Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
I meant elliptical or air cable, and don't think they manufacture the Air Heliax cable anymore. After they joined CommScope, they shrunk their product line quite a bit. I put two runs of the elliptical waveguide on a tower I own and for the cost wouldn't put it anywhere I didn't expect to be for a very long time. Dave Hulsebus lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: > 5/8" Heliax is the largest diameter you can use for 5.8 GHz. LDF4.5-50 > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: David Hulsebus > > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:18:39 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards > > > I've put in Heliax 1/2" through 1 1/2" cable for 900 and 2.4 I've had > some success with 5.8GHz at less than 100ft, never tried it any further > either though - it's not within Andrews specs. I believe they provide > attenuation data to 2.4 GHz. For 5.8 GHz I use their eliptical Air > Heliax cable, I first inherited some when we purchased an old fm radio > station tower. I almost got their 900MHz 8ft dish too, but they wanted > as a backup for their new tower site as they use it to transmit their > music to the tower from the station about 20 miles away. > > Never lost a radio due to rf issues. It is more up front but protects > our more expensive transmitters very well and keeps us from climbing > regularly. I'll put Mikrotik boards on a tower or tank with POE and if I > loose one I'm not out thousands. I use external antennas and lightning > arrestors. We also use APC ethernet surge protectors on all gear at a > site, once out of the POE towards coming towards the switch and another > prior to entering the switch port. > > Dave Hulsebus > > Josh Luthman wrote: > >> Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8? Or 900? >> >> On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >> >> >>> The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the >>> LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also. >>> >>> Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a >>> lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by my >>> house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have >>> to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at >>> night now then I use to a few years back... :) >>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser >>> WAVELINC >>> P.O. Box 126 >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>> 419-562-6405 >>> www.wavelinc.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards >>> >>> Augh..4 bucks a foot. >>> >>> What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>> improbable, must be the truth." >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put >>>> >>>> >>> a >>> >>> >>>> 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power >>>> output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having >>>> the >>>> radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground. >>>> BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :( >>>> >>>> So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I >>>> could >>>> have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have >>>> actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route. >>>> >>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>> WAVELINC >>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>> 419-562-6405 >>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mail
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
Don't run them without antenna connected. Very sensitive there. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Andrew Jones Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:41:15 To: ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards Does anyone have an opinion on the mikrotik R5H cards, particularly compared to the ubiquiti cards? lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: > 5/8" Heliax is the largest diameter you can use for 5.8 GHz. LDF4.5-50 > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: David Hulsebus > > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:18:39 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards > > > I've put in Heliax 1/2" through 1 1/2" cable for 900 and 2.4 I've had > some success with 5.8GHz at less than 100ft, never tried it any further > either though - it's not within Andrews specs. I believe they provide > attenuation data to 2.4 GHz. For 5.8 GHz I use their eliptical Air > Heliax cable, I first inherited some when we purchased an old fm radio > station tower. I almost got their 900MHz 8ft dish too, but they wanted > as a backup for their new tower site as they use it to transmit their > music to the tower from the station about 20 miles away. > > Never lost a radio due to rf issues. It is more up front but protects > our more expensive transmitters very well and keeps us from climbing > regularly. I'll put Mikrotik boards on a tower or tank with POE and if I > loose one I'm not out thousands. I use external antennas and lightning > arrestors. We also use APC ethernet surge protectors on all gear at a > site, once out of the POE towards coming towards the switch and another > prior to entering the switch port. > > Dave Hulsebus > > Josh Luthman wrote: > >> Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8? Or 900? >> >> On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >> >> >>> The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the >>> LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also. >>> >>> Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a >>> lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by my >>> house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have >>> to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at >>> night now then I use to a few years back... :) >>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser >>> WAVELINC >>> P.O. Box 126 >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>> 419-562-6405 >>> www.wavelinc.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards >>> >>> Augh..4 bucks a foot. >>> >>> What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>> improbable, must be the truth." >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put >>>> >>>> >>> a >>> >>> >>>> 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power >>>> output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having >>>> the >>>> radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground. >>>> BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :( >>>> >>>> So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I >>>> could >>>> have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have >>>> actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route. >>>> >>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>> WAVELINC >>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>> 419-562-6405 >>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
Does anyone have an opinion on the mikrotik R5H cards, particularly compared to the ubiquiti cards? lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: > 5/8" Heliax is the largest diameter you can use for 5.8 GHz. LDF4.5-50 > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: David Hulsebus > > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:18:39 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards > > > I've put in Heliax 1/2" through 1 1/2" cable for 900 and 2.4 I've had > some success with 5.8GHz at less than 100ft, never tried it any further > either though - it's not within Andrews specs. I believe they provide > attenuation data to 2.4 GHz. For 5.8 GHz I use their eliptical Air > Heliax cable, I first inherited some when we purchased an old fm radio > station tower. I almost got their 900MHz 8ft dish too, but they wanted > as a backup for their new tower site as they use it to transmit their > music to the tower from the station about 20 miles away. > > Never lost a radio due to rf issues. It is more up front but protects > our more expensive transmitters very well and keeps us from climbing > regularly. I'll put Mikrotik boards on a tower or tank with POE and if I > loose one I'm not out thousands. I use external antennas and lightning > arrestors. We also use APC ethernet surge protectors on all gear at a > site, once out of the POE towards coming towards the switch and another > prior to entering the switch port. > > Dave Hulsebus > > Josh Luthman wrote: > >> Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8? Or 900? >> >> On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >> >> >>> The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the >>> LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also. >>> >>> Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a >>> lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by my >>> house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have >>> to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at >>> night now then I use to a few years back... :) >>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser >>> WAVELINC >>> P.O. Box 126 >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>> 419-562-6405 >>> www.wavelinc.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards >>> >>> Augh..4 bucks a foot. >>> >>> What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>> improbable, must be the truth." >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put >>>> >>>> >>> a >>> >>> >>>> 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power >>>> output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having >>>> the >>>> radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground. >>>> BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :( >>>> >>>> So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I >>>> could >>>> have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have >>>> actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route. >>>> >>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>> WAVELINC >>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>> 419-562-6405 >>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards >>>> >>
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
5/8" Heliax is the largest diameter you can use for 5.8 GHz. LDF4.5-50 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: David Hulsebus Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:18:39 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards I've put in Heliax 1/2" through 1 1/2" cable for 900 and 2.4 I've had some success with 5.8GHz at less than 100ft, never tried it any further either though - it's not within Andrews specs. I believe they provide attenuation data to 2.4 GHz. For 5.8 GHz I use their eliptical Air Heliax cable, I first inherited some when we purchased an old fm radio station tower. I almost got their 900MHz 8ft dish too, but they wanted as a backup for their new tower site as they use it to transmit their music to the tower from the station about 20 miles away. Never lost a radio due to rf issues. It is more up front but protects our more expensive transmitters very well and keeps us from climbing regularly. I'll put Mikrotik boards on a tower or tank with POE and if I loose one I'm not out thousands. I use external antennas and lightning arrestors. We also use APC ethernet surge protectors on all gear at a site, once out of the POE towards coming towards the switch and another prior to entering the switch port. Dave Hulsebus Josh Luthman wrote: > Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8? Or 900? > > On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > >> The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the >> LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also. >> >> Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a >> lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by my >> house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have >> to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at >> night now then I use to a few years back... :) >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> WAVELINC >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> 419-562-6405 >> www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards >> >> Augh..4 bucks a foot. >> >> What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> improbable, must be the truth." >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >> >> >>> I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put >>> >> a >> >>> 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power >>> output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having >>> the >>> radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground. >>> BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :( >>> >>> So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I >>> could >>> have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have >>> actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route. >>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser >>> WAVELINC >>> P.O. Box 126 >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>> 419-562-6405 >>> www.wavelinc.com >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards >>> >>> Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier? >>> >>> I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna >>> outside way up there! >>> >>> On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr wrote: >>> >>>> 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo >>>> >>>> >>>>> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal >>>>> power. You can get what you need out of the minipci card. >>>>> >>>>> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you >>>>> shoul
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
I've put in Heliax 1/2" through 1 1/2" cable for 900 and 2.4 I've had some success with 5.8GHz at less than 100ft, never tried it any further either though - it's not within Andrews specs. I believe they provide attenuation data to 2.4 GHz. For 5.8 GHz I use their eliptical Air Heliax cable, I first inherited some when we purchased an old fm radio station tower. I almost got their 900MHz 8ft dish too, but they wanted as a backup for their new tower site as they use it to transmit their music to the tower from the station about 20 miles away. Never lost a radio due to rf issues. It is more up front but protects our more expensive transmitters very well and keeps us from climbing regularly. I'll put Mikrotik boards on a tower or tank with POE and if I loose one I'm not out thousands. I use external antennas and lightning arrestors. We also use APC ethernet surge protectors on all gear at a site, once out of the POE towards coming towards the switch and another prior to entering the switch port. Dave Hulsebus Josh Luthman wrote: > Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8? Or 900? > > On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > >> The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the >> LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also. >> >> Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a >> lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by my >> house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have >> to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at >> night now then I use to a few years back... :) >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> WAVELINC >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> 419-562-6405 >> www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards >> >> Augh..4 bucks a foot. >> >> What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> improbable, must be the truth." >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >> >> >>> I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put >>> >> a >> >>> 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power >>> output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having >>> the >>> radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground. >>> BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :( >>> >>> So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I >>> could >>> have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have >>> actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route. >>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser >>> WAVELINC >>> P.O. Box 126 >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>> 419-562-6405 >>> www.wavelinc.com >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards >>> >>> Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier? >>> >>> I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna >>> outside way up there! >>> >>> On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr wrote: >>> >>>> 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo >>>> >>>> >>>>> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal >>>>> power. You can get what you need out of the minipci card. >>>>> >>>>> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you >>>>> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you >>>>> >> get >> >>>>> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere. Titan Wireless is >>>>> >>> an
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
On the MT customers it's 23dbi panels, way up there. >From this day forward I plan to use only Moto APs. Why do you say it has to be an omni, though? On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Well I am using the 5/8 Heliax on some 5ghz PTP shots only. I have not done > any PTMP stuff with it yet. The loss at 5ghz is about 4.5db/100ft. I know > when I did the PTP shots before when I had the radio's mounted up top I was > using 24db panels and once I switched to the HELIAX and the radio's at the > bottom I changed that side to a 29db 2 foot dish and I actually seen the > signals go up a couple db. I would assume you could use it for PTMP but you > may have to switch to a little higher gain antenna on the client end. But I > would rather have a better client antenna anyway than have to worry about > lightning on the main tower so the benefits outweigh the negatives. > > The nice thing with with backhaul radio's being on the ground is if you ever > maxed out a link and needed to move up to some higher throughput radios all > you gotta do is unscrew the coax at the bottom and plug the new radio's in. > :) > > You could do it with canopy also if you are using the connectorized 2.4ghz > AP and a vertical omni. I know the Canopy radio's are $1500 so just saving > from 1 lightning hit is more than worth it. > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 5:52 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards > > Awesome! What about the XR5? Or any 5.8 card for that matter? > > We can all agree that this is the better option when you're the one out in > the field, but what about financially? I see that this cable is $600 for > 150 feet. At that price if doing it this way saves me from one lightning > strike, saving one radio, I consider it worth it. If I'm about to deploy a > Canopy 2.4 radio, is this a wise option? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > >> The 5/8 heliax will work on any freq up to 6.1ghz is the cut-off. >> http://www.midland.ru/products/andrew/pdf/LDF45.pdf >> >> The loss on 2.4ghz is low enough that you can make up for it will the >> higher >> powered XR2 cards and the better receive sensitivity off the XR2 helps out >> also. The nice thing about the loss on your signals makes the noise floor >> go >> down also. :) >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> WAVELINC >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> 419-562-6405 >> www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 5:23 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards >> >> Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8? Or 900? >> >> On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >> > The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the >> > LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also. >> > >> > Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a >> > lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be > by >> my >> > house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to >> have >> > to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at >> > night now then I use to a few years back... :) >> > >> > Kurt Fankhauser >> > WAVELINC >> > P.O. Box 126 >> > Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> > 419-562-6405 >> > www.wavelinc.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM >> > To: WISPA General List >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards >> > >> > Augh..4 bucks a foot. >> > >> > What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax? >> > >> > Josh Luthman >> > Office: 937-552-2340 >> > Direct: 937-552-2343 &
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
Well I am using the 5/8 Heliax on some 5ghz PTP shots only. I have not done any PTMP stuff with it yet. The loss at 5ghz is about 4.5db/100ft. I know when I did the PTP shots before when I had the radio's mounted up top I was using 24db panels and once I switched to the HELIAX and the radio's at the bottom I changed that side to a 29db 2 foot dish and I actually seen the signals go up a couple db. I would assume you could use it for PTMP but you may have to switch to a little higher gain antenna on the client end. But I would rather have a better client antenna anyway than have to worry about lightning on the main tower so the benefits outweigh the negatives. The nice thing with with backhaul radio's being on the ground is if you ever maxed out a link and needed to move up to some higher throughput radios all you gotta do is unscrew the coax at the bottom and plug the new radio's in. :) You could do it with canopy also if you are using the connectorized 2.4ghz AP and a vertical omni. I know the Canopy radio's are $1500 so just saving from 1 lightning hit is more than worth it. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 5:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards Awesome! What about the XR5? Or any 5.8 card for that matter? We can all agree that this is the better option when you're the one out in the field, but what about financially? I see that this cable is $600 for 150 feet. At that price if doing it this way saves me from one lightning strike, saving one radio, I consider it worth it. If I'm about to deploy a Canopy 2.4 radio, is this a wise option? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > The 5/8 heliax will work on any freq up to 6.1ghz is the cut-off. > http://www.midland.ru/products/andrew/pdf/LDF45.pdf > > The loss on 2.4ghz is low enough that you can make up for it will the > higher > powered XR2 cards and the better receive sensitivity off the XR2 helps out > also. The nice thing about the loss on your signals makes the noise floor > go > down also. :) > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 5:23 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards > > Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8? Or 900? > > On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > > The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the > > LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also. > > > > Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a > > lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by > my > > house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to > have > > to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at > > night now then I use to a few years back... :) > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > WAVELINC > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > 419-562-6405 > > www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards > > > > Augh..4 bucks a foot. > > > > What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax? > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > > improbable, must be the truth." > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: > > > >> I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and > put > > a > >> 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power > >> output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having > >> the > >> radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
Awesome! What about the XR5? Or any 5.8 card for that matter? We can all agree that this is the better option when you're the one out in the field, but what about financially? I see that this cable is $600 for 150 feet. At that price if doing it this way saves me from one lightning strike, saving one radio, I consider it worth it. If I'm about to deploy a Canopy 2.4 radio, is this a wise option? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > The 5/8 heliax will work on any freq up to 6.1ghz is the cut-off. > http://www.midland.ru/products/andrew/pdf/LDF45.pdf > > The loss on 2.4ghz is low enough that you can make up for it will the > higher > powered XR2 cards and the better receive sensitivity off the XR2 helps out > also. The nice thing about the loss on your signals makes the noise floor > go > down also. :) > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 5:23 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards > > Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8? Or 900? > > On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > > The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the > > LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also. > > > > Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a > > lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by > my > > house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to > have > > to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at > > night now then I use to a few years back... :) > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > WAVELINC > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > 419-562-6405 > > www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards > > > > Augh..4 bucks a foot. > > > > What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax? > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > > improbable, must be the truth." > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: > > > >> I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and > put > > a > >> 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power > >> output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having > >> the > >> radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the > ground. > >> BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :( > >> > >> So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I > >> could > >> have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have > >> actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route. > >> > >> Kurt Fankhauser > >> WAVELINC > >> P.O. Box 126 > >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 > >> 419-562-6405 > >> www.wavelinc.com > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman > >> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards > >> > >> Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an > amplifier? > >> > >> I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna > >> outside way up there! > >> > >> On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr wrote: > >> > 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo > >> > > >> >> > >> >> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely > illegal > >> >> power. You can g
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
The 5/8 heliax will work on any freq up to 6.1ghz is the cut-off. http://www.midland.ru/products/andrew/pdf/LDF45.pdf The loss on 2.4ghz is low enough that you can make up for it will the higher powered XR2 cards and the better receive sensitivity off the XR2 helps out also. The nice thing about the loss on your signals makes the noise floor go down also. :) Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 5:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8? Or 900? On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the > LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also. > > Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a > lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by my > house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have > to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at > night now then I use to a few years back... :) > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards > > Augh..4 bucks a foot. > > What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > >> I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put > a >> 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power >> output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having >> the >> radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground. >> BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :( >> >> So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I >> could >> have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have >> actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route. >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> WAVELINC >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> 419-562-6405 >> www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards >> >> Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier? >> >> I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna >> outside way up there! >> >> On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr wrote: >> > 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo >> > >> >> >> >> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal >> >> power. You can get what you need out of the minipci card. >> >> >> >> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you >> >> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you > get >> >> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere. Titan Wireless is >> an >> >> excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with. >> >> >> > >> > I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we > have >> so >> > much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp, >> since >> > its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios >> in >> > the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20 >> trips >> > up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or >> > 500mw amp. >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> >> > -
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
Does that work with 2.4 or 5.8? Or 900? On 6/19/09, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > The 5/8 heliax is cheaper and has slightly less loss. I don't use the > LMR-900 anymore as it weighs twice as much also. > > Here is a picture of what you could do with the Heliax :) I just had a > lightning storm role by this tower last night which just happens to be by my > house. Needless to say I slept like a baby knowing I was not going to have > to replace any equipment from lightning damage. I sleep a lot better at > night now then I use to a few years back... :) > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:48 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards > > Augh..4 bucks a foot. > > What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > >> I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put > a >> 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power >> output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having >> the >> radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground. >> BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :( >> >> So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I >> could >> have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have >> actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route. >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> WAVELINC >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> 419-562-6405 >> www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards >> >> Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier? >> >> I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna >> outside way up there! >> >> On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr wrote: >> > 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo >> > >> >> >> >> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal >> >> power. You can get what you need out of the minipci card. >> >> >> >> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you >> >> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you > get >> >> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere. Titan Wireless is >> an >> >> excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with. >> >> >> > >> > I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we > have >> so >> > much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp, >> since >> > its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios >> in >> > the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20 >> trips >> > up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or >> > 500mw amp. >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > >> >> >> -- >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> improbable, must be the truth." &g
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Jeremy, Since you mention StarOS, I have to ask: why not just use the Lucaya gear? If you skip the amps, the X2000 would let your climber take up a replacement radio and change two RF cables and one ethernet cable. (for two radios) Just curious why you seem to reject the StarOS preferred hardware? thanks -John On Jun 19, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: > I've never delved into this arena before, so I need a bit of guidance. > What is the hot card for putting in a StarOS/Mikrotik based access > point? Should I just get the low power unit off of Routerboard.com? I > plan to run towertop amps, so a low power card would be sufficient. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Do the link budgets including cable loss. XR cards are 600mW cards, so more output than the amps originally proposed. I have XR cards on the ground, 150' of LMR600 to antennae at the top and the links all work as predicted. I just can't see putting any kind of amp at the top when you can do it all with the card and the proper cable. It is all in the planning. Josh Luthman wrote: > David, > > Compex aka r52(h) and xr5 are atheros 5413 for sure. > > But the xr5 well outperforms like you said - more so to do with the > "wireless stuff" in the card I am sure. > > On 6/19/09, David E. Smith wrote: > >> Scott Carullo wrote: >> >>> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal >>> power. You can get what you need out of the minipci card. >>> >> This! In the past few months, we've replaced a couple towers with >> Mikrotik hardware and software. A few of our towers were amped - I'd >> turn down the power on the radio to stay legal, performance would be >> okay. I'd make the tower guys pull the amp (which involves a climb, so >> they hate me for it...), turn the radio power back up, and get better >> performance, better signal from the customers, better noise floor. >> Granted, most of the amps are several years old, and new stuff may work >> better, but "modern" radio cards can put out enough power that you >> likely won't need the amp, and it may even make things worse. >> >> We've been using Mikrotik's R52 and R52H cards (depending on how much >> power we need), though recently we tried a Ubiquiti XR2 for one of our >> 2.4GHz towers and have been thoroughly impressed. It's an expensive >> card, relatively speaking (more than double the cost of the R52H), and >> we have to turn the power down to stay legal, but it seems to have even >> better rx sensitivity than the R52H (which supposedly is the same chipset). >> >> If you're in the midwest US, www.jeffcosoho.com/catalog will have most >> of what you need, and they offer a discount to WISPA members. >> >> David Smith >> MVN.net >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.372 / Virus Database: 270.12.80/2187 - Release Date: 06/19/09 > 06:53:00 > > -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
Does the XR2/5 work in a WRAP or WAR or both? -RickG On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I like Ubnt cards - the xr2 and xr5. I think it is a bit more then > the compex cards but well worth it. > > On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr wrote: > > I've never delved into this arena before, so I need a bit of guidance. > > What is the hot card for putting in a StarOS/Mikrotik based access > > point? Should I just get the low power unit off of Routerboard.com? I > > plan to run towertop amps, so a low power card would be sufficient. > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
Augh..4 bucks a foot. What's the difference between LMR900 and 5/8 heliax? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put a > 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power > output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having > the > radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground. > BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :( > > So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I > could > have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have > actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route. > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards > > Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier? > > I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna > outside way up there! > > On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr wrote: > > 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo > > > >> > >> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal > >> power. You can get what you need out of the minipci card. > >> > >> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you > >> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get > >> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere. Titan Wireless is > an > >> excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with. > >> > > > > I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we have > so > > much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp, > since > > its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios > in > > the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20 > trips > > up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or > > 500mw amp. > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
I have done this with LMR400, I ran 150 foot of LMR400 up a tower and put a 250mw amp at the top. With the choosen antenna I was right at 36db power output. It actually worked very well. Just as good or better than having the radio's at the top. It was a cheap way to put your radio's on the ground. BUT the first time the site got a lightning hit again I was screwed :( So I quickly figured out the cost of replacing amps after 1 hit that I could have spent the extra money on the LMR900 or 5/8 HELIAX and I would have actually come out cheaper by not going the amped route. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier? I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna outside way up there! On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr wrote: > 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo > >> >> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal >> power. You can get what you need out of the minipci card. >> >> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you >> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get >> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere. Titan Wireless is an >> excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with. >> > > I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we have so > much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp, since > its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios in > the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20 trips > up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or > 500mw amp. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
David, Compex aka r52(h) and xr5 are atheros 5413 for sure. But the xr5 well outperforms like you said - more so to do with the "wireless stuff" in the card I am sure. On 6/19/09, David E. Smith wrote: > Scott Carullo wrote: >> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal >> power. You can get what you need out of the minipci card. > > This! In the past few months, we've replaced a couple towers with > Mikrotik hardware and software. A few of our towers were amped - I'd > turn down the power on the radio to stay legal, performance would be > okay. I'd make the tower guys pull the amp (which involves a climb, so > they hate me for it...), turn the radio power back up, and get better > performance, better signal from the customers, better noise floor. > Granted, most of the amps are several years old, and new stuff may work > better, but "modern" radio cards can put out enough power that you > likely won't need the amp, and it may even make things worse. > > We've been using Mikrotik's R52 and R52H cards (depending on how much > power we need), though recently we tried a Ubiquiti XR2 for one of our > 2.4GHz towers and have been thoroughly impressed. It's an expensive > card, relatively speaking (more than double the cost of the R52H), and > we have to turn the power down to stay legal, but it seems to have even > better rx sensitivity than the R52H (which supposedly is the same chipset). > > If you're in the midwest US, www.jeffcosoho.com/catalog will have most > of what you need, and they offer a discount to WISPA members. > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
Scott Carullo wrote: > My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal > power. You can get what you need out of the minipci card. This! In the past few months, we've replaced a couple towers with Mikrotik hardware and software. A few of our towers were amped - I'd turn down the power on the radio to stay legal, performance would be okay. I'd make the tower guys pull the amp (which involves a climb, so they hate me for it...), turn the radio power back up, and get better performance, better signal from the customers, better noise floor. Granted, most of the amps are several years old, and new stuff may work better, but "modern" radio cards can put out enough power that you likely won't need the amp, and it may even make things worse. We've been using Mikrotik's R52 and R52H cards (depending on how much power we need), though recently we tried a Ubiquiti XR2 for one of our 2.4GHz towers and have been thoroughly impressed. It's an expensive card, relatively speaking (more than double the cost of the R52H), and we have to turn the power down to stay legal, but it seems to have even better rx sensitivity than the R52H (which supposedly is the same chipset). If you're in the midwest US, www.jeffcosoho.com/catalog will have most of what you need, and they offer a discount to WISPA members. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
2009/6/19 Kurt Fankhauser : > Uh, I hate to burst your bubble but the tower top amps WILL take a hit no > better than a SBC mounted up-top. The only way around it is to run 5/8 > heliax up the tower and put an XR2 radio at the bottom behind a polyphaser. Yes, I'm aware, and I've built it both ways in the past. I will also be at least a day away from each of these sites, and want to simplify the upkeep. I'll have someone on the ground who can troubleshoot the boards and radio cards, but will not climb. The tower labour will be mostly unskilled, and swapping three amps with coax connections will be easier for them. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
Burst and busted at the same time that is :) Need Dew... On 6/19/09, Josh Luthman wrote: > Bubble bursted, nevermind. > > On 6/19/09, Josh Luthman wrote: >> Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier? >> >> I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna >> outside way up there! >> >> On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr wrote: >>> 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo >>> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal power. You can get what you need out of the minipci card. You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere. Titan Wireless is an excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with. >>> >>> I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we >>> have >>> so >>> much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp, >>> since >>> its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios >>> in >>> the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20 >>> trips >>> up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or >>> 500mw amp. >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> -- >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> improbable, must be the truth." >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
Bubble bursted, nevermind. On 6/19/09, Josh Luthman wrote: > Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier? > > I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna > outside way up there! > > On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr wrote: >> 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo >> >>> >>> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal >>> power. You can get what you need out of the minipci card. >>> >>> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you >>> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get >>> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere. Titan Wireless is >>> an >>> excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with. >>> >> >> I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we have >> so >> much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp, >> since >> its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios >> in >> the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20 >> trips >> up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or >> 500mw amp. >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
Is that how we can get 2.4 and 5.8 gear on the ground, with an amplifier? I would love having the gear inside and just coax and amp and antenna outside way up there! On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr wrote: > 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo > >> >> My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal >> power. You can get what you need out of the minipci card. >> >> You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you >> should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get >> them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere. Titan Wireless is an >> excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with. >> > > I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we have so > much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp, since > its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios in > the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20 trips > up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or > 500mw amp. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
Uh, I hate to burst your bubble but the tower top amps WILL take a hit no better than a SBC mounted up-top. The only way around it is to run 5/8 heliax up the tower and put an XR2 radio at the bottom behind a polyphaser. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:59 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards 2009/6/19 Scott Carullo > > My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal > power. You can get what you need out of the minipci card. > > You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you > should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get > them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere. Titan Wireless is an > excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with. > I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we have so much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp, since its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios in the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20 trips up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or 500mw amp. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
2009/6/19 Scott Carullo > > My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal > power. You can get what you need out of the minipci card. > > You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you > should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get > them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere. Titan Wireless is an > excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with. > I would like to ditch the amps, and run the radios tower-top, but we have so much lightning here. I'd like to limit towertop equipment to an amp, since its easy to troubleshoot and replace. This will let me locate the radios in the shack at the base, and troubleshoot easily without a climb, or 20 trips up and down replacing one bit at a time. I'm only planning on a 250mw or 500mw amp. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
My first advice is ditch the amp, not necessary and most likely illegal power. You can get what you need out of the minipci card. You will want to purchase from US distributor, search for RB411 and you should have plenty of options, best one probably close to you so you get them quickly prices are roughly the same everywhere. Titan Wireless is an excellent source of Mikrotik Product and they are good to work with. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message > From: "Jeremy Parr" > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:42 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards > > I've never delved into this arena before, so I need a bit of guidance. > What is the hot card for putting in a StarOS/Mikrotik based access > point? Should I just get the low power unit off of Routerboard.com? I > plan to run towertop amps, so a low power card would be sufficient. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
I like Ubnt cards - the xr2 and xr5. I think it is a bit more then the compex cards but well worth it. On 6/19/09, Jeremy Parr wrote: > I've never delved into this arena before, so I need a bit of guidance. > What is the hot card for putting in a StarOS/Mikrotik based access > point? Should I just get the low power unit off of Routerboard.com? I > plan to run towertop amps, so a low power card would be sufficient. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MiniPCI Radio Cards
I've never delved into this arena before, so I need a bit of guidance. What is the hot card for putting in a StarOS/Mikrotik based access point? Should I just get the low power unit off of Routerboard.com? I plan to run towertop amps, so a low power card would be sufficient. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
