting closer to products that anyone can use, again there is no hardware upgrade needed. You can see these alternatives are scaring MS, just look at graphics, Vista supports OpenGL as a software compatibility in DirectX, and its performance is poor. Why? Because they want to lock game developers to their proprietary system, so that those games cannot be ported to other OS's which I personally hope backfires on them. Microsoft needs to drop the monopolistic, proprietary attitude. Right now they can't even produce a standards compliant web browser because of their business tactics. Even Microsoft isn't using Vista on everything. They are pushing to get XO to upgrade the OLPC hardware to run XP, not vista, because they know they will never get vista to run on lower performance machines. They also know they will lose entire continents to Linux if the OLPC with linux becomes popular. Frankly a lot of people do not use vista because of compatibility and usability issues, once those are cleared up, right around SP1's release, I will give it a try again as a personal system. But it will be another 6 moths to a year until major corporations are ready to deploy it, They need to do regression testing, compatibility testing, upgrades, etc. System changes should never be attempted ad-hoc, unless you want to waste a lot of money and time. DELL is not to blame for the drivers, they don't produce the hardware, they put it into systems. blame the companies that make the components and chipsets, Intel, Broadcom, ATI, Nvidia, and etc. Also make sure that when you lay that blame on them, you need to make sure that the APIs available to them from MS were complete for vista. Microsoft's blame on the hardware issues is somewhat apparent, how many features were dropped, severely changed or rewritten during the much delayed release of Vista, they released it not because it was ready, but because they needed to do something Just as much has to be blamed on the software vendors that produce crap that runs on the OS, the numerous hacks that MS has to build into the new versions of each OS to support poorly written third party applications is ridiculous. Ryan On Dec 9, 2007, at 12:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Agreed. This happens with every OS release... It's OH SO HORRIBLE... but then in a year or so, everyone forgets their fabricated fears. I've been using Vista for about 4 months and have 0 issues with Vista itself. Sure, I've had problems with vendors who are slow to update software\drivers, but that's not Microsoft's fault... that's the fault of lazy vendors *cough* DELL *cough*. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question In a message dated 12/9/2007 11:25:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: dreaded MS Vista Why is everyone so down on Vista? I have been using it for a long time, starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without problems [laptops and PC's]. I think it is more a learning curve with so many changes from the earlier versions. Vista is here to stay and you should be learning it-not going backwards. Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301 ) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
If you want to stay in the unlicensed spectrum, you could check out the 24GHz range, it should be able to do 3 miles, not sure on the dish size though. Dragonwave has a product in that range. Ryan On Dec 9, 2007, at 10:25 PM, Felix A. Lopez wrote: Dragonwave and/or Orthogon are some others to consider. Some of my old customers use them here in the Bay Area, California. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] vlans
That should, now in order to do that you will need to have a separate subnet for each AP and the customers off of it (I believe). Have you done any packet sniffing to see if there is a lot of ARP requests? How many hosts do you have off of that tower? Ryan On Nov 18, 2007, at 10:02 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I will be the first to admit that I know very little about VLANs. I understand the concept and even how to configure them (somewhat). Currently our entire network is fully routed and switched without any VLANs. However, we are starting to see a problem on larger tower locations where we have 6-10 AP's all plugged into the same ethernet switch, and then into a router before it gets to our backbone. I think what we are seeing are ARP broadcast storms, etc. and it affects all the AP's on that switch at the same time. Ping times to customers and the AP's go up to 1500-2000ms, yet we never see the traffic on the router itself. My question is this: Could I enable VLANs on the switch, and put each AP into it's own VLAN and then make the port the router is plugged into the trunk port? Would this stop the broadcasts from affecting other AP's on that switch? Is there a better solution? What is everyone else doing? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PacWireless Sector
I think Tranzeo H. Sectors are Pac Wireless Antennas? We have also had good luck with Tranzeo Sectors, although the towers where we have them deployed are 100% Tranzeo (AP radio, antenna, and CPE). Ryan On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 16:34 -0700, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We have used a LOT of PacWireless 2.4ghz horizontal omni's and they work great. I have never used any PacWireless 2.4ghz sectors, but we do have some Tranzeo 2.4ghz sectors (horizontal) that work good and are affordable. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: I'm looking (again) at putting up another tower. The tower I have now is 5 GHz with two sectors of PacWireless and MTI. The MTI ones are outperforming the PacWireless ones, but I have never really looked into it. It could be because I bought a 5.4 GHz band antenna so I could do 5.3 or 5.7 with little loss. Anyway Looking at 2.4 GHz sectors for the new tower. The PacWireless ones are less than a third of the MTI. That's a big difference. Should I really expect that kind of performance difference? I would love to use all high-end equipment, but I'm still on a shoe-string budget. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy SA capabilities
Thanks Ryan -Original Message- From: Mike Bushard, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Canopy SA capabilities 2.5Mhz Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy SA capabilities Does anyone know what the MHz resolution of a canopy 2.4 CPE in SA mode? thanks, Ryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ [The entire original message is not included] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
You are correct. We bought all all three meg units. These can be upgraded to full speed SUs, we ended up upgrading one of our SUs to a full speed unit, the process is pretty simple, just request the key(s) through your supplier and enter it into the SU. We have been quite happy with our VL install, one of our first customers off of it is currently doing a 6 meg u/d package along with BGP peering with us, without the VL the setup would have been much more complicated. We used the VLAN tagging capabilities to bypass our normal edge router at the tower site and have them peer directly with our core router. It made it much simpler, and eliminated the need to upgrade our edge router to handle full routes. We did have to upgrade the VL SU to a full capable units since the first upgrade is to 6/4 meg rather than sysmetric 6/6 and the upload was what was important to the customer. Ryan On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Smith, Rick wrote: I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion fan, until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out the pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was very curious about... Thanks Patrick. One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units, and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be upgraded, right ? R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for the BreezeACCESS VL product line. The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the included antenna is already high gain. These units also include hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list before. While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price breaks trip per the following levels: Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349 Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325 Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299 Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275 Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a signing incentive bonus of your choice of either: - 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value) - One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300) - One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395) These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple, etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP into the program. Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any quantity. An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 Mbps full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed $250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54 Mbps CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum would be $824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to pay for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to pay for it. Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative (the entire set of all member CPE shipped each quarter). The additional discounts are automatic and are tripped at various levels. I should note also that no billing occurs until the CPE ships each quarter, so there is no advance payment required. When your ship date pops up each quarter (a date you set), then the units are drop shipped directly to you and the
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
Yes, it would have. Doing it this way will also help us avoid the extra packets per second through that edge router. The company we set this up for is a weather forecasting company and their usage will probably saturate their connection during peak times. The VLAN solution was still a simpler solution for us, and my limited BGP skills ;) Although I do not think multi-hop BGP would have been any harder, it just avoids the extra delay and load for us. Ryan On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Wouldn't BGP multi-hop have worked in this situation? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH You are correct. We bought all all three meg units. These can be upgraded to full speed SUs, we ended up upgrading one of our SUs to a full speed unit, the process is pretty simple, just request the key(s) through your supplier and enter it into the SU. We have been quite happy with our VL install, one of our first customers off of it is currently doing a 6 meg u/d package along with BGP peering with us, without the VL the setup would have been much more complicated. We used the VLAN tagging capabilities to bypass our normal edge router at the tower site and have them peer directly with our core router. It made it much simpler, and eliminated the need to upgrade our edge router to handle full routes. We did have to upgrade the VL SU to a full capable units since the first upgrade is to 6/4 meg rather than sysmetric 6/6 and the upload was what was important to the customer. Ryan On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Smith, Rick wrote: I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion fan, until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out the pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was very curious about... Thanks Patrick. One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units, and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be upgraded, right ? R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for the BreezeACCESS VL product line. The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the included antenna is already high gain. These units also include hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list before. While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price breaks trip per the following levels: Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349 Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325 Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299 Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275 Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a signing incentive bonus of your choice of either: - 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value) - One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300) - One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395) These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple, etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP into the program. Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any quantity. An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 Mbps full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed $250. In order to understand
[WISPA] Canopy SA capabilities
Does anyone know what the MHz resolution of a canopy 2.4 CPE in SA mode? thanks, Ryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
Sorry, I meant load and delay on that edge router ... not due to multi- hop. I should of read through that last email. Ryan On Nov 13, 2007, at 11:13 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Where would multi-hop have increased the delay and load? Just curious as we recently setup a multi-hop session from a client to us. The session doesn't appear to establish any different than local sessions. We also have several clients running BGP multi-hop through our network to the provider of their choice and this topic hasn't ever come up. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH Yes, it would have. Doing it this way will also help us avoid the extra packets per second through that edge router. The company we set this up for is a weather forecasting company and their usage will probably saturate their connection during peak times. The VLAN solution was still a simpler solution for us, and my limited BGP skills ;) Although I do not think multi-hop BGP would have been any harder, it just avoids the extra delay and load for us. Ryan On Nov 13, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Wouldn't BGP multi-hop have worked in this situation? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH You are correct. We bought all all three meg units. These can be upgraded to full speed SUs, we ended up upgrading one of our SUs to a full speed unit, the process is pretty simple, just request the key(s) through your supplier and enter it into the SU. We have been quite happy with our VL install, one of our first customers off of it is currently doing a 6 meg u/d package along with BGP peering with us, without the VL the setup would have been much more complicated. We used the VLAN tagging capabilities to bypass our normal edge router at the tower site and have them peer directly with our core router. It made it much simpler, and eliminated the need to upgrade our edge router to handle full routes. We did have to upgrade the VL SU to a full capable units since the first upgrade is to 6/4 meg rather than sysmetric 6/6 and the upload was what was important to the customer. Ryan On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Smith, Rick wrote: I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion fan, until I read this email, which very clearly and un-smugly laid out the pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was very curious about... Thanks Patrick. One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units, and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be upgraded, right ? R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for the BreezeACCESS VL product line. The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some level of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units can be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that level the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated unit with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the included antenna is already high gain. These units also include hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES and even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have Alvarion only type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list before. While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price breaks trip per the following levels: Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349 Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325 Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299 Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275 Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a signing incentive bonus of your choice of either: - 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value) - One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300) - One free WLP VoIP optimization software
Re: [WISPA] Which UPS to use?
A couple of the differeneces I see: the APC has a 2 year warranty vs 90 days on the generic one, also it looks like you can add a ethernet module to the APC for remote monitoring. also the Wattage output is 600W higher on the APC Not sure if that is worth twice the price though. Ryan On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 11:27 -0800, George Rogato wrote: I need to buy a few ups's for some remote pops. I was looking at APC and the place I buy stuff from had these: http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?ID=52353C=216S=-1 Is this worth buying, or should I go with APC at twice the price? http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SUA3000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflow
We capture flow-capture, part of flow-tools, from our Imagestream routers. As of right now I only use the data collected to track problems as needed. I found these helpful: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/08/18/Big_Scary_Daemons.html http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/09/15/Big_Scary_Daemons.html http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/09/15/Big_Scary_Daemons.html Ryan On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 21:18 -0700, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Anyone have any suggestions for a good Netflow package (collector, reporting, archiving, etc.)? I am mainly interested in AS Souce and Destination, along with protocol information (% of http, etc.). thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Downtilt Calculation
I have been meaning to ask this for a while. How does everyone figure their downtilt? Do you tilt down slightly more or less than 1/2 the vertical beamwidth? No downtilt? Anything else? As a real world example: We are re-deploying a tower and are moving from an omni to sectors, we are putting up tranzeo 13 db 120 degree sectors, with 13 degrees vertical beamwidth. The height of our equipment is about 220 ft, over pretty flat terrain. With such a setup, what would you do for the downtilt? Thanks, Ryan ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] short ptp link info
How about Dragon wave in UL 24GHz range? http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/products-airpair.asp Not making a recommendation, as I have never used dragonwave, I just know about the product. Ryan On Oct 9, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I am looking for a short (1 mile) point to point link solution for a client. Must be 100Mbps Full-duplex or faster. Prefer NOT 5.8ghz. Suggestions? Travis Microserv -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/products-airpair.asp ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] iPhone
I would not mind trying one, but GSM is not an option around here :( Ryan Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, About a week ago I decided to buy an iPhone off ebay (brand new) to play with... I wasn't planning on keeping it as my phone, but wanted to play to see what all the hype was about. We don't have ATT service in our area, so once the phone arrived I had to hack it to use Edge Wireless (a subsidiary of ATT/Cingular in our area, but not with iPhone support). After several hours, I got everything working... and I have to say I am keeping the phone! This is the coolest phone I have ever seen. The web browser is actually usable. You can listen to your music, look at pictures, check your email, etc. all on a beautiful touch screen. Everything is so easy to use and very responsive. It really is quite the phone compared with everything else I have looked at. Apple has done a great job for a first generation phone. Just wanted to share my $.02 worth. :) Travis Microserv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ?
We have a tranzeo PTP link directly south of an Air Force base (the link runs east-west), the East endpoint is right south of the base, less than 3 miles. We put it in the 5.8 range because it dropped once. Here is the DFS info we have: Channel RADAR EventsTime Since Last Event Current Status 124 130 days Available 116 130 days Available 120 16 7.20 days Available Another device on that tower, facing east, shows no DFS events. ryan On Oct 2, 2007, at 7:01 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: No but I'll tell you that the wireline providers are using the DFS2 issue as a major negative against us. I'm getting asked about it, alot from prospects. It would be nice to learn very few are effected by it, for building possitive public perception. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.4 GHz ? Hi folks, So how many of you using it have experienced the DFS2 kicking in? I am curious because we are not getting many reports where radars are forcing the radios to vacate and move to another channel. We are getting asked this a lot of late since we released our 5.4 PMP, but so far we don't see the radars much. IF you have a story, please indicate if you are rural, rural coastal, etc. Also how about 5.3 GHz. DFS2 is now mandatory there but I don't think we have any case where those found a radar. Thanks, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/2007 12:07 PM -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix
Yup. On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 19:58 -0700, George Rogato wrote: Are the pictures coming up for you? http://www.netflix.com/BrowseSelection?sgid=2190 Sam Tetherow wrote: http://www.netflix.com/Register looks fine to me. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless George Rogato wrote: Anyone else having a problem viewing the images at netflix.com? All the images are coming up broken links ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ a href=http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,46fd8ccd53576915342732;!DSPAM:16,46fd8ccd53576915342732!/a ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone doing remote backup for customers?
I think Mac means more on the storage side. RBS sends encrypted files to the remote server. the type where if the key is lost, so are your files. And the files are worthless without the key. It is fine and dandy to have an encrypted network, but if the remote backup server has unencrypted files you are in trouble (If I wanted to steal data I would go for the central server rather than the single connection, bigger payday). Depending on something like simple zip file passwords is laughable at best; maybe it has better encryption than that, I don't know. That being said, except for our issues with scheduling in RBS, it has been very good. On Sep 21, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: If they need high security, set them up with a router capable of AES or 3DES. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 7:24 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Anyone doing remote backup for customers? I think the real question I would ask - - going over a wireless link is: WHERE THE HECK IS THE SECURITY? I mean you are going to back up someone's books with no (encryption) (like blowfish) security? I am not talking WEP either! What about restoring the client's data? Is that something that that will take intervention on your part? How about the client's ability to access his backups 24/7 in case of emergency reinstall? Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Muto Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone doing remote backup for customers? We use Handy Back Up as well and have been very pleased with it. Actually as someone else said they now use WinZip over HBU, we use both depending on the job at hand. The sync feature on HBU works great for linking files from desktop to laptop or mirroring external storage drives. http://www.handybackup.net/ Another backup program we use is NTI's Shadow for real time or scheduled backups. I like the real time backup when working with regular daily files, which are saved to external storage drives each time the file changes. We also use NTI's Backup Now and Drive Backup. http://www.ntius.com Frank Muto FSM Marketing Group, Inc www.secureemailplus.com - Original Message - From: rabbtux rabbtux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marlon, have a link for it? On 9/20/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We use handy backup. It's not really popular yet. We may be over charging for space. The bitch of it is that people could totally screw our network up with all of the backups, even if they backup to our servers! Marlon - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] All I can say is that we have been doing off site remote backups for several years - for many Gov't facilities, personal business and even a few individuals. We chose this: http://remote-backup.com/ software and it has been the greatest, most trouble free software I have ever used. Not one moment's trouble in years. Mac - - - - ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** - - - - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - - - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on
RE: [WISPA] Anyone doing remote backup for customers?
Mac: I wonder what we are doing wrong then, we have been using RBS for 3 years, and it has been a pita. The scheduling problems have been the major problem (its scheduler is crap for us). Are you using the RBS native task scheduler, or running via Windows's task scheduler? That is the major gripe about it though, other than that it has been good. Thanks, Ryan On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 14:19 -0600, Mac Dearman wrote: All I can say is that we have been doing off site remote backups for several years - for many Gov't facilities, personal business and even a few individuals. We chose this: http://remote-backup.com/ software and it has been the greatest, most trouble free software I have ever used. Not one moment's trouble in years. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone doing remote backup for customers? I've been looking at an open source application called backuppc and considering offering remote backup service to some customers. I appreciate the wisdom and experience of the group here. Any suggestions on how best to offer this service? Any software suggestions for this? I would like to have the backup on my servers. any turn-key solution suggestions? Thank you kindly, Marshall --- - ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Flexible antenna certification
(inline comments) On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 08:32 -0700, Patrick Leary wrote: Wow, that's a big surprise since it is a 180 degree contradiction to what Julie and his staff told us at the FCC after the rule was released. But I am good with it. It is a flexibility that makes sense. As a manufacturer, the only head ache is that providing tech support is more a challenge since we don't know the characteristics of substitute antennas from the stand point of best practices for co-location, separation and general performance. WISPs just need to be aware of that. I had always thought the rules on it were that way, actually I thought I had originally heard that from a Alvarion Engineer, I could be wrong though. Also I have only worked for a WISP for a year, so that change could have been made before I heard it. I remember the day some years back when Sting Communications in Maryland was forced to change out dozens of antennas at tower sites because they chose an antenna that was not part of the certified combination, even though the antenna did not violate power rules. At least this means that WISPs no longer have that risk. Instead they have the risk of authorized 3rd party vendors (someone they use because they don't know propagation models) telling/selling them the wrong antenna (not FCC certified for the gain even), and not explaining the propagation models of antennas. I went through that 2 days of troubleshooting once, and I don't want to again. Ryan Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit Alvarion at WiMAX World Chicago, September 25-27 Booth #409 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 12:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible antenna certification Patrick, I asked the certification lab/TCB that I work with to answer this question. They replied that it is their interpretation that a WISP can use any antenna /of the same type and of equal or lesser gain as an antenna that is authorized with the intentional radiator. /Here's the text from 47 CRF 15.204(c)(4): Any antenna that is of the same type and of equal of less gain directional gain as an antenna that is authorized with the intentional radiator may be marketed with, and used with, that intentional radiator. No retesting of this system configuration is required. The marketing or use of a system configuration that employs an antenna of a different type, or that operates at a higher gain, than the antenna authorized with the intentional radiator is not permitted unless the procedures specified in S2.1043 of this chapter are followed. 47 CFR 15.204(c)(3) says: Manufacturers shall supply a list of acceptable antenna types with the application for equipment authorization of the intentional radiator. 47 CFR 15.204(c)(1) says: The antenna type, as used in this paragraph, refers to antennas that have similar in-band and out-of-band radiation patterns. I can see how the lab and TCB could conclude that WISPs can substitute antennas per these regulations. If the manufacturer specifies a range of acceptable antenna types (not specific makes or model numbers) then per 15.204, the WISP can select the specific make and model of antenna to use. I know FCC regulations are often somewhat vague and however it's possible that the FCC regulations may have been revised and loosened slightly since your FCC visit. Perhaps there is now a basis for the myth. jack Patrick Leary wrote: Thanks Jack. I know what they are going to say (that I am correct), but it is something that has to be repeated often since the myth is so persistent. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit Alvarion at WiMAX World Chicago, September 25-27 Booth #409 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Flexible antenna certification Patrick, In an attempt to get an up-to-date interpretation on this point, I just emailed the Certification Lab that I work with to get their interpretation of this rule. I'll post their answer as soon as I receive it in the next few days. jack Patrick Leary wrote: Mike, You are right, but you, as an operator, cannot make the choice or decide on your own what antenna toi uses, even if it has similar propagation patterns and a lower dBi. The FCC still requires the burden to be on the manufacturers to add antennas, it just does not make us go through the wringer now for every change. I do not know how many times I have to explain this on the various lists, but
Re: [WISPA] Anyone sell/setup webcams with their wireless service?
On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 10:08 -0700, rabbtux rabbtux wrote: Just looking for suggestions. Would like to offer a simple indoor webcam we can sell preconfigured to new wireless customers. This is a new reason for those with second homes to buy our year round service for them. Any camera suggestions? we're looking at panasonic BL-C30A for this use. Any cautions or encouragements for adding this to our menu of offerings? Appreciate your feedback! along the same lines, I am not sure what your climate is like but: http://www.qasupplies.com/temptrax.html (think frozen pipes) Thanks, Marshall ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IP Assignments
On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 15:27 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: I'm not sure when it was changed, but you need one less bit of address space to get your own, direct allocation. http://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four222 You now only need two /24s to request your own /22 from Arin. If you are multi-homed you can request a /24 immediately. I thought that proposed policy was rejected. I thought the smallest was /22 -Ryan -Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: rural WISP testers needed
Patrick, What do you have for more information. I would be interested in it. I just need to run it past Phil and Dave. Thanks, Ryan Patrick Leary wrote: Hi folks, We are looking for a handful of WISPs to do some product testing on an entirely new WISP multipoint product line from Alvarion. You need not be a current Alvarion WISP (and this is not intended for those with BreezeACCESS VL networks). The line is intended for the most cost sensitive markets, especially on the residential side. No big strings attached, but testers would be required to provide detailed feedback on performance as well as overall value. I am looking for testers who are in deep rural areas and I am interested in a sampling which could include U.S., Canada and the Caribbean. Please contact me OFFLIST, but only if you are serious. I can't offer more detail on the product in this mail, but the whole WISP market will know about it in short order. Again, please reach out offlist. Patrick Leary AVP, Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit Alvarion at WiMAX World Chicago, September 25-27 Booth #409 This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Amps
I agree with Scottie, great info thanks. Ryan On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 16:14 -0500, Scottie Arnett wrote: Thanks Blake. This will help me tremendously on the correct way to go about this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Amps I hope this will be accepted onto the list - no discussion - just info. Anyone wants to slam me please do it in a private email. http://www.rfsolutions.com/consumers.pdf ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.7/992 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 8:36 AM ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles
Since you are on their network, I would simply relay the email through their server, the lookup will be sent through for server which should have a proper rDNS, you may need to set an SPF record for the mail server, but that should work ( I have done it like that on a dynamic IP before) On Sep 4, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Jason wrote: I was afraid of that. These satellite guys are kind of like an onion. There are layers and layers where no one is sure who to work with or where to go. The ip address space is owned by a company that is three or four layers up in the reseller chain (I'm told that they own the dish on the other end). Is there no work-around (like the dynamic ip guys or something)? I hate to get that cheesy anyway Can you tell I'm desperate?! Jason Mark Nash wrote: You must deal with whoever is authoritative in that address space, probably your immediate upstream provider. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http:// www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles Gang, I have started having trouble with my customers email getting bounced because other servers are checking the reverse dns, which fails to resolve to my domain because my network is served by a satellite connection (I'm the epitome of rural). Does anyone know of a work-around, or do I have to convince my upstream they need to change it to resolve to my domain (which may be hard to get to happen.). If I have to work with my upstream, how should I go about this / approach it. FYI, they are ses-americom.com. The company I purchased the domain through and who handles the regular dns lookup (domain to ip) says they can not help me because the IP is not in their IP address space. Jason -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http:// lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/ Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- AV Spam Filtering by M+Guardian - Risk Free Email (TM) --- -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php **
Re: [WISPA] DIY Server Questions
While I would free comfortable building my own servers (the OS setup is custom). I buy hardware from Dell. Its solid server equipment and very easy to work with. I would recommend checking into buying servers prebuilt. While building your own seems to be cheaper. there are numerous added benefits features that are found by buying prebuilt. I would suggest looking at getting a vendor account with dell, you can gain some discounts. The design of Dells rackmount hardware is terrific. Almost Hot Swap everything, tool-less (quick to replace something if you need to do it as down time), smart systems to handle cooling, remote management cards, and clear upgrade paths. Do not buy 1U imo, its expensive and you only gain 1U and an unupgradeable server. Plan your systems to last 3-5 years. Look at using some virtualization software, in the long run it will be helpful, there are numerous free versions. If you buy rack mount hardware make sure to look at the mounting rails, Dell's rails are the best I have seen. I would suggest buying a square hole rack. they are the most flexible for mounting methods. Remember to look at how you are going to run cables, you will have more than you expect. Don't forget room for backup power / batteries. Find a generator that can be powered by dual fuel (propane / Diesel) If you plan on building a data center to support sell space to business, look at cages. and a method for 24 hour access. Depending on how many servers you are planning on buying, and if you buy from a vendor. See what you can get for free from them. There is a good chapter in Oreilly's Network Warrior about power and cooling planning. As for the OS: 1) centralize the following - Logging (syslog) - Authentication (AAA) - Security (tripwire) 2) Look at putting config files in revision control (will make it easy to reverse changes) 3) Do not make Backup systems an afterthought 4) Design it with two networks (management and external) 5) Document everything, I would suggest having a Ticketing system in place for any change that gets made, nothing gets changed without a Ticket, even if you are the only person that makes changes. 6) Trending, anything that can be monitored, do it. Troubleshooting is much easier if you know what has changed. Debian is by far my favorite choice of distros. FreeBSD/OpenBSD is great for firewalls with pf and carp for redundancy. Ubuntu LTS server for anything I that I need more up to date software. Fedora has Red Hat's Directory Server (with an excellent management interface) Again, Documentation is going to be your best friend Hope that helps, Ryan On Aug 29, 2007, at 6:02 PM, Jory Privett wrote: You can get racks from lots of places. I would check with someplace local since shipping them can get expensive. For rackmount cases any good PC parts retailer should have them from 1U up to match any configuration you might want. I would suggest getting something with a common power supply. Some of the smaller units have custom ones that are not readily available if it dies. I run all of my server on the AMD platform and have for over 7 years now. I still have a couple of my original servers in production and they still perform well for their job. Compared against the Intel they perform just as well and are much cheaper. For Disk drives I would suggest Seagate or Western Digital, I am not a fan of anything else out there. Asus makes a good product but so does Gigabyte, MSI, and any other main stream manufacturer. For the OS I would run Debian. It is very flexible and secure and has lots of packages available. It is simple to install BIND for DNS, FreeRadius for AAA, Freeside for billing, and Cacti for monitoring/graphing and all of the background apps that are required. FreeBSD and Fedora are also very popular. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Dave Brenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 4:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] DIY Server Questions Hi Gang! I'm finally, at long last building my Network Operations Center and would love to hear recommendations from the brave souls out there that build their own hardware. I'm looking for recommendations for motherboards, rack-mount case vendors, Rack vendors, etc. I must admit I have a bias against Intel-based systems, but would defer to experience supporting an Intel platform. I will in every instance be running on flavor or another of Linux for all my OS needs, should that have a bearing on the response. My previous experience favors ASUS motherboards, and good name-brand memory devices. I have lost faith in most of the Disc Drive makers, however Shugart's 5 year warranty is tempting me in their direction. Any thoughts, comments, etc are welcomed. If appropriate, you may contact me of list. Dave Brenton General Manager Rural
Re: [WISPA] DIY Server Questions
I agree get a server motherboard, both tyan and supermicro make good
server level boards (I prefer supermicro) they come with options for
ipmi management and other excellent features.
Ryan
On Aug 29, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
A Tyan or SuperMicro would make a better motherboard.
--Mike
- Original Message - From: Dave Brenton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 4:35 PM
Subject: [WISPA] DIY Server Questions
Hi Gang!
I'm finally, at long last building my Network Operations Center
and would love to hear recommendations from the brave
souls out there that build their own hardware.
I'm looking for recommendations for motherboards,
rack-mount case vendors, Rack vendors, etc.
I must admit I have a bias against Intel-based systems,
but would defer to experience supporting an Intel platform.
I will in every instance be running on flavor or another of Linux
for all my OS needs, should that have a bearing on the response.
My previous experience favors ASUS motherboards, and
good name-brand memory devices. I have lost faith in most
of the Disc Drive makers, however Shugart's 5 year warranty
is tempting me in their direction.
Any thoughts, comments, etc are welcomed.
If appropriate, you may contact me of list.
Dave Brenton
General Manager
Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband, LLC
3430 Highway 49
Dover TN 37058
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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931.827.4181 (home)
931.627.1142 (cell - when not in cell-hell)
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Re: [WISPA] 2.4ghz antennas
We have two towns deployed with 3 of the TR-24H-120-16 without problems. Both towers are grain elevators. the one is only about 80 feet, and we have one customer over 10 miles out. The other location has alot of trees in full leaf and it is working great even with 15db CPEs. Both locations are 100% tranzeo, APs and CPEs. (Actually there is 1 200mw prism bridge on one, but that is temporary) Both of those towns are fed mainly with tranzeo PTP links also. We are seeing very good speeds, although customer usage is also very low at this point. We have had both towers deployed since June, without any issues. Ryan On Aug 24, 2007, at 3:41 PM, J. Vogel wrote: I have a couple of the TR-24H-120-16 Product.aspx?Id=61629view=4 antennas in service for a few months, so far I am very happy with them. They look to be well built and are performing to expectation. I haven't had them long enough to give a full recommendation, but so far real good. Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Anyone have any experience with Tranzeo's TR-24H-120-16 Product.aspx?Id=61629view=4 or TR-24H-120-13 sector antennas? Product.aspx?Id=61629view=4 thanks, Travis Microserv* * - --- - --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available til August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises, LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available til August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available til August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Potential Wireless Access Point converted to a Home
Way too many steps: http://materialicio.us/2007/08/22/converted-water-tower-zecc-architechten/ ;) Ryan ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available til August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speedtest
Travis, Yea, we actually host one of their public speedtest.net sites (Grand Forks ND), the only requirement from them is you have at least 40 mb upload. The most popular locations see a max of 10 mb/s usage, in bursts. You can also get some interesting reporting (IPs and speeds) from them when you host a site for them. With hosting their public one, its free. Ryan On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 14:19 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I recently found a very cool, fairly accurate web-based speed test program. You can get a trial version off their website at speedtest.net. It's Flash based (on the client side only) and runs very well under linux and apache. The catch is they want $400 PER YEAR for this program. Has anyone seen something similiar for less (or even a one-time cost)? We have two other free ones (a Java based one) and another that does download only already installed... but this Flash one seems to be the most accurate, and also does upload tests. thanks, Travis Microserv Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available til August 31 ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available til August 31 ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers
Can these be easily used with gloves on? If so, I will probably look at getting some of these and a couple of the crimpers for winter, last winter we had to replace a link in -20 F with a nasty wind we were barely able to get it done in the cold. Ryan On Aug 15, 2007, at 4:52 PM, George Rogato wrote: Funny, I can do them both in about the same time. George Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Time George, time. I can do a connector, perfectly, every time, in 1/4th of the time that it takes the old way. And I NEVER have to redo them. Yeah it sucks paying $.50 for a connector, but my time and my sanity are worth it! And ONE call back because of a flaky connector covers my connector costs for years. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers I know those EZ's are easy, but they are expensive. Why don't you just learn to use the cheap ones and get it right. Why ay more if you don't have to? George Mike Hammett wrote: The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA sometimes. What are some nice connectors and crimpers to use? The female ends I use are really easy to put in the right order (and stay there), they don't have to be the exact length, etc. That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some shielded cable. I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for shielded cable. Suggestions on this route are appreciated as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Thanks Everyone - OT
We are really close to having one of our first bigger accounts with VL, 6 U/D and some advanced services with it (BGP and some other redunancy services). Its not a big bandwidth piece, but we are filling a void in our area. It will be interesting to see where it goes. :) Ryan On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 21:24 -0700, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Coolness. I'm probably only a month away from ordering my first batch of VL. Looking forward to it. You still thinking of coming up here next month? I sent an off list note but I don't think you are getting them from me. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 1:48 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thanks Everyone - OT You do have major price drops through the COMNET program (sub $300 VL CPE for the CPE that lists for $995), resulting in MUCH more humble margins. Remember that that gross is across all product sets, to include BreezeMAX and right now, since operators are just now building out, the numbers reflect a strong mix of infrastructure relative to CPE. - Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 1:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thanks Everyone - OT yeah, looks like a dang good reason for some price drops to me! lol marlon - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thanks Everyone - OT Congrats Patrick. Gross margin of 51% I wish I could do that on this end. LOL. -- Original Message -- From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 07:40:00 -0700 Just a note of appreciation to all our customers for enabling us to report an excellent Q2 quarterly report today, which beat the street estimates. Highlights include: - Record revenues of $57.5 million, up 31% from Q2 2006; - Record BreezeMAX(TM) revenues of $27.9 million; - Gross margin of 51%; - Non-GAAP EPS of $0.03; GAAP EPS of $0.00; - Commercial WiMAX deployments of 170, up from 150 in Q1 - About 40 802.16e mobile WiMAX trials (about 2x claimed by any competitor) - Major new ecosystem partners such as Bridgewater and Arraycom (for beamforming) - Positive operating cash flow of $2.6 million, growing cash to about $122M - Revising Y over Y growth to 25-30% http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070801/20070731006573.html?.v=1 And more central to the WISP front, one of the other up surprises is that our non-WiMAX business continued to grow, thanks mostly in part to our North American BreezeACCESS VL and BreezeNET B100 customers. I want WISPs to know that even with the heavy investments on the WiMAX side, we continue to invest in our UL solutions and we consider our work on the unlicensed front as a major part of our business. In the near term this means you already place orders for 5.4 GHz BreezeACCESS VL, as well as 5.3 GHz and of course 5.8 GHz. We hope to bring you other bands for unlicensed in the not-to-distant future as well. Thanks again to all, Regards, Patrick Alvarion ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). ** ** ** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** ** -- -- Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. Would you like to see your
[WISPA] Purcell Rac 35
Does anyone have a sale contact for Purcell enclosures, I have a Rac 35 that I would like to get an AC unit for, I have been unsuccessful in getting ahold of someone within Purcell. Email me off-list. Thanks, Ryan -- Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!
Honestly to find a cell phone or single device that is the prefect sysadmin device is a pipe dream imo. Here is one more thing for you to look at though. http://www.oqo.com/products/model02/features.html The price may make you jump though. Ryan On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 13:37 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote: Mac Dearman wrote: A real life example would be sitting at the ball park - NMS sends a text that whatever is down - pick up the cell phone telnet into the whatever device and take care of business. Surely you can see the simplicity in what we are looking for, but for some reason you feel the need to do whatever it is that you are doing with this thread. I don't see the simplicity at all. If you want to reboot a device remotely from a cell phone then I can see the simplicity and point you to a cheap solution. If you want to managed a variety of different devices with a variety of management interfaces and be able to manage every part of them then I don't see any simplicity. The difference between the former and the later is the discreteness of the task. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go!
I am going to go off-topic here a little with a story. I have been working for InvisiMax for a little over a year now. I do not know who knows the history of this company for the last 1.5 years but we are just finishing up going through a very rough stage in the companies existence. Six months before I was hired one of the partners and System Admin/Designer/RD guy was rushed to the ER with heart failure. While he survived the rush to the ER, he was diagnosed with cancer. For six months, the network was without an Admin. There were numerous issues that existed, BGP problems, failing hardware, bad CPEs. One of the worse things was ZERO documentation. Much of our network is a proprietary system, developed by the RD guy. My first year of working for InvisiMax was 110% firefighting, and long hours understanding the network. Now, we have pushed past these issues and are on a path moving forward. But, still one lingering issue exist, and that is where vital information is locked away ... in my head now. While I have pushed alot of information on to our Operation Manager, there is still some of the high level stuff that he would not understand. So how does this relate? The Major issue for InvisiMax was knowledge and the fact that it did not exist anywhere but in someone's head. From the sounds of it certain things on your network exist in the same manner. I suggest fixing that problem first. Get documentation started for everything you do on a daily basis, any network issue that happens, write down the cause, the effect, the diagnosis, and the fix. Get one of the other people working for you to read and understand the problems, and the common diagnostics that can be done(don't forget to given them a reason to want to do this, $$$ or other benefit). This is where I am at now, any thing I have learned to setup, is getting written down in an internal wiki, I am redeveloping our ticketing system to force me to write fixes down, cause otherwise laziness will get the best of my efforts. Once you have this, a plain old voice plan cell phone is what you will need. If a problem arises, while you are out, have that documentation and the person on the other end of the call be your smart phone. With the proper documentation most problems should be fixable remotely this way. And with someone else understanding your network, you will sleep better at night ... I know I am starting to. And in the long run, if I ever decided to move on, or The Bus catches me, things will continue to be fine, and the next person that manages my network will not have the struggle I did. Ryan On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 15:29 -0400, Matt Liotta wrote: David E. Smith wrote: I refuse to tether myself to my job. I've done that over the last few years, and I'm not doing it any longer. I do accept, though, that there are some things that, out of the eight or so employees working under my boss, I'm the only one who knows them. The ability to fix things remotely is essential to our business and to my sanity. (Fun fact: I value the second of those much more highly than the first.) As much as I'd love to be completely incommunicado for a few days here and there, it's not practical; I believe this has the potential to be a viable substitute. First, you suggest that you are looking for a device of certain requirements. Now you suggest that the device is essential to your business. Yet, you don't even know if such a device exists. I continue to think you are attempting to solve the wrong problem. What device is going to save your business when you get hit by bus (in a metaphorical sense). You claim it doesn't exist; I'm still in a blissful state of doubt and confusion. Hence my original question about what handhelds will work with SSH the way I need 'em to. :) I believe at lease one other person referred to your desire as a pipe dream. Geez, where do you live? Sounds like the data service is even worse than here, and that's pretty hard to come by. :P I live in Atlanta where the data service is actually quite fast. The problem with cell phones is not the speed of the data service though. My copy of Opera Mini on a two-year-old Sprint phone that I picked up used on eBay for a hundred bucks works better than yours, at least from your description. Have you tried such common tasks as getting directions or checking movie times? I am sure if you set up a proper test with two people --one using a cell phone browser and the other making a cell phone call-- the phone call will win hands down. Is this a statement of I've used SSH and found it wanting, or I haven't done this but I don't think it'd work? Of course I have used SSH. That was one of the applications I was planning on using when I bought the phone. I have since learned my lesson. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] canopy backhaul
IF you mean the PTP series, we have many of them installed, they are pretty rock solid. The issues we have had with them are: 1) At one of our tower locations we have 4 of them installed, every once in a while their spectrum analysis (finding a clean channel) and DFS will play havoc with each other one will switch channel and the rest cascade changing channels. During this time the bitrate drops. This is solvable by either blocking channels, or manually setting the channel for the link. 2) I had a power supply for one die last weekend, not sure what caused this to happen yet. 3) The company I work for started installing them before I started with them. When they started with the link distance capabilities of the integrated links were exaggerated, so we have some at distances that caused some issues, this was a failure on the company we bought them from, not the equipment. Ryan On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 09:44 -0400, chris cooper wrote: Anyone have opinions good or bad regarding canopy backhauls? Reliability and uptime? Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Quick Apache Help
Can you post your config too? Ryan On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 11:59 -0400, Carl A jeptha wrote: My web guy is in hospital - long story short - getting an error and need to bring up sites right now. What do i know about apache, about the same as I'm being paid - zero. :-) I need to do this like yesterday? So I am on a very sharp learning curve. Here's an error I'm getting: Executing /etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd restart .. Stopping httpd: [ OK ] Starting httpd: [Wed Aug 01 11:35:54 2007] [warn] VirtualHost www.goldenbeachestates.ca:80 overlaps with VirtualHost www.cobourgyachtclub.ca:80, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive [Wed Aug 01 11:35:54 2007] [warn] VirtualHost www.trussworthy.ca:80 overlaps with VirtualHost www.goldenbeachestates.ca:80, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive [Wed Aug 01 11:35:54 2007] [warn] VirtualHost www.cayita.com:80 overlaps with VirtualHost www.trussworthy.ca:80, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive [Wed Aug 01 11:35:54 2007] [warn] VirtualHost www.fbparch.com:80 overlaps with VirtualHost www.cayita.com:80, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive [Wed Aug 01 11:35:54 2007] [warn] VirtualHost www.castleton.ca:80 overlaps with VirtualHost www.fbparch.com:80, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive [Wed Aug 01 11:35:54 2007] [warn] VirtualHost www.isowall.ca:80 overlaps with VirtualHost www.castleton.ca:80, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive [Wed Aug 01 11:35:54 2007] [warn] VirtualHost www.hamiltontownship.ca:80 overlaps with VirtualHost www.isowall.ca:80, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive [Wed Aug 01 11:35:54 2007] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts [ OK ] I don't know what it means -- You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] self inflicted interference
I am by no means a RF guy, I am still figuring out that side of being a wisp myself. The one question I have is; could the interference be through the LMR? Ryan On Jul 25, 2007, at 10:24 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I thought about that. But then it's too hard to change channels. There are other operators in the area and I need the ability to change things around as needed. marlon - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] self inflicted interference Look into some high Q cavity filters. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I just completely rebuilt a tower site. It had inconsistent speeds and I'd hit the point that I normally change things around. When I hit 50 people to a tower I'll sectorize it. On this tower I had an omni at about 25' (the hill is 700 feet over the valley) and a 15dB integrated Tranzeo ap at about 15'. Omni was vertical, sector was horizontal. I rented a manlift and put an hpol maxrad wisp series 120* adjustable beam sector at about 45', a vertical at 37ish and another horizontal at about 30. All antennas are also 6 to 8' horizontally separated. Each on a standoff attached to the different legs of the tower. All antennas are fed with lmr600 and the radios are right beside each other at the base of the tower (I'm too chicken to climb so the radios stay where I can get to them). Here's my problem, with all of the radios on and transmitting the speeds are worse than before for most customers. The sector to the west has 2 customers and sits at the 30' level and is hpol. Those two customers get around 4 megs down and up. The sector to the north east is vertical and a customer at 10ish miles gets .7 to 1.5 megs down and .25 to .5 up. The sector to the south east is hpol and sits at the 45 or 50' level. Customers get .6 to 1.5 down and .1 to .5 up. Unplug any two radios and speeds hit the 2 to 3 meg, sometimes 4 meg speed for all customers on that system. Plug the other one back in and speeds drop back down. The hpol maxrad antennas have a 30dB fb ratio. I've not yet looked at the patterns lately, as I recall they are pretty good though. APs are Teletronics 11-152s with metal cases. I've had GREAT luck with ALL of these components at other sites. Just never all at the same time and place like this. As most of you know, most of my coverage areas are VERY low density so I tend to use a lot of omni antennas, or am mounted on hills that have no coverage behind them so only one or two sectors are used. The two systems that interfere with each other the most are north east and south east. One's hpol one's vpol. They are on channel 1 and 9. To get things working MUCH better than they were before, I've replaced the north east and south east radios with Tranzeo ap's. I also moved the southeast antenna (actually put up a new one) back down to the roof of the shack. It's also a Tranzeo ap now. It, however, now sits in front of, though much lower than the west antenna, both are hpol though. If the channels are anywhere near the same for west and southeast the folks to the west get really slow speeds. I also moved the antennas on the tower further apart, they are now at least 5 or 6 feet apart from each other. I don't know how much that helped as I changed one of the radios to a Tranzeo at that same time. This helped but didn't fix the speed and consistency problem. That's when I moved the south east system back down where I could more easily get to it. Things still aren't as consistent as they need to be. If one system gets busy the others slow down. Any ideas? My first thought is to try a REALLY high end access point or two. You'd think those systems could sit side beside when using channels so far apart from each other. It's like the new radios are soo sensitive that they will pick up the noise close to them no matter what. OR, more likely, that the new, cheaper, gear has really really sensitive radios but with rotten side band isolation on both tx and rx. Any ideas? Radios/antennas to try? Changing the radios is easy. Getting a manlift back out to change the antennas will suck big time (due to the stand offs it would be too hard/dangerous to change antennas from the tower). thanks, marlon Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp
Re: [WISPA] self inflicted interference
I just realized I phrased that poorly, could the interference be radiating from the LMR rather than across the radios or antennas? On Jul 25, 2007, at 10:59 PM, Ryan Langseth wrote: I am by no means a RF guy, I am still figuring out that side of being a wisp myself. The one question I have is; could the interference be through the LMR? Ryan On Jul 25, 2007, at 10:24 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I thought about that. But then it's too hard to change channels. There are other operators in the area and I need the ability to change things around as needed. marlon - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] self inflicted interference Look into some high Q cavity filters. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I just completely rebuilt a tower site. It had inconsistent speeds and I'd hit the point that I normally change things around. When I hit 50 people to a tower I'll sectorize it. On this tower I had an omni at about 25' (the hill is 700 feet over the valley) and a 15dB integrated Tranzeo ap at about 15'. Omni was vertical, sector was horizontal. I rented a manlift and put an hpol maxrad wisp series 120* adjustable beam sector at about 45', a vertical at 37ish and another horizontal at about 30. All antennas are also 6 to 8' horizontally separated. Each on a standoff attached to the different legs of the tower. All antennas are fed with lmr600 and the radios are right beside each other at the base of the tower (I'm too chicken to climb so the radios stay where I can get to them). Here's my problem, with all of the radios on and transmitting the speeds are worse than before for most customers. The sector to the west has 2 customers and sits at the 30' level and is hpol. Those two customers get around 4 megs down and up. The sector to the north east is vertical and a customer at 10ish miles gets .7 to 1.5 megs down and .25 to .5 up. The sector to the south east is hpol and sits at the 45 or 50' level. Customers get .6 to 1.5 down and .1 to .5 up. Unplug any two radios and speeds hit the 2 to 3 meg, sometimes 4 meg speed for all customers on that system. Plug the other one back in and speeds drop back down. The hpol maxrad antennas have a 30dB fb ratio. I've not yet looked at the patterns lately, as I recall they are pretty good though. APs are Teletronics 11-152s with metal cases. I've had GREAT luck with ALL of these components at other sites. Just never all at the same time and place like this. As most of you know, most of my coverage areas are VERY low density so I tend to use a lot of omni antennas, or am mounted on hills that have no coverage behind them so only one or two sectors are used. The two systems that interfere with each other the most are north east and south east. One's hpol one's vpol. They are on channel 1 and 9. To get things working MUCH better than they were before, I've replaced the north east and south east radios with Tranzeo ap's. I also moved the southeast antenna (actually put up a new one) back down to the roof of the shack. It's also a Tranzeo ap now. It, however, now sits in front of, though much lower than the west antenna, both are hpol though. If the channels are anywhere near the same for west and southeast the folks to the west get really slow speeds. I also moved the antennas on the tower further apart, they are now at least 5 or 6 feet apart from each other. I don't know how much that helped as I changed one of the radios to a Tranzeo at that same time. This helped but didn't fix the speed and consistency problem. That's when I moved the south east system back down where I could more easily get to it. Things still aren't as consistent as they need to be. If one system gets busy the others slow down. Any ideas? My first thought is to try a REALLY high end access point or two. You'd think those systems could sit side beside when using channels so far apart from each other. It's like the new radios are soo sensitive that they will pick up the noise close to them no matter what. OR, more likely, that the new, cheaper, gear has really really sensitive radios but with rotten side band isolation on both tx and rx. Any ideas? Radios/antennas to try? Changing the radios is easy. Getting a manlift back out to change the antennas will suck big time (due to the stand offs it would be too hard/ dangerous to change antennas from the tower). thanks, marlon --- - Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts
Re: [WISPA] RB 133c
Out of curiousity what is Super Cheap with an rb setup like this? Ryan Brian Rohrbacher wrote: 6 meg would do. I would install a higher cpu unit later. Brian JohnnyO wrote: Don't use 133s for backhauls. You will NOT get 12meg-15meg We have a 133 in place that is at 100% CPU utilization at 6meg with very very little else going on other then traffic. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB 133c 12-15 meg.. depending on rules, connection tracking off may get you more. On 7/20/07, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Guys, I am trying to build some super cheap backhauls. How much traffic could I pass with the 133 and a couple of sr5, and would I want a level 3 or 4 lic? Thanks, Brian Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.mikrotikconsulting.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Enterprise Class RouterOS: www.mikrotikrouter.com Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ping
Larry Yunker wrote: Ping? Pong Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 5 Ghz - Avoiding RADAR
Resending, not sure if it made it out. We recently deployed a link close to a Air Force Base. The link is a 5GHz (802.11a), while it supports DFS, I would like to avoid having the link going to sleep for obvious reasons, from what I have read the 5.8 range does not need to support DFS, is this correct, or does the whole unlicensed 5GHz range need to support it? What is the freq. range that does not need to avoid RADAR? Thanks, Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5 Ghz - Avoiding RADAR
On Thu, 2007-06-28 at 11:16 -0500, David E. Smith wrote: Ryan Langseth wrote: We recently deployed a link close to a Air Force Base. The link is a 5GHz (802.11a), while it supports DFS, I would like to avoid having the link going to sleep for obvious reasons, from what I have read the 5.8 range does not need to support DFS, is this correct, or does the whole unlicensed 5GHz range need to support it? What is the freq. range that does not need to avoid RADAR? How close is close to an Air Force base? I've always been kinda curious as to just how big the scope of the DFS stuff is. I'm about fifty miles from one, and while I'm not presently using any gear that would require DFS, I can't help but wonder how much (if any) impact there would be if ever I did move into those middle bands. The link runs east and west, and is about 6 miles. The east endpoint is 1.3 miles directly south of their radar domes according to google earth. I have seen a few events on the link, and It did go down once, although I was not able to verify the radar events were the reason. Here are the events on the east endpoint so far Channel RADAR EventsTime Since Last Event Current Status 124 2 1.49 days Available 120 1 1.50 days Available 116 1 1.51 days Available I have not seen any on the west endpoint yet. Anyway, if you're in the 5.8GHz range, you should be okay. DFS is required for the lower stuff: 5150-5350 and 5470-5725. The unlicensed 5.8GHz band should be exempt from this. Good, I have moved the link to 5.825 GHz already, so hopefully this will fix the problem. Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: North Dakota]
Rick Harnish wrote: John and Frannie, We do not have any subscribers to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. I sure don't ever recall hearing from an operator up there. I'm going to post this to the isp-wireless list as well. Maybe there is an North Dakota operator on that list. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA We are in ND ( and MN ) right along the border Ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:18 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: North Dakota] Anyone out there a WISP in North Dakota? If yes then please send an email off to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frannie is a great gal and she can help you to help WISPs and our customers with legislative efforts. If you make contact please let us know what work you guys do together. Many thanks, Scriv Original Message Subject:North Dakota Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:47:49 -0400 From: Wellings, Frannie (Dorgan) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi John, Do you have any WISPs in North Dakota who are members of WISPA? Hope you're doing well!! Best, Frannie *** Frannie Wellings Office of Senator Byron Dorgan 322 Hart Senate Office Building Washington, D.C. 20510 (202) 224-2551/ fax (202) 224-1193 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Windows Network configuration tool
Here is a tool you all might find useful: http://netprofiles.danielmilner.com/ With Net Profiles, mobile computing becomes a whole lot easier. It eliminates the need to manually reconfigure your network settings when you move your desktop/laptop computer to another location. Once a profile is created, Net Profiles can configure your IP settings, proxy settings, mapped drives, default printer, wallpaper, and screen resolution with a click of a button; as well as run any number of user-defined applications upon activation of a profile. Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Michael, This is the first time I have gotten into this subject, and the last. As I said, I have seen this same thing come up at least a dozen time on this list. While I did say how long I have been on this list, my time in the industry is only about a month longer. Its always the same thing, it goes round and round with people getting angry. I don't run MT, I was merely trying to point out the major differences, imho, between a PC (win32) with a wireless adapter, and MT with a wireless adapter. Do you think those pci card manufacturers have certified the card with a bigger antenna than it shipped with? I highly doubt it. Once that is changed, the card would no longer be a certified module. I made one comment in this entire thread, which I am already regretting. I hardly consider that vocal. My comment was not meant to be sarcastic, I would like to see a ruling on it one way or another, but I am not going to run around trying to get it. Its not worth my time, I don't need to start working 70-hour weeks. this thread /dev/null, Ryan On Mon, 2007-06-11 at 02:20 -0400, Michael Erskine wrote: Ryan, A few of you are making a lot of noise. You seem to want to talk a lot about how MT is not certified and you say but if it were... Ryan, Why haven't you and those so vocal gone to the FCC with this question already? The FCC is but a telephone call away. http://www.fcc.gov/ It never ceases to amaze me how men and women of obvious intelligence will debate ad nasuiem about how some government agency will rule on some topic, but never will they find the courage to simply call that agency and ask them. Rather they will wait till someone suggests it and then after all the debate and posturing, say, Yeah, Go ahead! You call them. What a joke. -m- Ryan Langseth wrote: On Mon, 2007-06-11 at 01:09 -0400, Michael Erskine wrote: Rick; I think that your opinion is like mine, both informed and experienced. I am perfectly comfortable with my opinion. And I did not get into an argument, or even suggest one was somehow a good idea. That said, let me also say this. If I don't have to have my router boards certified without radios because they are not intentional radiators, then when I add an FCC certified card to them I still don't have to have them certified because they are still what they were. If you tell me that every PC running a pci wireless card has to be certified then I'll go with suggesting that a single board computer, which is designed to be a router, should also be certified like all those PC's otherwise, Rick, I think that both you and Dawn are incorrect. 1) drivers for the wireless card do not allow you to adjust power. 2) comes with a small rubber ducky ant, not a 15db sector. This discussion has come up on this list at probably least a dozen times since I have joined (less than a year ago). MT is not certified, end of chapter. Ask MT they will, most likely, tell you the same thing. Like I said, I think your opinion is like mine, both informed and experienced. I don't think you, or I, or Dawn, have the last word in this matter and I'd be happy to take the issue up with the FCC to get a reading from them. Do this, I would like to read the next chapter, if they can get certified though the PC method, I would take a look at their product. Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
On Mon, 2007-06-11 at 01:09 -0400, Michael Erskine wrote: Rick; I think that your opinion is like mine, both informed and experienced. I am perfectly comfortable with my opinion. And I did not get into an argument, or even suggest one was somehow a good idea. That said, let me also say this. If I don't have to have my router boards certified without radios because they are not intentional radiators, then when I add an FCC certified card to them I still don't have to have them certified because they are still what they were. If you tell me that every PC running a pci wireless card has to be certified then I'll go with suggesting that a single board computer, which is designed to be a router, should also be certified like all those PC's otherwise, Rick, I think that both you and Dawn are incorrect. 1) drivers for the wireless card do not allow you to adjust power. 2) comes with a small rubber ducky ant, not a 15db sector. This discussion has come up on this list at probably least a dozen times since I have joined (less than a year ago). MT is not certified, end of chapter. Ask MT they will, most likely, tell you the same thing. Like I said, I think your opinion is like mine, both informed and experienced. I don't think you, or I, or Dawn, have the last word in this matter and I'd be happy to take the issue up with the FCC to get a reading from them. Do this, I would like to read the next chapter, if they can get certified though the PC method, I would take a look at their product. Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo not functioning properly
What firmware are you running, there was a bug where it would not pass traffic that was fixed in 3.0.4 of the firmware. We had some issues with the 58 FDD links, one was dropping connection intermittently during the day, narrowing the channel down to 5mhz made it work alot better. I was pretty sure this problem is with the distance of the link, when we purchased the FDD link the saleperson told us it would be able to go 10-13 miles. Turns out tranzeo recommends a link distance of 5 miles. Ryan On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 16:47 -0400, RC wrote: Anybody have issues with Tranzeo 5.8 APs? We have had about 5 die out of 40. They don't die completely, but don't pass all traffic. The wireless side seems to function good, but the Ethernet side is having problems. Anybody having similar issues? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Cabling - RF Industries
We are currently working on improving our inventory and infrastructure. Currently we make a lot of our own cables, except for things like pigtails, but we are looking at switching to premade cables for radio to antenna jumpers and such. What do you think of cables and connectors from RF Industries? Has anyone had problems with them? How about good experiences? Thanks, Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it?
With the recent announcement by ARIN to start pushing IPv6 uptake, and the run out date of v4 is as soon as 2010, I was wondering is anyone are here using v6 in some form or planning the switchover? Since it is much more than renumbering customers, the needed time for deploying it will be much longer, is your infrastructure ready for it? http://www.arin.net/announcements/20070521.html http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070521-arin-its-time-to- migrate-to-ipv6.html Have a great evening, Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Raising the Broadband definition
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070517-house-dems-broadband-isnt-broadband-unless-its-2-mbps.html Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion of services on-list
Zack Kneisley wrote: Jack, Actually, that is exactly what I do, you will notice the gmail address? I have a total of seven gmail addresses that I use. Some reply with a signature, some don't. I also use Outlook that has 4 pop accounts that it checks. Two accounts it checks send the same signature one that doesn't and another that sends an entirely different signature. This is why my signature, or lack thereof, is not present when I reply to this list. I don't self promote, because the rules say I shouldn't. This method is actually the most efficient, most organized, and the easiest way to sort, search, respond and recall messages that I have ever had in place in the past 18 years of using the internet. Gopher was alot simpler back then hu? lol I don't really have a preference of a sig or no sig or the use of more than One email file. I just would like clarification of what can or cannot be done accordance with this lists rules. Zack That is alot of email accounts. I limit myself to two accounts that I actively check. My work account and my personal account. If I have a list I am involved in, I filter by the list-id header. If I am signing up for something I use the the email address tagging (rfc 2822) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those two features plus some filter rules works really nice to keep my inbox clean. There are a few sites that, do not like the + sign, those are generally spammy site and I dump them to a throwaway account. btw, gmail does support the +tag. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing
I would check into using a revision control system such as subversion. I believe it will handle word docs properly. Ryan Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online. We need to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left off. We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements we're unable to do that now. We have to have the same functionality on one of our servers. Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way? The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing
Subversion is a Revision Control System, used by Code monkeys (software developers) to store code. Its pretty good at fixing conflicts in text documents. I did some googling, it does not work as as well for word documents conflicts since they are binary data. Conflicts happen when the document changes more than expected between developers. If you do not expect much parallel changes to the documents it would probably work fine. Ryan Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: OK, what is that? Sorry guys, but I'm swamped and ignorant grin I just need to know what to put on a server (or whatever) that'll do the trick for us. And, naturally, I'm in a hurry for it. Any and all help would be much appreciated. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] online doc sharing I would check into using a revision control system such as subversion. I believe it will handle word docs properly. Ryan Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, The calea committee needs a way to share word docs online. We need to be able to edit them etc. online so that our edits don't overlap or get left off. We'd been using google docs but due to some new privacy requirements we're unable to do that now. We have to have the same functionality on one of our servers. Anyone know how to get one of the machines set up this way? The doc needs to be stored on a secure password protected site. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Malware monitor Device
Here are the list of things I would do. 1) netflow You can get some good information from netflow. It will track each connection and the amount of data pulled. Your routers need to support it. You can do this one with open source tools or with a commercial product. http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/08/18/Big_Scary_Daemons.html http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/09/15/Big_Scary_Daemons.html http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/10/27/Big_Scary_Daemons.html This can provide you with a wealth of information. With proper reporting you can tell who uses the most bandwidth, what is the popular protocols, who sent the most email, etc. 2) Snort I am not too familiar with snort, at my last job they used it on the internal network to detect infected student laptops. It was about 2500+ students, and a pretty hefty machine to digest all the data. This is another one that can be built As an open source system or you can probably find an appliance. As far as making Snort automatically block that, may take some work. Although I am sure it has the ability to respond to specific traffic, I am not familiar with it enough to say how easy it is to setup. Rather than having an automated system, you could have a CSR call the customers (not sure what your customer base is, so I can't say how feasible it is) that are infected and notify them that way, if you have the proper process you could even guide them through the cleanup. Its another source of revenue, or at least lets your customers hear from you once in a while. Ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Malware monitor Device Is there any device on the market that would monitor that would sit between my network and my internet feed and do this: 1-monitor customer traffic 2-identify problematic traffic(malware,storms, ect) 3- Redirect those customers to a Cleanup portal Or can it be developed with the current open source tools? (nagios,Ntop,snort)? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ Questions
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 09:37 -0400, Dawn DiPietro wrote: Marlon, I have been reading the WISPA CALEA FAQ and was a little concerned about question #10. If the LEA does not know who the suspect is using an open access point does this mean that everyone that has used that access point will have their data handed over to the LEA? It would seem that if the LEA is only allowed to receive the data requested in the subpoena this would be a violation. I asked a similar question in the Bear Hill webinar. I had asked about private IPs and how the request would be made to us, would it be an IP or name, unfortunately it can be either one. We would most likely need to provide the data from that IP if that is how the request was made. Now with a tap of a external IP of a private IP range, you would have to provide the data from the inside of the network, so that they could analyze it and determine what internal IP is the suspect. I have only been working in this industry for a little under a year and I have been amazed at the use of private IPs for customers. We have them setup here, in my opinion it cause more trouble than its worth I hope to move away from private IPs over the next year. They will still exist in our network for networking devices, but ideally no more customers would get them. As far as I can tell question #15 does not get answered in the paragraph following the question. It talks more about acceptable billing and the fact that WISPA might have a solution in the future. One of the questions in section 23 asks Does the FBI speak for other LEA's?. Unless I am mistaken this question does not get answered. Also the document says over and over again that the LEA's will work with WISP's, which sounds like there is no easy way this can always be done transparently with the current broadband equipment deployed by WISP's. So the workaround is the WISP should give them the all the data from the device in question and the LEA's will sort it out and separate it. If I am out of line please let me know but if I have questions about the FAQ then I am guessing there are others that do too. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tower Problem - at my wits end
Over the last few months we have been fighting an intermittent problem on one of our towers.At seemingly random times, we will experience packet loss to customer equipment and/or large amounts of duplicate packets, anywhere from one dupe per 10 pings to 10+ dupes per ping. The tower has 3 sectors on it, and one horizontal omni. the sectors are on 1, 6, 11 and the horizontal is on 1. We are approximately 180 feet up the tower. The wireless cards are 200mW prism cards. I also know there is a FM radio station broadcasting off the tower, at 107.1, not sure about the .1. And Nortel Network has equipment on the tower also. The cat5 cable running up the tower is unshielded I believe. It was put up before I started with the company. The Access points are bridges plugged into a switch and then into a router. Normally this problem occurs during higher usage periods, an almost always stops at around 5pm, which made me assume we were overloading the AP(s), tonight though, I was seeing massive duplicates to one customer, and some duplicate packets to a bunch of other customers. The network load at the tower was minimal, right around 2mb/s. To test the sectors, I deauthorized all of the customers except the one with massive packet loss and turned off all sectors except theirs. I still saw alot of packet loss. Can poor tower grounding cause this? Is it something to do with the FM or Nortel equipment? I really don't think it is the routing equipment, since we have other towers that run fine and can push more through without an issue. Any suggestions or questions would be greatly appreciated. Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower Problem - at my wits end
On May 4, 2007, at 1:20 AM, Ryan Langseth wrote: Over the last few months we have been fighting an intermittent problem on one of our towers.At seemingly random times, we will experience packet loss to customer equipment and/or large amounts of duplicate packets, anywhere from one dupe per 10 pings to 10+ dupes per ping. The tower has 3 sectors on it, and one horizontal omni. the sectors are on 1, 6, 11 and the horizontal is on 1. We are approximately 180 feet up the tower. The wireless cards are 200mW prism cards. I also know there is a FM radio station broadcasting off the tower, at 107.1, not sure about the .1. And Nortel Network has equipment on the tower also. The cat5 cable running up the tower is unshielded I believe. It was put up before I started with the company. The Access points are bridges plugged into a switch and then into a router. Normally this problem occurs during higher usage periods, an almost always stops at around 5pm, which made me assume we were overloading the AP(s), tonight though, I was seeing massive duplicates to one customer, and some duplicate packets to a bunch of other customers. The network load at the tower was minimal, right around 2mb/s. EDIT: This should have been packet duplicates, not packet loss. To test the sectors, I deauthorized all of the customers except the one with massive packet loss and turned off all sectors except theirs. I still saw alot of packet loss. That should have said I still saw alot of packet duplicates I was a little tired when I sent this. Can poor tower grounding cause this? Is it something to do with the FM or Nortel equipment? I really don't think it is the routing equipment, since we have other towers that run fine and can push more through without an issue. Any suggestions or questions would be greatly appreciated. Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Posting limits?
On Sun, 2007-04-29 at 14:07 -0500, John Scrivner wrote: Is anyone else getting tired of sorting through the exhaustive amount of email we are getting on the public list? Much of it is good stuff but I think we see some people who are posting more than we need to all see. I am thinking we should consider a post count limit per day per person. I would like to hear feedback on this concept. I think limiting posts would be a last resort fix to the problem. Believe it or not, this is a common problem on almost all email lists. The main problem is a lack of netiquette on this list. Good email manners, would fix the problem. http://www.albion.com/netiquette/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette read Usenet and Email topics This is a list of the common annoyances I see on this list, 1) If you are replying to every message in a thread, STOP, Think, Let others respond, read, then reply. http://www.ryanlangseth.com/~langseth/Email.png 2) DON'T Start a new thread by hitting reply to the last message in another thread and changing the Subject line. It is bad form, and will show up wrong in the mailing list archives and some people's email client (mine). If you want to branch the subject prefix with your new topic and was: eg. Email List Etiquette WAS: Posting Limits? http://www.ryanlangseth.com/~langseth/Email.png 3) Remember this list is public, indexed by google. What you post here, much like MySpace it is going to be around for a very long time. Also remember this list is the public face of Wispa, if we want to _not_ be treated like cowboys by others (Telcos, FCC, Govnmt, etc), don't act like cowboys on the list. 4) DON'T troll. Trolls look for fights, they argue for the sake of arguing, they reduce conversations to personal attacks. One more thing, If you haven't watch/listened to it yet (do it twice): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645 Ryan -- InvisiMax System Administrator e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
I would suggest going there with some pretty pictures. You can tell anyone anything, and they may say they understand, But as House says people lie. Go there with some graphs of Spectrum Analysis of things like a AP at 25' versus a Microwave at 25'. Ask the parents how many of their kids care cell phones. Even go there with a sweep of the a large spectrum of some area. People that are worried about wifi poisoning probably got the concern citizen look from some other source, (News Media/tabloids, etc) and are oblivious how what else puts out Radiation. Ryan On Fri, 2007-04-27 at 10:31 -0500, Jonathan Schmidt wrote: It is clearly a logical quandary to prove a negative and it is known by those who have other agendas as a technique to inject fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation has the death word, radiation, and easily causes fear due to the lack of response to the request to prove that it isn't harmful. However, so is a lit match, and with a lot more electromagnetic radiation power than an access point...and, in fact, a flashlight, too. The exercise that some, as in the case study, go through to prove that the levels are safe just feed the FUD since no level is unsafe up closer to the levels found inside a kilowatt microwave oven, most of which leak more into a kitchen than an AP does at 1 foot and at the same frequency. It apparently cost Motorola millions to counter the mischief makers over cell phones who tried to bring it to its knees with pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo that got lots of press. It doesn't appear that any satisfactory response can be mounted to those who use these techniques...except time...time as taken by the coffee industry when the nut cases finally gave up and the power industry who are on the back side, now, of the power-line problem. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Smith, Rick wrote: I plan to use an FCC Certified solution. That's not the issue. The issue is, is standard documentation from Ubiquiti good enough as to radio strengths, etc for the documentation to prove it's not harmful ? isn't there a standard FCC document that states all this ? No standard FCC doc on this. There was a alarge study done in the UK recently. (Google would be your friend) http://airbears.berkeley.edu/wlan.shtml http://www.wlana.org/learn/health.htm www.3gamericas.org/pdfs/Comsearch_whitepaper_*health*care_wp_TP-100322-EN.pd f www.red-m.com/downloads/case-studies/BAA%20Case%20*Study*.pdf - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Monitoring and Graphing
Nagios for notifications and cacti for graphing. I am also looking at a pretty nice oss project called zenoss. It has auto discovery, graphing and notifications. It also does some asset tracking and other features. I have not spent alot of time with it yet, but I did run the auto discovery and catagorize some hard to get the graphs working. Pretty simple web interface. www.zenoss.com They also have a VMWare image, so if you have vmware player or vmware server (both free) setup some where you can have it up and running in 10 minutes to try it out. Also I gather netflow data from my core router, I have not started graphing yet, but I do create some usage reports from the data. Ryan On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 17:10 -0500, Jory Privett wrote: I am looking some a software package that does network monitoring and graphing. I have used MRTG for graphing before. I have looked at WhatsUp, JFFNMS and Niagos before. I want to be able to graph traffic on network ports of my routers (Cisco and Mikrotik) and wireless equipment. I also would like it to notify me if a device is down either by email or preferably SMS. Monitoring mail and web servers would be an added plus. I am curious what others use for this type of application, what they like.dislike about it and if they would recommend it to someone else. Thank you, Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 21:19 -0700, George Rogato wrote: David E. Smith wrote: Mark Koskenmaki wrote: You pay some property taxes, you get to use all those roads they built. . It's all trade-offs. Basic freshman-year-of-college economics. I just wanted to point out an error you just made mark, you said : The government doesn't give you stuff for free, And your correct, but this other part is incorrect: you don't give them stuff for free Yes we do. Care to quantify this statement? -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] State Lawmakers Want To Limit Internet Porn Access
I haven't read all of the calea law yet ... what part of it says anything about blocking access, I thought it was about traffic sniffing, not traffic censoring? Smells like FUD to me. On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 13:23 -0400, Smith, Rick wrote: Ya know, they could use CALEA to lock down wireless units, and get a side benefit of blocking porn, without starting the whole free speech argument... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:18 PM To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] State Lawmakers Want To Limit Internet Porn Access http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_108212704.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Interesting Call Today
Probably because they don't want to have to deal with their own connection/disconnection departments. ;) (just kidding, sort of) Ryan On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 13:36 -0500, John Scrivner wrote: Why is ATT ordering wireless links? They can put a T1 anywhere they want. I don't get it. I would certainly be suspect of that also. Scriv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: There's been quite a bit of talk about ATT wireless links on the p-15 list. Looks legit. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Interesting Call Today Wow... I got a call today from a lady in Washington, DC wanting 70-80 wireless connections in our area for a 3 month project. It was just a voicemail that she left, and I don't plan to call her back... Travis Microserv Rick Harnish wrote: One of our salespeople got a call today from ATT that I feel I must share and see if others are getting similar calls. The ATT rep told our saleperson that he was looking for temporary (2 day service) to various locations that do not have access to cable/DSL or fiber. They need these connections for conference call meetings and will need our company to set up a wireless router at the location as well. He needs these connections done in as short as a 3-4 day window. Has anyone else had similar calls? Not sure if they are just fishing for information or what. Thanks, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] McCaw losing money?
Yea there is, its call DNS Ryan On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 22:34 -0400, Gino Villarini wrote: Well yeah, he exited the cell biz bout 4 years ago .., and theres no Num portability with internet Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money? The cellular business was different 2-3 years ago... before number portability... Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Hes basically emulating the Cellular Biz ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money? Smart people sometimes do foolish things. However, he isnt the dumbest guy in the world either. So what is his bet? Why would a guy who cut his teeth in cellular come out so hard against the cell carriers with a new wireless product? chris Quoting Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Just a little bit! I was just talking to a local PC reseller and I asked him what ClearWire gave him when he signed up a new customer. 180 bucks! Per sub! It is normally 80 bucks per sub but when he reaches a certain threshold, he gets 180. So what does the next-net equipment cost? and then bandwidth and then tower leases and then spiffs for your resellers WOW! ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
We ran into this in our office, a couple of the headset units we have are 2.4 ghz freq. hopping units and the linksys waps we use(d) would die every time a phone call came through. We also have one DECT headset that causes no problems. On another note, I am using another AP currently that uses an Atheros chipset and has been rock solid even with the headsets still being used. Ryan On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 10:53 -0400, Dawn DiPietro wrote: All, I am sure some of you have already thought of this but I would suggest a great alternative to avoid interference with the most common frequencies used to deploy wireless networks would be to use DECT cordless phones in the house. They use the 1.9Ghz frequency and are relatively inexpensive. We use a DECT phone system here with all the features we could ever ask for and we got them for a song after the rebate. Just a thought. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Walmart RFID update
For those that have walmarts in their area, I would suggest starting talking to them ahead of time, you may be able it prevent the same problem from happening on your towers. I would bet all walmarts will start using rfid's in the next couple of years. Ryan On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 09:41 -0500, Ray Jean wrote: I did not mention broadband reports,they found it on their own.I was unaware that one of our partners was posting there asking for input on the problem.They didnt mention this thread,maybe haven't discovered it yet.We sure were relieved when they called and acted sincere about resolving the problem.I will post the contact info here when we meet with their rep.That way if the problem shows up in your neighborhood you will know who to call without spending days trying to get to the right person.Never underestimate the power of the internet or press. Thanks Ray Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Walmart RFID update Congratulations on the change of heart you've found in Walmart. Did you happen to mention to them that you were posting complaints about their system in the Broadband Reports Forums, or did they discover this themselves? They must (or should) have a search appliance dedicated to sniffing out the first malodorous whiffs of bad press. Now it's time, as RickG suggests, for the good PR. This thread is a start, as it's every bit as searchable as the forums! Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/721 - Release Date: 3/13/2007 4:51 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP pricing
On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 14:02 -0800, George Rogato wrote: I need a couple very short range PtP links. A few hundred feet at most for each one. Something that did close to 50 or even 100 megs duplex would be good http://tranzeo.com/products/radios/TR-FDD-Series Has anyone worked with Free Space Optics and can advice? Not yet but they look interesting. Also looking to be frugal. But don't want 5 gig. (that one is 5 gig ... but cheap) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid
Depending on how big your town is, and how they feel about Walmart, you should try sending a letter to the local newspaper. Also document everything, calls, letters, etc and post them to a web site. Then submit them to the bigger social networking news sites (digg slashdot reddit) make sure to put some good spin on it, make sure to let people know how many of you customers are affected by walmart's refusal to work with you. This will be especially effective if walmart has any sort of bad name in your town already. Ryan On Sun, 2007-03-11 at 13:28 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote: The bigger issue is are your customers going to wait WEEKS while you try and resolve this via attorneys, etc. My customers would be SCREAMING after the first hour of downtime. The fastest solution is to switch to h-pol and start changing customers. Travis Microserv Rick Smith wrote: no, 900 mhz rfid would be 20mhz bands. They MUST be exceeding EIRP, tho, because I've never seen problems with rfid at close ranges like that, and not having good reads with normal, or even less than normal power. Problem is, rfid is 100% tx/rx 100% of the time. How far away is this from you ? I guarantee it's a piece of bad equipment - cable or such - on their end, leaking. Certified letter or bb gun, your choice... ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid If their signal occupies the whole band it is probably FHSS in nature. So changing to a 5 or 10 Mhz. channel will not be possible. Also, it may not be possible to turn down the power. So it may not be that simple. A certified letter from an attorney is probably more in order. Unfortunately using unlicensed spectrum does not leave you with much recourse. This has been discussed over and over on these lists but the final outcome is always that you are taking a risk using Part 15 spectrum. Good luck in your battle. Bob Ray Jean wrote: Travis Thanks for the input .that is a possible solution but not one that could be implemented quickly or easily.It would require a new Hpol omni about $2200 a climb to install it and a trip to about 100 customers home to change their eum antenna to h pol.This may be how it gets resolved but really all we need to to do is have them turn the power down on their equipment which only needs to reach 100 ft or the area of their loading dock.or drop to a 5or 10 mhz channel that is not on our freq of 918.4.It would be a simple problem to resolve if we could get any cooperation from walmart.Any ideas on how how we could create interference to their system to get their attention.I realize this is not the proper way to resolve the problem but it might encourge them to be better rf neighbors maybe. Thanks Ray Hill - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid Hi, You may want to try changing polarity and see if that helps. Often going from vertical to horizontal will make a big difference. Travis Microserv Ray Jean wrote: Hello List We have an interference problem come up this week that we have been unable to resolve.Hopefully someone here has some input on how to resolve it.The problem is walmart installed a rfid scanning system at there loading dock which instantly raised the noise floor at our 900 mhz waverider access point by 20 db which killed about 30 of our weakest links.this equipment is operating across the whole band so there is no way to change channels and get away from it.The walmart store manager says its not his problem and refuses to call the company that installed it .I called the company which is adt security and they refuse to do anything unless walmart request it.walmart home office will not return my calls and the regional manager actually hung up on me and will not take calls from us now.We have been very polite with them upto this point and gave them no reason to act like jerks.Does anyone have any suggestions on how to resolve this problem? Thanks Ray Hill surfmore. net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid
Yea, I agree the connection for those customers needs to be the priority. But, taking more than one direction of fixing the problem is a good idea. What if the store is over EIRP and switching to h-pol only marginally improves the signal? Then its back to square one on getting the problem fixed. On Sun, 2007-03-11 at 14:24 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote: Again... are those 100 customers going to wait a few weeks while you try and work it out? Or even better is if they decide because they didn't have service that they aren't going to pay for that month... 100 x $30 per month just paid for the switch to h-pol and the problem is fixed. ;) Travis Microserv Ryan Langseth wrote: Depending on how big your town is, and how they feel about Walmart, you should try sending a letter to the local newspaper. Also document everything, calls, letters, etc and post them to a web site. Then submit them to the bigger social networking news sites (digg slashdot reddit) make sure to put some good spin on it, make sure to let people know how many of you customers are affected by walmart's refusal to work with you. This will be especially effective if walmart has any sort of bad name in your town already. Ryan On Sun, 2007-03-11 at 13:28 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote: The bigger issue is are your customers going to wait WEEKS while you try and resolve this via attorneys, etc. My customers would be SCREAMING after the first hour of downtime. The fastest solution is to switch to h-pol and start changing customers. Travis Microserv Rick Smith wrote: no, 900 mhz rfid would be 20mhz bands. They MUST be exceeding EIRP, tho, because I've never seen problems with rfid at close ranges like that, and not having good reads with normal, or even less than normal power. Problem is, rfid is 100% tx/rx 100% of the time. How far away is this from you ? I guarantee it's a piece of bad equipment - cable or such - on their end, leaking. Certified letter or bb gun, your choice... ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid If their signal occupies the whole band it is probably FHSS in nature. So changing to a 5 or 10 Mhz. channel will not be possible. Also, it may not be possible to turn down the power. So it may not be that simple. A certified letter from an attorney is probably more in order. Unfortunately using unlicensed spectrum does not leave you with much recourse. This has been discussed over and over on these lists but the final outcome is always that you are taking a risk using Part 15 spectrum. Good luck in your battle. Bob Ray Jean wrote: Travis Thanks for the input .that is a possible solution but not one that could be implemented quickly or easily.It would require a new Hpol omni about $2200 a climb to install it and a trip to about 100 customers home to change their eum antenna to h pol.This may be how it gets resolved but really all we need to to do is have them turn the power down on their equipment which only needs to reach 100 ft or the area of their loading dock.or drop to a 5or 10 mhz channel that is not on our freq of 918.4.It would be a simple problem to resolve if we could get any cooperation from walmart.Any ideas on how how we could create interference to their system to get their attention.I realize this is not the proper way to resolve the problem but it might encourge them to be better rf neighbors maybe. Thanks Ray Hill - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] walmart rfid Hi, You may want to try changing polarity and see if that helps. Often going from vertical to horizontal will make a big difference. Travis Microserv Ray Jean wrote: Hello List We have an interference problem come up this week that we have been unable to resolve.Hopefully someone here has some input on how to resolve it.The problem is walmart installed a rfid scanning system at there loading dock which instantly raised the noise floor at our 900 mhz waverider access point by 20 db which killed about 30 of our weakest links.this equipment is operating across the whole band so there is no way to change channels and get away from it.The walmart store manager says its not his
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Sort of OT: Long list of answers...
Patrick would be able to provide you with more/better info. But here is a quick rundown. On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 15:25 -0500, Doug Ratcliffe wrote: I'm sold. Anyone wanna buy me some? COMNET has nice pricing on CPE's, but are there any discounts on the AU's? I believe there are two versions of the AU available (the lower end one is software upgradeable) There's so many parts it seems between the blade chassis and that, I don't even know what parts that I'd need to order. The blade Chassis is for power, you can also buy individual power bricks for the AUs. The chassis provides the benifit of redundant power to each IDU. and a clean install. the Chassis will also work with other types of Alvarion AUs, I believe. Also, I was concerned with the blade chassis that 200' of LMR400 would be too lossy to be useful - or does this have some kind of low frequency IF signalling that's used on the cable itself? Some equipment I've noticed uses a much lower frequency up the tower that even LMR175 could be used. Its cat5 from the chassis to the AU, the chassis is just for power. Can I use this on an non-live, unipole, AM radio tower? Thanks Your welcome, Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
