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From: "Jay Weekley"
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> I've heard that it's difficult to impossible to get more than one
> Ubiquiti 900 ap on tower regardless o
900ghz? I bet it would be great nlos, you could just burn through the trees
:)
On Aug 22, 2013 1:35 PM, "Fred Goldstein" wrote:
> On 8/22/2013 4:09 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>
> But Mike that is the Rub. All things are never the same. 900 is dirty
> and Susceptible to so much noise and reflectio
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From: "Greg Osborn"
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Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 7:14:57 AM
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To make the ubnt 900 work, Mike, you would need one of those sat di
tennas and smaller radios.
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From: "Erik Anderson"
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Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 9:05:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas
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On 8/22/2013 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> I do not yet know of any source for dual polarity 900 MHz 90* sect
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On 8/22/2013 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> I do not yet know of any source for dual polarity 900 MHz 90* sectors
> that are 18 dB nor any 900 MHz dual polarity CPE ant
On 8/22/2013 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> I do not yet know of any source for dual polarity 900 MHz 90* sectors
> that are 18 dB nor any 900 MHz dual polarity CPE antenna that are 25
> dB of gain.
Agreed, but again, what would be the point? EIRP of 36 - 25 dBi antenna
- 1dB line loss = 11 dBm
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Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:20:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas
Ubnt 900 apparently
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Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:47:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas
It is not the gear that is the issue. It is the regulations, unless your name
is Progeny. The max TPO is 30 dBm and EIRP is 36. So, at 17 dBi antenna means
you should
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900 will move the same amount as data as 2.4, 3.65 and 5 GHz with all
else being the same.
If your throughput is low, you have too little signal for the noise
you're seeing.
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I don't have anything to compare it to other than Tranzeo 900, but I
have had decent results with it. It obviously won't push the
throughput that 5G or even
hursday, August 22, 2013 3:09:36 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas
But Mike that is the Rub. All things are never the same. 900 is dirty
and Susceptible to so much noise and reflection because the signal
does not die as quick. I understand the "Theory" but still
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> 900
On 8/22/2013 4:09 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
But Mike that is the Rub. All things are never the same. 900 is dirty
and Susceptible to so much noise and reflection because the signal
does not die as quick. I understand the "Theory" but still have a
hard time understanding how a slower carrier w
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas
900 will move the same amount as data as 2.4, 3.65 and 5 GHz with all else
being the same.
If your throughput is low, you have too little signal for the noise you&
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas
900 will move the same amount as data as 2.4, 3.65 and 5 GHz with all else
being the same.
If your throughput is low, you have too little signal for the noise you're
seeing.
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98% of our terrain is heavily wooded. Ubiquiti 900 is junk (but their
other products perform quite well when they can be used). Cambium 900
is better. Out limited experience with whitespace has been good. All
of these technologies
From: "Sam Tetherow"
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Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:13:52 PM
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I don't have anything to compare it to other than Tranzeo 900, but I have had
decent results with it. It obviously won&#x
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98% of our terrain is heavily wooded. Ubiquiti 900 is junk (but their
other products
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x27;re 5 dB.
Manufacturers, give us bigger antenna!
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Ubnt 900 apparently has extremely poor nlos for 900 MHz. I've heard
this a handful of people but haven't tried it mys
t 22, 2013 12:16:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas
I have 1 Tower with UBNT 900Mhz and 1 tower with MT and XR9 cards. Both have
~25 clients. The MT tower Has more trees and a Single V-Pol Omni. The UBNT has
a the UBNT 120* sector so it is limited to the direc
a -76 and
>>> wondering why
>>> > it doesn't work. Increase that another 15 dB and try again. The Canopy
>>> will
>>> > work a little better because it requires less signal, but it also has
>>> > nowhere near the same throughput, so they're really apples and oranges.
>>>
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From: "TJ Trout"
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Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:46:35 AM
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Ubnt 900 is a j
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eally apples and oranges.
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From: "Jay Weekley"
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Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:08:54 AM
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I've heard that it's difficult to impossible to get more than one
Ubiqui
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> From: "Fred Goldstein"
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:36:48 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded
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From: "Fred Goldstein"
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Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:36:48 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas
On 8/22/2013 10:14 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas
Well the one I remember is Canopy and Ubnt on the same tower, both
900. The Canopy would rx more than enough to work while Ubnt wouldn't
h
they're really apples and oranges.
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On 8/22/2013 10:14 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Almost every time someone has detailed their installations to me,
there just isn't enough signal to do anything. They're getting a -76
and wondering why it doesn't work. Increase that another 15 dB and try
again. The Canopy will work a little better be
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> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:20:24 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas
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> Ubnt 900
August 22, 2013 9:20:24 AM
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Ubnt 900 apparently has extremely poor nlos for 900 MHz. I've heard
this a handful of people but haven't tried it myself.
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> 98% of our terrain is heavily wooded. Ubiquiti 900 is junk (but their other
> products perform quite well when they can be
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Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 8:49:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas
98% of our terrain is heavily wooded. Ubiquiti 900 is junk (but their other
products perform quite well when they can be used). Cambium 900 is better. Out
limited experience with whitesp
98% of our terrain is heavily wooded. Ubiquiti 900 is junk (but their
other products perform quite well when they can be used). Cambium 900 is
better. Out limited experience with whitespace has been good. All of
these technologies have very low bandwidth.
On 8/22/2013 12:04 AM, Chris Fabien wr
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Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:13 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas
tornadoes.
damned if you do, damned if you don't
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tornadoes.
damned if you do, damned if you don't
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From: Mike Lyon
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Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas
Stihl :)
On A
Stihl :)
On Aug 21, 2013, at 21:04, Chris Fabien wrote:
> What are you guys deploying lately in heavily wooded areas? We've used both
> Cambium pmp320 Wimax and UBNT M900, with mixed results on both. We just put
> up a 130ft tower in a heavily wooded river valley area, leaning towards the
> U
What are you guys deploying lately in heavily wooded areas? We've used both
Cambium pmp320 Wimax and UBNT M900, with mixed results on both. We just put
up a 130ft tower in a heavily wooded river valley area, leaning towards the
UBNT solution but hate putting money into something I'm not really
sati
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