Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA
Chase Phillips wrote: I know we don't do QOS right now but we might soon. If that prioritization (based on packet TOS) makes sense for a lot of our customers, we might implement that feature sooner. Speaking of quality, Chase, what is your groups real world performance expectations noise, self interference, and speeds? -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA
Replies below: Chase Phillips wrote: Hi Marlon, On 4/19/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the list! Thanks for joining us. Happy to be here! I remember when John told me about starting WISPA years ago. Before that, I remember all of us at MVN toasting his first wireless link out of the back of his Jeep Cherokee using, what was it John, Broadcom gear? I'm proud to see how far the community has come. Actually it was Breezecom gear. We had a AP-10D and a SA-10D if I remember the part numbers right. When I made my first wireless connection it was truly a day I remembered well. I wish I had marked it on a calendar. We had a bottle of Champaign drinking it on the side of the road a block up from the office. It was quite a day. I am glad you remembered that one Chase. Good memories! :-) Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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They distributed Ruckus and Peplink. Never heard about Meraki being used. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA Ralph, As quoted from the link below; Google distributed the devices to businesses and apartment complexes in Mountain View that were having trouble connecting to the city's free wireless system. http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/26/technology/pluggedin_lashinsky_google.fortun e/index.htm Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: Dawn- Google already has a Tropos network they built in Mt View. I have seen and used it. Why would they want to do something with Meraki? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA Marlon, Google invested in Meraki because they want to use these units to build out a mesh network in Mt.View. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA
Ralph, As quoted from the link below; Google distributed the devices to businesses and apartment complexes in Mountain View that were having trouble connecting to the city's free wireless system. http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/26/technology/pluggedin_lashinsky_google.fortune/index.htm Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: Dawn- Google already has a Tropos network they built in Mt View. I have seen and used it. Why would they want to do something with Meraki? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA Marlon, Google invested in Meraki because they want to use these units to build out a mesh network in Mt.View. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Hi George, On 4/19/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of quality, Chase, what is your groups real world performance expectations noise, self interference, and speeds? What most people are interested in when asking that question of our gear is what our performance is through our mesh. For 2-3 hop links, we usually see real world throughput around 2-5 mbps to the gateway connection. To reduce self-interference, we've increased our beacon interval from 100 ms to 500 ms. We've found this assists performance in dense deployments. In case you're interested, Bruce Hubbert, a wireless enthusiast (and one of our SF volunteers) has eye-candy of AirMagnet running near his Meraki nodes: http://www.hubbert.org/2007/04/meraki-airmagnet-stats.html Regards, Chase -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Chase, Yesterday, we set up a mini in a restaurant for a open access hotspot. Worked excellent, except, We can't ping through to OUR gateway , and we cant ssh using putty, into our system. Why are we being blocked? How can we get around this network monitoring problem, we use the various hotspots for our connivance too. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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OK, but can we as wisps use the meraki units on our own ? i.e. can we use it to extend mikrotik hotspots out through a mesh of merakii (hah!) or, do we have to pay Meraki to use their hotspot stuff ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Main Street USA nice Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA Yes, the whole point of Meraki is to provide access to regular WiFi clients. They also happen to mesh. On 4/18/07, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have one doubt about Meraki, would it support regular wifi clients connecting to the Meraki APs/Repeaters/Gateways? Or all has to be meraki? -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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We have one installed as a free hotspot for now while we test. As a hotspot it is working great. The issue I have with the units is from what I see they MUST call home to get configuration and will not allow data or clients to pass until it does. Also I believe they are using some sort of tunnel, I can tracert from one to a public site, but if I try to ping one of my AP in my network or SSH into one it fails. I think these would be great if we could install the control software on one of our servers, but I don't want any of my clients internet connections to be controlled by a 3rd party, or not have access because the Meraki site is either not available or running slow as it seemed to be last Friday. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA The Meraki nodes are configured through the central web dashboard. All payments go through Meraki, and they get their cut (I'm not sure what that is). The access controls are just lists of MAC addresses to be allowed or bypass the captive portal. There's no support for RADIUS. You *could* extend a Mikrotik hotspot with Meraki, though. On 4/19/07, Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, but can we as wisps use the meraki units on our own ? i.e. can we use it to extend mikrotik hotspots out through a mesh of merakii (hah!) or, do we have to pay Meraki to use their hotspot stuff ? -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Tim, The Meraki will grab an address from your network and is hard-coded with one on the Meraki mesh. These are actually in 6.../8 DoD space. You should be able to ssh into the units with the address on your network. At least, I was able to. They have an optional Public API. Mine (not doing anything) is at: http://dashboard.meraki.net/api/network/Primaverity. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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It's my understanding that Google is somehow involved with this product. I'm guessing that there is some form of data mining involved with them. Don't know it, but I'd not be at all surprised. And why else would they HAVE to phone home in order to work? Something with them is fishy. Nice units or not, I don't think I'll put them in my network anytime soon. Might use them for a cheap/easy paid hotspot in some parks or something though. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Tim Kerns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA We have one installed as a free hotspot for now while we test. As a hotspot it is working great. The issue I have with the units is from what I see they MUST call home to get configuration and will not allow data or clients to pass until it does. Also I believe they are using some sort of tunnel, I can tracert from one to a public site, but if I try to ping one of my AP in my network or SSH into one it fails. I think these would be great if we could install the control software on one of our servers, but I don't want any of my clients internet connections to be controlled by a 3rd party, or not have access because the Meraki site is either not available or running slow as it seemed to be last Friday. Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA The Meraki nodes are configured through the central web dashboard. All payments go through Meraki, and they get their cut (I'm not sure what that is). The access controls are just lists of MAC addresses to be allowed or bypass the captive portal. There's no support for RADIUS. You *could* extend a Mikrotik hotspot with Meraki, though. On 4/19/07, Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, but can we as wisps use the meraki units on our own ? i.e. can we use it to extend mikrotik hotspots out through a mesh of merakii (hah!) or, do we have to pay Meraki to use their hotspot stuff ? -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Main Street USA
Hi, John asked me to pop in and say hi on behalf of Meraki. He and I go way back. Whatever questions you guys have I'll be happy to answer. A little about me: Been at Meraki since September of last year. Worked at MVN, NCSA, and Mozilla. Volunteered on CUWiN from 2002 to 2006 with Dave, Sascha, Bryan, and others. Been involved in NS4CWN in 2004 and 2006. Rick Smith asks: OK, but can we as wisps use the meraki units on our own ? i.e. can we use it to extend mikrotik hotspots out through a mesh of merakii (hah!) or, do we have to pay Meraki to use their hotspot stuff ? I've not set up a Mikrotik hotspot before but based on product photos I assume it can connect upstream via wired and wireless (functioning as a client to an AP in an infrastructure network) connections. In both scenarios, the Meraki Mini can function as that upstream connection. Of course, the Mini can function as a hotspot as well. If you have specific feature requirements that would simplify and enhance your deployments, I'm excited to hear about them. We think you're all doing great work! Regards, Chase -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Chase, Thanks for stopping by... got your flack suit on :) I have one set up as a hot spot, it looks like it is either free or paid, not some of both. I do not run dhcp so I had to go into the unit and change the settings giving it a static IP. This was not a problem once I discovered the password was the serial number. It appears to me that these will not allow client traffic until they are authenticated via Meraki dashboard. I don't mind this as long as this is for a hot spot, but I would like to use them at a customer to provide a mesh network within their home or property. For this I want it to be closed, but I don't want the unit to have to call home before it will allow traffic. It would be great to have the dashboard on one of my servers so I could then control them. With this I could see deploying nearly one or two at every customer I provide service to. I think we are maybe looking at these units to do something different than the original intent and that is not as a hot spot, but as a local mesh network. Thanks, Tim Kerns CV-Access, Inc. - Original Message - From: Chase Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] Main Street USA Hi, John asked me to pop in and say hi on behalf of Meraki. He and I go way back. Whatever questions you guys have I'll be happy to answer. A little about me: Been at Meraki since September of last year. Worked at MVN, NCSA, and Mozilla. Volunteered on CUWiN from 2002 to 2006 with Dave, Sascha, Bryan, and others. Been involved in NS4CWN in 2004 and 2006. Rick Smith asks: OK, but can we as wisps use the meraki units on our own ? i.e. can we use it to extend mikrotik hotspots out through a mesh of merakii (hah!) or, do we have to pay Meraki to use their hotspot stuff ? I've not set up a Mikrotik hotspot before but based on product photos I assume it can connect upstream via wired and wireless (functioning as a client to an AP in an infrastructure network) connections. In both scenarios, the Meraki Mini can function as that upstream connection. Of course, the Mini can function as a hotspot as well. If you have specific feature requirements that would simplify and enhance your deployments, I'm excited to hear about them. We think you're all doing great work! Regards, Chase -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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On 4/19/07, Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice to meet you, Chase. Nice to meet you, too! Very simple: I don't want someone else's company profiting from MY network... i.e. If I'm going to build a mesh, no third party's going to be doing the billing for it. Right now, I'd use Mikrotik to build that mesh. I can set it up paid or unpaid, marketing supported via splash pages, or not. BUT, all the $$$ would go into my pocket, I'd pay the town back... How does Meraki fit in there ? Can it act as a dumb repeater, per se ? By dumb repeater, I'll assume you mean connect as a client to a WiFi AP and rebroadcast a SSID. In that case, yes, it can. Note that the upstream node will only see one connection since the Mini NATs downstream traffic by default. Out-of-the-box, the Mini will attempt to connect to our backend services. You're free to block it from doing that at some cost to your network's Minis. It sounds like you have a large investment in Mikrotik equipment and backend services, and that you also strongly prefer your management software. Have you tried a test deployment using Meraki? I'm curious if your preference is based on a review of our software, as well. R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase Phillips Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:24 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Main Street USA Hi, John asked me to pop in and say hi on behalf of Meraki. He and I go way back. Whatever questions you guys have I'll be happy to answer. A little about me: Been at Meraki since September of last year. Worked at MVN, NCSA, and Mozilla. Volunteered on CUWiN from 2002 to 2006 with Dave, Sascha, Bryan, and others. Been involved in NS4CWN in 2004 and 2006. Rick Smith asks: OK, but can we as wisps use the meraki units on our own ? i.e. can we use it to extend mikrotik hotspots out through a mesh of merakii (hah!) or, do we have to pay Meraki to use their hotspot stuff ? I've not set up a Mikrotik hotspot before but based on product photos I assume it can connect upstream via wired and wireless (functioning as a client to an AP in an infrastructure network) connections. In both scenarios, the Meraki Mini can function as that upstream connection. Of course, the Mini can function as a hotspot as well. If you have specific feature requirements that would simplify and enhance your deployments, I'm excited to hear about them. We think you're all doing great work! Regards, Chase -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Hi Chase, Welcome to the list! Thanks for joining us. I guess my biggest questions revolve around the phone home feature. What is that needed? How can we assure our customers that no data mining etc. is taking place? What's the advantage to YOU guys with the phone home function? I'd think it could easily require significant bandwidth to support. Do you guys automatically update the firmware on the units since you know which ones are online and what their job is? Yeah, I'm paranoid. I'm an ISP, it's expected! SOMEONE has to protect my poor customers. hehehehe thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Chase Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] Main Street USA Hi, John asked me to pop in and say hi on behalf of Meraki. He and I go way back. Whatever questions you guys have I'll be happy to answer. A little about me: Been at Meraki since September of last year. Worked at MVN, NCSA, and Mozilla. Volunteered on CUWiN from 2002 to 2006 with Dave, Sascha, Bryan, and others. Been involved in NS4CWN in 2004 and 2006. Rick Smith asks: OK, but can we as wisps use the meraki units on our own ? i.e. can we use it to extend mikrotik hotspots out through a mesh of merakii (hah!) or, do we have to pay Meraki to use their hotspot stuff ? I've not set up a Mikrotik hotspot before but based on product photos I assume it can connect upstream via wired and wireless (functioning as a client to an AP in an infrastructure network) connections. In both scenarios, the Meraki Mini can function as that upstream connection. Of course, the Mini can function as a hotspot as well. If you have specific feature requirements that would simplify and enhance your deployments, I'm excited to hear about them. We think you're all doing great work! Regards, Chase -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Hi Tim, On 4/19/07, Tim Kerns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for stopping by... got your flack suit on :) Heh. I have one set up as a hot spot, it looks like it is either free or paid, not some of both. I do not run dhcp so I had to go into the unit and change the settings giving it a static IP. This was not a problem once I discovered the password was the serial number. Did you consider running static DHCP to serve IPs to the Minis? It sounds like the effort required to reconfigure the Mini to use static IP was not too expensive given you were able to fix the problem successfully. It appears to me that these will not allow client traffic until they are authenticated via Meraki dashboard. I don't mind this as long as this is for a hot spot, but I would like to use them at a customer to provide a mesh network within their home or property. For this I want it to be closed, but I don't want the unit to have to call home before it will allow traffic. Yes, for networks that are configured to require authentication before allowing access, the usernames and passwords are stored in Dashboard for security reasons. Have you considered configuring a closed network with a WEP key? We all know WEP is not as effective as WPA (support for that is upcoming), but WEP encryption is effective for providing deterrent for the layman. In this case, the network will be closed and the Mini will not call home when someone with the correct WEP key connects to it. It would be great to have the dashboard on one of my servers so I could then control them. With this I could see deploying nearly one or two at every customer I provide service to. I think we are maybe looking at these units to do something different than the original intent and that is not as a hot spot, but as a local mesh network. It's great to hear your interest in building a local mesh. While we support a hotspot configuration, we also want the Mini to be used in mesh networks. Our testbed San Francisco network (http://sf.meraki.net/) uses this functionality in high-density urban environments. As you note, Dashboard is only available right now as a hosted service. We have many network operators and thousands of users around the world using the system and we're very confident it can fit your needs as you build and expand your network. We expect your costs to be reduced, as well, since we host and manage the service on your behalf. What sort of control are you looking for over Dashboard that you don't get via our hosted interface? These are great questions, guys! Thanks for your interest! Regards, Chase -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Hi Marlon, On 4/19/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the list! Thanks for joining us. Happy to be here! I remember when John told me about starting WISPA years ago. Before that, I remember all of us at MVN toasting his first wireless link out of the back of his Jeep Cherokee using, what was it John, Broadcom gear? I'm proud to see how far the community has come. I guess my biggest questions revolve around the phone home feature. What is that needed? The Meraki Mini communicates with our backend servers to provide you the capability of managing a large network of Minis via a single interface. They also aggregate usage information to show you how your network is being used and by whom. More information about Dashboard, our web-hosted management interface, can be found at http://meraki.net/products/dashboard/. The Dashboard service is included for free with purchase of a Meraki Mini. How can we assure our customers that no data mining etc. is taking place? We adhere to our privacy policy and are upfront about any changes that are made to it. The policy can be found online at http://meraki.net/legal/privacy/. What's the advantage to YOU guys with the phone home function? I'd think it could easily require significant bandwidth to support. The bandwidth required for a single network is relatively low compared to actual use of the network. Our cost for this service requires us to manage a large number of connections, but we do so because each of our network operators enjoy using Dashboard and the public API to understand how their users are getting value by using their networks. One of our early network operators is Michael Burmeister-Brown. Mike runs NetEquality in Portland, OR, is a Meraki reseller, and even has an enhanced monitoring interface that runs on top of Dashboard. If you run a Meraki network, you can sign up for Mike's monitoring interface which in turn uses our public API. NetEquality is online at http://netequality.org/. Do you guys automatically update the firmware on the units since you know which ones are online and what their job is? Yes, we maintain the software on each unit. This happens without requiring your intervention. Yeah, I'm paranoid. I'm an ISP, it's expected! SOMEONE has to protect my poor customers. hehehehe Of course. We want to protect our customers as well, so it's in our best interest to be upfront about our practices and policies. An example of us providing that sort of transparency is by allowing anyone who purchases a Mini to log in via SSH (the serial number is the default root password) and install their own software on top of our firmware. You can even interact with what's already installed and configured to see for yourself how our system works. Regards, Chase -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Chase, I'm glad to see we've got a Meraki rep out there that can answer questions. Let me just start by saying, I think these things are awesome. Love the dashboard. I do have a question - the FCC approvals list modular certified, but what radio chipset does it use so I can get more powerful FCC approved antennas? 60mW is ok, but I would like to use a 8 or 9dbi rubber duck antenna so I can get more wall penetration. Testing with a 5dbi omni yielded decent results, more solid connections. I have tons of deployments I'm going to start using Meraki instead of Mikrotik due to FCC certification issues. In fact, I'm thinking about using Meraki to replace my existing aging sectorized 2.4ghz 802.11b network. I would like to see some QOS features added to Meraki on the dashboard - or just preset to prioritize based on packet TOS. - Original Message - From: Chase Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:24 PM Subject: [WISPA] Main Street USA Hi, John asked me to pop in and say hi on behalf of Meraki. He and I go way back. Whatever questions you guys have I'll be happy to answer. A little about me: Been at Meraki since September of last year. Worked at MVN, NCSA, and Mozilla. Volunteered on CUWiN from 2002 to 2006 with Dave, Sascha, Bryan, and others. Been involved in NS4CWN in 2004 and 2006. Rick Smith asks: OK, but can we as wisps use the meraki units on our own ? i.e. can we use it to extend mikrotik hotspots out through a mesh of merakii (hah!) or, do we have to pay Meraki to use their hotspot stuff ? I've not set up a Mikrotik hotspot before but based on product photos I assume it can connect upstream via wired and wireless (functioning as a client to an AP in an infrastructure network) connections. In both scenarios, the Meraki Mini can function as that upstream connection. Of course, the Mini can function as a hotspot as well. If you have specific feature requirements that would simplify and enhance your deployments, I'm excited to hear about them. We think you're all doing great work! Regards, Chase -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.4/768 - Release Date: 4/19/2007 5:32 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Main Street USA
Dawn- Google already has a Tropos network they built in Mt View. I have seen and used it. Why would they want to do something with Meraki? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA Marlon, Google invested in Meraki because they want to use these units to build out a mesh network in Mt.View. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA
Chase, Is the billing part already active? How much does Meraki keep as a cut? Thanks, Joe Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Chase Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA Hi Marlon, On 4/19/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the list! Thanks for joining us. Happy to be here! I remember when John told me about starting WISPA years ago. Before that, I remember all of us at MVN toasting his -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA
Hi Dylan, On 4/19/07, Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe I posted the following message before you joined the list. I'm very interested to hear your thoughts on my wishlist. I don't, for the record, object to Meraki making money off of the system, but I *do* need a way to integrate with billing such that my users paying for access through the Canopy system can get free access through Meraki nodes whereever they roam. Feel free to post your response back to the thread. We don't currently have a method to receive a signal from an external source that a particular MAC should be granted access, but I can imagine us putting that in place if there's a great enough demand. It would require Canopy's system to signal ours. Presumably you know whether that's available. -- Forwarded message -- From: Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Apr 18, 2007 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I second the motion for Meraki. I only ordered a single unit to see what it has to offer, as documentation is sparse. It would be great for your application. The Outdoor units are $100, and are just the $50 minis in a plastic enclosure with a small (2 dBi?) rubber ducky and right-angle RP-SMA adapter. The radios are PoE, and there's another hole in the enclosure through which a pigtail (1/2 diameter, as I learned) might be routed for an external antenna. It's all dead easy; just connect every fifth one or so to your primary wireless system. They actually have rudimentary support for connecting upstream through non-mesh wifi, but there would be a performance hit. My problem with the Meraki system is that it does not, at this point, allow you to do a combination of free and paid service (paid services are active now, Doug). It's either or. If it's set to paid, even YOU pay. I'd like to GIVE a Meraki node to every subscriber and offer a limited free service, free extended access for the subscribers hosting the nodes, and paid daily/monthly service for others. People share, so why not help them and, at worst, get a little marketing exposure by making freeloaders look at my logo every time they log on. Regular subscribers would be able to log on anywhere someone else on my network hosted a node. That house just out of range but within view of another house on my network could live (happily, in lieu of alternatives) with wifi service through the neighbor's mesh node. Unfortunately, this isn't possible yet. There's not really a question in here, but I'll affirm the statement. Currently a network can only be configured in one of several ways. We are investigating offering multiple modes but this happens to take lower priority than some features we're already working on (viz. WPA support). If you're inclined to give access to a handful of devices, you can just whitelist the MAC addresses for those devices. When whitelisted devices attempt to access the network, they should bypass the splash/authentication screen. Let me know if you try to set this up and how well it works for your installation. We recognize that by-hand whitelisting won't really work for offering tiered services, though. Regards, Chase -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA
Hi Doug, On 4/19/07, Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad to see we've got a Meraki rep out there that can answer questions. Let me just start by saying, I think these things are awesome. Love the dashboard. Thanks! We've put a lot of time into making it simple, yet effective. Happy to hear it helps. I do have a question - the FCC approvals list modular certified, but what radio chipset does it use so I can get more powerful FCC approved antennas? The radio chipset in the Mini is powered by an Atheros SoC (AR2315). We're certified up to 5dbi, IIRC. 60mW is ok, but I would like to use a 8 or 9dbi rubber duck antenna so I can get more wall penetration. Testing with a 5dbi omni yielded decent results, more solid connections. I have tons of deployments I'm going to start using Meraki instead of Mikrotik due to FCC certification issues. Cool! In fact, I'm thinking about using Meraki to replace my existing aging sectorized 2.4ghz 802.11b network. I would like to see some QOS features added to Meraki on the dashboard - or just preset to prioritize based on packet TOS. I know we don't do QOS right now but we might soon. If that prioritization (based on packet TOS) makes sense for a lot of our customers, we might implement that feature sooner. If you have a Dashboard account, you can submit a more specific feature request to us via our feedback interface. Otherwise, I'll pass along your QOS suggestion. Thanks! Chase -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Hi Joe, On 4/19/07, Joe Laura [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chase, Is the billing part already active? Our billing software is currently in beta. If you have a Dashboard account and network and would like to try it out, feel free to request it be enabled for your networks. We'd love to hear your feedback before we make the service generally available. How much does Meraki keep as a cut? As I mentioned, our billing software is still in beta, so we haven't worked out yet what our system is going to be. If you'd like more specific information, feel free to contact our sales guy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately I can't give more detailed info about that specific area myself because my area is on the feature-set and development side. Regards, Chase -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA
Hello Chase! My questions is simple: Is the outdoor unit going to be out by late April as the website says? Thanks! -RickG On 4/19/07, Chase Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, John asked me to pop in and say hi on behalf of Meraki. He and I go way back. Whatever questions you guys have I'll be happy to answer. A little about me: Been at Meraki since September of last year. Worked at MVN, NCSA, and Mozilla. Volunteered on CUWiN from 2002 to 2006 with Dave, Sascha, Bryan, and others. Been involved in NS4CWN in 2004 and 2006. Rick Smith asks: OK, but can we as wisps use the meraki units on our own ? i.e. can we use it to extend mikrotik hotspots out through a mesh of merakii (hah!) or, do we have to pay Meraki to use their hotspot stuff ? I've not set up a Mikrotik hotspot before but based on product photos I assume it can connect upstream via wired and wireless (functioning as a client to an AP in an infrastructure network) connections. In both scenarios, the Meraki Mini can function as that upstream connection. Of course, the Mini can function as a hotspot as well. If you have specific feature requirements that would simplify and enhance your deployments, I'm excited to hear about them. We think you're all doing great work! Regards, Chase -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA
See the Authorized Resellers, Streakwave and NetEquality. I bought mine from Streakwave when I found that meraki.net was out of stock. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA
10-4. Thanks! On 4/19/07, Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See the Authorized Resellers, Streakwave and NetEquality. I bought mine from Streakwave when I found that meraki.net was out of stock. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Main Street USA
I have one doubt about Meraki, would it support regular wifi clients connecting to the Meraki APs/Repeaters/Gateways? Or all has to be meraki? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA I've only used in small indoor MTU deployments but I like Meraki, indoor and outdoor versions available. Outdoor Mesh router, auto-failover, auto-gateway, built in hotspot, like less than $100. NetEquality.net has some nice pics and also custom antenna attachments, and you can see actual mesh network maps overlaid on google maps. There's an online dashboard included which shows paths, users per AP, logs usage data, even (later) collect money, although I think I will be using Chillispot for that myself. You can plug one into an active internet connection (wireless backhaul, DSL, cable), and it automatically becomes a gateway. You can have one with no connection that's a repeater, and you can sell one to customers without wifi and it becomes a CPE. It's all very simple, and as long as you avoid too many hops (like 3) you should be fine. - Original Message - From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Main Street USA If YOU had to implement a muni wireless 802.11 hotspot to cover Main Street USA, which is about 1 mile long. What equipment would you use? Budget is about $10k. Area is flat, little trees, and only a few tall buildings. Thanks! RickG -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.2/766 - Release Date: 4/18/2007 7:39 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Main Street USA
nice Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA Yes, the whole point of Meraki is to provide access to regular WiFi clients. They also happen to mesh. On 4/18/07, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have one doubt about Meraki, would it support regular wifi clients connecting to the Meraki APs/Repeaters/Gateways? Or all has to be meraki? -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
