[WISPA] WISP in Placerville / Carson, CA?
Any of you guys out in Placerville / Carson California? I have a customer with an immediate need. get me off-list d...@drewlentz.com thx :) -d ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Results from the Title II survey
Survey Says: Total of 20 votes. 2 say it's a good thing. 18 say it's a bad thing. Figured as much, but just wanted to see. Totally appreciate your input! Thanks everyone and have a great weekend! -drew ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?
So here's what sparked the question. I was trying to get some point-counterpoint going on with a friend of mine and found some pretty good arguments on each. This article made me think about it all a little differently: ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?
So here's what sparked the question. I was trying to get some point-counterpoint going on with a friend of mine and found some pretty good arguments on each. This article made me think about it all a little differently: http://www.netcompetition.org/congress/the-multi-billion-dollar-impact-of-fcc-title-ii-broadband-for-google-entire-internet-ecosystem To Fred's point, the article mentions: That’s because of the way the law and the forbearance provision are written; they apparently do not allow for any immaculate ruling where the FCC somehow rules the service and carrier of Internet traffic are regulated, but not the Internet traffic itself that is precisely what defines the service and carrier. Anyhow, not trying to beat a dead horse, but this got me questioning things :) Have a great weekend y'all! -drew On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com wrote: So here's what sparked the question. I was trying to get some point-counterpoint going on with a friend of mine and found some pretty good arguments on each. This article made me think about it all a little differently: ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?
I put up a quick poll, results will be shared and are anonymous. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3R6YTH9 I'm curious to see what the percentages are between those that support and those that don't support the Title II argument. I've been trying to get a good feel for who would and wouldn't like it (mostly it seems carriers love it, web services hate it.) I have a feeling WISPs might be on the hate it side, but I'm interested to find out. Thanks for your answer and have a fantastic day! -d ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [WUG] High Capacity AP alternatives?
Alvarion, Proxim, PureWave, Radwin, Redline, all have great case studies. -drew Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: Besides Cambium, Mikrotik, Ubnt and other WiFi products, is anyone successfully deploying something else to service both residential and business customers? Thanks, - Matt --- Wireless Users Group us...@wug.cc ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
Can I ask that you all please move this over to the UBNT list? Thanks, -d On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I have this on my wall. Never used it. Nice to have. On Oct 17, 2012 11:32 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: This is an older document.. but it should help Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 10/17/2012 10:59 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote: OK, I asked about the PS2 years back and I believe I was told 30v for that. Greg On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: II was told NO!! 27VDC Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen *Sent:* Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:35 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question Doesn't UBNT gear take up to 30v? Greg On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Why not run the NSM5 on 24v? Just add a diode or two to the + side, the 1v drop on them will protect the NSM from the charge voltage of the bank. $2 fix On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote: It just dawned on me that I may have been barking up the wrong tree I only have the one NSM5 to connect, I could hook this up to the parallel segment of my battery bank and get only 12v while the rest of the installation that's connected in series gets 24v. Do you think this will work? Don't really have to worry about the NSM5 running down the battery cause load is low and the cable run is under 10m so the voltage drop from 12v will be negligible So this is how it would be: 24v solar panel connected to 24v charge controller with 4 x 12v batteries connected in a 2x2 series/parallel array. cable connected to the parallel segment of battery bank (theoretically giving 12v to the NSM5), rest of the load connected to the charge controller at 24v What do you think? - - - Olufemi Adalemo M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: Ya, it should be +24 on pins 4,5 and -24/comm on 7,8. If it blew up then there was probably a short somewhere. -Kristian On 10/12/2012 11:11 AM, Olufemi Adalemo wrote: Ah ok, it is possible that the guys didn't get the polarity right I will check though they swear that they did - - - Olufemi Adalemo M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What voltage were the batteries spitting out? They charge at 27v but without a charger put out much closer to 24v until they begin discharging. If it fried the radio I would first think that it was connected wrong, not that the voltage was too high. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote: What's your typical config for the NSM5? Some of my guys just tried to power one off a 24v battery bank (no charger connected just battery) and it fried good - - - Olufemi Adalemo M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: We have MT and Ubnt equipment of all shapes and sizes running at 27.6V. The only problems we've had are a handful of freak RB411s that won't power on with 27V. Most of the older ones wouldn't kick into overvoltage protection until 28V, but we've come across a few odd balls. -Kristian On 10/12/2012 10:44 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Charger isn't going to spit out 24v for batteries that need charged, it's usually 27v. I was under the impression they would simply lock up and you could reboot, or maybe I'm just thinking of MT. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote: Aha, thanks That explains why I have a dead NSM5 on my desk I guess the charge controller is not very good at giving out 24v regulated power - - - Olufemi Adalemo M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Yes you will. The batteries will probably be around 27v which Ubnt won't like. You'll need to clean the ~18-27v from the batteries to 24v. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St
[WISPA] This isn't UBNT support.
At the risk of starting a flame war, I think UBNT needs its own list for WISPA. I love the conversation in here, but it seems that more and more this is turning into UBNT crowd-sourced support. I may be alone on this, but seriously. /just sayin -drew Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote: Need help, I'm looking to deploy a UBNT NSM5 powered by a 24v solar supply. Does anyone have experience with this? The data sheet shows that it requires a 24v supply however the POE injector supplied is 15v, do I need a DC to DC converter? Best regards, - - - Olufemi Adalemo M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] This isn't UBNT support.
looks left then looks right ... ::shrugs:: Well ok then. -d Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: They already have the list... ubnt_us...@wispa.org Regards, Chuck On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com wrote: At the risk of starting a flame war, I think UBNT needs its own list for WISPA. I love the conversation in here, but it seems that more and more this is turning into UBNT crowd-sourced support. I may be alone on this, but seriously. /just sayin -drew Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote: Need help, I'm looking to deploy a UBNT NSM5 powered by a 24v solar supply. Does anyone have experience with this? The data sheet shows that it requires a 24v supply however the POE injector supplied is 15v, do I need a DC to DC converter? Best regards, - - - Olufemi Adalemo M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] This isn't UBNT support.
I am totally aware of that, I just don't think the WISPA General List is the place for it. :) -drew On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: UBNT also is founded upon crowd-sourced sales and support. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 12:36:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] This isn't UBNT support. looks left then looks right ... ::shrugs:: Well ok then. -d Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: They already have the list... ubnt_us...@wispa.org Regards, Chuck On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com wrote: At the risk of starting a flame war, I think UBNT needs its own list for WISPA. I love the conversation in here, but it seems that more and more this is turning into UBNT crowd-sourced support. I may be alone on this, but seriously. /just sayin -drew Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Olufemi Adalemo adal...@gmail.com wrote: Need help, I'm looking to deploy a UBNT NSM5 powered by a 24v solar supply. Does anyone have experience with this? The data sheet shows that it requires a 24v supply however the POE injector supplied is 15v, do I need a DC to DC converter? Best regards, - - - Olufemi Adalemo M: +234-803-5610040 M: +234-809-8610040 f...@adalemo.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Broadband Breakfast recap! Go Forbes! :)
http://broadbandbreakfast.com/2011/10/broadband-infrastructure-to-rural-area s-is-on-the-move-at-the-broadband-breakfast-club/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Great to see everyone!!
Just wanted to send a hello out and say how great it was to hang out with you all at WISPAPALOOZA. There was some great information there and I can't wait til the next one J The sessions I was a part of were tremendous and there was some great conversation around all the topics. We need more of this, it was fantastic!!! -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Announcements] Cambium Networks CEO Phil Bolt to Keynote at WISPAPALOOZA Awards Dinner
This is gonna be great! I saw a sneak peek of their products last week, y'all are gonna love it! -drew From: announcements-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:announcements-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:28 PM To: announceme...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA Announcements] Cambium Networks CEO Phil Bolt to Keynote at WISPAPALOOZA Awards Dinner Cambium Networks CEO Phil Bolt to Keynote at WISPAPALOOZA Awards Dinner Sep. 20, 2011 - Phil Bolt, CEO of newly formed Cambium Networks, will share his vision of growth for Wireless Internet Service Providers (WISP) on Oct 12 at the WISPAPALOOZA https://netforum.avectra.com/eweb/Shopping/Shopping.aspx?Cart=0Site=WISPA conference Oct 10-12 in Las Vegas. Wireless ISPs provide broadband connectivity that is vitally important to business and residential customers around the world, says Mr. Bolt. Cambium Networks equips WISPs with the technology that makes them the best available supplier of connectivity for their target customers. As demand for broadband continues to grow, WISPs, Cambium Networks and our partners are uniquely positioned to grow by offering expanded service offerings and enabling new applications. Wireless ISPs provide broadband connectivity for business and residential customers. WISPs also provide video surveillance applications for business and government, communications infrastructure for enterprises, campus wide connectivity for business and education facilities along with residential broadband access. Cambium Networks is a significant contributor to the WISP industry, says Rick Harnish, Executive Director of WISPA. The Canopy and Orthogon product lines are cornerstones to the creation of the WISP industry. The investment in creating Cambium Networks speaks to the strength of the future of wireless broadband technology and provides a renewed focus on the growth of this industry. The WISPAPALOOZA conference offers a highly interactive forum for WISPA members to learn about new opportunities and approaches to become better, efficient and more successful. Cambium Networks' award winning Orthogon point-to-point (PTP) radio solutions operate in licensed, unlicensed and defined use frequency bands. With 99.999% availability, these ruggedized solutions have an impeccable track record for delivering reliable connectivity even in the most challenging RF environments. The flexible Canopy point-to-multipoint (PMP) access network solutions operate in the licensed, unlicensed and federal frequency bands, providing reliable, secure, cost effective connectivity. With more than 3 million modules deployed in networks around the world, PMP access network solutions are proven in residential access, leased line replacement, video surveillance and smart grid infrastructure applications. In his presentation, Mr. Bolt, with decades of experience in developing high performance technology, will share his views on the real world connectivity opportunities for WISPs. He will also share how the key assets of Cambium Networks are focused on growth opportunities for service providers, partners and end customers. # # # About Cambium Networks Cambium Networks provides professional grade fixed broadband and microwave solutions for network operators around the world. Deployed in thousands of networks in 120 countries, our industry leading technology provides reliable, secure, cost effective connectivity that works immediately and over time. Our ecosystem of partners, development engineers, and support teams work together to design and deliver innovative solutions that provide data, voice and video connectivity when and where it is needed. About WISPA http://www.wispa.org/ WISPA, a 501c6 trade association for the fixed wireless broadband industry works to promote the development, advancement and unification of the wireless Internet service provider industry. WISPAPALOOZA is a registered trademark of WISPA. Forward-Looking Statements This press release contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of applicable federal securities laws. These statements are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and generally include word such as believes, expects, intends, anticipates, estimates and similar expressions. We can give no assurance that any future results or events discussed in these statements will be achieved. Any forward-looking statements WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Providing data to NTIA for Broadband mapping?
I still don't understand why someone *wouldn't* be open to this. If the NTIA is asking for your info, and granted none of it is that confidential (especially if you use unlicensed), it is so they know where access is and isn't. When the maps are drawn and your info wasn't supplied, there will be a big hole in that area. When they go to hand out money, they will give it to someone to fill that gap. Excuse me for being naive, but I honestly don't understand why someone would purposefully set themselves up to get walked in on by competition, especially federally funded competition. Can someone enlighten me? -drew On Aug 3, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Talk to Brian Webster. He is a subcontractor for the Illinois mapping effort. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/3/2011 8:54 AM, Bret Clark wrote: So, like many of you, we're being asked to provide data to NTIA for broadband mapping, but as a private company I'm rather bothered by the confidential information they are asking for. They want to know such things as our spectrum use, antenna locations, antenna types, etc. so they can model our coverage area (something we already do with Radio Mobile). We tried for stimulas money, but got rejected so to be honest I have little interest in providing this information, not to mention having the data used by our competitors. I'm wondering how others felt about providing this information? Thanks Bret Spectra Access 25 Lowell Street, Manchester, NH 03101 www.spectraaccess.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world
Jack, this line stood out to me: Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together You know, I might be in the minority here, but I see great things with this. The fact that there is more stimulus money coming out to support building a wireless infrastructure in this country, to me, is phenomenal. By supporting groups like WISPA and making sure your voice is heard at the congressional level, maybe some of the money can make it into the right hands to tie together networks, allowing existing provides to increase build-out, and help this country move forward. If we don't band together to shed light on the subject of what can be done with the existing providers, you're right, money will go to new guys that don't have an existing business in more rural locations, who need to keep it local. The more we get the word out that we are present, available, and ready and willing to work with the powers that be (whether it be the FCC, the congress men and women, or their designated contractors), the better our voice sounds. Don't take this as a WISPA commercial .. take it as a big bright shining sign that we need to now, more than ever, collect ourselves and get our voice loud and proud where it matters. If its done right, we will all benefit from it. Maybe I am giving too much credit to our government, but maybe we all need to remember that change starts with every single one of us. If we all take one step forward towards fixing this instead of complaining about it, that's quite a few steps. -drew On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: I have written in a more eloquent way to various of my congresspeople, however, this was more of a quick rant on a yahoo message board. I am a true believer in democracy, capitalism, and the free market. I very strongly don't believe in socialism. I don't feel that the majority of those at the wheel at the moment have a clue as to what they are doing.They're more after sound bites and speech fodder. wispa is a good beginning for our industry, but there are some steps that would really help make some changes and mature this industry.. I'll try to put some of those down and post them up early next week. Marco On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Marco, Your letter makes some great points but in somewhat insulting way that may cause it to just be tossed aside rather than taken seriously. If you would like me to re-write a future letter for you so that it makes it's points in a more considerate way, I'll be happy to help you with that. I think this article shows just how far WISPs (and WISPA) need to go to make elected officials aware that all wireless isn't mobile. They seem unaware that WISPs supply FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND and that mobile broadband is (like Matt Larsen says) toy broadband. Rather than piss and moan, when are we going to get our act together and get our message about the benefits of FIXED WIRELESS BROADBAND out to Congress? jack On 2/10/2011 2:27 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: Here's some more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama my response: Dear Mr. President, I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company. I have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13 years. We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas. So far your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers but cause interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess things up. Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We may even do pretty well buying up all that equipment that was purchased with the peoples monies and squandered. Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it came with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, also an asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the unlicensed bands that us WISPs use. Marco Coelho President, Argon Technologies Inc. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today
[WISPA] Verizon to consider licensing 4g spectrum to rural carriers
I wonder if they are including WISPs in their rural carriers plan? Nevertheless, I¹m sure if the price is right you too can operate on 4g! Link pulled from another mailing list: http://www.telecompetitor.com/verizon-considering-licensing-4g-spectrum-to-r ural-wireless-carriers/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tranzeo to acquire Aperto
Didn't see this one coming but it looks like it could lead to some nice products for WISPs. http://bit.ly/bX4HTc Canadian Company Tranzeo Wireless to Acquire Aperto Networks Tranzeo strengthens its international market with complete broadband solution PITT MEADOWS, BRITISH COLUMBIA, Mar 31, 2010 (MARKETWIRE via COMTEX) -- BC-based Tranzeo Wireless Technologies Inc. (CA:TZT /investing/stock/TZT?countrycode=ca 1.61, +0.04, +2.55%), a premier manufacturer of wireless broadband and WiMAX communication systems, announced today it has entered into a definitive merger agreement with Aperto Networks, Inc. (Aperto) and key Aperto shareholders. Under the terms of the merger agreement, and upon the satisfaction of closing conditions, Aperto will be merged into a newly incorporated subsidiary of Tranzeo, with Aperto surviving and continuing to be operated as a wholly-owned subsidiary of Tranzeo. The merger will greatly increase Tranzeo's market share as it becomes a complete end-to-end broadband solutions provider featuring WiFi, WiMax and LTE products. Aperto's current backlog of all purchase orders is US$8.3 million. This will be added to Tranzeo's current backlog of US$32.7M. Acquiring Aperto immediately transforms Tranzeo into a market leading complete solutions provider for major telecommunications operators while still supplying product to Tranzeo's existing wireless Internet service providers, said Jim Tocher, President and CEO of Tranzeo. With an established world-wide customer base and a pipeline of new customers now in trials, the benefits of today's announcement will start to bear fruit within a year. The future for Tranzeo has never looked better. The combining of Tranzeo and Aperto is a big win for wireless service providers, said Randall Meals, Chairman of Aperto's Board and Managing Director of Quicksilver Ventures. We continue to be bullish on the broadband wireless market and now Tranzeo's position in the market. Existing Tranzeo and Aperto customers will greatly benefit from the combined technologies and complete solutions Tranzeo will now be able to provide. Tranzeo's responsiveness, world-class manufacturing and additional product breadth combined with Aperto's proven worldwide sales, support team, and channels will significantly benefit our customers on a global basis,said Bill Waters, Senior Vice President of Worldwide Sales and Support at Aperto Networks. I am looking forward to serving our existing customers, expanding our market and providing new solutions to our channel partners. This is very good news for TRG and the future of broadband services in Indonesia, said Gatot Tetuko, President of PT. Teknologi Riset Global (TRG), an affiliate company of leading telecommunication infrastructure provider the Indonesian Tower Group. With our joint development agreement with Tranzeo, this will give us access to additional advanced wireless technologies which we will incorporate into our broadband solutions. Tranzeo expects to complete the acquisition of Aperto through issuances of common shares to the stockholders of Aperto. Upon satisfaction of the required closing conditions, Tranzeo will issue common shares to the stockholders of Aperto based on a US$5 million base consideration amount, as adjusted for liabilities and cash of Aperto at closing. Subject to the satisfaction of certain additional earn-out conditions, Tranzeo may issue additional common shares to the stockholders of Aperto based on revenues attributable to certain products of Aperto that are sold by Tranzeo during a one-year earn-out period following the date of closing of the merger. These earn-out shares would be issued within 120 days of the expiry of the earn-out period. All share issuances will be based on the volume weighted average trading price of Tranzeo's common shares for the five trading days prior to this announcement of the Merger Agreement. The merger is anticipated to be completed in mid-April 2010. Completion of the merger will be subject to customary closing conditions, including the approval of the proposed merger by the Toronto Stock Exchange and by the stockholders of Aperto. Tranzeo stockholder approval is not required. Tranzeo has agreed to appoint a representative of Aperto to its board of directors on closing. The common shares proposed to be issued have not been registered under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, or any state securities laws, and may not be offered or sold in the United States without registration or an applicable exemption from applicable registration requirements in the US. This press release shall not constitute an offer to sell or the solicitation of an offer to buy nor shall there be any sale of the securities in any jurisdiction in which such offer, solicitation or sale would be unlawful. Tranzeo and the Tranzeo logo are registered trademarks of Tranzeo Wireless Technologies Inc.
[WISPA] FW: WISPs given short shrift
Just read this on another list, thought I would push it through to WISPA. Seems a little odd.. -drew Begin forwarded message: From: Brett Glass br...@lariat.net Date: March 16, 2010 8:32:38 AM EDT Subject: First erratum for National Broadband Plan: WISPs given short shrift Got up early this morning to begin reading the FCC's freshly released National Broadband Plan. Unfortunately, one of the first things I discovered -- after searching for the acronym WISP (wireless Internet service provider) -- is that the plan gives short shrift to our industry by making apples-to-oranges comparisons between the number of people actually SERVED by WISPs and the number of people COVERED by other forms of fixed wireless broadband. On page 77 of the report, a table purports to list the number of persons covered by various wireless technologies. But while it shows this number as 30 million (projected) for Clearwire and 6 million (also projected) for OpenRange Communications (the approximate populations of the geographic areas they cover or plan to cover), it quotes the number of people ACTUALLY SERVED by WISPs -- 2 million -- in the same table, making WISPs appear to have much less coverage than they actually do. In fact, as can be clearly seen on the static map at http://www.wirelessmapping.com/WISP%20National%20Map.png or the interactive Google map at http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm WISPs cover more than 250 million people -- the majority of the population of the United States and far more than either of these two individual providers. Could this very serious apples-to-oranges error have resulted in the plan's failure to recommend more of the specific policies which would facilitate WISPs' efforts to bring service to unserved and underserved areas at the lowest cost per square mile of any terrestrial broadband technology? Since the plan's Executive Summary states that the plan is still in beta, perhaps this can be the first erratum. --Brett Glass, LARIAT -- End of Forwarded Message WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased datadelivery is here to stay.
Just throwing this one in there as an FYI as of 2 days ago: http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/14/netflix-hitting-internet-capable-sony-bra via-sets-today/ Good news for folks who against all odds don't have a home theater Netflix streaming option yet, and yet inexplicably own an internet-connected Sony BRAVIA TV: Netflix just went live. It just takes applying the latest software update and you're in business. BRAVIA owners were promised the update back in July, and let us be the first to point and laugh insensitively at PS3 owners who have use a DVD to get Netflix working on their Cell-powered supermachines. -d On 11/15/09 7:43 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's part of the problem with WiMAX... they're throwing QoS only at a QoS AND bandwidth problem. WiMAX, that is, not necessarily 802.16d. 802.16d over a 15 or 20 MHz channel would be just fine. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 3:09 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased datadelivery is here to stay. I've been watching the thread about it with great interest.Partly because I was wondering if anyone was going to try my solution, which is, to attempt to be able to deliver the bandwidth to the people who want to use these, and have them work fine. Please understand, I'm not talking about a prioritizing scheme, which puts video ahead of surfing, etc. I'm just talking about how we're going to keep up with the future... In 2004 when I started, we used between 1 and and 1.5 gigs of data per customer per month. The last time I measured it, which was a year ago, we were up to more than 7. We're thinking about how we're going to meet the demands of the near future... not managing a shortage of bandwidth delivery. I'm nowhere near as leveraged as some of my competitors in terms of oversubscription, but that's not an excuse. I'm thinking of planning on a future delivery of 4 to 6 meg per customer, oversubscribed to around 4 to 6 to one. What is everyone else planning? - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddatadelivery is here to stay.
I use PlayOn on my 360 to access Hulu and Connect360 on my Mac for movies. I haven't subscribed to cable in about 3 years. :) On 11/16/09 11:34 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Xbox/PS3 connecting to TVersity is pure win when you've got all your DVDs, music, tv shows, pictures, etc stored on disk. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This weekend I purchased a Samsung Blu-Ray DVD player. It comes with an ethernet port to do Blockbuster, Netflix, Pandora and Youtube. The player was $179 at Sam's club. I used a Linksys WGT54G to connect it to my wireless network. It's pretty freaking cool. ;) Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: $200 Xbox or $200 module No thanks. Still kind of neat, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Andy Trimmellatrimm...@precisionds.com atrimm...@precisionds.comwrote: Here's a good example.http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9672957-1.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increaseddatadelivery is here to stay. I have a Sony Bravia - how does this work? There is no rj45 jack from what I recall. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Drew Lentz d...@drewlentz.com d...@drewlentz.com wrote: Just throwing this one in there as an FYI as of 2 days ago: http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/14/netflix-hitting-internet-capable-sony -brahttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/14/netflix-hitting-internet-capable-sony %0A-bra http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/14/netflix-hitting-internet-capable-sony%0A- bra via-sets-today/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/14/netflix-hitting-inter net-capable-sony-bra%0Avia-sets-today/ http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/14/netflix-hitting-internet-capable-sony-bra %0Avia-sets-today/ Good news for folks who against all odds don't have a home theater Netflix streaming option yet, and yet inexplicably own an internet-connected Sony BRAVIA TV: Netflix just went live. It just takes applying the latest software update and you're in business. BRAVIA owners were promised the update back in July, and let us be the first to point and laugh insensitively at PS3 owners who have use a DVD to get Netflix working on their Cell-powered supermachines. -d On 11/15/09 7:43 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's part of the problem with WiMAX... they're throwing QoS only at a QoS AND bandwidth problem. WiMAX, that is, not necessarily 802.16d. 802.16d over a 15 or 20 MHz channel would be just fine. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com -- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 3:09 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube... increased datadelivery is here to stay. I've been watching the thread about it with great interest. Partly because I was wondering if anyone was going to try my solution, which is, to attempt to be able to deliver the bandwidth to the people who want to use these, and have them work fine. Please understand, I'm not talking about a prioritizing scheme, which puts video ahead of surfing, etc. I'm just talking about how we're going to keep up with the future... In 2004 when I started, we used between 1 and and 1.5 gigs of data per customer per month. The last time I measured it, which was a year ago, we were up to more than 7. We're thinking about how we're going to meet the demands of the near future... not managing a shortage of bandwidth delivery. I'm nowhere near as leveraged as some of my competitors in terms of oversubscription, but that's not an excuse. I'm thinking of planning on a future delivery of 4 to 6 meg per customer, oversubscribed to around 4 to 6 to one. What is everyone else planning
Re: [WISPA] Big Brother's coming...
Contrib: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/03/traffic-cameras-billed-as-an swer-to-chicagos-budget-deficit.ars This time around, though, the company trumpeting the addition of these digital watchdogs isn't portraying them as useful tools for catching speedersinstead, camera provider InsureNet claims to have developed a simple yet complete answer that delivers totally accurate, instant insurance status verification. An additional unique advantage is that this system is also non-invasive, ensuring protection for every insurer and policyholder. The Chicago Sun-Times quotes InsureNet president Dr. Jonathan Miller on what the city might expect to earn with the system in 2009. Certainly, it will be well in excess of $100 million, Dr. Miller said. We think at least $200 million. And the upward projections are far higher. On 4/3/09 6:57 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Big Brother already started comming with those darn Traffic Cameras. I got 6 tickets (40mph in newly posted 25-30 mph zones) within 2 weeks. They plan to eventually have them at EVERY Intersection here. I'm suspecting more privacy will be lost as more networks become operated/controlled by governments. I'm hoping the Broadband Stimulus public safety goals means mobile broadband to officers on the street or inter-agency, and not more traffic control. PS. A little off topic to Cyber Security, but relevent to Big Brother :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: [WISPA] Big Brother's coming... http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Bill-Grants-President-Unprecedented-Cyber-S ecurity-Powers-504520/ Sometimes I wish people would REALLY pay attention. All this whining and moaning about how Bush violated our rights... Anyway... this is reason for concern for all of us. insert witty tagline here - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] IWCE 2009 / Motorola Partner Summit
If any of you all are going to be at the Motorola Partner Summit or IWCE in Las Vegas this week, drop me a note and we can meetup and talk about mesh, municipal projects, etc. etc. :) I¹m supposed to be on a panel for Mesh Networks 101 (Tuesday 8:00 AM) and New Advances in Wireless Video Surveillance (Thursday @ 2:45) -drew Drew Lentz drewle...@gmail.com 956 607 5850 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
I've used a couple of different methods, but one of my favorite (a little more expensive) is Huber Suhner FastWrap: http://www.hubersuhner.ca/co-ca-us/mozilla/products/hs-p-rf/hs-rf-connectors /hs-p-rf-con-access/ca-us-p-rf-con-access-fw I've used it from coast to coast to coast .. San fran to boston to south padre island, tx and it has withstood everything that can be thrown at it; snow, sleet, rain, hurricanes, intense sun and salt. It's easy to get into, saves connectors, and keeps fingers pookie-free :) -drew On 3/6/09 10:05 AM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: I don't know, as I understand it Mark was talking about mountain top with extreme elements. I live on the Oregon Coast, Oregon = lots of rain, the coast, lots of wind and rain. I have been taping for 10 years and must have 2,000 radios hung at least in all that time, and quality rubber tape and a vinyl layer has worked without issue. Heck, I've has two connectors that were untapped for a couple years that when I took them apart, where as dry as a bone and had no problems. One of them, the guys back yard was the ocean and the other a 1/2 mile away. What causes issues is when a person does a bad job tapping. When using tape, you have to stretch the tape and wrap with pressure. loose fitting tape is just asking for trouble. it creates little voids where water will sit and seep in. A tightly pulled rubber tape things out to almost teflon and gets into all the small pours of the joint. A few layers of rubber pulled tight is pretty much fool proof. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Anything that's easy to take off also won't hold water out as well I tried the vinyl tape, rubber tape, vinyl tape thing. Once. It didn't leak (you go past the vinyl tape by a quarter to a half inch) but I just couldn't bring myself to do it again. I'd rather take the time to remove the good stuff than take the time in bad weather to fix the easy stuff. Here's the trick to pulling the rubber tape off. Split it (lightly and carefully so you don't go thought the outer cable jacket) then start peeling it back with a needle nose pliers. Work from the cut outward, on both sides, a little at a time. Pretty soon you'll get to the point that you can just twist the pliers and the whole mess will come off pretty easily. Takes me about 5 minutes nowadays. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers There are two methods I can say work. Electrical tape the entire thing then cover it in coax seal. The purpose of the electrical tape is only to easily remove all the gunk off of the coax connector. I personally spend $10 on a new cable and seal then spending 15 to 30 minutes minimum trying to clean it off. Coax seal does a beautiful job of keeping the weather out. The worst part about Ohio weather is that we can get a build up of ice and have it melt and freeze within 24 hours. Finding how to seal our gear was a difficult task but has been solved. For the last couple of years we quit using PacWireless enclosures and stick with the no name brand 2 or 4 n hole enclosure with ribs and U bolts. Coax connectors sealed with a good foot of coax seal, from enclosure to the factory sealer of the coax cable. No problems in the last year or two since doing this. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541
[WISPA] Proposed data retention laws targeting ISPs, home WiFi users
From another list, but nevertheless very relevant... -d http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10168114-38.html Republican politicians on Thursday called for a sweeping new federal law that would require all Internet providers and operators of millions of WiFi access points, even hotels, local coffeeshops, and home users, to keep records about users for two years to aid police investigations... Translated, the Internet SAFETY Act applies not just to ATT, Comcast, Verizon, and so on -- but also to the tens of millions of homes with WiFi access points that use the standard method of dynamically assigning temporary addresses. The relevant bills: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:s.00436: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:h.r.01076: It's unclear why Sen. Cornyn and Rep. Smith want to target home WiFi users (plus companies, universities, schools, libraries). Smith has been at this data retention thing for over two years now, so he's had time to get it exactly right: http://news.cnet.com/2100-1028_3-6156948.html Before Democrats start bemoaning how censorial the Republicans are, let's remember affection for data retention laws is a bipartisan sentiment. The first politician in the U.S. Congress to draft such legislation was a Democrat (Diana DeGette). And the current attorney general, Eric Holder, said this when he was previously at DOJ: Certain data must be retained by ISPs for reasonable periods of time so that it can be accessible to law enforcement. (http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/dagceos.html) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Don't forget about Sascha's project @ CUWiN http://cuwireless.net/ -d On 2/19/09 5:13 AM, Matt Hardy mha...@ligowave.com wrote: I think you're thinking of the MIT Roofnet project? http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/roofnet/doku.php :) Scottie Arnett wrote: I was thinking of something else...can't remember what is was called. A college was replacing the firmware in some Netgear WGR614L(best I recall) routers and meshing the whole campus with it. Sorry for the confusion. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: John J. Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:49:14 + Some MME info http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MME_wireless_routing_protocol John -Original Message- From: Scottie Arnett [mailto:sarn...@info-ed.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 09:34 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com, 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Too give credit where credit is due...did not a university do this to begin with that worked really well...and all other versions are built on it? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: e...@wisp-router.com Reply-To: e...@wisp-router.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:36:32 + MikroTik has its MME implementation that is what should be used instead of using WDS for a mesh setup. MME is as true mesh as it gets. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:52:39 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Well there is also the mesh part too. Is this what you guys are talking about when you say MT mesh: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation. There are many, many more factors to consider when building an infrastructure mesh. The LigoMesh products take into account signal strength, hops from GW, node load, datarate, etc. to calculate the best path. Also, there are dedicated radios for uplink/downlink/service set to give high performance. On the other hand, if you don't need a carrier-grade infrastructure mesh, Wiligear products based on the WBD-500 do support Open-Mesh and should be available in the very near future on Streakwave's website with the option to have them preloaded with Open-mesh (board, indoor, and outdoor selections). I guess what I'm saying is that not all products are created equal and there is certainly a place for each one. Just be sure you know what you are getting! -Hal -Original Message- From: os10ru...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0430 Mr. Burgess, What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a highly detailed help/wiki online. I'm guessing too many people are making too much money doing their Mikrotik training to give it away for free. So because of the apparently steep learning curve I'm leery to make the leap. The more easily configurable (and less powerful) solutions such as Ubiquiti look more appealing to me at this point. Would you disagree with my perspective? Is making the leap not that bad? Greg On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that and it works :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: MT and a consultant ;) /me laughing while running for cover Sent via BlackBerry from
[WISPA] CES 2009 Trend: Web-enabled Televisions
http://dvice.com/archives/2009/01/red-hot_trends.php After the full day of press conferences preceding the opening of the Consumer Electronics Show (CES), there's one big trend that keeps coming up from every electronics company hawking their wares to the press corps. They all are cranking out TVs that can easily link up to the web. While we've seen a trickle of attempts, plans and half-hearted hookups to the internet in the past couple of years, this year at CES, that trickle has turned into a torrent. Web connectivity is at the top of the hype list for Samsung, LG, Sony, Panasonic, Sharp, and Toshiba. Why are they all so eager to make it easy for TV viewers to access online content from their living rooms? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 802.11y // Thoughts?
I have been hearing a lot of chatter over the last 2 months about 802.11y. I¹m not sure if I missed a thread about it or not, but what are the general thoughts? I just answered a question on LinkedIn about it. Here¹s the question and here¹s my answer to start the convo: Question: Will the new 802.11y standard affect the sales of proprietary WiMAX equipment? Since 802.11y gear operate in the 3650 - 3700 MHz band in the US, and it's based on WiFi, isn't it a better alternative to all that expensive WiMAX gear? My Answer: I think that if they are brought to market at the right price point, they will definitely offer an alternative to WiMAX / LTE basestations, especially for smaller WISPs and self-maintained users. The buzz that I have heard form these groups since the frequency announcements has always been around a 3650 product that is not WiMAX so that it is less expensive. When you couple 802.11 with the output power of this frequency set and the contention based protocols for backoff to allow it to play nicer, I think it could be the start of something great. I really think the price point is going to be the determining factor though. What are y¹alls thoughts on Y? Here¹s a link to the Wikipedia entry for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11y Also, have any vendors come out and said they will support Y? I can¹t think of any off the top of my head... Hope you all had a Merry Christmas!! -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] NetFlix via Tivo announced today
NetFlix made their Tivo announcement early this morning: LIGHTS, CAMERA, ACTION! MOVIES AND TV EPISODES FROM NETFLIX DIRECTLY TO THE TV THROUGH TIVO DVRs AVAILABLE TODAY Just in Time for the Holidays, Offering Brings Budget Conscious Entertainment to Consumers ALVISO, Calif. - December 8, 2008 - After announcing a groundbreaking partnership in October with Netflix Inc., TiVo Inc. (NASDAQ: TIVO), the creator of and a leader in television services for digital video recorders (DVRs), today announced that subscribers to both Netflix and TiVo® Series3, TiVo HD, or TiVo HD XL can now access thousands of movies and TV episodes instantly streamed from Netflix directly to their TVs. The service is being offered at no additional charge to customers who subscribe to both services. This morning subscribers can browse through an expanding library of more than 12,000 movies and TV episodes at www.netflix.com, add them to their Netflix instant Queue, and then watch them on TV with just a click of the TiVo remote. The library includes titles from every genre, with a modest selection of HD content available as well. Both standard and HD titles are expected to grow in the weeks and months ahead. With so much talk focusing on the economy these days, this partnership makes more sense than ever because it brings people more movies at home, offering substantially more entertainment options than cable or satellite, said Tara Maitra, GM and Vice President of Content Services at TiVo Inc. TiVo offers consumers everything they need from just one box. Not only great content from Netflix, but also movies from The Walt Disney Studios and Amazon, music from Rhapsody, videos from YouTube and even pictures from Picasa Web Albums and Photobucket. And that's all in addition to TiVo's core functionality that made us a favorite in the first place. It adds up to a one-of-a-kind value. Netflix offers an unbeatable combination of convenience, selection, and value, which now extends to TiVo customers, said Netflix Chief Marketing Officer Leslie Kilgore. This partnership is a win-win-win for Netflix, TiVo, and consumers alike. Movies are streamed from Netflix through TiVo DVRs via wired or wireless broadband connection and a Netflix Queue-based user interface. Members visit the Netflix Web site to add movies and TV episodes to their individual instant Queues. Those choices will automatically be displayed on subscribers' TVs and are available to watch instantly through the TiVo service. With the TiVo remote control users can browse their instant Queue, make selections right on the TV screen, as well as read synopses and rate movies. In addition, they have the option of pausing, fast-forwarding, rewinding and re-starting whenever they wish. For more information on how to have movies instantly streamed from Netflix via your TiVo DVR visit www.tivo.com/netflix. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/05/richard_bennett_bittorrent_udp/ ³The next official release of the uTorrent client currently in alpha test replaces TCP with a custom-built transport protocol called uTP, layered over the same UDP protocol used by VoIP and gaming. According to BitTorrent marketing manager Simon Morris, the motivation for this switch (which I incorrectly characterized in The Register earlier this week as merely another attempt to escape traffic shaping) is to better detect and avoid network congestion.² WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release
To me this is the scary part: The overall picture suggests that uTP has a serious flaw. If it simply relies on latency measurements to find preferred paths, it¹s likely to favor paths where it¹s successfully circumventing management. When a path is managed to give UDP priority over TCP (as is apparently the case in the Bell Canada network,) uTP will see that path as uncongested even as it's struggling to deliver TCP. In this case, uTP will in fact impair other applications, as we suggested in our previous piece. Another solution would be for traffic shapers to look inside the UDP payload in order to differentiate VoIP from uTP, but this approach is frustrated by the protocol obfuscation option that remains a live feature in BitTorrent over uTP. uTP will cause traffic shaping to become more expensive. On 12/8/08 11:02 AM, Steve Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Think the author had it right the first time. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew Lentz Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP in next release http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/05/richard_bennett_bittorrent_udp/ ³The next official release of the uTorrent client currently in alpha test replaces TCP with a custom-built transport protocol called uTP, layered over the same UDP protocol used by VoIP and gaming. According to BitTorrent marketing manager Simon Morris, the motivation for this switch (which I incorrectly characterized in The Register earlier this week as merely another attempt to escape traffic shaping) is to better detect and avoid network congestion.² -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ATT Cell Band
1900 850 I believe. -d On 12/8/08 3:55 PM, Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know what band ATT uses for cell service? I have a client that needs cell amplifiers put in a 100,000 sqft warehouse they just changed from Nextel to ATT. Thanks __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net/ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The fastest ISPs in America.. And only WildBlue was mentioned as wireless???
I just ran across this article from PC Magazine about the fastest ISPs in America and nowhere on there, other than WildBlue, does it mention wireless! That sucks! Here¹s the article: http://www.pcmag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a%253D234501,00.asp Boycott PCMag or what? :-) -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC to put Free Wireless web access on table?
From Wall Street Journal today: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122809560499668087.html ³Outgoing Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin is pushing for action in December on a plan to offer free, pornography-free wireless Internet service to all Americans, despite objections from the wireless industry and some consumer groups.² I know its been knocked down before, but every time it comes up, it sparks conversation. -d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Obviously upstream costs vary depending on where you are located. That isn't the whole issue here. At the last wisp we built out, we were accessing dual DS-3s at 2 central points and distributing them via 155Mbps radios throughout 6000 square miles. We found the lowest cost upstream provider at the time (WilTel which is now Level3) and piped it to where we needed it. We spent the money on the front end to provide high bandwidth services to where we would need it in the future so that we didn't have to worry about existing infrastructure. Those pipes are now now starting to fill up (from what I understand, I am no longer at that company) and they are adding more capacity on existing tower sites. On the microwave side, solutions from companies like DragonWave, Ceragon, Nera, and Bridgewave give you tons of bandwidth availability. If you want to push hundreds of megabits of transfer, there are equipment solutions that are out there available to do so. I work with WISPs, carriers, private end-users, and agencies on a day to day basis that are upgrading their pipes today to get them in the lead tomorrow. Just because you are in a rural area (I hail from McAllen, TX on the US/Mexico border .. Pretty rural here too!) doesn't mean that you can't begin to provide the same types of service that are available in metro areas. Wok with your local fiber carriers, find out where their pops are, talk to them about tower co-location or dropping fiber to a nearby area to save on local loop charges, and shoot it to your NOC. There are a ton of different ways to skin this cat, and the equipment is there to help you do it. Some of it may be less expensive than you think too! -drew On 11/25/08 2:13 AM, Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Drew, I once thought the world was full of rednecks and southern bells, until I got out of the southern United States a few times. As a matter of fact, I thought Vegas hung the moon! I am not sure where you hail from, but can you give us an idea of what your upstream cost are? That makes ALL the difference in our discussion! MY point is that even though I service very rural peeps, that they expect the same service that their kinfolk have in metro areas! IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! Now or NEVER unless there are some major undertakings! Not saying this will happen everywhere, but 3 Mb/s is the MOST anyone can buy at the moment, at $75/mth. And if you are deploying Fiber or some wireless technology that you can sustain streaming from for over 50 consumers at once at 2 MBps, we would love to hear about it and the statistics. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:26:16 -0600 The point that I was getting at when this thread started about 24 hours ago was about having an all you can eat type service. As it stands right now, how many ISPs are offering plans of 768k or 1Mbps or 3 Mbps? This is not going to cut it in the future. This is not going to cut it next year. I wasn't trying to say well hell just buy more radios in the same frequency space and put them up on the towers .. What I am getting at is that opening these subs up and supplying the bandwidth they need is going to have to become a reality at some point. If the networks that are in place today cannot satisfy that need, there will be other networks in the future that WILL be there. For what they have done with the physics side of it (i.e. Modulation schemes, channel reuse, beam forming, etc.) technologies exist or are being worked on to milk everything out of that valuable spectrum that we all try and operate in. The cars on the bike trail is a perfect example .. Luckily whether its 3.65 or TVWS or the 700 MHz auctions, that spectrum is becoming available. The hope is that the operators that are around today see this and position or align themselves (because yes Charles, the cold reality does hit you pretty quiickly!) to take advantage of this as soon as they can. And that doesn't mean just for the distribution side of their network. The backhaul, the routing, the switching, all have to be in place for this to operate properly. All too often have a seen pieced together WISPS fail due to bad switching equipment .. well heck, this Netgear switch is only $59!! Jack, I truly appreciate your perspective on this and I completely understand the side of it you are coming from. True, the amount of unlicensed space that is out there currently will not hold a network that supports as you said high-throughput, high-reliability, moderate-cost, non-interfering networks .. But that is today. With innovation in communications, as it has been proven time and again, where there's a will there's a way. Maybe the 5GHz spectrum can't hold what it needs to on its own, maybe there isnt a modulation scheme for stuffing more bits per hertz
[WISPA] WiMax handoff from 3.65 to 2.5
Copypasta from Dailywireless.org: Link to story: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Airspan-Succeeds-First-Ever-Multi/stor y.aspx?guid=%7B2AD0C2CD-055D-479A-9492-E835F5ABAF3A%7D Airspan Networks announced today that it has successfully demonstrated seamless, uninterrupted handover from one frequency band on a mobile WiMAX network to another frequency band (pdf). A handover provides seamless transfer from one base station to another without loss or interruption of service. As mobile WiMAX deployments become more common, users will benefit from the ability to transfer from one operating network to another. For instance, in the United States, a user with an Airspan MiMAX USB device connected to their laptop may be able to roam from a license-exempt 3.65 GHz network into a national, license-owned 2.5 GHz WiMAX network. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
Rick, I got to get my hands on a couple of Bullets this past week. They work as expected with no real huge differences over the NS5s and PS5, operationally. I still prefer the PowerStations as clients personally because of the all in one package with a nice coupled antenna. I have still heard and seen problems with the SMA ext. connector on the NS5, so this definitely resolves that issue! I think it is a great idea and the price point is exceptional. I see it as more of an AP application when combined with sectorized antennas or as a CPE with high gain directionals. I didn't get to test the functionality of software (like the IPSEC VPN that was requested) but I did see the same type of patterns as with the other Ubiquiti AirOS platforms, for what its worth. These things are gonna be great. -drew On 11/26/08 12:48 AM, RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used and loved Trango at the last WISP I owned/operated in West Palm. With my current operation, Tranzeo works well too and I'm starting to really enjoy MikroTik but nothing can replace my Trango! Maybe Ubiquiti. I 'm looking forward to the bullet. I hope it works well. Anyone get an early release? -RickG On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:51 AM, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: trango and have now given up on a successor to the product line. Allthough that is true... Its also important to note Even today, with the other newer more updated options out there When I have a choice. And I need to guarantee the link will work the first trip onsite, and I need to rely on it Trango is still my first choice that I pull off the shelve to install. When the originial product of 8 years ago works so well, its hard for the manufacturer to justify changing it. Still to this day There is not another product on the market that can offer what Trango PtMP offers now from its yr 2000 design. Sure, we are all migrating to higher capacity gear options where we can but its not feasible or necessary everywhere. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays? Josh, I think this was the point. The Trango 5800 series (the 5830 radio) was the top of the line product when it first came out (2001 or 2002 I think). There was nothing else on the market (including Canopy) when Trango first started shipping this product. However, nothing has been done with it since then. They made two failed attempts, and have now given up on a successor to the product line. Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: I must be using a different product line then everyone else here - the Trango Access 5800 has left quite a bit to be desired - short range and at most 7mbps throughput. Mikrotik (costing less new then Trango used) easily outperforms in wireless distance, throughput and (my favorite) capability. I have no experience with Canopy but I can imagine from all the great buffs it gets around here and their well known history in wireless I don't doubt it is a good product. Redline is to radios as Sony is to LCDs. Can't be beat in quality... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a value decision. If there was an AP that would deliver 100Mbps and could support 1000 subscribers, I would be willing to pay $10,000+ for it today. There is a real gap in the products that are available on the market: I don't disagree with your assessment of the current product matrix. I don't even assume that ALL WISPs are cheap. I am not sure I would say that even MOST of them are cheap. But enough of them are that the middle of the road products you want are missing in action. Next = Mikrotik Next = Trango, Canopy, etc Since they have fixed their wireless, I'd put MT in the same class as Trango and Canopy. So, again, why hasn't there been an evolution of products the last 2-3 years? Did everyone stop normal RD to focus on WiMax? I have an opinion (which I stated in rant form) about what happened to the RD. The Canopy line (which is a very nice radio) is a good example. Motorola has delivered a product that just works. It is expensive compared to other products sold to the same marketplace, but it is NOT expensive for what it delivers. Better, yet, they are working to make a new product line that will improve upon what is available today. But their primary market isn't the normal WISP. They service companies that are better funded, which typically means larger
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Jack, You are absolutely right about this. In the first email you asked if that had been figured in to my thinking of open unfiltered access. It has. Spectrum is a valuable resource and there is only so much of it to go around in each of the allocated frequency sets that are available today. As you said in your email: It's not a question of fitting the business model; it's a question of fitting today's current technology model. With limited license-free frequency availability, a WISP can only serve X amount of bandwidth to Y number of customers. Two points here: 1. Today's technology does limit the amount of bandwidth per AP and the amount of simultaneous subs per ap .. But that is today's technology. Although pushing the manufacturer can help this situation, it can't solve it by itself. With most Aps supporting only a 20Mb backplane, your point is very clear. With 3.65 availabity and 50 MHz of spectrum now available .. (ok, 25 for now, fair is fair) and TVWS on edge of realization, I think the spectrum will start to open up. Unless there are new modulation schemes adapted and applied to take advantage of the used and abused 2 and 5 GHz spaces, I think this is our best bet. Today's technology does have its limitations, but tomorrows will not. 2. License-free spectrum. This is not a licensed-free only issue. Now that WISPs have access to other bands available, and there have been partnership opportunities available for some in the MMDS/ITFS (BRS/EBS .. Whatever ;)) range, this takes the chains of working in unlicensed spectrum away from those who have been held by it for so long. Again, the equipment performance plays here too, but it is definetly a trend that hopefully will play out nicely. As spectrum becomes available and the devices are created and pushed to market to support the higher usage requirements of consumer products, it will start to become even more competitive in the very near future. -d On 11/24/08 12:10 PM, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, There are real physical limits to the amount of throughput that a radio channel (X MHz wide) can handle. Ranting at manufacturers isn't going to change this very much. You can only flow so much water through a pipe. Increase the pressure without increasing the pipe diameter and the pipe bursts. This issue is physics-based so ranting may make you feel better but when you're done, the same physical constraints remain. This is why having enough spectrum space (enough channels) is so important. Bottom line is WISPs don't have enough spectrum space to deliver all that throughput reliably to all those customers without creating interference for every other network operator out there. jack Mike Hammett wrote: rantThis is why we need gear capable of higher throughputs. Too many WISPs out there don't press their manufacturers. They'd rather just put up a couple Canopy radios and complain on a list about how they can't deliver X, Y, or Z to a customer. I have complained to manufacturers. WiMAX is NOT the answer we are looking for. Most of the gear being released in the US is using small channel sizes, so small throughput. I will not purchase another AP unless it is able to deliver 40 mbit of throughput, end of story. Fortunately for me, they're out there... Mikrotik can (though uses a lot of spectrum). Deliberant is working on it. I believe the new Canopy is close. Orthogon can do 300 mbit in 30 MHz... expensive, but it can be done. Where are the engineers at the other companies? Where are the PtMP products? I haven't purchased any of their products, but from what I hear, Deliberant is going to do 70 mbit in 20 MHz by spring. Not as good as Orthogon, but a lot better than anyone else out there. 20 MHz of WiMAX could produce acceptable speeds, but no one is doing it. sarcasmBuying an $8k WiMAX AP that only does 15 megabit sounds like a great idea!/sarcasmI could MAYBE see $8k for a TV whitespaces AP that supported bonding of several channels (say 4 or 5)... In 3650 or 5 gig, no thanks. Where has the innovation in the last few years gone?/rant - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Charging a customer by their actually usage is the most 'real' method of billing. In fact the unlimited model is the artificial one that is used to entice people into buying. If the customer always fully utilized their $30/month worth of bandwidth you would go broke. That is a great point. Look at the Cell industry and the push to unlimited plans. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
This is the statement that got me: One argument that I have had people tell me, is that the ISP should know this is coming and should have planned for it. Whether it is through watching the amount of bandwidth used over periods of time as a trend or doing market research to find out what is coming down the line in technology, this statement holds pretty strong. Best practices tell you to build your network for your needs tomorrow, not for today, not for yesterday. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
The point that I was getting at when this thread started about 24 hours ago was about having an all you can eat type service. As it stands right now, how many ISPs are offering plans of 768k or 1Mbps or 3 Mbps? This is not going to cut it in the future. This is not going to cut it next year. I wasn't trying to say well hell just buy more radios in the same frequency space and put them up on the towers .. What I am getting at is that opening these subs up and supplying the bandwidth they need is going to have to become a reality at some point. If the networks that are in place today cannot satisfy that need, there will be other networks in the future that WILL be there. For what they have done with the physics side of it (i.e. Modulation schemes, channel reuse, beam forming, etc.) technologies exist or are being worked on to milk everything out of that valuable spectrum that we all try and operate in. The cars on the bike trail is a perfect example .. Luckily whether its 3.65 or TVWS or the 700 MHz auctions, that spectrum is becoming available. The hope is that the operators that are around today see this and position or align themselves (because yes Charles, the cold reality does hit you pretty quiickly!) to take advantage of this as soon as they can. And that doesn't mean just for the distribution side of their network. The backhaul, the routing, the switching, all have to be in place for this to operate properly. All too often have a seen pieced together WISPS fail due to bad switching equipment .. well heck, this Netgear switch is only $59!! Jack, I truly appreciate your perspective on this and I completely understand the side of it you are coming from. True, the amount of unlicensed space that is out there currently will not hold a network that supports as you said high-throughput, high-reliability, moderate-cost, non-interfering networks .. But that is today. With innovation in communications, as it has been proven time and again, where there's a will there's a way. Maybe the 5GHz spectrum can't hold what it needs to on its own, maybe there isnt a modulation scheme for stuffing more bits per hertz available today .. But that does not mean that multi-frequency equipment or innovation will not exist in the future. -drew On 11/25/08 1:01 AM, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Drew, As I've mentioned before - wireless physics does not allow you to simply and affordably build your network for tomorrow but you do not yet understand this point. No matter what the customer wants (or demands) and no matter how much the WISP wants to build a high-throughput network at a reasonable price, wireless physics (specifically the lack of available spectrum) prevents this. With limited spectrum (which is what we have today in spite of the arguments that we have WiMAX in 3650 and future White Space and opportunities to partner with licensed carriers) WISPs can not build high-throughput, high-reliability, moderate-cost, non-interfering networks that serve a lot of customers without having access to more spectrum. As you point out, watching bandwidth needs so you can know what's coming and plan accordingly is important but you can not make physics (that's what happens in the REAL world) bend to your business and marketing models. The exact opposite happens - marketing plans fail because the technology (the real-world PHYSICAL behavior) does not obey the marketing plan. There's nothing personal here - the PHYSICAL reality calls the shots and it always wins. For example, it doesn't matter that I want (and General Motors marketing plan may call for) a safe, five-passenger car that goes 200 MPH all day and gets 100 MPG up and down an unpaved bicycle trail through the Colorado Rockies along with 100 other cars simultaneously and costs only $3000 to buy. You and I both recognize that in spite of the marketing plan, it just is not going to physically work. No company could build such a car for $3000 and if someone did, it would run off the trail within 30 seconds as it accelerated, especially if there were 100 other similar 200 MPH cars on the same bicycle trail. The bike trail just can't support that kind of traffic even if the car could be built for $3000. Wireless channel needs are the same. To support a lot of traffic simultaneously needs a very wide road - a very wide, unshared channel. Now I'm going to explain why I keep emphasizing this point - because it needs to be understood so that the focus is placed in the proper area to solve the problem - more spectrum. Yes - some wireless vendors aren't delivering innovative products and some WISP owners aren't planning and deploying properly but even when vendors do innovate and WISP owners plan properly, SPECTRUM IS STILL NEEDED or the wireless physics won't work and the wireless throughput still won't be delivered. Again, this isn't personal. I just refuse to allow this discussion to be thrown off-track because
Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
PureWave Aperto Vecima Three off the top of my head. -d On 11/24/08 10:32 PM, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a value decision. If there was an AP that would deliver 100Mbps and could support 1000 subscribers, I would be willing to pay $10,000+ for it today. There is a real gap in the products that are available on the market: At the bottom = Linksys Next = Mikrotik Next = Trango, Canopy, etc gap Top = licensed Alvarion, Redline, etc. This is the market that is not being served. There are plenty of backhaul solutions, router solutions, etc. but the very last mile AP/CPE for the higher end is what is missing. I'm not interested in paying $50,000 per base station (Alvarion WiMax), but I don't want to pay $10,000 for a solution that uses an entire band (Canopy 5700 for example) and only delivers 84Mbps of total capacity (when even lower end products can deliver 2x or 3x that in the same spectrum). So, again, why hasn't there been an evolution of products the last 2-3 years? Did everyone stop normal RD to focus on WiMax? Travis Microserv Butch Evans wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Mike Hammett wrote: Where has the innovation in the last few years gone?/rant How many in this industry bitch and moan over the cost of gear? How many would purchase an AP at under $200 and STILL think that's too high? How many in this industry are willing to purchase something JUST BECAUSE IT IS CHEAPER? Look at how many people in this industry are using DSL as a transport to the Internet. Answer THOSE questions and you'll begin the see the answer to YOUR question. The problem isn't just us. The big boys have been busy trying to drive pricing levels down in an attempt to buy the market. And too many of us have decided that we have to compete on price alone, so we found ways to cut cost by buying cheaper gear (there are 2 WISPs within a 30 minute drive of my house that are selling service using Linksys gear for APs). There is at least 3 WISPs whose service would cover my house that have DSL for their internet connection. I'm not condemming the practice as much as I am attempting to illustrate WHY the innovation is leaving the industry. It is NOT gone. It just doesn't exist in the price range that MOST people are willing to pay (WISPs, that is). -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
I have been streaming Netflix movies as well as Hulu and CBS content for quite sometime now on the Xbox using MediaMall's PlayOn. It is a great piece of free (for now) software that lets you interface to major content providers from a laptop to your Xbox 360. The numbers are about the same as the Netflix content, maybe a little less. Anyhow, this trend of streaming video sure is coming along nicely. I cancelled my cable months ago and get all of my movies and TV off of the web (Family Guy and the Office via Hulu!!) I hope no one is still paying for tiered services on Frac DS3s ... Ouch!!! -d On 11/23/08 4:23 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, but if you look at Dennis's data, it appears to me that the average was in the hundreds of K. But maybe I didn't read it correctly. - Original Message - From: Michael Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Chuck it won't work, here are some more specifics, on the codecs utilized and bandwidth requirements. The bottom two streams 500/1000k are pretty low quality. We are a facilities based CLEC and have done a bit of testing with the Roku's, for product bundles. http://blog.netflix.com/2008/11/encoding-for-streaming.html Regards Michael Baird Did I interpret your data correctly to mean that if you had a sustained 256Kbps it would work? - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 2:42 PM Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox 360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs. Soon as you hear, gigs, you may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end video stream. So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are interested in how much bandwidth this service uses! A You can see my data at http://www.linktechs.net/netflix.asp. Feel free to shoot me a e-mail off-list if you have any questions! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
I'm all for open systems. Limiting the amount of bandwidth at any level is, to me, a terrible thing to do. I understand that it doesn't necessarily fit the model as it applies to today's business for many ISPs, but, maybe its time to change the model. This is where the separation of providers starts to take shape. The networks that can handle these loads and supply the end-user are going to win the customers. I honestly think the demand of large scale bandwidth is going to be fed to the end-user by the consumer electronics market. Look at CES last year. Look how many devices demand connectivity at certain levels. If your current service provider can't get you what you need, there will always be someone else who can. There is some great info here from a recent conference: http://www4.gsb.columbia.edu/citi/events/summit2008 Take a look at the slides. I like the reference to the slide where it breaks down how much bandwidth utilization there is expected to be per household: 35+ Mbps (and those are numbers from 2006!) 4 VoIP lines @ 100Kbps 2 SDTVs @ 2Mbps 2 HDTVs @ 9 Mbps 1 Gaming device @ 1Mbps 1 High Spedd Internet @ 10Mbps Scary how quickly it adds up :) My favorite quote: ³By the year 2010 bandwidth for 20 homes will generate more traffic than entire Internet in 1995² -d On 11/24/08 12:24 AM, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: It will be interesting to see how this plays out... the amount of bandwidth required to sustain this type of service is not cost effective. My upstream costs alone are over $50/Mbps. So if someone wants to run a constant 2Mbps stream, my raw cost is $100 per month (not including backhaul, support, AP costs, etc.). Wait until people realize that this type of service isn't going to be free as they think now when they get a $150/month internet bill, the $40 for DishTV will look pretty good. ;) Even the cable companies are feeling the burn here: http://tinyurl.com/3oufk8 Or a better story: http://news.cnet.com/2100-1034_3-5079624.html I am glad to see these types of reports coming out. The cable ops and telcos have been rapidly trying to commoditize Internet access services and now they are realizing how stupid that was. In my opinion, high profile companies that are setting these limits are going to help the smaller guys (that's us) get away with what, in many cases, we were already doing. BW caps are something that will HAVE to happen in one form or another. RANT Where are all the net neutrality people now? Why aren't you all arguing that something like this is not relevant? Isn't this something that you have all asked for? I mean, if I sell someone a 2 meg connection, shouldn't they (and everyone else on the system) be able to run at 2 meg for the whole month? What difference does it make if I am buying a wireless connection, DSL or cable connection? In a net neutral environment, should it matter that I am streaming this type of content? /RANT I feel better. ;-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
In areas like yours, though, some would argue that is the perfect place for some type of licensed LTE/WiMAX type of service. Even with a Canopy type service it would beat down the doors of the telco offering only 3Mbps of service. As more and more devices have bandwidth requirements, the service providers will fall into line, I believe. Everyone has always pushed for more bandwidth, but it as always come from the customers as opposed to the devices. It seems like now, the device requirements will leave the customer with no choice and force them into a decision of higher consumption. As far as furthering the digital divide, I don't think it will hurt it all that bad. On the contrary what would be nice to see is the communications mediums becoming less expensive because of the amount of services required. Just like the price of bandwidth has changed over the years, I think it will continue to drop. I would love to see some research data on the cost per MB over the last 10 years and see what the trend is like. That combined with less expensive and functional equipment (UBNT's Bullet, the introduction of Mikrotik years ago, for examples) gives operators the ability to put more bandwidth than before in users hands at a fraction of the cost. I think more than anything it will come down to a backhaul battle. Fiber to the node, fiber to the AP, high capacity microwave links (Bridgewave, Dragonwave, Ceragon, etc) These are all going to be critically important to aggregate and transport these huge amounts of data. On 11/24/08 1:06 AM, Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will further the digital divide. Rural remote locations will be again left in the boon docks. Where I live, 3 meg DSL is the fastest available connection at $75/mth. Cheapest T1 here is over $600/mth, and fiber? forget it, can't get it unless you want to build about 4 towers just to backhaul, or pay $1200/mth for each cell tower to put them on. Why should the small ISP's foot the bill for Netflix and these companies that are making million's of dollars more than we are? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:41:41 -0600 I'm all for open systems. Limiting the amount of bandwidth at any level is, to me, a terrible thing to do. I understand that it doesn't necessarily fit the model as it applies to today's business for many ISPs, but, maybe its time to change the model. This is where the separation of providers starts to take shape. The networks that can handle these loads and supply the end-user are going to win the customers. I honestly think the demand of large scale bandwidth is going to be fed to the end-user by the consumer electronics market. Look at CES last year. Look how many devices demand connectivity at certain levels. If your current service provider can't get you what you need, there will always be someone else who can. There is some great info here from a recent conference: http://www4.gsb.columbia.edu/citi/events/summit2008 Take a look at the slides. I like the reference to the slide where it breaks down how much bandwidth utilization there is expected to be per household: 35+ Mbps (and those are numbers from 2006!) 4 VoIP lines @ 100Kbps 2 SDTVs @ 2Mbps 2 HDTVs @ 9 Mbps 1 Gaming device @ 1Mbps 1 High Spedd Internet @ 10Mbps Scary how quickly it adds up :) My favorite quote: ³By the year 2010 bandwidth for 20 homes will generate more traffic than entire Internet in 1995² -d On 11/24/08 12:24 AM, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: It will be interesting to see how this plays out... the amount of bandwidth required to sustain this type of service is not cost effective. My upstream costs alone are over $50/Mbps. So if someone wants to run a constant 2Mbps stream, my raw cost is $100 per month (not including backhaul, support, AP costs, etc.). Wait until people realize that this type of service isn't going to be free as they think now when they get a $150/month internet bill, the $40 for DishTV will look pretty good. ;) Even the cable companies are feeling the burn here: http://tinyurl.com/3oufk8 Or a better story: http://news.cnet.com/2100-1034_3-5079624.html I am glad to see these types of reports coming out. The cable ops and telcos have been rapidly trying to commoditize Internet access services and now they are realizing how stupid that was. In my opinion, high profile companies that are setting these limits are going to help the smaller guys (that's us) get away with what, in many cases, we were already doing. BW caps are something that will HAVE to happen in one form or another. RANT Where are all the net neutrality people now? Why aren't you all arguing that something like this is not relevant? Isn't this something
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor
We actually did that. We used Outdoor stainless steel garage refrigerators to house Alvarion equipment on towers and it worked extremely well!! Here's another one: I don't know if any of y'all ever heard the ramblings of what we did with our Navini equipment years ago. But, let's just say that we ended up with data centers in the sky which were 12 1/2' tall by 3 1/2' wide and 3' deep. They weighed 3,600 pounds, contained Navini BTS equipment, a serial interface router, a Cisco Catalyst 5505, remote power cycling equipment and 2 RV air conditioners. You entered through the bottom of the box and there was a catwalk underneath the entrance for safety! They were 1/2 steel lined with Kevlar (it's Texas!!) and blown over with polyurethane! All this at 460 feet AGL on 480' guyed towers. We saved a TON (ha!) on cable costs @ 27 runs of LMR-900 each at 500'. We later moved on to a 9' cylinder design that had 2 19 racks on either side of the entrance on the bottom. I think all but 1 of them have been taken down, but that 1 has been through 2 hurricanes and is still serving clients! -d On 11/18/08 9:01 PM, CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, the guys in Las Vegas said they used the small apartment refrigerators, and they kept them plugged in on their roof tops set on med low. , no freezer/ ice compartment. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor I think Marlon has an old refrigerator for an enclosure at one of his sites! I am looking for a 10x20 reefer enclosure for one of my remote sites. ryan Jack Unger wrote: Necessity (so they say) is the Mother of Invention. Drew Lentz wrote: Since today is wireless geek humor day, I submit to you the following photograph taken this weekend: The preferred product of all-weather enclosures on the US/Mexico border in South Texas! Igloo Coolers! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor
If anyone cares to see it, I dug up the presentation I did at Broadband Wireless World 2005 (when it was still independent! Haha) and converted it to PDF. It's got pics of the enclosures on there and it was previously published so I should be in the clear from my old boss! Enjoy! You can get it here: http://www.drewlentz.com/BWW05-Rioplex-Drew.pdf It's about 9.5MB On 11/18/08 9:56 PM, Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would absolutely love to see pictures of that. Makes me want to make my way to Texas =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We actually did that. We used Outdoor stainless steel garage refrigerators to house Alvarion equipment on towers and it worked extremely well!! Here's another one: I don't know if any of y'all ever heard the ramblings of what we did with our Navini equipment years ago. But, let's just say that we ended up with data centers in the sky which were 12 1/2' tall by 3 1/2' wide and 3' deep. They weighed 3,600 pounds, contained Navini BTS equipment, a serial interface router, a Cisco Catalyst 5505, remote power cycling equipment and 2 RV air conditioners. You entered through the bottom of the box and there was a catwalk underneath the entrance for safety! They were 1/2 steel lined with Kevlar (it's Texas!!) and blown over with polyurethane! All this at 460 feet AGL on 480' guyed towers. We saved a TON (ha!) on cable costs @ 27 runs of LMR-900 each at 500'. We later moved on to a 9' cylinder design that had 2 19 racks on either side of the entrance on the bottom. I think all but 1 of them have been taken down, but that 1 has been through 2 hurricanes and is still serving clients! -d On 11/18/08 9:01 PM, CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, the guys in Las Vegas said they used the small apartment refrigerators, and they kept them plugged in on their roof tops set on med low. , no freezer/ ice compartment. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outdoor Rated Enclosures - Humor I think Marlon has an old refrigerator for an enclosure at one of his sites! I am looking for a 10x20 reefer enclosure for one of my remote sites. ryan Jack Unger wrote: Necessity (so they say) is the Mother of Invention. Drew Lentz wrote: Since today is wireless geek humor day, I submit to you the following photograph taken this weekend: The preferred product of all-weather enclosures on the US/Mexico border in South Texas! Igloo Coolers! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Bullet
I've got my hands on a couple of em. What kind of results are you all wanting to know? So far so good from what I hear from one of the techs in the field: 40 MHz channel @ ~4 miles with a NanoStation 5 as the AP in downtown area - LOS. On Nov 8, 2008, at 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: And their distributors are? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Bullet Nope they have not shipped the first batch out yet expected to ship next week to their distributors. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Brian Rohrbacher Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Sent: Nov 8, 2008 07:47 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Bullet I didn't know they had shipped any RickG wrote: Anyone using the Ubiquity Bullet? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti
I am more excited about the Bullet. I think that is an extremely disruptive device and would love to see how this begins to change up the game. As a CPE, I see great things for this .. how long before the WiMax Bullet is available from UBNT? -d Chuck McCown wrote: We have tried the full sized nanostations. They have an external SMA connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain. I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option. They do what they say they will do. But just like all 802.11x products, you have to know how to apply them. They will never be a replacement for Canopy but they have their place. - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti They are out to win the market, they really understand how to sling gear to wisps =)I hope very much that they have the supply issue fixed, and anyone who has stock can email me anytime ;-) Anyone have betas and put them to real world tests? On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not meaning to sound like an ad here... Has anyone else come out with so many products so fast as Ubiquiti? I just got an email from them announcing 4 new product lines with radios without antennas at $39 and cheaper NanoStations at $49. Post reviews if anyone gets any of these. I wonder if they've solved their supply line issues... -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti
I saw Wu running around with something like this at WiMax World .. might wanna ask him ;-) -drew Chuck McCown wrote: I hear rumors of a stinger like antenna being developed for the NS2... - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti I am having great luck with the Nanostation5 radios. The NS2 radios have a terrible antenna, so I'm sticking to Tranzeos for 2.4ghz use. I'd love to see an NS9 at some point. The new products look interesting, but if they are like other Ubiquity new product releases - they are vaporware for a while. No one has any stock of them and my guess is that the first round that makes it to the states is going to be beta. Just like any 802.11a product, the NS5s will run circles around Canopy if properly deployed. So yeah, you can consider them as a Canopy replacement. :^) Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Chuck McCown wrote: We have tried the full sized nanostations. They have an external SMA connector so you can put an antenna on them with some decent gain. I would pay the extra for the full sized unit just to have that option. They do what they say they will do. But just like all 802.11x products, you have to know how to apply them. They will never be a replacement for Canopy but they have their place. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Antennas
I dont want to sound like a commercial on the list until everything is squared away with our vendor membership but you can contact me off- list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;-) thanks! -drew On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Drew, Who sells/stocks it? I also saw someone was selling what looked like the MTI Dual pol 25dbi for about $200, I think it was wlanparts.com. Thats starting to get affordable. I'm fine with Dual Pol dishes for $225, its a lot of metal. Plus there usually needed for more critical links. Also used more often on tower sites where I get charge per antenna. However, when a standard panel is only $50, it can't be that more expensive to add a couple more elements for the second pol. Clearly a lot of markup fat in the price model. I think there is a huge market for the dual pol Panels at sub $150, but at $250, a WISP really has to think about whether its worth their while, when they can just install two single pol antennas side by side. Expecially if isntalled on customer roofs where there aren;t colo fees. I see no reasons that the smaller gain panels couldn't be made and sold for sub $125. Don't get me wrong, its still good news to learn of new DP panels available as option. Trango also has their external model, but its about $300. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Antennas A product I really like for dual-pole is the Mars WA56-DP25N. It's a pretty inexpensive panel from 4.9 - 5.875 @ 25dBi .. There are 2 versions, 1 is the antenna alone, the other is with an enclosure. Its ~ $260. I know its not $150, but its not too bad! -d On Sep 25, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Mike Brownson wrote: A broadband dual pol dish will work from 5.2 to 5.9Ghz. You'll get the same gain on both polarities. But there's noting I know of less than $150. Usually dual pol dishes are used where you may need a higher quality antenna, so all the manufacturers I know of (RadioWaves, Maxrad, Pac Wireless) for dual pol are the higher grade varieties. Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Blair Davis Sent: Thu 9/25/2008 8:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Antennas All this talk about Dual Pol feedhorns has got me curious I'm looking for a dual pol antenna... What I need is H-Pol on 5.3GHz band with 18db or more of gain and V- Pol on 5.8GHz with 15db or more of gain. A narrow beam width is a plus. A grid or a dish will be fine. I'd like to keep the price down as if it is over $150 or so, it really won't be cost effective. I can mount 2 antennas at this location if I have to. This is for a short link, about 2000ft, but it will be at the end of about 50ft of LMR-400. Thanks for any ideas Blair This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. winmail.dat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Antennas
A product I really like for dual-pole is the Mars WA56-DP25N. It's a pretty inexpensive panel from 4.9 - 5.875 @ 25dBi .. There are 2 versions, 1 is the antenna alone, the other is with an enclosure. Its ~ $260. I know its not $150, but its not too bad! -d On Sep 25, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Mike Brownson wrote: A broadband dual pol dish will work from 5.2 to 5.9Ghz. You'll get the same gain on both polarities. But there's noting I know of less than $150. Usually dual pol dishes are used where you may need a higher quality antenna, so all the manufacturers I know of (RadioWaves, Maxrad, Pac Wireless) for dual pol are the higher grade varieties. Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Blair Davis Sent: Thu 9/25/2008 8:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Antennas All this talk about Dual Pol feedhorns has got me curious I'm looking for a dual pol antenna... What I need is H-Pol on 5.3GHz band with 18db or more of gain and V- Pol on 5.8GHz with 15db or more of gain. A narrow beam width is a plus. A grid or a dish will be fine. I'd like to keep the price down as if it is over $150 or so, it really won't be cost effective. I can mount 2 antennas at this location if I have to. This is for a short link, about 2000ft, but it will be at the end of about 50ft of LMR-400. Thanks for any ideas Blair This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. winmail.dat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz
We operated in 2.5/6 with Navini and saw some great results. I know that it is a different monster than 3.65, but I guess the point that I was trying to make was the overall difference in using a robust product, like what's available in 3.65, vs using off the shelf or even Moto 900. I completely understand the terrain variance in the different parts of the US and as such, the signal prop will vary based on the type of deployment, the area of coverage, etc. However, what I have seen and heard in the 3.65 space excites me because of the characteristics of the equipment, the available power, and the amount of bandwidth available to the end-user. I agree that the jury is still out because of the lack of large-scale deployments, but I really like what I am seeing and hearing so far. While 900 is a killer freq to have in areas like you were speaking of, because of its propagation through high forestation etc, a small micro cell deployment of 3.65 in those same areas can yield higher throughputs and greater availability of low-cost CPE (when they get approved and on the market) to the end-users. I guess I'm just a fan of larger systems :) -d jeffrey thomas wrote: Jack, Drew is an operator who is already deployed with Airspan, I believe. Is this correct Drew? Yes, forested areas always present a challenge, whether its 900, 700, 3.65ghz, 5.8ghz, etc etc. - Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:53:12 -0700, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Drew, Are you drawing your conclusions based on 3.65 deployments in other parts of the world? I ask because it's hard to imagine that there are already enough 3.65 deployments in the U.S. to draw all your conclusions. Also, physics is still physics. Even given advanced antenna systems, nLOS and NLOS performance at 3.65 is still going to be limited by hills and trees. No matter how advanced the APs and antenna systems, I find it very hard to believe that 3.65 is going to approach the performance of 900 MHz inside of (or on the other side of) a forested area. jack Drew Lentz wrote: I completely disagree with you on this topic. 3.65 makes a great play in a rural setting. I have spoken with many different groups who are capitalizing exactly on what benefits this frequency space offers in these environments. The price tags are not as high as you think, and the return on it is far greater than just how quickly your money comes back in. The ability to provide high bandwidth services in a space where you can control the QoS and give your end-users the ability (soon) to choose their own client device, at least to me, makes more sense than using a lightweight product like 900. As fas as battling terrain changes, look again at the nLOS and NLOS characteristics of 3.65 .. not to mention mobility and the self-install CPE. -d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz
I completely disagree with you on this topic. 3.65 makes a great play in a rural setting. I have spoken with many different groups who are capitalizing exactly on what benefits this frequency space offers in these environments. The price tags are not as high as you think, and the return on it is far greater than just how quickly your money comes back in. The ability to provide high bandwidth services in a space where you can control the QoS and give your end-users the ability (soon) to choose their own client device, at least to me, makes more sense than using a lightweight product like 900. As fas as battling terrain changes, look again at the nLOS and NLOS characteristics of 3.65 .. not to mention mobility and the self-install CPE. -d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Chrysler to make wifi hotspot cars
It's not just Verizon though. AutoNet has agreements in place with both Verizon and Sprint. Now with the Verizon acquisition of Alltel and the announcement of EV-DO availability on their network, it makes it even stronger. Furthernore, while this is primarily EV-DO for broadband, there is still support for their 1xRTT service, which has a larger national footprint than the EV-DO area. At $29 a month though, it seems like a fancy accessory vs. something that everyone would subscribe to. The price point is a little high, especially when you factor in how more Americans are spending LESS time in their vehicles than ever.. -drew On Jun 27, 2008, at 8:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I can drive to downtown Chicago in under an hour on a good day and Verizon EVDO isn't available here... -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Chrysler to make wifi hotspot cars On Jun 26, 2008, at 8:27 AM, Drew Lentz wrote: #3. With linking the cars directly to the cellular telephone links, what effect WILL this have on WISPs? What happens when Verizon rolls- out the in your car and in your home package that rolls the EV-DO card into your monthly bill and you now don't have a need for a pipe at your home? A few answers. 1) Not everyone will move to Verizon (no iPhone ;) ), and EV-DO isn't everywhere. Many of us support rural areas where Verizon still doesn't exist (although with this Alltel acquisition pending, they'll be closer). 2) Many of our subscribers like to keep the money local (I hear that a lot). That's one reason they're our customers in the first place, and a good reason for them to stay if we provide service superior to that of the cell companies. 3) Gas costs too much for people to keep the car running to keep the hotspot up. :) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Chrysler to make wifi hotspot cars
My questions... #1. Noise floor anyone? 20 cars at an intersection all blaring 2.4 @ 20dBm or so? Metro Wi-Fi, ouch... #2. Why cut off the guy in front of you when you can disable his cars main computer with a handy gumstick type pc designed specifically to break into a cars networks? :) #3. With linking the cars directly to the cellular telephone links, what effect WILL this have on WISPs? What happens when Verizon rolls- out the in your car and in your home package that rolls the EV-DO card into your monthly bill and you now don't have a need for a pipe at your home? On Jun 26, 2008, at 4:51 AM, Rogelio wrote: In your opinion, does this solution leave room for WISPs to sell these customers services? http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D91H88101.htm *** People who buy Chrysler LLC vehicles next year will have the option of turning their cars and trucks into wireless Internet hotspots. The company plans to announce Thursday that the feature will be available as part of its uconnect system that will debut in most 2009 Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep models. The wireless Internet will come as a dealer-installed option and will work over cellular telephone links. It will come with a monthly fee which has not yet been determined, spokesman Todd Goyer said. Goyer said people will be able to use laptop computers in their cars and trucks just as if they were in an office or home. To access the Internet, vehicles will need to have uconnect hardware, which Chrysler will unveil to compete with Ford's Sync and other in-car electronic systems. The uconnect system will link cellular telephones and personal music players to the car's onboard electronics, with the ability to control an Apple iPod with radio and steering wheel controls. The system also has navigation and real-time traffic features, controlled by voice recognition or a touch screen. It also includes the company's in-car 30-gigabyte hard drive, with options for three-channel satellite television service and satellite radio. Goyer said the wireless system will work while vehicles are moving so they can be used by passengers. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Chrysler to make wifi hotspot cars
More info from today's press release: Mopar(R) Launches Industry-First -- uconnect web(TM) Brings Wireless Internet Connectivity to Chrysler, Jeep(R) and Dodge Consumers - uconnect web(TM), Chrysler LLC's in-vehicle wireless Internet connectivity system, transforms a Chrysler, Jeep(R) or Dodge vehicle into a mobile WiFi hot spot, - Secure and reliable high-speed Internet connectivity enhances the customer experience by By Mopar(R) AUBURN HILLS, MICH., JUNE 26 --Mopar(R) announced today that it will launch uconnect web(TM), Chrysler LLC's in-vehicle wireless Internet connectivity for Chrysler, Jeep(R) and Dodge consumers in the U.S. uconnect web, powered by Autonet Mobile, delivers continuous Internet connectivity to all vehicle passengers for entertainment and real-time information access on the go. uconnect web will be available in August as a dealer-installed Mopar Accessory. Mopar is Chrysler LLC's original equipment parts manufacturer and distributor. The industry-first technology provides high-speed data transfer, combining WiFi and 3G connectivity. uconnect web transforms the vehicle into a mobile hot spot, delivering unlimited, reliable and uninterrupted Internet connectivity for all passengers in and around the vehicle. The hot spot connection radius is approximately 100 feet -- making it convenient to access the Internet at a soccer field or family picnic. Wherever cellular service is available, uconnect web enables all vehicle passengers to simultaneously connect with WiFi-enabled devices like a laptop, iPhone, Sony Playstation (PSP), PDA and more to: -- access the Internet for e-mail, chat and IM -- view streaming movies or television shows -- download music and download/upload images -- play online games Mopar's uconnect web brings a new level of convenience and technology to our Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge vehicles, said Rob Richard, Director - Mopar Part Sales and Service Marketing, Chrysler LLC. With uconnect web, all passengers in or near the vehicle are continuously connected to the Internet. They can make dinner reservations, check directions or weather, make online purchases, surf Facebook, MySpace, Disney or Webkinz, watch the latest YouTube videos, upload photos to a Flickr account -- all at the same time. uconnect web goes beyond today's DVD and GPS solutions, letting passengers extend their Internet lifestyle to the car, said Sterling Pratz, CEO of San Francisco-based Autonet Mobile. The Internet is the future of in-car entertainment. We're delighted to be working with Chrysler LLC to deliver the first WiFi Internet access that lets families, business and leisure travelers stay connected. The U.S. Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) for the router module is $449. Dealer installation is estimated at approximately $35-50. Autonet Mobile offers wireless Internet account service at $29 a month, available in 12-, 24- and 36-month service plans. There is a one-time $35 service activation fee. Customer support assistance for hardware and service is available. Run over integrated 3G and 2.5G (EVDO, 1xRTT) cellular data networks, the router module with antenna hard-mounts in any vehicle. High-speed Internet access ranges from 400-800 Kbps/sec., with upload speeds averaging 400 Kbps/sec. The WiFi connection is secured with WEP encryption, MAC address restriction or WAN port restriction. Compatible with all operating systems supporting WiFi including Windows, Mac, Linux and Solaris, no special software is required. About Autonet Mobile Autonet Mobile is the first wireless Internet service provider for vehicles. Founded by a corporate executive and former race car driver and a leading network architect and designer, the company is dedicated to enhancing the in-car experience, by bringing the power of the Internet to the 200+ million cars on the road in the U.S. Autonet Mobile currently provides Avis Rent a Car with the Avis Connect service and is used by Storm Chasers, NASCAR and others. For more information about Autonet Mobile visit www.autonetmobile.com. 70 Years of Mopar When Chrysler bought Dodge in 1928, the need for a dedicated parts manufacturer, supplier and distribution system to support the growing enterprise led to the formation of the Chrysler Motor Parts Corporation (CMPC) in 1929. Originally used in the 1920s, Mopar (a simple contraction of the words MOtor and PARts) was trademarked for a line of antifreeze products in 1937. It was also widely used as a moniker for the CMPC. The Mopar brand made its mark in the 1960s -- the muscle car era. The Chrysler Corporation built race-ready Dodge and Plymouth package cars equipped with special high-performance parts. Mopar carried a line of Special Parts for super stock drag racers and developed its racing parts division called Mopar Performance Parts to enhance speed and handling
Re: [WISPA] Real good actual photo of a 4th order diversity cell
Please send! That would be great :) Thanks Patrick! Hope all is well! -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hutton...
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Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100
Canopy 400. -d Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: Is that canopy or alvarion results? - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] *21 Mbps @ ~1.25 Miles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100
*21 Mbps @ ~1.25 Miles -d Gino Villarini wrote: Too bad ... Might want to check out the new Canopy 400 PTMP with 21 Mbps OFDM Radios Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gustavo Santos Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 6:10 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Problems with Alvarion BreezeAccess VL and Breeznet B100 Hi, someone here have some idea how to solve the problems i~m getting with the Alvarion VL gear? I bought some AU and SU 5.4ghz and a B100 5.8ghz 100mbits) ffor a ~5 miles link, for start replacing my motorola canopy network ( we now need more troughtput and pps ). I first deployed the AU with a 120º Sector and a 4 Su 6mbit version, the Su ara really easy to align but i got latency and upload traffic problems, i can get a steady 5mbits downstream but about no upstream traffic.i already tried change the modulation lavels, atpc, tx power, all freqs , lower the channel bandwidth. available but no go. Today i deployed the B100 and i´m having the same issues as the VL gear. but worse, only a spiky 3 ~4mbits downstream traffic and about 2mbits upstream for a radio capable of almost 70mbits, whats is a shame. We are in a very crowded area, but the motorola canopy works perfectly in that area, but we got troughput issues with canopy. anyone here had problems like that with the Alvarion gear in a crownded 5ghz area? in the same area we could manage to work a Airlive Wla5000 (802.11a radio) from ovislink to work better then the Alvarion. Thanks in advice. Gustavo Santos WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FYI - New how-to-get-a-3650-license whitepaper available -- link
Great work Patrick! When I stopped by the FCC booth at CTIA to ask about 3650 licensing, I was met with blank stares. I asked if they had any plans on distributing information about it and I swear some of the guys had no idea it was even available. -d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] comparison of mesh products
I've worked with most of em. Hit me off list if you want a general comparison :) -d Rogelio wrote: I am researching mesh vendors, particularly the best ones in public safety environments (Strix, Firetide, Tropos, BelAir, etc) Does anyone here have any experience in this department? Ideally, I might find some sort of product matrix of all of the various products. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations
They will support AP, Client, Client bridge. -drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will they do access point mode? Can they be flashed to other brands of software like the Powerstations? On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:44:54 -0600, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no manual that I know of yet as it is all pretty straight forward. If one comes out, I will make sure I pass it on :) -drew Mike Hammett wrote: It'd be nice to have a manual for one of them. I asked UBNT, but haven't received one yet. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations Ping me off list and I will see if I can take care of you all. Thanks, -drew Smith, Rick wrote: Where'd you get em ? No one can find any stock anywhere, and I'd like to buy 2 of em ASAP. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew Lentz Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations There was a really cool product release a couple of days ago regarding a new product by Ubiquiti called the NanoStation. I just received my first 2 and am going to run them through the ringer. I will have them (and the PowerStations) in our booth @ IWCE if any of you all want to swing by and check them out next week in Vegas. Hit me off list and I will give you the details. The skinny is that they are very inexpensive (MSRP $79) well built CPE units. They have a 2 GHz version and a 5 GHz version. http://ubnt.com/products/ns2.php http://ubnt.com/products/ns5.php -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations
Sorry to double post. Yes they work in AP mode and the polarity can be chosen, h, v, or auto. Auto wouldn't make much sense on the AP side, but for clients it's killer. The config I am wanting to play with is a dual-pol config (6xHoriz, 6xVert) plus 2 (external omni's). I realize the RF nightmare that it would create, but if there is a way to do it, it would be (in a Jeff Spicoli voice) awesome. -d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the Nanostations work as APs? I'm very interested in also finding out whether polarity can be set as an AP. If they can be I think this is the solution I've been looking for to change out my old tower equipment (esp. at that price! $1000 to run a 2.4/5.8 tower). Also, does anyone have a manual or any more info about this AirOS? On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 02:00:45 -0600, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ping me off list and I will see if I can take care of you all. Thanks, -drew Smith, Rick wrote: Where'd you get em ? No one can find any stock anywhere, and I'd like to buy 2 of em ASAP. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew Lentz Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations There was a really cool product release a couple of days ago regarding a new product by Ubiquiti called the NanoStation. I just received my first 2 and am going to run them through the ringer. I will have them (and the PowerStations) in our booth @ IWCE if any of you all want to swing by and check them out next week in Vegas. Hit me off list and I will give you the details. The skinny is that they are very inexpensive (MSRP $79) well built CPE units. They have a 2 GHz version and a 5 GHz version. http://ubnt.com/products/ns2.php http://ubnt.com/products/ns5.php -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations
There is no manual that I know of yet as it is all pretty straight forward. If one comes out, I will make sure I pass it on :) -drew Mike Hammett wrote: It'd be nice to have a manual for one of them. I asked UBNT, but haven't received one yet. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 2:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations Ping me off list and I will see if I can take care of you all. Thanks, -drew Smith, Rick wrote: Where'd you get em ? No one can find any stock anywhere, and I'd like to buy 2 of em ASAP. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew Lentz Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations There was a really cool product release a couple of days ago regarding a new product by Ubiquiti called the NanoStation. I just received my first 2 and am going to run them through the ringer. I will have them (and the PowerStations) in our booth @ IWCE if any of you all want to swing by and check them out next week in Vegas. Hit me off list and I will give you the details. The skinny is that they are very inexpensive (MSRP $79) well built CPE units. They have a 2 GHz version and a 5 GHz version. http://ubnt.com/products/ns2.php http://ubnt.com/products/ns5.php -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations
There was a really cool product release a couple of days ago regarding a new product by Ubiquiti called the NanoStation. I just received my first 2 and am going to run them through the ringer. I will have them (and the PowerStations) in our booth @ IWCE if any of you all want to swing by and check them out next week in Vegas. Hit me off list and I will give you the details. The skinny is that they are very inexpensive (MSRP $79) well built CPE units. They have a 2 GHz version and a 5 GHz version. http://ubnt.com/products/ns2.php http://ubnt.com/products/ns5.php -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations
I don't know for sure, but I will find out. -drew Randy Cosby wrote: Any idea if the 5ghz version will be FCC approved for 5.4? Randy Drew Lentz wrote: There was a really cool product release a couple of days ago regarding a new product by Ubiquiti called the NanoStation. I just received my first 2 and am going to run them through the ringer. I will have them (and the PowerStations) in our booth @ IWCE if any of you all want to swing by and check them out next week in Vegas. Hit me off list and I will give you the details. The skinny is that they are very inexpensive (MSRP $79) well built CPE units. They have a 2 GHz version and a 5 GHz version. http://ubnt.com/products/ns2.php http://ubnt.com/products/ns5.php -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations
Ping me off list and I will see if I can take care of you all. Thanks, -drew Smith, Rick wrote: Where'd you get em ? No one can find any stock anywhere, and I'd like to buy 2 of em ASAP. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew Lentz Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti NanoStations There was a really cool product release a couple of days ago regarding a new product by Ubiquiti called the NanoStation. I just received my first 2 and am going to run them through the ringer. I will have them (and the PowerStations) in our booth @ IWCE if any of you all want to swing by and check them out next week in Vegas. Hit me off list and I will give you the details. The skinny is that they are very inexpensive (MSRP $79) well built CPE units. They have a 2 GHz version and a 5 GHz version. http://ubnt.com/products/ns2.php http://ubnt.com/products/ns5.php -drew WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
I deployed VL @ 5.8 across about a 6,000 sq. mi. coverage area in Southern Texas. Roughly 21 basestations of it .. on the us / mexico border. It is a VERY noisy environment and this stuff worked magnificently. On the 3mb SUs we were seeing close to 3mb, on the 54mb SUs we were seeing up to 20mb. Absolutely great gear. We also had 5.2 and some 4.9 deployments that were very successful. The 4.9 gear performed perfectly as anticipated. I am no longer with that company, but they are still running strong with their ALV deployment. -drew Smith, Rick wrote: I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment. I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc. If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and forth. I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the backbone / heavy customer equipment. Got some other wonders... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Skypilot
Before jumping into the mesh space, I would look at all the technology that is out there, from 1st generation up to the current 4/5 generation. There's a ton of great equipment out there. Strix, Arrowspan, Go Networks, etc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't heard much about Skypilot out there on WISPA. I'm considering an equipment upgrade soon, and I did get ONE real world WISP last year who was using it with very good success who loves it. The idea of adding bandwidth with another gateway, etc. But how much bandwidth in a given area can that system really work with before interference becomes an issue - or can each new gateway actually use a different frequency? Also in terms of VOIP - if I use IAX2 / Asterisk to run VOIP, how much capacity can I expect per gateway, simultaneously. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH
We were using it to connect entire RV sites together with multiple VoIP users on it at once. With its over the air packet prioritization, we noticed a definite increase in call quality as well as call volume (number of calls, not how loud they are;)) -d [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you doing any significant VOIP on it (like 10+ VOIP calls on a single client unit, like T1 replacement)? On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:07:11 -0600, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I deployed VL @ 5.8 across about a 6,000 sq. mi. coverage area in Southern Texas. Roughly 21 basestations of it .. on the us / mexico border. It is a VERY noisy environment and this stuff worked magnificently. On the 3mb SUs we were seeing close to 3mb, on the 54mb SUs we were seeing up to 20mb. Absolutely great gear. We also had 5.2 and some 4.9 deployments that were very successful. The 4.9 gear performed perfectly as anticipated. I am no longer with that company, but they are still running strong with their ALV deployment. -drew Smith, Rick wrote: I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL equipment. I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc. If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and forth. I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to be all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the backbone / heavy customer equipment. Got some other wonders... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Skypilot
SkyPilot does in fact do a great job at antenna switching ... and yes their radios can support up to 44db EIRP, but you are still dealing with a 30mw client most of the time. As far as supporting voice / qos though, it is still all Wifi. BeAir, from what I understand, now offers a SLA guarnatee (http://www.belairnetworks.com/about_belair/press_releases_view.cfm?p_id=120) on their gear, which should give you some peace of mind. As far as SkyPilot being the only one who offers those features like redundant backhaul, that's the benefit of mesh, not of the equipment manufacturer. If you are looking for a ton of coverage with less equipment, take a look at what Go Networks and Vivato have done with their beamforming technologies. Better spectral efficeincy to the client using the wifi standard is a great thing when it works. I have seen the Go gear work, and will be testing some Vivato later on this month! :) -drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have several reasons that I liked Skypilot in particular. For one thing, the sectorized omni approach meant I could use 1 unit to cover 360 degrees. Secondly, the smart antenna approach giving it 44db EIRP on the AP side. Third, the automatic redundancy, and fourth, the fact that 1 piece of equipment on the tower replaces: redundant backhauls, ethernet switches, lots of sector panels, etc. It can be installed by 1 climber in probably less than 30 minutes. Nothing else I've found has close to these features. BelAir mentions it can be used for cellular backhaul - is it really capable of what it claims to be able to do? Is there a non-mesh endpoint unit that can be used, or am I forced to use a Belair unit on clients that want voice T1s? I just can't see Wi-Fi being able to handle 10 or 20 simultaneous calls - and the backhaul radios aren't unlicensed Wimax - just 802.11a. So maybe I need to go to Alvarion VL - but I wonder if they live up to their VOIP call claims on their tech sheets - Canopy Advantage couldn't in my testing, at 2.5 miles with 1 CPE on it it fell on its face... On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:08:59 -0600, Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before jumping into the mesh space, I would look at all the technology that is out there, from 1st generation up to the current 4/5 generation. There's a ton of great equipment out there. Strix, Arrowspan, Go Networks, etc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't heard much about Skypilot out there on WISPA. I'm considering an equipment upgrade soon, and I did get ONE real world WISP last year who was using it with very good success who loves it. The idea of adding bandwidth with another gateway, etc. But how much bandwidth in a given area can that system really work with before interference becomes an issue - or can each new gateway actually use a different frequency? Also in terms of VOIP - if I use IAX2 / Asterisk to run VOIP, how much capacity can I expect per gateway, simultaneously. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Cisco Buys Navini for US$330m
*Cisco Announces Definitive Agreement to Acquire Navini Networks* Extends the Cisco IP Next Generation Network Vision to Deliver Wireless Broadband Services and Increase Internet Access in Emerging Markets October 23, 2007: 08:00 AM EST Cisco® (NASDAQ: CSCO) today announced a definitive agreement to purchase Richardson, TX-based Navini Networks, Inc. a leader in the Mobile WiMAX 802.16e-2005 broadband wireless industry. Navini is a pioneer in the integration of Smart Beamforming technologies with Multi-Input Multi-Output (MIMO) antennas, a combination that improves the performance and range for WiMAX services and lowers the overall deployment and operational costs for service providers. Navini's WiMAX products will extend Cisco's market-leading WiFi and WiFi-Mesh portfolios, allowing Cisco to uniquely address the rapidly growing markets for broadband wireless services. The acquisition of Navini will help extend and enhance Cisco's IP Next Generation Network (IP NGN) vision to enable service providers to deliver any service to any device over any network -- a vision that Cisco calls the Connected Life. The addition of broadband wireless products based upon WiMAX will complement existing Cisco products and solutions to enable service providers to deliver premium end-to-end Connected Experiences and hasten their transition to becoming Experience Providers. Cisco also expects that its broadband wireless solution portfolio, that now includes WiMAX products, will play a key role in Cisco's Country Transformation and Digital Inclusion initiatives to drive broadband penetration to consumers and business in emerging countries. Emerging country service providers are in expansion mode, building out broadband wireless networks and are concerned about deployment costs and the availability of skilled resources, said Brett Galloway, vice president and general manager of the Wireless Networking Business Unit, Cisco. Around the world broadband wireless networks based upon WiMAX have the potential to add millions of new Internet users who cannot be reached economically using copper or fiber infrastructures. Additionally, WiMAX networks will help drive the transition to open IP-based broadband wireless architectures and accelerate the rollout of new applications and services. Cisco selected Navini based on its industry-leading product portfolio, unmatched innovation and its real-world commercial deployments with service provider customers worldwide. Navini offers a leading portfolio of broadband wireless WiMAX solutions with comprehensive offerings including base stations, adaptive antenna arrays, management systems, and subscriber modems, which has been sold to more than 75 customers. Under the terms of the agreement, Cisco will pay approximately $330 million in cash and assumed options. The Navini acquisition is subject to various standard closing conditions and is expected to close in the second quarter of Cisco's 2008 fiscal year. Upon the close of the acquisition, Cisco plans to integrate Navini into its Wireless Networking Business Unit, under the Ethernet and Wireless Technology Group. This will be acquisition No. 124 for Cisco. About Cisco Systems Cisco (NASDAQ: CSCO) is the worldwide leader in networking that transforms how people connect, communicate and collaborate. Information about Cisco can be found at http://www.cisco.com. For ongoing news, please go to http://newsroom.cisco.com. Cisco, Cisco Systems and the Cisco Systems logo are registered trademarks of Cisco Systems, Inc. in the U.S. and certain other countries. All other trademarks mentioned in this document are the property of their respective owners. For direct RSS Feeds of all Cisco news, please visit [EMAIL PROTECTED] at the following link: http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/rss.html Press: John Noh (408) 853-8445 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Industry Analysts: Carter Cromwell (408) 526-6914 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Investor Relations: Matt Tractenberg (408) 525-3170 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wimax World , anyone going?
If anyone wants to come say hi to a lurker, look for me in a light blue Hutton Communications shirt.-drew Original Message Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax World , anyone going? From: "Jason Bunyea" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, September 24, 2007 7:50 am To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll be there... Not sure what day i'm going. On 9/22/07, Gino Villarini gav@aeronetpr.com wrote: Im going to Chicago next week for Wimax World, anyone else going? Gino A. Villarini gav@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Multiradio Mesh Equipment
I've worked with a couple different vendors. What kind of information are you looking for? -drew Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiradio Mesh Equipment Yes please, thanks Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:03 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Multiradio Mesh Equipment I am interested as well. I have contact info on my salesman from Bel Air but we haven't purchased anything yet. I can forward it to you if you would like. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Multiradio Mesh Equipment List, Anyone has experience with multiradio (3-4 radios)mesh units. Bel Air, Mesh Dynamics, Strix? Would like to hear your opinions on them Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1012 - Release Date: 9/16/2007 6:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1012 - Release Date: 9/16/2007 6:32 PM ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Locustworld meshes?
The problem with OLSR, and it is even stated on the Wikipedia page, is that when you push routing tables to every device, it creates a load on the system. If you have a few nodes its not an issue, but when you are pushing routing tables for 250+ nodes, you wanna make sure that the system can handle that type of stress along with all of its other functions. Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Locustworld meshes? Here's a bit of info for you to check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimized_Link_State_Routing_protocol Optimized Link State Routing protocol (OLSR) is a routing protocol that is optimised for mobile ad-hoc networks, sometimes called wireless mesh networks. It is a proactive link-state routing protocol that floods a full topology table to all nodes in the network which then compute optimal forwarding paths locally I think Star has OLSR for their mesh George Rogato wrote: From what I hear on the other forums, OLSR seems to be more stable on a wireless network. Allen Marsalis wrote: Exactly my point George. I don'/t... Allen At 09:16 PM 9/14/2007, George Rogato wrote: Allen Marsalis wrote: I'm just asking why you think you need something else besides BGP or OSPF. OSLR -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] backhaul recommendation
SnapLink / Orthogon / DragonWave / CeragonSnapLink has great throughput @ unlicensed 24GHz. Being in the 24 gig space not only adds a layer of security, but keeps you out of interference.-drew Original Message Subject: [WISPA] backhaul recommendation From: "chris cooper" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, August 01, 2007 4:13 pm To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org I need a couple sets of backhauls for a public safety application. Link distance under 3 miles, clear los. Need @ 20 meg throughput. Security is a high priority and they have to be rock solid. Has to be a stickered system. Any recommendations? Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Thanks Everyone - OT
Patrick, What were your sales like in the US? Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Thanks Everyone - OT Just a note of appreciation to all our customers for enabling us to report an excellent Q2 quarterly report today, which beat the street estimates. Highlights include: - Record revenues of $57.5 million, up 31% from Q2 2006; - Record BreezeMAX(TM) revenues of $27.9 million; - Gross margin of 51%; - Non-GAAP EPS of $0.03; GAAP EPS of $0.00; - Commercial WiMAX deployments of 170, up from 150 in Q1 - About 40 802.16e mobile WiMAX trials (about 2x claimed by any competitor) - Major new ecosystem partners such as Bridgewater and Arraycom (for beamforming) - Positive operating cash flow of $2.6 million, growing cash to about $122M - Revising Y over Y growth to 25-30% http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070801/20070731006573.html?.v=1 And more central to the WISP front, one of the other up surprises is that our non-WiMAX business continued to grow, thanks mostly in part to our North American BreezeACCESS VL and BreezeNET B100 customers. I want WISPs to know that even with the heavy investments on the WiMAX side, we continue to invest in our UL solutions and we consider our work on the unlicensed front as a major part of our business. In the near term this means you already place orders for 5.4 GHz BreezeACCESS VL, as well as 5.3 GHz and of course 5.8 GHz. We hope to bring you other bands for unlicensed in the not-to-distant future as well. Thanks again to all, Regards, Patrick Alvarion This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
Just to throw another log on, here's the CTIA's approach: WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--CTIA-The Wireless AssociationR President and CEO Steve Largent issued the following statement today in response to a letter from Google to the Federal Communications Commission asking for special conditions in the upcoming 700 MHz spectrum auction, and pledging to bid at least $4.6 billion for that spectrum if Google's conditions are met: The veil has been lifted. Google's letter to the FCC this morning highlights the Internet giant's scheme to have the 700 MHz auction rigged with special conditions in its favor. If Google is willing to commit almost $5 billion dollars for spectrum that it wants encumbered with various requirements, then let it win that spectrum in a competitive auction and choose that business model. Google and its allies, with their collective market capitalization approaching half a trillion dollars, don't need a government handout at taxpayers' expense. The competitive wireless industry welcomes all new entrants, but no company should be able to buy a custom-fit government regulation that suits their particular business plan. Consumers should decide if they're right, not the federal government. CTIA is the international association for the wireless telecommunications industry, representing carriers, manufacturers and wireless Internet providers. Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion Rumors of Embarq pulling fiber in NW NJ. I'm trying to figure this one out, since it's home for me :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion Smith, Rick wrote: I can tell you for a fact that Embarq and Verizon have 700 Mhz and FTTP on their radar BIG time. It's that whole battle vs. war thing... They're willing to get their heads handed to them 9 times because that 10th is their nuke... OK I've gotta throw away this devil's advocate hat... EMBARQ? Hesse said that he was betting on the DSL game. Where does Embarq do FTTx? VZ and ATT are spending the money for FTTx - but not in rural America. (Maybe that's where 700 comes in, but I think the 700 is going to be used for muni wi-fi and to enhance their cellular data services). - Peter Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Broadband Baloney? An FCC Commissioner's take on Broadband..
In an article entitled Broadband Baloney in the Wall Street Journal today, Robert McDowell, a Commissioner on the FCC stated: Criticisms of our definition of broadband being too lax are already irrelevant as over 50 million subscribers are in the 1.5 to 3.0 megabits-per-second fast lane. That my friends, is EXACTLY what the problem is: 1.5 to 3mb FAST LANE Who are they trying to kid? Then he goes on to say: Today, video applications are tugging hard on America's broadband infrastructure. YouTube alone uses as much bandwidth today as the entire Internet did in 2000. Not surprisingly, our broadband adoption rate continues to increase concurrently with the proliferation of this latest killer app. He talks about how much of a push video is, even citing that it eats up a large amount of bandwidth, but is insistent on 1.5 to 3 Mb being fast? I don't get it. The article sums up why he thinks that all this talk about us lagging behind in the broadband proliferation table is Broadband Baloney.. boo I say. The fact that the WSJ would print this is baloney. Article is here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118524094434875755.html?mod=googlenews_wsj Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 956.878.0123 Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
That is wonderful news if you ask me! Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 12:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion http://64.233.179.110/blog_resources/Google_Ex_Parte_Letter_Signed.pdf Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think we are going to see an increase in the deployment of femtocells like T-Mobiles ... not just cell carriers (ATT to follow T-Mobile? http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=129159print=true) but by people trying to push content into living rooms: Today's Femtocell Headline: Google invests $25 mil in Femto Cell company http://investing.reuters.co.uk/news/articleinvesting.aspx?type=breakingFunds NewsstoryID=2007-07-20T164556Z_01_N20392788_RTRIDST_0_GOOGLE-UBIQUISYS.XML The idea is to plug Ubiquisys' so-called femtocell devices into a consumer's existing broadband Internet access equipment to create a short-range wireless link between the customer's mobile phone and the Internet to improve signal strength. The Ubiquisys devices will work with phones based on the latest generation of GSM, the most commonly used wireless technology standard, which is widespread in Europe and other parts of the world and used by two U.S. wireless providers. Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Felix A. Lopez Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 7:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nice write up John. I have Sprint network with Samsung phone unfortunately locked in for 2 years. However, the T-Mobile offering looks appealing. So you had session persistance? Nice. Can you re-clarify that you did not have to re-authenticate at all? For example let's say you walk out of Starbucks. Doese the cell phone seamlessly switch to the TMobile carrier network? Thanks. F. --- John Valenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T-Mobile launched their [EMAIL PROTECTED] service at the end of June. I picked up one of these cell phones a few weeks ago. The deal is for an extra $10/month, you get unlimited calls in the US if they are made over wifi. The wifi connection generally works with any open AP, or if you know the security key you can enter that. It also automatically connects to T-Mobile Hotspots, such as might be found at Starbucks. Once you start a call on wifi, you can move out of wifi range into tower range it seamlessly switches over. The call is billed according to where it starts. I had actually sampled a T-Mobile phone, then returned it the day this [EMAIL PROTECTED] service launched. Most of the places I hoped to use it, I had no signal. But I like this new combo phone quite a bit. For example: my WISP office is in my basement. I've used Verizon cell phones for years, based on having them work almost everywhere I go. But no service in my basement. The T-Mobile phone happily uses my net connection and sounds better than any cell phone I have used. Ditto for a few locations at work, such as a server room. No cell service, but wifi is fine. One thing I don't like is that the phone doesn't include a web browser. If you are at a location that requires agreeing to TOS before using the wifi, you can't do that just using the phone. I've used some other VOIP systems before (Packet 8, Skype, almost went with SunRocket - that was close) but haven't really liked them. -- An idea for WISPA leadership: think about brokering a deal with T- Mobile to expand their hotspots to members POPs. They only have about 7500 hotspots in the US. For example, there are none in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, and the only one in the north half of the Lower Peninsula is Traverse City. Some technical details: The T-Mobile phone uses technology called UMA to encapsulate GSM over IP. The packets are UDP encapsulated IpSec. The call I monitored averaged 60 packets/sec. All traffic was to/from one IP address using port 4500. Bandwidth used was 9516 bytes/second average. Most packets were 158 bytes (the longest seen), a few were 142, and occasionally 60 bytes. -John Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidsc s=bz Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free
RE: [WISPA] FCC Auction Should Allow for Open Wireless Network, Say Lawmakers
Hi there! New to the list but wanted to jump in with comments: This was, IMO, a great hearing. I watched about the first 2 hours of it and was delighted by the responses of the witnesses. Hearing the chair of the committee refer to the ATT iPhone contract as being a Hotel California service where you can signup, but never leave with your iPhone made me chuckle. But it was Jason Devitt that drove it home for me, paraphrasing from his prepared testimony, Open Access is an unfamiliar term for a very familiar idea. The private companies who build and maintain our highways don't get to dictate what kind of car I drive. I don't have to ask Wal-Mart for permission to open a retail store next door to one of theirs. ConEd and PGE can't limit my choice of vacuum cleaner, and I don't have to ask Verizon for permission to launch a web site. However, I have to ask Verizon Wireless for permission to sell a phone that runs on their network or an application that runs on their phones. If you are interested in watching an archived version or reading more of the witness testimony, it's online @ http://energycommerce.house.gov/cmte_mtgs/110-ti-hrg.071107.ConsumerProtecti on.shtml Have a great day, and I look forward to contributing to this list :) -drew Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Hughes Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 7:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FCC Auction Should Allow for Open Wireless Network,Say Lawmakers FCC Auction Should Allow for Open Wireless Network, Say Lawmakers By Kim Hart Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, July 12, 2007; D08 Key lawmakers on Capitol Hill yesterday supported the idea that regulators should give consumers greater control over how they use their cellphones. Several members of a House subcommittee voiced agreement with a proposal that would require a portion of valuable airwaves about to be auctioned off by the Federal Communications Commission to be used for an open network that would connect to any mobile device or service. Such a rule would benefit technology companies such as Google, Intel, Yahoo and Skype, who want more ways to reach their customers without going through carriers. The plan could hurt wireless carriers, who say unfettered access to their networks would undermine billions of dollars of investment for high-speed services. This issue of open access lies at the center of the debate about rules that will govern the spectrum auction, which are expected to be released this month. FCC Chairman Kevin J. Martin has proposed setting aside one-third of the spectrum for an open network that would work with any cellphone. Supporters of Google and its partners say an open network would promote innovation by letting consumers use services on new devices like the iPhone without being limited to a single network. But critics argue that placing such conditions on the bidding process would actually stifle competition and reduce revenues from the auction, which is expected to yield between $15 billion and $20 billion for the U.S. Treasury. Rep. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.), who chairs the subcommittee that handles telecommunications and Internet issues, urged the FCC to seize this opportunity to create an open-access opportunity for wireless service in this auction. He added that wireless carriers are exerting far too much control over the features, functions and applications that wireless gadget makers and content entrepreneurs can offer directly to consumers. Ranking Republican Fred Upton of Michigan countered by saying the wireless market is already vigorously competitive. No matter how you slice it, he said, the proposal smothers investment in a competitive market, and in the end would leave consumers worse off and with fewer choices. The four-hour hearing highlighted the divergent views of policymakers and industry representatives on the consequences of using a slice of the spectrum for an open-access network. Steven E. Zipperstein, general counsel for Verizon Wireless, testified that competition already forces wireless companies to invest in new products and networks, ultimately benefiting consumers. He also said that any open-access requirement would make the spectrum less valuable to companies like Verizon Wireless. But Jason Devitt, who runs a Silicon Valley start-up that sells wireless products and services, disagreed. While the major carriers such as Verizon Wireless and ATamp;T bring new products to market, he said, there are so many other products and services not getting in front of consumers because carriers act as gatekeepers. I'm an entrepreneur, and I'm mad as hell I have to ask for permission to innovate, he said, referring to what he called the wireless companies' death grip on the market. Google, which has been lobbying Congress and the FCC in favor of open networks, has not decided whether it will formally bid on a piece of the spectrum
[WISPA] Proxim Wireless Adds 900 MHz Support to Point-to-Multipoint Product Line
information on these and other factors that could affect our actual results is and will be included in filings made by Terabeam from time to time with the Securities and Exchange Commission and in our other public statements. Contact Information: Bert Williams VP, Marketing and Investor Relations Proxim Wireless +1 408 731-2610 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Proxim Wireless Adds 900 MHz Support toPoint-to-MultipointProduct Line
Haha. Gotta love it. Link to Ubiquiti board used: http://www.ubnt.com/downloads/sr9datasheet.pdf Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Proxim Wireless Adds 900 MHz Support toPoint-to-MultipointProduct Line $1200 for the cpe yikes...what are they smoking? It just the mp.11 board with a ubiquity 900 card.. Take a peak here: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_i d=793933native_or_pdf=pdf Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew Lentz Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 11:19 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Proxim Wireless Adds 900 MHz Support to Point-to-MultipointProduct Line Proxim Wireless Adds 900 MHz Support to Point-to-Multipoint Product Line New Tsunami MP.11 Model 954-R Enables Broadband, Non-Line-of-Sight Links for Municipal and Other Applications July 12, 2007: 09:00 AM EST http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/marketwire/0277031.htm Proxim Wireless Corporation, a leader in core-to-client solutions for broadband municipal wireless networks and wholly owned subsidiary of Terabeam, Inc. (NASDAQ: TRBM), today announced the Tsunami MP.11 Model 954-R, an outdoor point-to-multipoint base station and subscriber unit system that supports high-speed wireless connections in the 900 MHz license-exempt frequency band. Designed for non-line-of-sight applications, the new system enables reliable communications links in environments filled with buildings, dense foliage and other obstructions. With Proxim's new Tsunami MP.11 Model 954-R, we can create reliable, high-speed wireless links in environments where line-of-sight is simply not possible, said Gregg Rowland, Senior Vice President Sales and Marketing at ShotSpotter, Inc. ShotSpotter's wireless Gunshot Location System is a mission critical tool for public safety and the military, so reliable communications to and from our sensors is essential to dispatch or the command and control systems. An addition to Proxim's award-winning Tsunami MP.11 family, the Model 954-R system provides capabilities of WiMAX, including WiMAX QoS, mobile roaming with fast handoff speeds up to 200 km/per hour (120 mph), dynamic data rate selection (DDRS) and advanced security with AES encryption. The system's design enables flexible and easy deployment. Housed in ruggedized enclosures, the base station and subscriber units can be deployed in extreme weather conditions with a variety of external antennas. An antenna alignment tool and secure local and remote management ensure quick installation and maintenance. With the introduction of these products, Proxim Wireless is expanding our point-to-multipoint product line to support an even wider range of applications, said Bert Williams, Vice President of Marketing at Proxim Wireless. Our Tsunami product line with ProximVisionT management now operates in the 900 MHz, 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz license-exempt frequency bands, as well as the 3.5 GHz and 4.9 GHz licensed bands, so that our customers can choose the spectrum that best supports their particular applications and environment. The Tsunami MP.11 954-R base station is available now at a U.S. list price of $2,299; Tsunami MP.11 954-R subscriber units are also available now with U.S. list prices starting at $1,199. About Proxim Wireless Proxim Wireless Corporation is a wholly owned subsidiary of Terabeam, Inc. (NASDAQ: TRBM). Proxim Wireless is a global pioneer in developing and supplying scalable broadband wireless networking systems for service providers, municipalities, governments, and enterprises. The company's end-to-end wireless products -- including Wi-FiR mesh, WiMAX, MeshMAXT, WLAN, and wireless backhaul -- are available through an extensive global channel network, backed by world-class support. Proxim is a Principal Member of the WiMAX Forum and is ISO-9001 certified. Information about Proxim and its products and support can be found at http://www.proxim.com. About ShotSpotter, Inc. (www.shotspotter.com) ShotSpotter, Inc., the leading developer of gunshot location systems and technology, is based in Mountain View, CA. ShotSpotter's flagship product, which detects gunfire across large urban areas using a small number of inexpensive and easy-to-deploy sensors, currently protects the citizens of cities nationwide, from Los Angeles, CA to Washington, DC. Its products assisted the FBI and the Franklin County Sheriff's Office in identifying and capturing the Columbus, Ohio highway sniper suspect. With technology covered by numerous patents, the company also offers products to the law enforcement, homeland security and military markets. ShotSpotter technology
