Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-09-06 Thread Tom Sharples
- From: Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas I've heard that it's difficult to impossible to get more than one Ubiquiti 900 ap on tower regardless of channel

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-23 Thread Greg Osborn
: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas With Cambium, we have connections that are stable at -82 dB. We have a backup backhaul for a tower that is about 5 miles. One ridge in between towers must have trees that interfere with freznel zone. Towers are 200'. Originally had a Cambium 900 with 6

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-23 Thread Erik Anderson
On 8/22/2013 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I do not yet know of any source for dual polarity 900 MHz 90* sectors that are 18 dB nor any 900 MHz dual polarity CPE antenna that are 25 dB of gain. Agreed, but again, what would be the point? EIRP of 36 - 25 dBi antenna - 1dB line loss = 11 dBm

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-23 Thread Mike Hammett
...@hocking.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 8:15:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas On 8/22/2013 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I do not yet know of any source for dual polarity 900 MHz 90* sectors that are 18 dB nor any 900 MHz dual polarity CPE

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-23 Thread Erik Anderson
*From: *Erik Anderson erik.ander...@hocking.net *To: *wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Friday, August 23, 2013 8:15:27 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas On 8/22/2013 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I do not yet know of any source for dual polarity 900 MHz 90* sectors

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-23 Thread Mike Hammett
and smaller radios. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Erik Anderson erik.ander...@hocking.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 9:05:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas Yes

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-23 Thread Mike Hammett
://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Greg Osborn gregwosb...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 7:14:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas To make the ubnt 900 work, Mike, you would need one of those sat

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-23 Thread TJ Trout
900ghz? I bet it would be great nlos, you could just burn through the trees :) On Aug 22, 2013 1:35 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: On 8/22/2013 4:09 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: But Mike that is the Rub. All things are never the same. 900 is dirty and Susceptible to so much

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Adam Greene
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas tornadoes. damned if you do, damned if you don't :) - Original Message - From: Mike Lyon mailto:mike.l

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Erik Anderson
98% of our terrain is heavily wooded. Ubiquiti 900 is junk (but their other products perform quite well when they can be used). Cambium 900 is better. Out limited experience with whitespace has been good. All of these technologies have very low bandwidth. On 8/22/2013 12:04 AM, Chris Fabien

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Mike Hammett
wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 8:49:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas 98% of our terrain is heavily wooded. Ubiquiti 900 is junk (but their other products perform quite well when they can be used). Cambium 900 is better. Out limited experience

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Josh Luthman
List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 8:49:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas 98% of our terrain is heavily wooded. Ubiquiti 900 is junk (but their other products perform quite well when they can be used). Cambium 900 is better. Out limited

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Mike Hammett
, August 22, 2013 9:20:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas Ubnt 900 apparently has extremely poor nlos for 900 MHz. I've heard this a handful of people but haven't tried it myself. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Josh Luthman
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:20:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas Ubnt 900 apparently has extremely poor nlos for 900 MHz. I've heard

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Fred Goldstein
On 8/22/2013 10:14 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Almost every time someone has detailed their installations to me, there just isn't enough signal to do anything. They're getting a -76 and wondering why it doesn't work. Increase that another 15 dB and try again. The Canopy will work a little better

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Coenraad Loubser
Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:20:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas Ubnt 900 apparently has

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Mike Hammett
General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:31:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas Well the one I remember is Canopy and Ubnt on the same tower, both 900. The Canopy would rx more than enough to work while Ubnt wouldn't hear the AP at all. Moving

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Robert
...@hocking.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 8:49:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas 98% of our terrain is heavily wooded. Ubiquiti 900 is junk (but their other products perform quite well when they can be used). Cambium 900

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Mike Hammett
http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:36:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas On 8/22/2013 10:14 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Almost every time someone

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Josh Luthman
From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:36:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas On 8/22/2013 10:14 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Almost every time someone has detailed

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Mike Hammett
Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:36:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas On 8/22/2013 10:14 AM, Mike Hammett wrote

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Jay Weekley
: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas 98% of our terrain is heavily wooded. Ubiquiti 900 is junk (but their other products perform quite well when they can be used). Cambium 900 is better. Out limited experience with whitespace has been good. All of these technologies have very low bandwidth

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Mike Hammett
- Original Message - From: Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:08:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas I've heard that it's difficult to impossible to get more than one Ubiquiti

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread TJ Trout
9:20:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas Ubnt 900 apparently has extremely poor nlos for 900 MHz. I've heard this a handful of people but haven't tried it myself. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Steve Barnes
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:20:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas Ubnt 900 apparently

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Mike Hammett
.? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: TJ Trout t...@fdisturlock.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:46:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Chris Fabien
, August 22, 2013 9:20:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas Ubnt 900 apparently has extremely poor nlos for 900 MHz. I've heard this a handful of people but haven't tried it myself. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Mike Hammett
, 2013 12:16:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas I have 1 Tower with UBNT 900Mhz and 1 tower with MT and XR9 cards. Both have ~25 clients. The MT tower Has more trees and a Single V-Pol Omni. The UBNT has a the UBNT 120* sector so it is limited to the direction

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Erik Anderson
...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:20:24 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas Ubnt 900 apparently has extremely poor nlos for 900 MHz. I've heard this a handful of people but haven't tried it myself. Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Mike Hammett
bigger antenna! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Erik Anderson erik.ander...@hocking.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:16:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Blair Davis
Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Erik Anderson" erik.ander...@hocking.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:16:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Sam Tetherow
*From: *Erik Anderson erik.ander...@hocking.net *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Thursday, August 22, 2013 8:49:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas 98% of our terrain is heavily wooded. Ubiquiti 900 is junk (but their other products

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Mike Hammett
: Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:13:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas I don't have anything to compare it to other than Tranzeo 900, but I have had decent results with it. It obviously

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Ryan Spott
:49:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas 98% of our terrain is heavily wooded. Ubiquiti 900 is junk (but their other products perform quite well when they can be used). Cambium 900 is better. Out limited experience with whitespace has been good. All

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Steve Barnes
General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas 900 will move the same amount as data as 2.4, 3.65 and 5 GHz with all else being the same. If your throughput is low, you have too little signal for the noise you're seeing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Mike Hammett
: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas But Mike that is the Rub. All things are never the same. 900 is dirty and Susceptible to so much noise and reflection because the signal does not die as quick. I understand the “Theory” but still have a hard time understanding how a slower carrier

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Fred Goldstein
On 8/22/2013 4:09 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: But Mike that is the Rub. All things are never the same. 900 is dirty and Susceptible to so much noise and reflection because the signal does not die as quick. I understand the Theory but still have a hard time understanding how a slower carrier

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Dan Petermann
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas 900 will move the same amount as data as 2.4, 3.65 and 5 GHz with all else

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Erik Anderson
, August 22, 2013 3:09:36 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas But Mike that is the Rub. All things are never the same. 900 is dirty and Susceptible to so much noise and reflection because the signal does not die as quick. I understand the Theory but still have a hard time

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Scott Reed
List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:13:52 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas I don't have anything to compare it to other than Tranzeo 900, but I have had decent results with it. It obviously won't push the throughput that 5G or even 2.4G

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Scott Reed
: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas 900 will move the same amount as data as 2.4, 3.65 and 5 GHz with all else being the same. If your throughput is low, you have too little signal for the noise you're seeing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-22 Thread Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:47:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas It is not the gear that is the issue. It is the regulations, unless your name is Progeny. The max TPO is 30 dBm and EIRP is 36. So, at 17 dBi antenna means you should only be running about 20

[WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-21 Thread Chris Fabien
What are you guys deploying lately in heavily wooded areas? We've used both Cambium pmp320 Wimax and UBNT M900, with mixed results on both. We just put up a 130ft tower in a heavily wooded river valley area, leaning towards the UBNT solution but hate putting money into something I'm not really

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-21 Thread Mike Lyon
Stihl :) On Aug 21, 2013, at 21:04, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote: What are you guys deploying lately in heavily wooded areas? We've used both Cambium pmp320 Wimax and UBNT M900, with mixed results on both. We just put up a 130ft tower in a heavily wooded river valley area, leaning

Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas

2013-08-21 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
tornadoes. damned if you do, damned if you don't :) - Original Message - From: Mike Lyon To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Latest trend for heavy wooded areas Stihl :) On Aug 21