: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
I apologize for duplicate posting, but it was suggested I rename the subject of
my note below so that it fall under this related subject thread.
Re: Cisco vlan select method – I note to be discovered by clients
: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV
support for instructors.
** **
Eric,
** **
I haven't sniffed the traffic, but I don't see anything that indicates the
actual data streams are multicast, and I don't think I'd expect it to be
given it's point-to-point
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
I apologize for duplicate posting, but it was suggested I rename the subject of
my note below so that it fall under this related subject thread.
Re: Cisco vlan select method – I note
] on behalf of Jeffrey Sessler
[j...@scrippscollege.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 5:13 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
I posted this before, but here is the Cisco Apple Bonjour Deployment Guide
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
I have read this, and as well done of a document that it is, I'd still prefer
not to have to adopt a new architecture and pre-share based network for one-off
devices
] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Sessler
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 4:13 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
I posted this before, but here is the Cisco Apple Bonjour Deployment Guide.
It contains
, July 10, 2012 3:28 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
Eric,
I haven't sniffed the traffic, but I don't see anything that indicates the
actual data streams are multicast, and I don't think I'd
I apologize for duplicate posting, but it was suggested I rename the subject of
my note below so that it fall under this related subject thread.
Re: Cisco vlan select method – I note to be discovered by clients, “This means
the Apple TV should be forced to announce itself by being put to
[curtis.k.lar...@utah.edu]
Received: Thursday, 05 Jul 2012, 5:02pm
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it
was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
You should add fast-roaming
I know we have moved on to just talking about the petition but here is a
response from an Apple engineer regarding the original issue.
John,
Please don't post my name directly to the list, but any
AppleCare case numbers and RADAR feature request numbers would be helpful.
] On Behalf Of John Kaftan
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:43 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was
coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
I know we have moved on to just talking about the petition but here is a
response
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Curtis K. Larsen [
curtis.k.lar...@utah.edu]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:01 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You
knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
You should add
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike King
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 6:47 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it
was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
One more thing.
I think use
] On Behalf Of Bruce Boardman
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 9:25 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was
coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
I think it's a good idea to reach out to Apple, even if ignored, for two
reasons
] on behalf of Johnson, Neil M
[neil-john...@uiowa.edu]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:37 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it
was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
I'm a little fuzzy
Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew
it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
You should add fast-roaming to the list. No Mac or iOS device supports
fast roaming with Opportunistic Key Caching. They can do PMK Sticky,
but it is not the same as OKC. With Sticky
-LAN@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Kellogg, Brian D.
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 9:27 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew
it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
I agree although I expect
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it
was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
Apple either does not care or they have not gotten the message. There is no
way to know for sure which
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it
was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
I've added a section on solution criteria:
Whereas, we
:32 AM
To:
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it
was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors
: [WIRELESS-LAN] You
knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
How about:
Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are receiving
numerous requests from our faculty, staff, and students for the ability to
utilize Airplay technology in classrooms
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for
instructors.
To: WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu
Ours completely denied the existence of a possible issue. Of course, you could
see in his eyes that his answer was somewhat forced...
-- Andy Voelker
Manager of Student
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
Has anyone tried not supporting Bonjour and directing users who complain to
Apple? Perhaps if we all did that it would get Apple's attention.
John Kaftan
Infrastructure Manager
Utica College
- Reply
Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2012 8:23 am
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for
instructors.
To: WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu
Ours completely denied the existence of a possible issue. Of course, you could
see in his eyes that his answer was somewhat forced
: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
...or somehow have everyone on the Educause list sign a petition that gets
presented to Apple- if you can gain entry into the Bubble of Blissful
Perfection.
From: The EDUCAUSE
On 7/5/2012 11:11 AM, Peter P Morrissey wrote:
I doubt that Apple has any clue that Educause even exists.
Pete Morrissey
It doesn't show up in Bonjour, and doesn't answer multicast DNS requests, so
no, it
can't possibly exist :)
Jeff
**
Participation and subscription information
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
...or somehow have everyone on the Educause list sign a petition that gets
presented to Apple- if you can gain entry into the Bubble of Blissful
Perfection
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
Or maybe a well known blogger could write an article about it…. :-)
-Neil
--
Neil Johnson
Network Engineer
The University of Iowa
Phone: 319 384-0938
Fax: 319 335-2951
Mobile: 319 540-2081
E
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:05 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
You mean a good-looking, man-of-action blogger? Hmmm. Let me call the agency,
see if they have anyone on staff.
I
1:05 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV
support for instructors.
You mean a good-looking, man-of-action blogger? Hmmm. Let me call the
agency, see if they have anyone on staff.
I was thinking more like a couple
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Johnson, Neil M
[neil-john...@uiowa.edu]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:09 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
How is this for a start :-)
Whereas, we the undersigned
-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
Whereas, we the undersigned academic and research institutions are
receiving numerous requests
, 2012 2:23 PM
To:
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
Whereas, we the undersigned
, 2012 3:37 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was
coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics things to request from Apple, but here is a
first pass):
Whereas, we
: Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:37 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it
was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.)
I'm a little fuzzy on the specifics things to request from Apple, but here is
a first pass
04, 2012 6:16 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV
support for instructors.
We are up against the same issues. I've been playing around with Aerohive
APs to get the small one off solutions for a few classrooms around campus
On 7/4/2012 2:48 PM, Frank Bulk wrote:
Ok, I'm confused. If you turn the AP's radios off, how do the wireless
clients participate in Airplay?
Most Apple TVs can do wired ethernet, which is a good thing.
Many MacOS/iOS devices they want to use to project to them can not do
wired ethernet.
Mike,
For a one off and minimal investment, I would bring up an Open-WRT or DDRT AP
(or any affordable AP that is capable of doing WPA2-enterprise) independent
from your regular infrastructure and make people join a dedicated subnet for
that room (use NAT, and WPA2-enterprise).
Connect the
-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hanset, Philippe C
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 10:03 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
What if you did something with DNS service discovery and setup dns records
for appletv? We did this for airprint and doing a few quick google
searches it looks like it may be possible with apple tv.
http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/1722/contributions/Bonjour%20Device%20Discovery.pdf
Of Mike King
Sent: 03 July 2012 15:35
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
I voiced that solution and was shot down.
If I do a separate SSID, on the same VLAN as the Apple TV, I'd still have to
turn
Mike,
Why would you have to turn Multicast on?
(I don't know how Cisco controllers operate by default, I have to admit)
If the subnet is small enough leave it without multicast turned on (you don't
need IGMP
on your switches either)
The multicast traffic will fallback to broadcast and Bonjour
[mailto:cl.pr...@avans.nl]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:32 PM
Subject: Betr.: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV
support for instructors.
Jesse,
Nice one! Looks way more promising to me than tinkering with all kinds of mcast
setups on production (wlan) vlans
Question
michael.goe...@wmich.edu
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:09:16 -0500
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV
support for instructors
21, 2012 5:21 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV
support for instructors.
Had an Apple rep in recently and he stated Apple (Bonjour) has come a
long way since Appletalk on their network protocols. I wanted
Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:14 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
Where did you get
Constituent Group Listserv
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:14:06 +
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV
support for instructors.
Where did you get that 12 client number??
At Liberty University, we
: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV
support for instructors.
Wanted to pass this on - it's not published yet on the Cisco site. It's an
extensive Bonjour deployment guide for their controllers.
Jeff
On Thursday, February 23, 2012 at 10:37 AM, in message
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Kellogg, Brian D.
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:21 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
Had an Apple rep in recently and he stated Apple (Bonjour) has come a long way
since
On 2/22/2012 10:07 AM, Fred Mowchan wrote:
Loved the comment on ATK, IPX, Neteui. Like Yogi Berra said this is
like deja vu all over again!
Yes, routing breaks traditional AT, IPX, NetBEUI, etc.
So what clown woke up and said Hey! Let's just multicast it, that's
routable...
Jeff
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Brian Helman
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:54 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
Agreed. We are blocking bonjour between buildings, but not within. I
Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Goebel
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:09 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
Has anyone
: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
Has anyone actually tracked how much bandwidth/usage Bonjour coughs up
across their wlan infrastructure? I haven't analyzed it, and while it
could be bandwidth hungry, it appears to me that will be more with
device
] On Behalf Of Mike Goebel
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:08 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV
support for instructors.
I assumed with mDNS it didn't just hit it's local subnet.
I've been on the nightmare side of getting
Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Brian Helman
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:54 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV
support for instructors.
Agreed. We are blocking bonjour between
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:09
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
Has anyone actually tracked how much bandwidth/usage Bonjour coughs up
across their wlan infrastructure? I haven't analyzed
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On 2/22/2012 3:38 PM, Julian Y Koh wrote:
On Wed Feb 22 2012 09:24:46 Central Time, Jeff Kell wrote:
Yes, routing breaks traditional AT, IPX, NetBEUI, etc.
AppleTalk and IPX at least are totally routable protocols. :)
Well, you and I know
-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:09:16 -0500
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV
support for instructors.
Has anyone actually tracked how much bandwidth/usage Bonjour coughs up
across their wlan
of will. Vincent
T. Lombardi
From:Cappalli, Tim G @ LSC-ITS tim.cappa...@lsc.vsc.edu
To:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Date:02/22/2012 08:38 AM
Subject:Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV
support for instructors.
Sent by:The EDUCAUSE
: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Joel Coehoorn
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:21 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors
On 2/22/2012 9:21 PM, Joel Coehoorn wrote:
I just heard an interesting solution for this. Since AppleTV is
already consumer tech and does not need Internet (their classroom use is
pretty much just AirPlay), the person went out and bought a cheap $30
wireless router off the shelf at Walmart for
It looks like an AppleTV2 running the latest code advertises _airplay._tcp and
_raop._tcp.
Here are some additional details using dns-sd on a mac running OS X 10.7. The
AppleTV is named te-206d-atv1 and the mac address is partially obfuscated to
XX:XX:DA:09:XX:XX-
~$ dns-sd -B _airplay._tcp
We have had similar requests / queries about this in particular, as well as
other
general wireless server roles for devices (e.g., printers, projectors).
We also suppress multicast/broadcast, and are not equipped for wireless
servers.
I shudder to think if Airplay was default open, just how
...@utc.edu]
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:34 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support
for instructors.
We have had similar requests / queries about this in particular, as well as
other
general wireless server roles
York College is installing an AppleTV in every networked classroom over the
next year. This is in support of a 1:1 iPod Touch program we use. We're
tiny relative to U of Iowa, but if any of this helps, here's how we're
making it happen:
Classroom buildings are set so that users in the same
I forgot to add background reading for anyone else crazy enough to try to get
this working:
Info on Wide Area Bonjour and setup instructions (OS X Server centric
instructions):
http://www.afp548.com/article.php?story=20090205204942121
http://www.afp548.com/article.php?story=20090225001154457
If we are going to do this, implementing static wide area bonjour entries
seems the way to go.
Thanks for the references, but the one thing I can't find is the format
for the SRV and TXT records for an Apple TV. If anyone has those I'd be
grateful for them, I have an Apple TV device in my hands
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